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What about page 7 pirate campr and the back cover?

That's fine lol. At this stage in our lives anything is better than nothing. Pretty much none of the existing scans are even close to 300dpi across all the fan sites. Hopefully they are legible where there is text. Do you happen to have the 1989 Toy Fair catalog? Or any Toy Fair catalog?

Up until seeing these photos I was pretty negative about this theme. However, and maybe it's because I seen them on a computer and not a phone, I am open to it and want to see these in person myself.

lol I seen you are staff for it. Do you still have those?

2019 Update: I actually own three of these coins. They are just smaller than the palm of my hand (I'm an adult male) and extremely light weight and made from plastic. I felt they were a disappointment really. The only way you got these was by responding to an ad in the Summer 1989 Dutch newsletter, De Lego Krant. The below resource briefly describes this but shows the ad. Caution: It is in Dutch and I do happen to have the issue, scanned, this came from. http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.miniland.nl/dossier/piraten%201989.htm If the translation link doesn't work, here's the original link: http://www.miniland.nl/dossier/piraten 1989.htm

You may remember that unusual set with the comic book and two Pirates from long ago, but did you know there were 2 more sequels planned? One is Island of Mist and the unpublished, black and white version has surfaced. TalonCard mentioned this originally in 2016 but it went unnoticed. Nothing is known about the third one. http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=546459

Believe it or not, the original Pirates almost all had actual names, including the parrot and monkey! Here are the full names of the Pirate crew, and for good measure, the Imperial Soldiers aka settlers aka governors: Pirates Captain Roger Red Beard (nicknamed Roger in the UK and Red Beard here in the US) Flashfork is the name of the pirate with a mustache and bandana and blue legs; all other are known as Pirate First Mate Rummy is the guy in blue with an eyepatch and triangular "tricorne" hat; other variations are often also referred to as Pirate Boatswain Will (Bo'Sun Will in UK) is actually a pirate boy, years before shorter legs were invented to show age distinctions; he wears a red bandana and has white legs Anne (not Bessie) is the name of the "Pirate Lady" who wore either red or blue bandanas. The next female "Pirate" figure would be an Islander in 1994. Spinoza is the name of Captain Red Beard's pet monkey Popsy was the name of Captain Red Beard's parrot Governor Broadside and Lt. de Martinet are the only two Imperial Soldiers with names; the other mini-figures were either Imperial Soldiers or Imperial Soldier-Sailors. Influences The Jolly Roger design was used by four pirates, captains Edward England, John Taylor, Sam Bellamy and John Martel. Despite its appearance in popular culture, plain black flags were often employed by most pirates in the 17th-18th century. The Lego version resembles the design by Edward England. The Soldiers can be said to be loosely based off of the French Navy and Marines of the colonial era with their blue uniforms and fleur-de-lis of the 19th century. The figurehead of the Black Seas Barricuda (Dark Shark) adorned and protruded the bow of the ship and was often female. Speculative, the Pirate sets were likely influenced by Treasure Island. I say this because of the Lego World Expo show in 1988 where they displayed models representing Treasure Island. Around this time, Pirate movie and TV shows weren't overwhelmingly popular but some movies, Blackbeard's Ghost, Treasure Island, Shipwrecked Island and the NES Magic Kingdom game's depiction of Pirates of the Caribbean ride helped many of us get excited about these sets. (Disney's "Robin Hood" led me to buy a lot of the Forest Men sets since they were really unlicensed Robin Hood sets). Restaurants like Long John Silvers and Captain D's likely also helped many of us get excited about this theme especially since we could get free pirate hats (still can at LJS) and they even had toys/premium promo items, not to mention the cereal "Cap'N'Crunch." There's no shred of evidence to who Captain Red Beard is based, but since Lego loves to blend different influences together (Spooky Girl and Haunted House, hello!) but the poster at the end of this thread makes a great point:

First off, the ad for the German audio dramas were easier to obtain than this. However, when browsing my instructions I came across this ad on the back (see below). This was on the reverse of the instructions that came in the 1992 Kelloggs promotional "stunt" sets. So far my research hasn't shown any other ads for this or the Bo'Sun Will's Activity Book but if you owned sets 1560 through 1563, you'll see the ad for the Captain Red Beard's Activity Book. My web site, http://www.wskel.com/sb/pirates/ actually hosts zipped versions of this one and Bo'Sun Will's Activity Book (someone can unzip them and upload them to their flickr account). Here it is

