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[BrickPrick]

4 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I mostly agree with your take, except for this part. Andor is still very clearly about good vs evil, since the Empire is arguably the most evil we’ve ever seen it on screen. Less moustache-twirly than blowing up a planet just to make a point or frying enemies with force lighthing while cackling maniacally, but still unambiguously evil in its actions and the coldness with which they are planned and conducted.

Also, there is nothing wrong with good vs evil storytelling. I don’t like stories where everyone’s a morally dubious douchebag 

Yes, it's obviously still about the big evil empire against the small courageous rebellion, but presented less in a black and white fashion. And yep, the Empire is the most evil we ever witnessed them on screen. We may perceive it this way due to the visually intensive presentation. So, what happened in Episode 8 (one day short of spoiling stuff) comes across as more evil than blowing up an entire planet and wiping out the maker knows how many lives all at once. On screen it is the worst, in universe it is not. 

It shows the many compromisses that must have been made along the way. The establishment of the rebellion, despite all their good intentions, took quite a toll and had big consequences for everyone involved. Andor, while a good guy at heart, has to do some morally questionable things to archive his goals. He clearly ain't your average hero from a fairytale that we got before. Sure, we already knew this from Rogue One. But Andor, thanks to the medium as well, goes much more in-depth with all that.

Oh, there is nothing wrong with good vs. evil storytelling. Otherwise i would never have gotten into Star Wars in the first place. It's just whenever Star Wars tried something else, it was usually... not the greatest thing in the world. But Andor dares to be different and it works wonderfully. It also has that Spy/Espionage vibe to it an earlier Rogue One trailer gave away as well. But due to reshoots, there wasn't much left in the final cut of the movie. Now it basically went full circle. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 07:10 PM by BrickPrick

[Mandalorianknight]

21 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

Even if cloth kamas are back, Rex and Fives' legs are already compromised without any chance of redemption... 

To be fair cloth kamas would cover the kama printing on their legs, wouldn't they?

7 hours ago, MKJoshA said:

Interesting, I hadn't heard any of that behind the scenes info yet. To me Ghorman came across more like an Eastern European country than France. But now I'll have to re-watch the episodes with France in mind.

If Lego can give us literal Zombie Stormtroopers, they can give us the Ghorman plaza as a set. My kids would have far less trouble with Stormtroopers being bad guys and shooting civilians than with zombies. I actually skipped the reanimation scenes in Ahsoka when we watched it together as a family.

I haven't been to either, so you've got more experience there, but it's what the behind-the-scenes interviews and articles are saying.

Actually, I'm not sure. (I mean for one thing we'd never get a Ghorman Plaza set just because it'd be a fairly uninteresting/play feature-less build unless it was MASSIVE, and the scene is dependent upon being packed to the brim with figures lego wouldn't give us nearly enough of, but I know your point isn't the literal set feasibility but more the appropriateness.) Zombie Stormtroopers are a fantasy concept- they might be too scary for younger kids, but most kids within lego's intended age range know zombie stormtroopers aren't real, and they're presented in a fantastical setting- peridea is described in the show as something out of a fairytale. The stormtroopers and KX droids are the only bits of sci-fi or fantastic flair to the plaza scenes, which also include plenty of more realistic or graphic violence, plenty of blood on people, an unhelmeted human shooting another unhelmeted human in the side of the head, a woman ragdolling into the ground and a close-up of her lifeless corpse, and a human hurting and choking his wife in a scenario where his wife is the bad guy, which is not something I'd want to show kids unless they were able to understand that even though Dedra is a bad guy in the show and Syril is angry she's hurting innocents, you should never, ever do that in real life.

That said, while I think this is the most graphic we've seen any of that, most of it's been in star wars before- I don't think any of the Ghorman arc would particularly rule out andor sets on a maturity level. (Not that there aren't other things- again on the topic of fantasy vs realistic violence, nobody has issues with people cosplaying Vader, a guy who killed a bunch of kids- or even specifically Knightfall Anakin-, but I think there'd be a lot of controversy if someone showed up to celebration dressed as Lieutenant Krole, because even though they're both bad guys, the specifics of what they did and how the scenes played out are very different.) I still don't think we'd see set coverage though, simply because I don't think kids would be very interested in Andor and there's not really anything from the Ghorman arc that'd lend itself well to an 18+ set.

51 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I mostly agree with your take, except for this part. Andor is still very clearly about good vs evil, since the Empire is arguably the most evil we’ve ever seen it on screen. Less moustache-twirly than blowing up a planet just to make a point or frying enemies with force lighthing while cackling maniacally, but still unambiguously evil in its actions and the coldness with which they are planned and conducted.

