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@T Lego, just to confirm what @nerdsforprez said, my post want meant as criticism of your build, i dont have the right to, considering your skills far surpass mine from the looks of it. Just from a personal point of view, i dont like the mini fake engine, it is the wrong paradigm (camshaft vs crankshaft), and as such loses it educational function, and isnt realistic. That doesnt mean that there is no place for it, as sets like 42093, every single brilliant TC18 entry, and MOCs like this would be either impossible or severely compromised by using the stock lego engine parts. Personally i would really like some updated engine parts from lego (more crank parts for proper boxer or cross plane cranks, maybe 120 deg angles for proper V6/V12?), but im not holding my breath. Generally speaking i think that sets like 42083 end up compromised worse and for other reasons before we get to the engine, and while we've seen new gearbox parts, wheel, even disc brakes introduced, i think TLC is of the opinion that the current engine parts suffice, they fit in everything from very small to very large sets to create some illusions of an engine, and i guess that is what we will have to settle for.

@agrof It does indeed look a tad bloated in the belly, but that front shot makes it look evil, like it is about to eat everything ahead of it alive. I think the promotional shots with the bearded motorcycle guy are hilariously on point, the "subtle" duc helmet and motor jacket in the background. I think it is quite interesting that TLC is taking smaller sets like these and also targetting the Adult, non-AFOL market like they do with the UCS cars, i guess it worked well enough getting the Star Wars guys onto plastic crack, maybe the car/bike guys will also surrender to the danes

Amazing work, i wouldnt be surprised at all if the official lambo wont quite reach the bar you set with this moc. That said, there is one minor nit i have to pick, i simply dont like the mini fake engine, and especially in a car this scale, i dont think they make sense at all. I realize it might be a necessity due to including complicated suspension and gearboxes and needing the space, but both in terms of scale and accuracy, i think the mini-fake engine is a disservice to the car. (feel free to completely ignore me though, im weirdly obsessed with engine accuracy, and ranting about the mini-fake engine has to be a decent fraction of my posts on this forum by now, in the end it comes down to personal taste)

That was a serious worry for me on the Bugatti, it has two bands in the shifter mechanism burried deep in the bowels of the car, i think mine are still OK, but i dread having to swap those out.

Agreed, but i think that the product already is an excellent job, compared to the BMW bike this one is much better in the looks department. As for italian style, i kind of agree, but compared to the other competitors duc racing bikes always seemed a bit more of a blunt instrument rather then an elegant solution to going round a tracks (might have to do something with their motoGP bikes being fast on straights and nowhere in the corners when i watched the races) And yeah, all these new motorbike parts are mouthwattering, makes me wonder how good my modded 42036 will end up looking with these new parts.

Hmm, having the engine drive the gearbox through a rubber band seems like a sub par solution to me, but i guess something has to give, squeezing a V4 and a gearbox in there. Modding is pretty much an essential part of AFOL-dom i feel, the only technic set i currently have built-up that isnt substantially modded is the Chiron, because i havent gotten around to the pimp-my-bugatti build, and even that has minor tweaks.

Patchy bodywork is often easily fixed, especially in red, considering pretty much every part ever is available in red. Im also quite excited about the posibilities these new parts add to motorcycle modding/mocing, ill definitely order a spare rear tyre for my 42036

in one word: WOW Im really blown away by this set, im not a huuuge motorcycle nut, but i do really like them, Ducs especially. And given recent licensed efforts i was kind of affraid that this set would fall flat as little more then a pimped 42036 (which i already have), instead lego blows my socks off with new shocks, dual front brakes, a bespoke rear tyre, a two speed gearbox with proper foot adjuster and just allround awesome looks. I think this is the best licensed set ive seen out of TLGs technic department in a loooooong time, given that i dont expect sagging suspension of excessive gearbox slack in a set this size.

Looks very good, the rear is undeniably lamborghini, and i agree with @super-jaschka, all these entries are so damn good, eurobricks is putting TLG to shame with 42093 and 42098

A V12 in current parts should be fine in a 1:8 scale car, remember that the same engine was also in the 599 and enzo, both of which were 1:10. And while i agree that more and new engine pieces (proper crank/conrods for true boxers!) would be welcome, the current cylinders are already too small in relation to the scale. The GT3RS, which in real life boasts a 4 litre engine, only has a 1.6 litre in lego form, when adjusted for scale. They Chiron comes out to 4.3 litres for its W16, slightly over half the true 8.0 litre capacity. As for packing stuff into a set (which is a more relevant concern then proper stroke volume scaling, i do realize that), i think the focus should be more on more realistic and compact gearboxes. In real car the gearbox is less then half the size of the engine, in lego form it ends up at least twice the size of the engine. the 20z clutch is a good step, but i think with for instance a 24 tooth clutch and some extra gizmos around the driving rings/selectors, a much more compact gearbox should be possible.

