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Having seen the latest images of the Death Star, I'm actually quite impressed by it.  It's clearly massive and there's some great little details.  In particular, the hanger/star-field is exceptional, as well as the laser and the 'core' section of it.  It actually looks a little deeper than I'd imagined so hopefully it will be relatively stable!  I appreciate that many fans have been upset by the minifigures but it's not too much of an issue for me. If it ever reaches 20% off I'll buy it, otherwise I'm happy to spend my money on something else UCS-related! :classic:

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12 hours ago, Shaak said:

Yeah. A playset is very unlikely. I guess that’s why the only recent subline I like is the Starship Collection. The Executor, the Invisible Hand and the Acclamator are now in my collection. Something I didn’t think would be possible five years ago.

The Starship collection is our best bet for a lucrehulk, as between the smaller scale, 18+ target market, and no need to fit minifigure-compatible interior space in, they could easily make a $60-80 set that would sell just fine.

11 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Wow. DS GWP just sucks.

I'm apparently the only person on the forum who thinks this, but I actually quite like the concept and don't mind the execution. In theory this is exactly what a GWP should be- a nice bonus for buying the set, like an expansion pack, but not some new exclusive figure that's going to get marked up to hundreds of dollars.

The Chibi-TIE isn't the best execution, the pod is a bit flattened front-to-back, but I think people are acting like this should have been an accurately proportioned TIE fighter that could fit a pilot at ~160 pieces. I think this works just fine for what it is- it adds a bit to the death star but doesn't feel essential to the set. Figure selection is nice too- it bulks up the imperial presence but isn't some exclusive officer or anything.

5 hours ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

I wonder how stable the whole DS slice is? The thing is hugh and the base is so small. It looks like it could topple over at any time. 

This seems like a major issue. You bump into the top part of this thing and you better pray none of the parts themselves break when it smashes down.

3 hours ago, brimbolet said:

Usually the value is between 5-10% of the threshold, so I was expecting really something more substantial.

I agree it could have been a bit more substantial, but if you were expecting lego to drop a $50-100 set as a GWP, your expectations were unrealistic to begin with. I don't think they've ever dropped a GWP anywhere close to that value.

 

Even though I think the GWP is a good strategy for lego to adopt (again, the tie fighter execution isn't great but this format of a nonessential extra that bulks up the official set is perfect), the better images of the full death star have me concretely believing the set itself shouldn't have made it past the concept stage. Palpatine's window and the other bits sticking out is a major error in this set. You can't wall mount it, which was what I assumed the benefit of the Death Slice would have been, and it'll look bad from most angles besides front-facing. It really should have been a sphere.

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37 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I agree it could have been a bit more substantial, but if you were expecting lego to drop a $50-100 set as a GWP, your expectations were unrealistic to begin with. I don't think they've ever dropped a GWP anywhere close to that value.

A 50$ GWP is today unrealistic, you're right, but we had much better deals in the past. The forest hideout for example; 150$ threshold if I remember correctly (certainly 15$ worth) or the trade federation troop carrier from last year, 160$ threshold...

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Diorama Death Star, is wonderful if you like diorama’s.  A well executed celebration from Lego.

But..I don’t like and have any UCS or  SW diorama set.

A pipe cross section is no moon or Death Star.

Building most of the UCS sets was a joy, I have 1000 euro set aside for the Death Star, and had hope.

This is not for me. I can understand the choices, I felt my anticipation draining when I looked at the images.

Oh well better luck next time.

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1 hour ago, Lobot said:

Having seen the latest images of the Death Star, I'm actually quite impressed by it.  It's clearly massive and there's some great little details.  In particular, the hanger/star-field is exceptional, as well as the laser and the 'core' section of it.  It actually looks a little deeper than I'd imagined so hopefully it will be relatively stable!  I appreciate that many fans have been upset by the minifigures but it's not too much of an issue for me. If it ever reaches 20% off I'll buy it, otherwise I'm happy to spend my money on something else UCS-related! :classic:

I agree. The hanger/star-field looks terrific. My first thoughts on seeing the leaks was to part out just that area into a standalone diorama.

As for the whole set, I don't care for Star Wars enough to be interested in spending the kind of money or space required. But it's a nice way to pull everything together.