Also, there is nothing wrong with good vs evil storytelling. I don’t like stories where everyone’s a morally dubious douchebag 

I mean, every show is good vs evil in some capacity, he's saying it's not black and white. Obviously in the larger terms the rebels are good and the empire's bad, but there's a lot of in-between. (We're a week in and talking about the Ghorman Massacre so I think it's OK to say this) Syril, for instance, is a pretty complex character. He's not actually fully affiliated with the empire until he becomes an ISB field agent, and when we find that out we also see he's somewhat conflicted about causing harm to the Ghormans. In the end he clearly figures it out and nearly kills Dedra over what she's done, seeming like he's becoming a rebel/"good guy", but while trying to figure out what to do, runs into the main protagonist- from his perspective essentially the boogeyman who's been haunting him for years popping in to go "hey your wife is committing false flag attacks but also there were outside agitators like me" and dies trying to kill our main protagonist. Syril isn't really a clear cut good guy or bad guy. Saw and Luthen are on the side of the good guys, but do some pretty "bad guy" things. I don't believe it's happened in the show yet but we know Saw is a guy who has absolutely zero issue murdering civilians. As I believe you've pointed out before, our main protagonist starts the show off by shooting an unarmed and pleading man in the head. We know in RO he kills one of his own informants. The rebels are good and the empire's bad but there's plenty of morally dubious stuff going on on both sides.

[MKJoshA]

3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Actually, I'm not sure. (I mean for one thing we'd never get a Ghorman Plaza set just because it'd be a fairly uninteresting/play feature-less build unless it was MASSIVE, and the scene is dependent upon being packed to the brim with figures lego wouldn't give us nearly enough of, but I know your point isn't the literal set feasibility but more the appropriateness.) Zombie Stormtroopers are a fantasy concept- they might be too scary for younger kids, but most kids within lego's intended age range know zombie stormtroopers aren't real, and they're presented in a fantastical setting- peridea is described in the show as something out of a fairytale. The stormtroopers and KX droids are the only bits of sci-fi or fantastic flair to the plaza scenes, which also include plenty of more realistic or graphic violence, plenty of blood on people, an unhelmeted human shooting another unhelmeted human in the side of the head, a woman ragdolling into the ground and a close-up of her lifeless corpse, and a human hurting and choking his wife in a scenario where his wife is the bad guy, which is not something I'd want to show kids unless they were able to understand that even though Dedra is a bad guy in the show and Syril is angry she's hurting innocents, you should never, ever do that in real life.

Those are good points. I should clarify that the difference is while I let my kids watch Ahsoka (with one scene skipped) I won't buy them the zombie set. On the other hand, I won't let them watch Andor Season 2, but I would buy them a set from it. The difference being, removed from the full context, one set would give them nightmares and the other wouldn't.

[BrickBob Studpants]

3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I mean, every show is good vs evil in some capacity, he's saying it's not black and white.

I’d argue it still mostly is, because we clearly know which side everyone’s on, and unapologetically so (one spoilery exception aside). Sure, Saw and Luthen are more extreme than the rest of the rebels and they both did heinous things, so there of course is some moral greyness involved, but you still don’t question for a second whether they’re on the right side of the conflict (again, because of how clearly evil the Empire is). 

Also, we’ve had plenty of moral greyness in SW before. Han shot Greedo, Chopper is a psychopathic war criminal, we had entire episodes of TCW, TBB, and TotJ/E/U focussed on morally ambiguous characters or straight on bad guy vs worse guy stories even. Anti-heroes and anti-villains are pretty common in SW in general

But I feel we’re getting sidetracked a little! There might be a hungry Rancor watching us!

[Llewop]

I feel like Ghorman is like a hybrid of Central European cultures. Obviously the French resistance from WW2 but swear some of the actors are German. Their names sounded more Germanic. The whole feel of the place seemed more Alpine as well. As it’s been a week now loved the 3rd arc. Lego would be silly not to at least do a generic imperial set based on Andor even if it’s not linked to it 

[BrickPrick]

Even without having to fear getting thrown into the Rancor pit, these are the last things i wanna say about Andor for now. The Ghorman - this includes the scenery and their language - are officially confirmed to be based on french people. Most casted characters are actually portrayed by french actors as well. That can't be a coincidence.

I forgot to mention... I like how Andor handles all the fan service. It never relies on that, but can stand on its own, just how it should be. Of course they let you know this is all part of the same universe. And given the timeline, you will see certain connections and have your usual easter eggs. But it doesn't throw member berries at you left and right. I feel like Rogue One alone did more than the entire first season of Andor combined. In my book, this is just fan service done right.

To be back on topic though... Yes, even without the TIE Avenger as the obvious choice, Lego would be unwise to not capitalize on Andor's success. An imperial Battle Pack or that Troop Transport thingy (similar to the Marauder) would be good gets. 