Sadly that doesnt fix the problem, i swapped out those pins while building it, and while the car does rebound, it doesnt go back to proper ride height, it ends up sitting somewhere in the middle, and needs a little pick-me-up to go back to its proper height

Well, it has a pressure gauge, so that implies nitrous :P would also explain the need for a massive wing and wheelie bar :P

Yeeeeeee-haa

That is entirely true, but expecting that kind of realism from a lego set is setting yourself up for failure. The 911 GT3RS has different sized of tire front and back (325/30R21 vs 265/35R20, so even different wheel diameters), same for the Chiron (355/25R21 vs 285/30R20), and those are the most complex and detailed cars we've seen from lego, yet dont get properly dimensioned tyres, why would a €99 be any better?

those 49.5x20 tyres might be a good match for the fronts for a proper modded high power muscle case look, tyre wise. But the wheels probably wont look right i think, with the low profile rubber around the rear ones

Personally i think there are some small sets which are excellent as well, 42007, 42036 and 42063 all perfectly capture the essence and working of a motorbike, and 42063 has shaftdrive and telelever front suspension rather then the usual telescopic. 42075 also is a very good set imho, not educational for AFOLs, but for kids it pretty much has every element you have in a car, piston engine, live rear axle with suspension and diff etc..

Amazing build! i happen to love the 355, and this is an amazing rendition, especially given the scale and timespan it was designed in.

Not to add fuel to the fire any more then there already is, but there is validity to both sides. Per piece lego is probably ever cheaper then it ever was, and with decent sales available being able to buy a set like 42110 for €110, or 42082 for €150 is just absolutely mindblowing partcount wise, and the fact that we are getting all these huge sets is cool as well. two/three decades ago we got 1 set per year which would have been AFOL-worthy, these days its a lot more. On the other side, that increased part count doesnt always actually add something of intrinsic value to the design, lego star wars is especially bad for this imho, we've seen the same space ship design being done again and again, but these days part counts are twice or thrice that of the early years, and while the 99-00 sets certainly could use a lot of improvement, comparing a set sold today with a 03-05 set, we get many more parts, and a much higher price, but not exactly a lot of added detail. So if we ignore part counts, we are now paying twice the price for a decent looking A-wing for instance. I think us AFOLs need to keep remembering that we arent the target market for most of lego's product, it is primarily a kids toy, and especially when it comes to technic, i dont think we've seen anything like the modulars, which is a pure AFOL targetted lineup, we get the basic technic stuff targetted at kids/teenagers, and the UCS cars which are more targetted at car guys who are blown away by anything technic, which i think makes sense, seeing how in my experience, the technic theme is a relatively small part of AFOL-dom Back to the product, ive been watching some roadkill episodes, and there is tons of cool stuff we can do with a charger, either inspired by that show, or by for instance the dukes of hazard, i think once you look past the F&F branding, and just take this set as a decent base model of a charger to modify and customise (which is what car culture is about most of the time anyway), it is a pretty cool starting point

@Erik Leppen I can understand the criticisms of the looks, that fact that the entire sideprofile is missing the subtle curves really makes it hard to see a proper charger in there. I think maybe the curved panels might have made for a better hood curve, but there is no right way to do the edge/side of the car. Given the limitations of the set in terms of parts and budget, i think they did well though, comparing this to 42077, 42041's B-model, i actually am positively surprised that we get a set with these looks, a license and decent features for only €99. Comparing it to the bugatti and porsche it is obvious that working in this scale with licensed subjects makes for some serious compromises, but to me this looks good enough that i will pick it up and screw around with it a bit. Im not a huge musclecar fan, but watching roadkill has given me a decent amount of appreciation for things like a 70s charger. @Gray Gear I think that point has been passed long ago, AFOLs dont have to deal with parts budgets, marketability, illegal building techniques or even just making a set viable for a certain age group, the only advantage lego has is being able to create new parts. As ive said before, ill end up buying this, itll probably drop to €80 soon enough with sales, which to me is a pretty good price for a medium sized muscle car to mod

Im absolutely loving this competition, if it werent for already having a gizaljon other things to do, id give it a try too. Your porsche looks very good, instantly recognizable just from the basic layout of the arches, roofline and rear

It makes sense that there was trickery involved in the movie shot, popping wheelies is something only the most insanely tuned drag cars tend to do, and there is no reason to go through the effort and expense of making a movie car pop real wheelies when some steel bars and a few pneumatic pistons will do the trick

Or to look at it another way, the same parts count and price as 42077, but in a much nicer looking (albeit smaller) package, a movie/actual car license and an extra function (the wheelie bar) Im not sure how it stacks up size wise, but on paper this makes 42077 and 42096 look terrible.

@Jurss Am i mad, or are those rear shocks mounted with their rotating holes perpendicular to the rotational axis of the axle? In my understanding, this orientation would allow for more left-right height difference on a live axle, but it would actually block up-down movement to begin with. @sirslayer If we are talking wheel arches, the real car doesnt have any notable arch to speak off, mostly just a rounded off cut out in the side panels, so while the lego set doesnt match modern cars, i think it looks pretty decent for a 70s charger. Making a new wheel arch panel for this set would pretty much box them into only re-using the part for 70s muscle cars. (im fully expecting the defender arches to show up in more sets)

https://www.bouwsteentjes.info/lego-technic-42111-doms-dodge-charger/ Better/bigger pics and more info, the text mentions double wishbone suspension. From the pics, the rear doesnt look like it has double wishbone (shouldnt anyway, on a 70s charger), but the front seems waaaay too cramped and busy underneath for double wishbone as well, so im not sure what to expect suspensionwise.

Looks pretty good, although im a bit "meh" about the wheelie bar @LvdH nothing im seeing under the hood makes sense for yellow shocks, the two front bits are axle connectors, the bit two studs further back is connected in a way that isnt anywhere near sturdy enough, and i just cant see any room for an upper wishbone, so unless lego FINALLY made the parts for macpherson struts, we wont be seeing springs. I still have the Land rover to build, and i think the Lambo and Ducati will take priority, but this should make it into my hands somewhere late this year.