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8 hours ago, Kaijumeister said:

Just not a fan of the two flagship sets for the film seeming to be another Razor Crest and AT-AT given we’ve had both playscale and UCS versions of these vehicles within the past 5 years.

Definitely feel that but I suspect that's probably intentional on Disney's part. I have no doubt that they want M&G to "feel" like a classic Star Wars movie to the average viewer (given the reception of the sequels) so I'm guessing the merchandise will probably reflect that, which is disappointing but not especially shocking.

With regards to the Death Star, seeing the new images hasn't changed my mind much. A lot of the individual dioramas look really good and this would be an awesome set to have on display, but I cannot imagine ever spending that much on a Lego set. Maybe if I get a decent job (lmao) and I see it for a notable discount I'd consider, but not any time soon. The GWP is okay but I do wish the wings were just ever so slightly bigger. I appreciate that there's nothing exclusive in there, though.

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Some other general thoughts on the DS:

- The probe droid looks ok but I think it could have used some printing on the head.

- For the price of the set they could’ve added some greebling or something to the back of the set a bit more elegant. Maybe added some microscale X-wings and TIE fighters to represent the Battle of Yavin or a microscale Falcon and Executor for the Battle of Endor or something.

 

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The Death Star is a very expensive diorama, you’re paying a lot for one good angle. Shame, don’t think the execution has the value they wanted. Feels like £500, maximum. 

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2 hours ago, brimbolet said:

A 50$ GWP is today unrealistic, you're right, but we had much better deals in the past. The forest hideout for example; 150$ threshold if I remember correctly (certainly 15$ worth) or the trade federation troop carrier from last year, 160$ threshold...

You're looking at it as a pure % cost of the set purchased, but every previous UCS set shows that it's not how that works. The $800 AT-AT didn't have a $40-80 GWP, it was a lightsaber worth $10-15 of parts. I can't remember ever seeing a GWP that'd be more than a $25ish set, MAYBE $30. Certainly nothing close to a $50 set, much less $100.

2 hours ago, Lbu68 said:

Diorama Death Star, is wonderful if you like diorama’s.  A well executed celebration from Lego.

But..I don’t like and have any UCS or  SW diorama set.

A pipe cross section is no moon or Death Star.

Building most of the UCS sets was a joy, I have 1000 euro set aside for the Death Star, and had hope.

This is not for me. I can understand the choices, I felt my anticipation draining when I looked at the images.

Oh well better luck next time.

Welcome to eurobricks! I agree- the death slice is a pale imitation of the sphere. If you've got the money set aside already, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of finding an old 2016 one out of hand. Excellent set.

1 hour ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Billund would be razed by nightfall.

With how often we say this I wonder if Denmark's CIA equivalent ever gets tired of having lego fans comprise so much of their terror watchlist.

1 hour ago, Meaf said:

Definitely feel that but I suspect that's probably intentional on Disney's part. I have no doubt that they want M&G to "feel" like a classic Star Wars movie to the average viewer (given the reception of the sequels) so I'm guessing the merchandise will probably reflect that, which is disappointing but not especially shocking.

To be fair, I do think a new crest is a good idea, and it'll have been 6 years since the last AT-AT, which isn't too long but for a major vehicle doesn't feel egregious either, especially if it's based on a different project and as such will have- at the minimum- a totally different figure loadout. Weren't the TMAG AT-ATs in the trailer the rebels/JJFO version too, rather than the standard ESB one? 

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This is the most I've been disappointed since Cloud City set...honestly as far as I'm concerned this will be in the running for worst UCS set of all time, especially given the price. 

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The Death Star seems better and much worse than I thought all at the same time. I like the instracacies of the model more with the details, stickters (wish they were prints). The video (granted it's for marketing) feels like the team really tried in earnest but it just hasn't landed with the audience. Maybe I'll think about it for a discount. The GWP is awful. Keeping on the trend of saving my money for the UCS sets I really like. 

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7 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

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The Chibi-TIE isn't the best execution, the pod is a bit flattened front-to-back, but I think people are acting like this should have been an accurately proportioned TIE fighter that could fit a pilot at ~160 pieces. I think this works just fine for what it is- it adds a bit to the death star but doesn't feel essential to the set. Figure selection is nice too- it bulks up the imperial presence but isn't some exclusive officer or anything.