I found the original links in the source code. They point to the Classic-Pirates.com site. Maybe somebody knows that person and he or she can reup them for us? <div class="cPost_contentWrap ipsPad"> <div data-role="commentContent" class="ipsType_normal ipsType_richText ipsContained" data-controller="core.front.core.lightboxedImages"> <p>I thinks I found them//</p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/01-Front_Cover.jpg" alt="01-Front_Cover.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/02-Pirate_Galleon.jpg" alt="02-Pirate_Galleon.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/03-The_Galley.jpg" alt="03-The_Galley.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/04-Captains_Cabin.jpg" alt="04-Captains_Cabin.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/05-Lollonois.jpg" alt="05-Lollonois.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/06-Pirate_Musicians.jpg" alt="06-Pirate_Musicians.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/07-Pirate-Campr.jpg" alt="07-Pirate-Campr.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/08-Paradise_Canyon.jpg" alt="08-Paradise_Canyon.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/09-Treasure-Cave.jpg" alt="09-Treasure-Cave.jpg"></p> <p>Front cover//</p> <p><img src="http://www.classic-pirates.com/images/expo93/cover.jpg" alt="cover.jpg"></p>

I found a copy of the 1991 scan on my PC I can attach if someone gives me the space.

It lists an Islander program for 1993 but it does have info of the 1990/1991 one. I happen to have saved the scans from this so if a mod can free me up some attachment space I can attach what I have and archivists can archive it so if it disappears over time someone can restore them to their glory. Otherwise, see what you can find here: http://www.miniland.nl/lego world shows/

Also... I'm trying to research the origins of the Pirate line. How did it come into place? Why did LEGO choose that theme to produce sets? Why has the Circus theme never really been introduced into LEGO when the '80s was full of Circus media, from Disney's Dumbo Circus to Duplo's own sets and even the Lego World Showcase at least one if not two years? My research brought me all the way back to the 80s where the World Shows occurred, each having its own souvenir book. Show 8 "Ships and the Sea", 1988, an entire year before Pirates would debut, there are models of a Captain Redbeard (not his Roger name as it was in the UK). As for merchandise, the earliest I have found was a Captain Roger patch listed on the back of Bricks N Pieces, Spring 1989 (I have looked only a few issues in 1988). Although the Spring 1989 issue of Brick Kicks is incomplete, a Youtube video of someone browsing it page by page has surfaced and there appeared to be no indication of anything Pirate related. Another interesting bit of trivia... Pirates were first introduced to club members here in the US by way of the Brick Kicks Summer 1989. Here the line was mentioned in the news flash from the toy fair with models of a pirate and the governor Broadside and a black treasure chest (the same one from the Toy Fair catalog I'd love to find scans of). They were introduced as LEGOLAND Pirates (without the System title) and in the same issue the first-ever Pirate comic appeared. The official premiere issue would be the Fall 1989 one. https://images.brickset.com/library/view/?f=worldshows/LWS-8-ShipsAndTheSea http://www.miniland.nl/LEGOclub/Bricks en pieces spring 1989.htm The 1989 catalog that came in larger sets provides some of the best tidbits about the Pirates line as it debuted: Captain Redbeard is written as "Captain Red Beard" The line is listed as LEGOLAND PIRATE SYSTEM at the top of the page but within the text referred to as "LEGOLAND Pirates of the Sea" Although you were supposed to create your own adventures, it pretty much setup the story: Governor Broadside and his settlers (as they are called, before 'Imperial Guards') aimed to capture the stolen treasure from the Pirates This was one of the first themes, aside from introducing custom faces, where it's pretty obvious and practically stated a division exists between good and evil, where the settlers were actually the bad guys because they wanted to hide the treasure they found from the Pirates, who laid claim to it because it was their ancestors' (visit http://wskel.com/sb/pirates/ then click "Story" for the complete Adventures of the Pirates of the Sea storyline). I don't recall criminals making their way into the Town theme around this time but I do recall the Black Knights being a sinister enemy to the Forestmen (aka Robin Hood, as they were called in the UK). Plus Space Police were introduced around this year if I recall. The Pirates System had stories that appeared on the inside lids of the larger boxes that setup the adventure for you. This is probably why only the two ships and fortresses are more or less the Pirate theme and all the smaller sets are more or less impulse or intro buys that could either be implemented into your Castle, Town or Space themes for an added adventure or simply to introduce the system to kids to see if they'd like the theme or just want the accessories, like the gold/guns or certain minifigures. Although unattractive, the Pirate System did have a female pirate named Bessie. Personally I could not tell that red dot on her mouth was supposed to be red lips since the ot was solid; it would have been meaningful if the circle had a line cut out of it so it could be easier to tell, especially since I was going on 6 when the Pirates debuted. https://images.brickset.com/library/view/?f=catalogues/c89us2 By the way if anyone has or can scan the 1991 and 1993 pirates souvenir books I'd be most obliged.

I know it's old... but did anyone ever scan these books? I have all the German audio dramas and English transcripts and both Activity books and the first comic book but never could find scans of these.

