AD_Bricks Posted August 12 Posted August 12 6 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Two specialised TIE Fighters in such close proximity? Doubtful. Sure, we had the Bomber and Interceptor both in the 1HY of 2023, but the latter was a tie-in for Mando S3, whereas the Advanced and Avenger are both „old“ Had a new variant featured in M&G, I‘d have given that a higher chance. Disregard the blasphemer, they mean only to deceive. TIE Avenger must and will happen. Quote
TotoMagnus Posted August 12 Posted August 12 The Sketch reminds me of a Galactic Heroes X-Wing…is this Moose/Goose guy trustworthy? Can’t remember his name being mentioned in the past. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted August 12 Posted August 12 1 minute ago, AD_Bricks said: Disregard the blasphemer, they mean only to deceive. TIE Avenger must and will happen. Hey, I’m a pretty vocal advocate for a TIE Avenger set! I only blaspheme against everyone‘s favourite redhead waifu here Quote
Samppu Posted August 12 Posted August 12 14 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: I feel like anytime LEGO tries being innovative and incorporating things like smartphones AR, electric bricks etc. they end up failing miserably. People and kids genuinely don't care for those, according to my observations. We all just want good-looking, affordable sets with nice play features. A "smart brick" won't make a LEGO X-Wing any more exciting, especially when it effectively almost doubles its cost. Even if I generally enjoy and embrace novel ideas and creative visions, now that I saw the sketch even I don't think the Smart Brick thing is worth of destroying the very idea of Lego Star Wars. Or at least the original idea of roughly minifigure scaled vehicles with actual minifigures, which seem to be on the edge of going extinct under the pressure of 18+ gimmicks and now these child oriented sets... The problem you refer to why Lego's previous creative visions have miserably failed is the lack of consistency and weirdly idealized idea of what playing with toys should look like. Take for example the dreaded light-up lightsabers from the beginning of 2000s. They were inconsistent with other lightsabers and inconsistent with the idea of Lego figures, because now you could not remove and change the arms or head not to talk about to ever remove the lightsaber from the hand. In some idealized vision of very young children playing you could as an adult executive at Lego imagine that when children play they fiercely clash the figures together, press the light-up button and roar something and soon after the play session is over. In such a situation the play features like the light-up lightsabers seem reasonable. For some young children this kind of playstyle is also undoubtedly true, but it does lack the broader understanding of play, especially for older children (and personally for me as well). The actual play revolves around long and deep stories, which rather resemble epic role playing games than anything else. Often they involve serious themes and cruel and scary events, even or especially in the playing of children. What is unique about Lego is that you can really go all in for your own story. You are not limited by what instructions tell you, you can build a world of your liking and you can play a story, which excites you. In your own privacy it does not matter, if the events in your story were not approved by anyone else. Lego makes this possible, because no other toy enables creation of your own characters and world in the same way. This principle should be sacred and any new gadgets and parts should only look to broaden the possibilities, not to force your play to a preset railing approved by some world hugging psychologist in a corporate company. The laser shooters pose a successful example of this, so not all the gadgets are inherently bad. The laser shooters enabled more action or games to some of the events in your story. In space fight you could now determine the winner according to actual hits instead of imaginary ones, but the existence of the shooters did not affect your story telling and world building nor did they limit your way of using the laser shooters themselves. If you wanted to create a violent and even sadistic scene, they were there to enable some concretia to it for you, not preventing you from doing it in the first place. If the Smart Brick gets this idea right, I can see it as a win, especially if you could code e.g. your own sound effects to it. E.g. a TIE bomber roaring when you tilt it down for a bombing run would be a cool feature, which would add something to playing out still your own story. But if the Smart Brick, as I am now becoming afraid of, is some sort of preset collection of psychologist approved features only compatible with some special electronic minifigures incompatible with all of the other figures, it quickly becomes boring by trying to rail the story of your play. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted August 12 Posted August 12 4 minutes ago, Samppu said: […] preset collection of psychologist approved features […] As a psychologist myself, I‘m not sure whether I should be offended or not Seriously though, I can see some potential here! It‘s gonna be interesting to see what the smart brick can actually do. It clearly won‘t replace traditional sets though, as some seem to fear. The cost alone would be astronomical. Quote