This seems like a major issue. You bump into the top part of this thing and you better pray none of the parts themselves break when it smashes down.

I agree it could have been a bit more substantial, but if you were expecting lego to drop a $50-100 set as a GWP, your expectations were unrealistic to begin with. I don't think they've ever dropped a GWP anywhere close to that v

Even though I think the GWP is a good strategy for lego to adopt (again, the tie fighter execution isn't great but this format of a nonessential extra that bulks up the official set is perfect), the better images of the full death star have me concretely believing the set itself shouldn't have made it past the concept stage. Palpatine's window and the other bits sticking out is a major error in this set. You can't wall mount it, which was what I assumed the benefit of the Death Slice would have been, and it'll look bad from most angles besides front-facing. It really should have been a sphere.

They do this perfectly with the previous two recent Harry Potter modular sets. The problem is that since it’s an addition, once it sold out, that’s it, you won’t get it again. I missed out on the grand staircase and hogwarts resting room two years ago and had to resort to rebuilding it through pick a brick. Luckily the figures weren’t exclusive.

What sucks is that even the 4+ set tie fighter looks better than this polybag tie fighter, even the polybag build from solo looked better.

however the biggest misstep and that I’m surprised no one’s caught on yet is that they included the tie fighter in the official pictures with no warning of it being a GWP. Once it sells out I’m pretty sure your regular builders will buy it and feel like something’s missing. 
 

to be honest this set feels like a bunch of Harry Potter 30$ sets combined and stacked, but like the 2021 weird shapen hogwarts and not the recent masterpiece of their 2024-25 wave. 😭😭😭

 

 

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1 hour ago, hikouki said:

If I skip buying the death star on release, is it possible to build the GWP all from bricklink?

Unless the TIE pilot has a slightly different torso or something, yes, you should just be able to buy the parts and figures off bricklink for pretty cheap.

4 hours ago, StarfuryT said:

This is the most I've been disappointed since Cloud City set...honestly as far as I'm concerned this will be in the running for worst UCS set of all time, especially given the price. 

The price point is the big downside of this set, I think. If this had been, say, $400, and correspondingly under half the size (and able to be wall-mounted), I think it would have done just fine. But this slice gimmick just doesn't work for a set that's the most expensive lego's ever done. This is intended to be the flagship of the theme, and it should have been the sphere.

1 hour ago, eldiano said:

They do this perfectly with the previous two recent Harry Potter modular sets. The problem is that since it’s an addition, once it sold out, that’s it, you won’t get it again. I missed out on the grand staircase and hogwarts resting room two years ago and had to resort to rebuilding it through pick a brick. Luckily the figures weren’t exclusive.

I mean... yeah. That's what a GWP is. That's why they do them- to incentive you to buy the set at release by throwing in some extras. The point I'm making with this one is that it's nonessential. Nobody was looking at the death star set going "man, I would buy it, but it's missing a mini TIE fighter and hanger rack." And if they really want to (unless the tie fighter pilot has a slightly new torso or something), they can probably find the parts and figures on BL for like $20. It's an add on of some small imperial builds and troops to fill out the DS but nothing that would make the set look incomplete without it. Would you prefer if it was an exclusive figure? If it was entirely unrelated to the set it's a GWP for? If we just didn't get a GWP at all?

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"I have built into it a flaw so small and so powerful they won't notice it until it's too late." 

That sums up my feelings about this set and where the theme is heading.

Or maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy. I'd rather get 3 Jack Sparrow's floatable devices for the same price.

Can we get a TIE Avenger yet, because THAT would be awesome.

 

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2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Unless the TIE pilot has a slightly different torso or something, yes, you should just be able to buy the parts and figures off bricklink for pretty cheap.

The price point is the big downside of this set, I think. If this had been, say, $400, and correspondingly under half the size (and able to be wall-mounted), I think it would have done just fine. But this slice gimmick just doesn't work for a set that's the most expensive lego's ever done. This is intended to be the flagship of the theme, and it should have been the sphere.