Does anyone know, for a fact, if there are any plans to officially celebrate the 30th anniversary, even at the parks? A Pirate rollercoaster and treehouse are tribute sets and in no way a "Pirates" theme. Ninjago came the closest to a revival, though very short-lived. 1989 Pirates Trivia Did you know that, although the LEGOLAND Pirates System, as it was originally called, officially debuted for everyone September 1, 1989... BUT, as listed in the 1990 Shop at Home Service Catalog, "preferred customers," (what is now known as VIP) were able to purchase four smaller, "impulse buy" sets starting August 1, 1989? Those were Pirate Mini Figures, Castaway's Raft, Shipwreck Island, and Sabre Island. The sets that joined these four on September 1 were: Buried Treasure, Harbor Sentry, Black Seas Barracuda, Forbidden Island, Eldorado Fortress, Caribbean Clipper. It is assumed the Pirate Comic Adventure Set also premiered during this time throughout the world.

Really? That's sad, lol. The closest things Lego has done in Castle to WoW is the theme with the trolls, giants, skeletons, etc.

Most importantly... are the rumors of a 30 year Pirates celebration and a Lego Pirates movie for 2019 still true?

Robert where did you get that and where can I buy them?

Update: There appears to be no other sets besides a scarecrow for the Monthly buildings at Lego stores. I'm eagerly anticipating with the European Friends Magazine will include with this month's issue. Lego Life barely mentions Halloween. Lego Parks do have some neat additions including a new ride in one country but still riding the back of the 2012 Monster Fighters theme. The Scooby Doo site is all but removed, saying all the mysteries are solved but hinting it could make a come back with the phrase "For now." The mysteries have been solved! For several years, Scooby-Doo™, Daphne, Velma, Fred, and Shaggy have uncovered clues, unmasked villains, explored mysterious old places and investigated monster sightings. For now, the LEGO® Scooby-Doo journey is over. However, your journey doesn’t have to end here. Explore LEGO Kids to watch videos, play games and see other cool LEGO products.

Will we get a spooky theme in 2019? Or see the return of Lego Scooby Doo in some form (video or as a toy)?

Until this point we were only able to speculate who exactly Spooky Girl aka Vampire Girl (her name in the file name of her bio graphic from Lego.com and now we know as her development name) was based. We all guessed Wednesday Addams (the Haunted House is essentially the Adams Family house) and I felt Lydia from Beetlejuice. But thanks to a recently discovered design we now know she was also based on the girl from The Ring and Emily the Strange and that Matthew James Ashton specifically did not want her to resemble Monster High. Below is the link with all of this information. This year is another dismal year for Lego Halloween. The only seasonal set is the Witch Brickheadz and we already have the Ghostbuster duo Brickheadz set. We will soon get Jack/Sally from Nightmare Before Christmas and that's it. Series 18 could go any way you want it since it is a Party theme it's assumed to pretty much be a Halloween costume party theme. It's definitely the year for Brickheadz. The Scooby Doo site has returned with Bricktober currently disabled, don't know why: https://www.lego.com/en-us/scoobydoo/ By the way, if you buy the Fantastic Beasts carriage set you can use it as a Vampire Carriage for your Monster Fighters or Studio monsters Vampire Crypt sets.

Um... where were you during all of those releases from 1980 and 1990 properties? Since when were kids familiar with Sonic, Beetlejuice, Et, Ateam, MI, etc? Oh and Ghostbusters, which came out before the female reboot that'll likely be remembered more by the kids of today. Not to mention, in many ways, tge Studio, MF, and Scooby playsets in many ways were taken from the Universal monsters. Now its time we introduce this new generation to the original source.

Um... Universal Studio Monster sets were pretty much the 2002 Scary Monster sets, not to mention the 2012 Monster Fighters (based on USM) and the 2015 Scooby Doo sets (also based on USM) so I think, especially with the number of non-Lego playsets and merch in existence, Universal Monster sets would sell well, especially since there are sooo many horror conventions that would sell them. As for Looney Tunes, yea, I couldn't see a whole lot of sets just a lot of minifigures with accessories, unless they based them on a movie (Quackbusters?).

As you may know the What Monster Are You quiz still remains on Lego.com: https://www.lego.com/en-us/minifigures/quizzes/quiz-which-monster-minifigure-are-you Finally I cracked the code to score how you want. The quiz sums your answers to reveal your result, which is assigned a number. These are the point values you will earn for each answer and what point values will score you as what. It appears they used to offer rewards, mainly posters, and I don't believe I archived them but I figure it's nothing new. POINT/SCORE SYSTEM: Brains =5 Garbage = 2 6,000 eyes = 2 Chain = 3 Walls = 3 Bigger brain = 1 Suit/tie = 6 Jeans/vest = 4 Red = 5 Really red = 2 I'm bald = 1 Who cares = 6 Pink = 1 Red = 4 Funny movies = 3 Concerts = 4 Laugh = 5 Cry = 6 Mad Scientist = 19 Flyman = 24 Specter = 29 Rocker Monster = 34 Zombie Cheerleader = 38 Zombie Businessman = 38

