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You are correct on both accounts. The LEGO logo varies - the left one (the UK one) is more pronounced. Yes, having these as real keychains, this variant myself, they don't last long. The paint rubs off and the minifigure has been known to break apart. I believe most of these keychains are very cheap on Bricklink and worth buying a couple just to have. The US one, on the right, looks a little worn so it tells me I may have used it. Also... the beard on the UK figure is a darker shade of red while the US figure has a lighter shade to it.

Yes. The UK one from the 1990s has a black key ring on it and thus is called a Key Ring. The one you posted is just the Key Chain and came much later here in the U.S., I think 1994. As for differences in Captain's appearances you tell me: (save these I wont keep them here for long) (hat print is all i see) https://www.dropbox.com/s/q7034qfwhw8xpve/20190609_190610.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/vvytyn8r6bzbb0w/20190609_190653.jpg?dl=0

Yes but on a mobile device it's hard to browse through. Unfortunately we are in a new era which means new technology and new ways of doing things. Indexes on a forum just aren't it. Not to mention the links to brickset and brickfactory are broken, so verifying their appearances, listed on 2013, isn't a possibility.

In terms of history, right up to 1776 history books called the American Revolutionary War. Before that we were considered a part of Colonial Europe and thus our history before formulating as a country actually is European History. Even if there are "American History" books that start off with Native American history then jump to Chris Columbus "discovering" America in 1492...but even then credit goes to Europe and European history no matter how many American authors try to "Americanize" or "revise" European history. And...who was he? A new pirate captain from Lego Universe? I don't really play the games. Never liked them since Island debuted

I bought and imported the 1989/1990 UK Captain Roger Keyring and I own one of the US versions of Captain Red Beard key chain. Plus Majesto the Wizard and a few others.

As many of you are aware, especially in the United KIngdom, there have been many Lego Pirate Key chains, although almost always depicting Captain Roger / Red Beard: There is even two different pirate key chains (Red Pirate and Blue Pirate) in respect to the original line. And don't forget the Imperial Soldier (1990 UK only)! But, not as well advertised, there was also an Islander key chain. Brickset and Bricklink currently doesn't know the year it became available we know it was available with a photo in the pre-April (Maybe January?) 1995 US Shop at Home Catalog and listed as NEW in the US Shop at Home 1995 Holiday Catalog. Interesting to note, especially in the pre-April 1995 one listed above, you could still buy Pirate sets from 1989! Update! I found an even earlier mention but in the UK Bricks N Pieces, Summer 1994 issue!

Yes thank you. This helps alot in pinpointing the source of the Pirates line. They reused this pirate with more details in the World Show 8 I do believe.

Yes it's now fixed.

I think 6. He didn't need to do 600dpi, only 300dpi nd its only what, 32 pages to scan and fix lol

I understand. I only posted that one as its own topic because its currently known scan is incomplete and its a Pirates issue about the islanders. Personally this forum is in need of a lot of pinned topics so we can scan through the archives and update broken links. The Master Index is hard to read... and I was on a computer with 28 inch screen lol

30 years after the debut of the Pirates line debuted and many of us are just now realizing the impact that each country having its own sources for lore has contributed to our understandings, translations, transliterations, and errors derived from these. As we share our knowledge of our lore as it pertains to what was available at the time in our country it's important we use the original sources wherever possible. This is what this thread is for. Perhaps we can correct or clarify much of the confusion throughout these forums. United Kingdom The Golden Medallion Comic Book Ladybird Story Books (all 4 of them) Ladybird Activity Books: Captain Roger's Activity Book & Bo'Sun Will's Activity Book Bricks N Pieces Magazine Any later club magazine (exact names coming soon) France Le médaillon D'or (The Golden Medallion Comic Book) As Lego No. 3 Magazine (activity book) Les Pirates et la Malle au Trésor Activity Book Any later club magazine (exact names coming soon) Germany German audio dramas (6 of them; plus 2 Islanders dramas) Der Schatz der Halben Münze (The Golden Medallion Comic Book) Any later club magazine (exact names coming soon) United States (my country) Brick Kicks magazine (early Pirates line) Inner flaps of the larger sets' boxes, like fortresses and ships The Golden Medallion Comic Book Captain Red Beard's Activity Book (no known scans exist for US version) "Peril in Pirate Cove" comic - From Disney Adventures Magazine, includes trading cards - April, May, and June 1993 issues Any later club magazine (exact names coming soon) Note: I cannot verify if the Storybooks were officially released in the United States and officially published for license in the United States by a US publisher so these are not listed as verifiable sources for the US. If it wasn't in our shop at home catalogs, included as an order form on the back of set instructions (like our comic book) or the booklets or one-sheets distributed with our sets, or even in club magazines, we had no way of knowing. We didn't have a Legoland park or store or Discovery Centers or whatever until much, much later.