I mean... yeah. That's what a GWP is. That's why they do them- to incentive you to buy the set at release by throwing in some extras. The point I'm making with this one is that it's nonessential. Nobody was looking at the death star set going "man, I would buy it, but it's missing a mini TIE fighter and hanger rack." And if they really want to (unless the tie fighter pilot has a slightly new torso or something), they can probably find the parts and figures on BL for like $20. It's an add on of some small imperial builds and troops to fill out the DS but nothing that would make the set look incomplete without it. Would you prefer if it was an exclusive figure? If it was entirely unrelated to the set it's a GWP for? If we just didn't get a GWP at all?

For sure, I completely, agree, but it's freaking hilarious that LEGO freaking removed the GWP picture in the official set page. omg. lolol

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2 hours ago, Nobricksleft said:

Can we get a TIE Avenger yet, because THAT would be awesome.

Agreed vehemently.

(Day #134 of asking Lego to make a Tie Avenger play-set.

Death Star looks awful without minifigs in it. Granted, the previous two do too but they weren’t $1000.

March 2026 news when?!!!

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12 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

With how often we say this I wonder if Denmark's CIA equivalent ever gets tired of having lego fans comprise so much of their terror watchlist.

…no comment.
(I genuinely forgot what the context was for the last time I said it. I only remember saying that sort of thing too often for even my own concern. Here I am now, in the same calendar year, after the double shot of an oversized diorama compilation and undersized clone vehicle both at outrageously high prices, and I’ve lost the proverbial fire to start a fire… that’ll light the flame… that’ll burn the LEGO House down.)

 

Gingerbread AT-AT is neat and wholesome. I struggle to find a reason why I’d pay $70, but I quite like it.

 

Jangbrick’s DS reveal video summed up my thoughts better than I could’ve—or would’ve on the UCS DS. To summarize, I dislike the set so much that I’m apathetic about it entirely. The concept, the design choices, then on top of it all the price are not for me.

That said, one of the few things that does actually bother me is the Hot Tub Stormtrooper; moreso this line from the minifig designer, Matty O'Neil:

“But I think we've like taken that [design from the video games] and done a more modern interpretation, perhaps, of the same thing. We wanted to stay true to the spirit, but bring it into LEGO Star Wars now, I guess you could say.
(Solid Brix Studios’ Death Star designer interview, timecode 19:09.)

In my oh so humble opinion, this completely speaks of hubris. The classic design is so beloved for a reason. No one who hasn’t played the video game will care, yes, but that’s precisely the point; the ones who will care are the ones who are familiar with the stupid thong stormies or striped one-piece ones. In trying to update it to “LEGO Star Wars now”—whatever that means—they’ve pleased no one.

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Brickset designer interview for those who prefer reading over videos:

https://brickset.com/article/124598/interview-with-césar-soares-designer-of-75419-death-star

https://brickset.com/article/124608/interview-with-maddy-o-neil-graphic-designer-for-75419-death-star

Interesting discussions about the size/layout. They wanted to go for size, but I think for 1000USD fans would have preferred smaller, but half/full sphere.

Re walling off trash compactor:

"I did, once we added the blast door between the hangar and that area, creating space for the duel between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan. I created a wall panel to separate them at one point, but those parts were ultimately needed elsewhere."

Couldn't afford dual moulding for Imperial officers or C3PO...

"we receive a certain allotment of frames to do different things with the elements, which can include new moulds, colour changes and new decorations. We try to prioritise creating new characters over features like dual-moulded legs because making a new head, for instance, counts for more or less the same as changing the colour of legs."

I think the designers tried their best for this particular concept but:

A) the concept was not the one to go with

B) bean counter interference as always

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1 hour ago, Swordy said:

In my oh so humble opinion, this completely speaks of hubris. The classic design is so beloved for a reason. No one who hasn’t played the video game will care, yes, but that’s precisely the point; the ones who will care are the ones who are familiar with the stupid thong stormies or striped one-piece ones. In trying to update it to “LEGO Star Wars now”—whatever that means—they’ve pleased no one.

If they wanted a "modern design":

1) do an update of the TCS or LSW2 design in a modern style

or 2) use the Skywalker Saga design

This is a completely new design, not simply an updated one. 

1 hour ago, samsz_3 said:

Couldn't afford dual moulding for Imperial officers or C3PO...

"we receive a certain allotment of frames to do different things with the elements, which can include new moulds, colour changes and new decorations. We try to prioritise creating new characters over features like dual-moulded legs because making a new head, for instance, counts for more or less the same as changing the colour of legs."

