[MT] Technic Model Team Contest - Information Topic

[Jim]

I have never made my own MOC, but I love to see and build other people creations. Im really looking forward to see the entries for this competition and "eerlijk is eerlijk": Jim youre an awsome guy by putting these prices on the table by yourself, respect!

Thanks mate

There is a rule in the first post which says yes, you can make rear view mirrors, they aren't counted as width :)

I'm glad some of you actually read the first post

Since this is a pretty hard contest and not all of you have enough parts to make a decent creation, I am contemplating on changing the rules to allow digital entries. Any objections?

[opn2]

Edited September 27, 2014 by opn2

[Jim]

Oh, and Jim? Do you have the original poster that came with set 5510 to send to the winner? I don't have the set, but I found the poster when someone threw it out. It's a little bit faded, but it still looks good and it's all in one piece. I don't mind contributing it to whoever wins it if not!

No I don't have the poster. Would be great to include it in the set

(I will PM you about it. Thanks!)

[zweihander]

Since this is a pretty hard contest and not all of you have enough parts to make a decent creation, I am contemplating on changing the rules to allow digital entries. Any objections?

I was just going to ask if it would be okay if I build digitally, and hope someone with enough bricks builds it and takes photos.

Not that I have any hope of being able to build something good, but one can dream :)

Edited August 11, 2014 by erelender

[Milan]

Since this is a pretty hard contest and not all of you have enough parts to make a decent creation, I am contemplating on changing the rules to allow digital entries. Any objections?

I am against it.

Just don't think it is a good idea to mix digital and real-bricks entries. Building with real bricks has all the challenges (strength of the chassis-model, working functions, openable sections, taking good photos...), which can be avoided in digital entry.

It is better to make another contest just with digital entries, I know how many people here like to build (and how awesome they build) in digital way

Edited August 11, 2014 by Milan

[Jim]

Clear, and understandable

That's 2 in favor and 1 against.

I will await further responses.

[MrNumbskull13]

I'm with Milan here but we could do what Zblj has suggested in another topic (I think it was him) and allow builders to have a digital entry with all the correct colours and such to accompany a multicoloured real model...

[Milan]

Clear, and understandable

That's 2 in favor and 1 against.

I will await further responses.

Current voting is 6:0 against digital entries, in Future contest topic :)

But...since we all want more entries, and since that voting topic is general...AND since we are all aware that not all the guys here have massive collection of old system bricks, I could remove my objection, and we could all start building :)

[Jim]

Current voting is 6:0 against digital entries, in Future contest topic :)

But...since we all want more entries, and since that voting topic is general...AND since we are all aware that not all the guys here have massive collection of old system bricks, I could remove my objection, and we could all start building :)

Try, but that's more a generic stand on digital entries. By default, I am also against mixing the two.

But maybe we can make an exception for this contest.

[rodiziorobs]

I would say no to digital, but that is only because it makes it hard to test the functions of the model.

Other than that, no objections.

On a different note, I hope I can enter this one...I wanted to enter the last two contests here (MINI) and (TRIPLE), but just couldn't get an entry together. Third time's the charm... :)

[Erik Leppen]

Can we use parts that are no longer produced?

[Jim]

Can we use parts that are no longer produced?

Yes, you can

(as long as they are official LEGO)

[hrontos]

Building with real bricks has all the challenges (strength of the chassis-model, working functions, openable sections, taking good photos...), which can be avoided in digital entry.

Yes, this is definitely true. Real model has to stand, functions has to work.

On the other hand, rules are quite "open" in the way a model should be presented.

Video is not obligatory and that means, that from photos it is actually impossible to judge if the chassis is really strong, if the functions really work without grinding and damaging gears, if there are not illegal building techniques etc. Just the same problem as from the digital pictures.

So actually taking a good photo is the main challenge.

For kids competitions I would not allow digital entries. My goal is to get kids away from computer as far as possible, since these days kids spend a lot of time there.

For AFOLs it is for me only a matter of personal taste.

I am working with a computer in the office, so real bricks are better for me.

But that's not a reason why I should find unfair if somebody will participate with digital entries.