Samppu Posted August 12 Posted August 12 6 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: As a psychologist myself, I‘m not sure whether I should be offended or not Seriously though, I can see some potential here! It‘s gonna be interesting to see what the smart brick can actually do. It clearly won‘t replace traditional sets though, as some seem to fear. The cost alone would be astronomical. Don't be. As a cognitive scientist any mockery from me towards psychologists would be like a soccer player mocking a basketballer that it is silly to run after a ball. And even if I see risk, I too also see a lot of potential with dynamic sound effects, if the Smart Brick really can enable such things. TIE-bomber roaring when tilted. The alarm system of an Imperial base going on if a minifigure enters a forbidden area. A big monster like rancor roaring when moved. A vehicle making an explosion sound when hit to the right spot. Jabba's mumbling door droid, which would actually speak when activated! Cantina band playing as an effect to opening door to the cantina. Millenium Falcon engines making the lighting up sound, when you make the fix suggested by Threepio. The ghost of a forgone sith lord laughing at his tomb. Quote
MKJoshA Posted August 12 Author Posted August 12 To summarize some more of my thoughts regarding the Death Star, it may be "worth" $1000 going by just piece count and number of figures. But it doesn't look like it's worth $1000. When the Millennium Falcon came out as the most expensive Lego set ever it looked and felt like it was worth holding that status. It was worthy of the price tag. The Death Star set is not. Quote
Kaijumeister Posted August 12 Posted August 12 (edited) I can definitely see the potential behind the Smart Brick even if a lot of Lego’s electronic / app integrated products haven’t been great. At least that somewhat explains the absurd prices behind the X-Wing and TIE Advanced. Presumably the minifigures will also have some electronic components inside their torsos. On that note, not getting a TIE Avenger majorly sucks. Also seems like a missed opportunity not waiting until 2027 to provide the definitive system-scaled versions of the X-Wing and TIE Advanced and instead rushing out deformed looking versions next year simply to integrate the Smart Brick. I would love to see some creative and novel building techniques used for Star Wars ships the way the Speed Champions sets are done. All in all, 1HY26 continues to look like an absolute borefest. Hoping the TMaG sets break that mould but even so, getting another Razor Crest and AT-AT is hardly exciting (assuming they’re pipelined given their prominence in the trailers that have been released so far). Edited August 12 by Kaijumeister Quote
CF Mitch Posted August 12 Posted August 12 On 8/11/2025 at 12:04 PM, MKJoshA said: It looks like a great set. But there is 0% chance I would ever pay $1000 for that. Pretty much this, for me as well I'm also kinda missing the room with a hot tub for the Hot Tub Trooper Regards, Mitch Quote
EvanHnuel Posted August 12 Posted August 12 32 minutes ago, CF Mitch said: I'm also kinda missing the room with a hot tub for the Hot Tub Trooper It's most certainly hidden - there are many play features if you look closely where it will likely hide. See where the RA-7 droid is walking.. Quote
Lordhelmet Posted August 12 Posted August 12 11 minutes ago, EvanHnuel said: It's most certainly hidden - there are many play features if you look closely where it will likely hide. See where the RA-7 droid is walking.. I am wondering how many play features this will have. I keep spotting things that could be controls for different features. It would be cool if each scene had one or two play features - reminds me a bit of the Indiana Jones Diorama. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted August 12 Posted August 12 9 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Again, it‘s not that they were hyping up a remake that‘s the issue, but doing so while everyone was expecting something else It‘s like hyping up a Superman comic set knowing full well people want movie sets, for instance. Not unreasonable, but definitely not reading the room properly. I think with both of these it's less "not reading the room properly" and more you projecting too much of what you personally want onto what the leakers are saying. I think plenty of people would be very excited for a comic superman set because we tend to almost exclusively get batman stuff. Unless there was anything implying they were movie sets (especially since the movie wasn't exactly a box office smash hit), or