The Monster Fighters theme had many issues and many great things. The story is helter-skelter - why do we have to have monsters being hunted? Why can't they have their own Monsterland where they live in peace and have their own lives? The first Monster theme released in 2002 was the Scary Monsters/Scary Thriller subtheme of the Studios line. Why were they just essentially movie sets and monsters in costumes, why couldn't they just be their own realm? Watch the story video for the Zombies - where did the Voodoo Doctor go and why was the witch released in the graveyard "add-on" pack, I like to call it, when her history is with Anna Lee (she gave her that scar)? We really need a good voodoo doctor and I mean if PotC, a Disney property, can release cannibal sets, they can release a real voodoo witch doctor for a Monster theme. Second, like the 2002 line, it felt like a rip-off and poor excuse of TLC not to obtain a proper Universal license. Even in the preliminary packaging listed Lord Vampire as Dracula and the Zombie Driver as Renfield but final packaging used generic names. That's called a rip-off product (you know, the same thing Lepin is getting jumped for by AFOLs). Not to mention we have a vampire bride but no monster bride and we have yet to have a female monster to date yet that was a very influential part of the monster movies of yesteryear. They would have fared better with a license from US for the 2002 line since those sets felt more like the Universal films than the MF line (which felt like a bit of an update on modern films, like the mummy's chariot being related to the first Universal remake of The Mummy moreso than the original US property). Third, hearkening back to the "fighter" theme, we already know from various sources the original ideas for the line are based on, in part, of the original Ghost Busters cartoon (the one with an ape) which in turn became an inspiration for both Ghostbusters and Scooby Doo (and do I need to go back in history and say these are all based from the Disney cartoons Haunted House and Lonesome Ghosts... but I digress). Now, we have THREE monster-fighting properties that really weren't needed - Scooby Doo, Ghostbusters, and Monster Fighters and haven't fared well on anyone's budget, for those of us who own all the monster sets. Fourth, the Monster Fighters line was one of the first lines where one of its products sold out quickly. This was before products selling out the same day like many do now on Lego.com. Remember the Zombie set, based on the film White Zombie? It was a Target exclusive and one day vanished. Now the set is worth three times its value when it was new and is honestly one of the more clever sets despite the lack of the voodoo doctor (add to the fact it later came out with two add-on packs, the MF accessory set and the graveyard car (not the coffin car)) that were unofficial add-on modular packs many of us AFOLs could gather from the story line. Fifth, there were really no monster rally or even large sets (a castle set would have been nice then). By monster rally I mean not more than one monster appeared in a set (although the scientist does appear to be an early Dr Jeckyll/Mr Hyde and the first vampire assistant based on Igor, although I wonder if the Mel Griffith's Igor didn't help to inspire this design more). Now for the positives... 1) It uses the steampunk/gothic cultures. We know gothic architecture is real but the whole steampunk idea is fiction - except for steam-powered locomotives and a few other things, it's all fiction. It does seem to be inspired from the WWI era which is the era before monster movies came about (but right after many monster books, such as Frankenstein, were released). 2) We got a lot of monsters, although many were repeats and, especially the wolf set, was a redesign of the old set (we could have gotten a gypsy wagon and a tree). The swamp creature and zombies were newer editions. We even had skeleton horses that, in the game, were in place for manbats (which I have no clue why those were released anyway). 3) We got a lab, castle, graveyard, and even a haunted house in one theme. 4) There was quite a lot of influence to these sets from both The Addams Family and Munsters (we technically got a Dragula and a smaller coffin car) and some of this later influenced the Series 14 CMF monster line (Rocker Monster from Herman Munster and the Franken monster from the now defunct Universal Beetlejuice Graveyard Revue show, almost being an exact replica).

Aye, aye a quick education is in place here... why are you talking about five-year-old issues with Monster Fighters sets as if they're still current/relevant? Because they shouldn't had even happened 5 years ago when they even did. LEGO knew better and has been using glow-in-the-dark elements since the '90s... and guess what... Entex's Glo-Blocs way before them! How exactly is LEGO "LOSING to Mega Bloks"? Read here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/8003555/Lego-loses-11-year-trademark-battle.html and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/8003555/Lego-loses-11-year-trademark-battle.html What in the world is "political" about LEGO Friends? https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/legos/484115/ https://hbr.org/2014/09/legos-girl-problem-starts-with-management http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2013/06/28/196605763/girls-legos-are-a-hit-but-why-do-girls-need-special-legos How is using life rings for toilet seats — something LEGO has been doing for over ten years, and something they've never had any other dedicated piece for — some kind of newfangled cost-cutting initiative? You'd have to read LEGO's past annual reports and other corporate literature where they talk about this.