Edited Tuesday at 08:46 PM by BrickPrick

[Max_Lego]

56 minutes ago, BrickPrick said:

I feel like Rogue One alone did more than the entire first season of Andor combined. In my book, this is just fan service done right.

With such a fanbase, Star Wars will never die. A movie that directly and unambiguously spits inte the OT-established lore (be it technical or storytelling-wise moments) while masquerading as a respectful homage to ANH is so massively popular among fans - all because of said fan service. 

Lore consistency is the absolute least thing SW fans care about. Everyone cheers for Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba's cameo on Jedha, and absolutely no one cares how they got to Tatooine from there. The functionality of the Death Star, the violation of hyperspace-travelling rules, the humiliation of the Rebellion as an organisation, the insane lack of any security measures on top-secret Imperial facilities, Galen Erso's "Swiss watch" plan... Rogue One's popularity speaks for itself. Fan service is all that matters.

And they wonder why so many people start actually believing that Star Wars were stupid from the very beginning... And it makes me sad, because almost EVERYTHING in the OT made perfect sense in context.

And yes, I am perfectly fine with being banned from the forum. Sorry for typing all of this anyway 

[CloneCommando99]

1 hour ago, BrickPrick said:

To be back on topic though... Yes, even without the TIE Avenger as the obvious choice, Lego would be unwise to not capitalize on Andor's success. An imperial Battle Pack or that Troop Transport thingy (similar to the Marauder) would be good gets. 

This guy gets it.
Army Trooper and stormtrooper BP, Tie Avenger, Occupier Tank and ISB Tactical Agents’ Shuttle would all be perfect.
 

Day #21 of Tie Avenger demanding

 

(Marauder is low-key my favourite Lego imperial tank. It’s so versatile!)

39 minutes ago, Max_Lego said:

the insane lack of any security measures on top-secret Imperial facilities

I think I gave a pretty good theory about why this was the case with Eadu the last time you brought this up.

 

Otherwise, I respect your opinion. No piece of content is going to please everyone. I don’t agree with your argument though. I don’t see how Rogue One directly contradicts the lore of the OT. And if fan service is all that SW fans respond to, then how come TROS is so unpopular?

[Max_Lego]

43 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

I think I gave a pretty good theory about why this was the case with Eadu the last time you brought this up.

 

Otherwise, I respect your opinion. No piece of content is going to please everyone. I don’t agree with your argument though. I don’t see how Rogue One directly contradicts the lore of the OT. And if fan service is all that SW fans respond to, then how come TROS is so unpopular?

Thanks for understanding and sorry for offending you.

"The Empire was incompetent all along" explanation doesn't work for me. They had pretty good security measures on Endor in ROTJ. Bolvan didn't shoot the escape pod in ANH because droids are prohibited from using life pods. 3PO threatened R2 with deactivation.

It's clear Rogue One is going to contradict the OT from the very opening scene, when we see moisture vaporators on a planet covered with water. Digging a water well would've made more sense.

Also, to name a few:

1) The Death Star's exploits in RO make Taggi look like a complete idiot with his "until this battle station is fully operational, we are vulnerable" line

2) The jump into hyperspace from the surface of a planet without calculating destination coordinates makes Han Solo look like a complete idiot

3) The Rebellion's portrayal as a whole. Instead of the serious military organisation, focused on accomplishing victory in battle, we got a strange group of weirdos who cannot decide if they are fighting the Empire or not, yet are perfectly willing to kill Galen Erso for literally no reason (Imperial scientists may be very useful for the Rebellion alive)

4) There is no way the ray-shielded exhaust vent only a Jedi could hit while using the Force was a deliberate flaw, incorporated by a saboteur. Galen may have been desperate, but not to that point

...And so on...

You may disagree with my points, but I thought I should make myself more clear. Again, sorry for being off-topic. I think I made my point 

As of TROS... Honestly, I don't know why it's so unpopular (I dislike it for different reasons). Besides, popularity is rather relative

Edited Tuesday at 11:10 PM by Max_Lego

[lego the hutt]

3 hours ago, MKJoshA said:

Those are good points. I should clarify that the difference is while I let my kids watch Ahsoka (with one scene skipped) I won't buy them the zombie set. On the other hand, I won't let them watch Andor Season 2, but I would buy them a set from it. The difference being, removed from the full context, one set would give them nightmares and the other wouldn't.

I'm curious, what one scene was skipped? 

[Mandalorianknight]

3 hours ago, MKJoshA said:

Those are good points. I should clarify that the difference is while I let my kids watch Ahsoka (with one scene skipped) I won't buy them the zombie set. On the other hand, I won't let them watch Andor Season 2, but I would buy them a set from it. The difference being, removed from the full context, one set would give them nightmares and the other wouldn't.