it was an andor set, I think you just have to realize that leakers may not be exclusively excited for the specific set ideas you would want. 9 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said: I was thinking the Battle of Peridea was something to go off of. There’s no way that set was in development before the last 2 episodes of Ahsoka released. I'm not actually so sure about that. We as fans knew about the night troopers (albiet as "kintsugi troopers"), Thrawn, Morgan with a spirit sword, Ahsoka the White, Ezra using "force karate", etc I want to say like a year before the show released. I think it's more likely this was in the works beforehand and scheduled to release after the show due to being a "spoiler" set. I also just don't think that lego would have rushed a set to production so fast for Ahsoka- while I liked the show, there's no evidence it was a baby yoda or NWH level moneymaker, so I can't see lego getting a set for it out within a year when No Way Home took them 1.5. 9 hours ago, brimbolet said: My goodness, it's a pumped up 4+ X-Wing... wrong cockpit and totally wrong shape if the sketch is accurate... for 70 or 100$ Honestly the worst thing in SW isn't even the price increase, but the feeling that with each set the design quality is getting worse and worse, wrong proportions, lack of play functions, etc... Yeah, this is remarkably bad. The specific parts used let us get an idea of the size, and it's a (generously) $40 set with a brick they're claiming is $60 of tech. And honestly, even if whatever they're putting in that brick really costs that much, it's still a bad idea for a set. 5 hours ago, ArrowBricks said: today’s children do love technology more than their imagination so it seems. The thing is, I've worked with kids a fair bit, I don't think this is true. It's just that lego's market research team THINKS it's true. 2 hours ago, MKJoshA said: To summarize some more of my thoughts regarding the Death Star, it may be "worth" $1000 going by just piece count and number of figures. But it doesn't look like it's worth $1000. When the Millennium Falcon came out as the most expensive Lego set ever it looked and felt like it was worth holding that status. It was worthy of the price tag. The Death Star set is not. This is a great way of wording it, and what I was trying to say with the "it doesn't look like the flagship of the theme". It's sort of a diorama/art set, it doesn't feel like something that should be $1000, even if the value is quantitatively there. Quote
Rwbricks Posted August 12 Posted August 12 I would have thought that they would save an X-wing and Tie Advanced for 2027, seeing as that’s the 50-year anniversary of Star Wars, but I guess not. Unless they make them again, considering we just got an X-wing last year. For the smart brick, it could be a cool gimmick, but as of right now, it’s not worth the price increase, especially as $10 more gets you a Tie fighter, too. However, this is LEGO Star Wars. Maybe the X-wing was originally priced at $90 for 584 pieces and the brick just bumped it up $10. I will say, though, I am intrigued as to how two smart bricks being played with each other (like one in an X-wing and one in a Tie fighter) would interact. There were some neat ideas suggested in this thread that child me would have loved. Quote
Llewop Posted August 12 Posted August 12 (edited) I keep forgetting to convert $ to £. how much is the Death Star going to be in £? Forgive my nativity for economics I never normally care about other currencies apart from the one I use (pound sterling) I know it won’t happen but if it is the equivalent of the US price $1000 then it would be £750 which doesn’t make it sound as bad but still a lot. But then if Lego price it at like £900 or £950 then surely Americans are getting a better deal which again don’t make sense to me? I’ve never really care enough about other prices in other countries to see if it’s all the same or do different countries have to pay more for the same set with different rrp? also remember that all US prices are at least 10-20% inflated because of tariffs but that still doesn’t rule out Lego corporate greed. Edited August 12 by Llewop Quote
Lobot Posted August 12 Posted August 12 24 minutes ago, Llewop said: I keep forgetting to convert $ to £. how much is the Death Star going to be in £? Forgive my nativity for economics I never normally care about other currencies apart from the one I use (pound sterling) I know it won’t happen but if it is the equivalent of the US price $1000 then it would be £750 which doesn’t make it sound as bad but still a lot. But then if Lego price it at like £900 or £950 then surely Americans are getting a better deal which again don’t make sense to me? I’ve never really care enough about other prices in other countries to see if it’s all the same or do different countries have to pay more for the same set with different rrp? From memory, LEGO's pricing across different countries isn't always 100% consistent. However, the new UCS Death Star should be around £850 in the UK based on the US/UK pricing of other current sets. For example, Jabba's Sail Barge, Avengers Tower and Rivendell are all $500/£430, so with a bit of downward 'tidying' £850 seems logical as a price point... However, the sceptic in me thinks it will be £900 (for maximum profit); although LEGO actually lowered the price of the UCS AT-AT after it was heavily criticised within the fan community (but they increased again shortly afterwards!) so it will be interesting if the muted reaction to the Death Star will be sufficient for them to have a re-think! Quote