I would like to see many nice, good looking models and if there will be some minor structural flaws, they can be fixed, idea is important.

Edited August 11, 2014 by hrontos

[Jim]

I would like to see many nice, good looking models...

That's exactly why I want to allow digital builds. Just to have more entries in this competition.

[legomuppet9]

I have next to no system bricks... so the only way I'd be able to take part would be if digital entries were allowed (I think I sit in the same boat as quite a few others )

[dhc6twinotter]

I vote no on the digital entries.

[Jim]

Okay, to make this a bit more easy, I have included a poll in this topic. Please vote and I will make a decision Wednesday morning, based on the outcome of the poll.

[Seasider]

I'd say no to digitals. Not sure if I'll enter this myself, don't really know much about model team I have bought the recent creator mini though.

Might be an excuse to dig out my old studded technic from its box

[D3K]

I am very divided on the whole "should digital entries be allowed" thing. Principally I would say NO, but then again, personally, I hardly have any system bricks at hand, so if I were to enter the competition, it would have to be with a digital model And I think I am not the only one!

On the other hand, I am pretty sure a physical model will stand a better chance of winning than a digital one!

Love the contest though, can't wait to see the first entries! Also; Absolutely great that you have managed to get some proper old Model Team sets as prizes!

Edit:

Sorry to push the physical size question further, but the 45 x 15 stud limit sort of eliminates all sorts of fixed wing airplanes (which is fine by me). But how about helicopter rotors with more than two blades (more than 15 studs across) ?

Edited August 11, 2014 by D3K

[Zerobricks]

Same here, dont really have much studded bricks... But I can see LDD is easy to manipulate into impossible models...

[Jim]

I am very divided on the whole "should digital entries be allowed" thing. Principally I would say NO, but then again, personally, I hardly have any system bricks at hand, so if I were to enter the competition, it would have to be with a digital model And I think I am not the only one!

For me it's a NO for regular contests, but most of us probaly don't have a lot of bricks to make a proper creation. Therefor I think it might be interesting to allow digital builds as an exception to the rule.

Love the contest though, can't wait to see the first entries! Also; Absolutely great that you have managed to get some proper old Model Team sets as prizes!

Thanks. It figured old MT models would make for nice prizes.

And I am interested to see how the digital vs analogue will mix in a single contest.

[Doc_Brown]

I'm unsure if digital should be allowed or not. There are good reasons for both yes and no.

Whats tipping me towards yes now, is after studying model team models for the last hour (I have never owned a MT set), I can see there are a lot of pieces most people wont have! Like doors and windows ect.

I would suggest if digital is allowed, to have strict rules on renders, such as if someone submits a screen-grab of their awesome MOC from LDD it won't look half as good as a full render from POV-ray.

I think that it would be reasonable to ask all renders be done with POV-ray, even if that means you have to learn how to use it (should only take an afternoon). That would level the field in terms of those that have a truck load of real system parts to build with and all those that entry digitally.

Anyways just my opinion.

[Jim]

I like the way you think!

If you build digitally, at least take the time to make a proper render!

[hrontos]

I would suggest if digital is allowed, to have strict rules on renders, such as if someone submits a screen-grab of their awesome MOC from LDD it won't look half as good as a full render from POV-ray.

I think that it would be reasonable to ask all renders be done with POV-ray, even if that means you have to learn how to use it (should only take an afternoon). That would level the field in terms of those that have a truck load of real system parts to build with and all those that entry digitally.

Anyways just my opinion.

I agree, but I would not enforce this by rules. I am pretty sure, that everybody will try to make the model look best, so the render/photo/screenshot is custom decision of everybody. I can imagine many people not having patience/experience with rendering and if they will not learn, they will not earn the points.

Jury will really see who made it just as quick as possible and who really invested some bricks or time to make the entry look best. And it should be visible on voting results.

Of course, taking screenshot of a whole desktop with mailbox behind is not acceptable.

[LegoMathijs]

Maybe I can create a moc for this competition I'm very busy with some other LEGO projects at this moment

But I have inspiration for this competition