Sounds like bs to me. They didn't need any new colours; the parts are already in production (and the officer legs are literally on PaB). 

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1 hour ago, samsz_3 said:

we added the blast door between the hangar and that area, creating space for the duel between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan

(To the designer that this is quoted from) No, you added the *frame* for a blast door. There is no actual door in there, so you can't recreate the scene of Luke shooting the panel to close it (which was present on the 2008 and 2016 sets)

Edit: ah, left it too long for them to merge

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15 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

To be fair, I do think a new crest is a good idea, and it'll have been 6 years since the last AT-AT, which isn't too long but for a major vehicle doesn't feel egregious either, especially if it's based on a different project and as such will have- at the minimum- a totally different figure loadout. Weren't the TMAG AT-ATs in the trailer the rebels/JJFO version too, rather than the standard ESB one? 

Oh yeah they're certainly not the worst choices given their popularity and how long it's been since either of them were available, I just think it sounds a little boring. I don't own any version of either though so who knows, maybe I'll end up getting one.

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5 hours ago, Swordy said:

…no comment.
(I genuinely forgot what the context was for the last time I said it. I only remember saying that sort of thing too often for even my own concern. Here I am now, in the same calendar year, after the double shot of an oversized diorama compilation and undersized clone vehicle both at outrageously high prices, and I’ve lost the proverbial fire to start a fire… that’ll light the flame… that’ll burn the LEGO House down.)

 

Gingerbread AT-AT is neat and wholesome. I struggle to find a reason why I’d pay $70, but I quite like it.

 

Jangbrick’s DS reveal video summed up my thoughts better than I could’ve—or would’ve on the UCS DS. To summarize, I dislike the set so much that I’m apathetic about it entirely. The concept, the design choices, then on top of it all the price are not for me.

That said, one of the few things that does actually bother me is the Hot Tub Stormtrooper; moreso this line from the minifig designer, Matty O'Neil:

“But I think we've like taken that [design from the video games] and done a more modern interpretation, perhaps, of the same thing. We wanted to stay true to the spirit, but bring it into LEGO Star Wars now, I guess you could say.
(Solid Brix Studios’ Death Star designer interview, timecode 19:09.)

In my oh so humble opinion, this completely speaks of hubris. The classic design is so beloved for a reason. No one who hasn’t played the video game will care, yes, but that’s precisely the point; the ones who will care are the ones who are familiar with the stupid thong stormies or striped one-piece ones. In trying to update it to “LEGO Star Wars now”—whatever that means—they’ve pleased no one.

And you've once more added yourself to that list.

Luckily, the Gingerbread AT-AT is only $60, which feels a lot better to me.

Yup. This stupid "updating for a more modern interpretation", with no explanation as to what that actually means, plagues just about all IP. Is there a single person who likes the inclusion of the new style hot tub trooper who wouldn't have liked the old one? The designers say they couldn't use existing dual-molded legs for the officers because of the budget, but it was worth it to create a new pair of dual-molded, printed legs for a character who didn't have them in his original version? I mean, even if you think about some of lego's "modern interpretation" changes, such as making more torsos gender-neutral, the classic stripey one-piece would have been able to be used on male or female troopers, whereas the figure in the set can only be male. I couldn't see any upside to this version when it first leaked, and I'm disappointed to see that the designers didn't seem to have an upside for changing the figure either, just the classic "modern interpretation for today's world" bantha poodoo.

5 hours ago, samsz_3 said:

making a new head, for instance, counts for more or less the same as changing the colour of legs."

It's likely that whatever it was, it was out of the designer's hands, but this doesn't make sense to me. The legs already exist in that color- it's not a recolor to do that. And the Hot Tub Trooper includes dual-molded legs when the OG version didn't.

@Meaf, I guess I agree, it's not anything particularly new and exciting and while it's been long enough that remakes are warranted, it hasn't been long enough for them to feel exciting. That said, I wouldn't blame lego for it, seeing as we haven't yet seen ANY new vehicles out of the leaked trailers and stills so far. Though I do hope that $45 may set is a gladiator arena with Rotta "The Bear" the Hutt and the other character who I don't think the trades have announced yet.

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