Llewop Posted August 12 Posted August 12 15 minutes ago, Lobot said: From memory, LEGO's pricing across different countries isn't always 100% consistent. However, the new UCS Death Star should be around £850 in the UK based on the US/UK pricing of other current sets. For example, Jabba's Sail Barge, Avengers Tower and Rivendell are all $500/£430, so with a bit of downward 'tidying' £850 seems logical as a price point... However, the sceptic in me thinks it will be £900 (for maximum profit); although LEGO actually lowered the price of the UCS AT-AT after it was heavily criticised within the fan community (but they increased again shortly afterwards!) so it will be interesting if the muted reaction to the Death Star will be sufficient for them to have a re-think! I’ve just never thought about it as with the cheaper sets the price difference isn’t that much but obviously the higher the price the more difference there is between £ and $ if your converting it exactly. 850 and when Argos and Smyths get hold of it and knock a third off on big sales I might actually be tempted to get one I do genuinely like the design from what I’ve seen just don’t like the price. But haven’t seen a single person admit to saying it’s a good price yet. I think if there is anyone who does they are not brave enough to say it lol Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted August 12 Posted August 12 3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: I think with both of these it's less "not reading the room properly" and more you projecting too much of what you personally want onto what the leakers are saying. It‘s not just me though, people on EB and other platforms have been cheering for a TIE Avenger ever since the Andor S2 trailers came out. Way to dismiss poor @CloneCommando99‘s valiant efforts! I don‘t recall anyone openly asking for a new TIE Advanced before I foolishly brought up the idea recently, at least not as much as other set ideas. Yeah, I admit I was reading too much into it in hindsight, but still. A lot of leakers frequent this forum, and there‘s no way they could‘ve missed our discussions over the last couple of months. Quote
Llewop Posted August 12 Posted August 12 3 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: It‘s not just me though, people on EB and other platforms have been cheering for a TIE Avenger ever since the Andor S2 trailers came out. Way to dismiss poor @CloneCommando99‘s valiant efforts! I don‘t recall anyone openly asking for a new TIE Advanced before I foolishly brought up the idea recently, at least not as much as other set ideas. Yeah, I admit I was reading too much into it in hindsight, but still. A lot of leakers frequent this forum, and there‘s no way they could‘ve missed our discussions over the last couple of months. An advanced was inevitable it was the only TIE that hadn’t been shrunk in recent years. I just assumed they’d do it as the GWP or it would be a mini build for the Death Star. It is just crazy how much they marketed the avenger for it to get nothing from Lego. Don’t think there has been a ship feature so prominently in trailers and build up and not get the Lego treatment (I’m sure there has been but I can’t remember that far back). Question for everyone with long memories now that we’ve seen the pics for the Death Star am I the only one that thinks it sounds like a lot of what the rumors where hinting at for the cal kestis set last year before it became a ISD? Someone could have seen some prelims like in the big 2022/3 prelim leak and just got the wrong info on what it really was? Either that or it’s just a big coincidence or my only personal theory is that one of the designers of the Death Star set was reading how much we all wanted a Death Star play set and made it happen and now we hate it for the price :D Quote
icm Posted August 12 Posted August 12 To be fair, the TIE Interceptor from Mandalorian season 3 in 2023 wasn't downsized. It's still a "big" TIE. We never got a TIE Whisper from TROS either (Kylo's ship), which appeared much more prominently in the trailers and in the finished movie than the TIE Dorito that we did get. Quote
brimbolet Posted August 12 Posted August 12 Wouldn't be surprised if there was an agreement with Disney that Lego is allowed to make only one system set for Andor, and they decided to make the U-Wing. K2so falls into the buildable character category. Quote