Thats all good and all but many of those issues remain incomplete, like the Mania premiere issue I just made another topic for.

Finally and thanks to Google we have a COMPLETE scan of the Premiere issue depicting the Islanders on the front. It includes an article of stories from people who have been on an island and the comic already found on the famous Miniland.nl site with tons of mag scans.

Yes and a scan is here: http://www.miniland.nl/LEGOclub/lego magazine lezen.htm But I don't see any names listed with the set...

I bought the book (Captain Roger one; just realized there is an American Captain Red Beard one) myself only a couple years ago. But... I did find on my American instruction from a Kelloggs set promotion this: Note: It was called Captain Red Beard's Activity Book here in the US. It was free if you sent two UPC codes from a $15 purchase of 2 Pirates sets. I'll have to scan my copy for better resolution. Also... let's retire the use of "Ironhook variant" - clearly it is the same brown beard/eye-patch but not the same minifigure. It's also confusing and clearly a of us are getting confused with this stuff. It implies that he is Captain Ironhook but a variant (Think Scooby Doo... those were variants. A sitting Scooby Doo did not make the standing Scooby Doo any less a Scooby Doo BUT Jake "The Snake" Blake (Im guessing a take on a possible Pirate who may have had that name and not WWF wrestler) is a DIFFERENT ENTITY from Captain Ironhook. We just as well could put Anne's head in place of his to make a new minifigure. Or... gasp... replace Red Beard's head with her head! I mean, owning the entire 1989/1990 line, I have enough Pirate minifigs to make customs and not take away from the main crew lol. And yes, you are correct, the Caribbean is closer to the USA... BUT... the Pirates setting was 18th century aka 1700s. We didn't become a country until 1776 so we were still owned by the British until then. So the Pirates were technically in Europe until after 1776 when we become the USA lol

That was ultimately meant to be my conclusion... In the United States, according to our media (we were limited to SAH catalogs and club mags) he was Captain Red Beard. Here is our 1996 SAH holiday catalog: http://imgur.com/a/cB63h Notice the running comic especially King Kahuka(sic) challenging Captain Red Beard to cross his bridge in the Enchanted Island set, calling him by name. We didn't know about the German radio dramas, story books (did we?), or Bricks N Pieces or catalogs from other countries unless we visited that country, until the Internet. We only had the Golden Medallion comic book, Captain Roger's Activity Book (and as a kid I sure didn't care about the details like Anne and Bessie and assumed they were designed for that catalog) and club mags. My guess is, because Pirates are European history and since we Americans like to simply things, the European market designed the Pirate lore in detail, we just give small details. Also, as a kid, I never took anything printed in mags as factual since you had to usually buy them anyway. I don't know if the Dragon jn Dragon Masters had a name in this country and if it did I surely didn't care or consider it concrete. Just fodder to help us get more excited about buying or playing with our sets.

Because the mags of the Islanders issue are at a secret section on my site, the wskel.com/sb/pirates is my site. The miniland site is a Netherlands site and not mine. But to see the magazines I have in secret you gotta go all the way to the right frame, scroll down and click the treasure chest. You will find a lot of non-pirate related stuff I like from Lego as well.

No my site is in my signature. That's a Netherlands site.

The Islander ones because that's when the idea of IronHook came about, go here because they're hidden in a secret section of my site (a throwback to the 1990s lol): http://www.miniland.nl/LEGOclub/lego mania magazine winter 1994.htm then http://www.miniland.nl/LEGOclub/Bricks en pieces spring 1994.htm

Ok... I'll take the time to show... In 1997 this was the Pharaoh's headpiece. At that time, the Pharaoh Hotep was the ONLY Egyptian minifigure - the rest were either adventurers or crooks. The gold and blue are not ridges, it's paint. Notice the design is very basic? Now jump to 2011's Pharaoh's Quest, which lazily reuses the same mold for all the "Mummy's" BUT the Anubis, still being basic, resembles the one above, just without the details (1998 sets didn't have as detailed molds): The one with the red minifigure looks almost like a prototype for a modern Anubis "Collectible Minifigure" minifigure or something out of Ninjago.

Right! My site is made for fanatics who've been with Pirates since Day 1 not casual browsers whose first Pirate sets were 2009, or gasp, PotC.

Because in each magazine the pirate captain, no matter if he's in red torn clothes or his black garb, is referred to his one name for that country: Captain Roger (UK) or Captain Red Beard (US). P.S. The mags are at my site.

Looks good. There were never any Anubis mini-figures in the 1990s Adventurers sets (statues, not figs) and it looks like the ones from Pharoah's Quest. So I'm guessing the seller has no clue what he is talking about, it's too advanced and detailed in its design to come from Adventurers.

Except... that is a private Instagram so you have to follow them. Any chance of attaching the photo here?

Or people can just visit my site now and get them... http://www.wskel.com/sb/pirates/ then click Events and the list of programs and additional content with each program is there.