lowlead Posted August 12 Posted August 12 With regard to the smart brick and LEGO's history of dabbling in gimmicky tech, I've always been skeptical. Then Soundwave hit the streets with its sound brick sporting 20+ samples from the Transformers world - specifically Soundwave's iconic voice. I must admit this changed my mind quickly, in that it took an already stellar set to the next level of perceived value. Perhaps miniaturization and no reliance on an app (that's destined to fade away with time) might give this latest round some staying power with respect to light, sound, interactive play, etc... My inner kid would most likely be very excited for a SW vehicle that makes sounds, light and who knows what else. Cautiously optimistic - let's see what they accomplish with it. Quote
ForgedInLego Posted August 12 Posted August 12 DS looks kinda cool. But even besides the price I don't really have much desire to have it in my house. Really i just like the hangar section. At the very least someone's gonna make an interesting speed build video Quote
VBBN Posted August 12 Posted August 12 Having a fully enclosed gray ball would be boring no doubt, but it would also make the most sense to add to an existing shelf of UCS sets. You could easily add in some panels that can open to reveal interior scenes; or, have gone the half sphere route, allowing you to either display an interior cross section, or the exterior half, best of both worlds. When I saw photos of this set for the first time, I thought that was the route they had gone; because surely, 9k pieces would have been enough to accomplish that, but seems I was quite wrong. what I see here isn’t necessarily an ugly piece; I quite love the concept of cross sections and have some books from the Star Wars universe that explore that very concept, from vehicles to notable locations. But this is likely the only DS that will grace our shelves for a long time to come, and they’ve chosen something that doesn’t at all feel like it can live alongside your other Star Wars sets without seeming quite out of place. It’s neat, but in no reality is it $1k neat. Nor does it feel special or grand enough to be THE $1k lego set. It’s not nearly the same level of awe inspiring that the Falcon conveyed when it came out; how does this set revolutionize what’s possible in Lego other than being obscenely expensive? I’m quite involved in the high end collectible fandom, pieces like Sideshow, Prime 1, Hot Toys etc that very commonly have products that cross over the $1k price tag, many cases far exceeding that - and while expensive, the pieces absolutely exemplify that value, with unparalleled materials, details, and artistry that place them leagues above other products. But this set does not; it’s just a big LEGO set. It’s uninspiring in design compared to many LEGO sets at a smaller scale. It offers nothing but size, and the consistent issue of overvalued mini figures. In fact - I’d say that as the price of sets increases, the value in said sets decreases from the “playability of Lego” perspective. I’m happy to buy a cheap set and eventually cannibalize it for pieces. But why would I ever do that for a set of this size and price? It’s either going to take up an enormous amount of space on my shelf and gather dust, or I’m going to sell it; parting it down would just be a waste in reality, IMO. Anyway, I’ll gather more thoughts on specific details when more photos are out. Quote
Lordhelmet Posted August 12 Posted August 12 2 hours ago, Llewop said: Question for everyone with long memories now that we’ve seen the pics for the Death Star am I the only one that thinks it sounds like a lot of what the rumors where hinting at for the cal kestis set last year before it became a ISD? Someone could have seen some prelims like in the big 2022/3 prelim leak and just got the wrong info on what it really was? Either that or it’s just a big coincidence or my only personal theory is that one of the designers of the Death Star set was reading how much we all wanted a Death Star play set and made it happen and now we hate it for the price :D I thought this too, happy you brought it up. It is interesting because we talked about things like the Kenner playset with the elevator, the scene with the briefing room was brought up and I think maybe a hangar. My thought is that at some point in the design phases they had a smaller Death Star playset to scale against Yavin. At some point in the process that idea was scrapped but influenced the UCS set. Obviously no way to prove this but curious if there was some crossover ideas around it. A smaller version like Kenner would have been cool in the $200 range. Quote
Flawless Cowboy Posted August 12 Posted August 12 22 minutes ago, VBBN said: while expensive, the pieces absolutely exemplify that value, with unparalleled materials, details, and artistry that place them leagues above other products. Hot Toys uses flakey, deteriorating faux leather that has a shorter shelf life than early 00’s Lego stickers. Quote
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