That's fair, but I don't think that'd be what lego's worried about. I think generally lego doesn't have a problem displaying zombies- as a concept zombies have become pretty generalized and "safe"- the Ahsoka zombies or Minecraft zombies aren't at risk of being conflated with something like the Walking Dead- I guess I heard they don't call them zombies in that show but you get the point. They've shown up in a few in-house themes, too.

I think lego's less worried about kids being scared of the content in the set- they aren't going to make a set based on Krole, or the Ghorman Massacre, or Saw radicalizing Wilmon as they huff space gasoline- and more worried about parents thinking it's OK to put Andor on for their 8 year old because it's got a lego set.

If andor's popularity translated to kids, I don't think most of Andor's content would matter- if it was super popular, I'm sure they'd find a way around the krole stuff too- but at the end of the day I just don't think kids are into andor- maturity aside it's just not a show that I think would appeal much to kids- and as I've said I don't think there's much set material for the 18+ sublines either.

3 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I’d argue it still mostly is, because we clearly know which side everyone’s on, and unapologetically so (one spoilery exception aside). Sure, Saw and Luthen are more extreme than the rest of the rebels and they both did heinous things, so there of course is some moral greyness involved, but you still don’t question for a second whether they’re on the right side of the conflict (again, because of how clearly evil the Empire is). 

Also, we’ve had plenty of moral greyness in SW before. Han shot Greedo, Chopper is a psychopathic war criminal, we had entire episodes of TCW, TBB, and TotJ/E/U focussed on morally ambiguous characters or straight on bad guy vs worse guy stories even. Anti-heroes and anti-villains are pretty common in SW in general

But I feel we’re getting sidetracked a little! There might be a hungry Rancor watching us!

Nobody's arguing that that there isn't a good side or a bad side, or that there hasn't been any moral greyness in star wars before. What people are saying is that this one muddies the waters and explores moral greyness a lot more than most star wars content. (Also, I don't think we clearly do know what side Syril's on towards the end of his story, and I'd say even within the sides there are good guys and bad guys. This might be controversial, but I think despite being on the good guy's team, Saw is a bad guy. He targets civilians, he kidnaps and radicalizes people and them casts them aside when he's done with them, he's the terrorist the empire tries to paint the rebellion as. He arguably does significant damage to his own side due to that.)

Again- point being, nobody's saying this is the only time star wars has ever explored these concepts or that Andor doesn't have a general good side and bad side, we're saying it explores these topics to a greater extent than most star wars.

2 hours ago, BrickPrick said:

I forgot to mention... I like how Andor handles all the fan service.

I generally like to think I don't fall for this stuff as much, especially with how I was more cynical towards this season from the start, but my heart skipped a beat when they mentioned Ukio just from that planet's role in the Thrawn Trilogy.

2 minutes ago, Max_Lego said:

It's clear Rogue One is going to contradict the OT from the very opening scene, when we see moisture vaporators on a planet covered with water. Digging a water well would've made more sense.

I'm not going to go through this point by point, as I'm sure other people are going to, but I'll just say If I remember correctly, despite being a similar looking machine, those actually are for soil filtration due to past volcanic activity.

[BrickPrick]

4 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I’d argue it still mostly is, because we clearly know which side everyone’s on, and unapologetically so (one spoilery exception aside). Sure, Saw and Luthen are more extreme than the rest of the rebels and they both did heinous things, so there of course is some moral greyness involved, but you still don’t question for a second whether they’re on the right side of the conflict (again, because of how clearly evil the Empire is). 

Also, we’ve had plenty of moral greyness in SW before. Han shot Greedo, Chopper is a psychopathic war criminal, we had entire episodes of TCW, TBB, and TotJ/E/U focussed on morally ambiguous characters or straight on bad guy vs worse guy stories even. Anti-heroes and anti-villains are pretty common in SW in general

But I feel we’re getting sidetracked a little! There might be a hungry Rancor watching us!

Well, do you see anybody in here who argues about this stuff or says otherwise? I don't. I meany why make it this grand competition all of a sudden? While some comparisons are only natural to have in these conversations, i don't get all these "yeah, but this stuff has happened before" arguments. I am well aware this isn't exactly the first time Star Wars explores other sides of the spectrum. But we still haven't seen it in ways that Andor delivers before. That's the point, i think.

2 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

With such a fanbase, Star Wars will never die. A movie that directly and unambiguously spits inte the OT-established lore (be it technical or storytelling-wise moments) while masquerading as a respectful homage to ANH is so massively popular among fans - all because of said fan service. 

Lore consistency is the absolute least thing SW fans care about. Everyone cheers for Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba's cameo on Jedha, and absolutely no one cares how they got to Tatooine from there. The functionality of the Death Star, the violation of hyperspace-travelling rules, the humiliation of the Rebellion as an organisation, the insane lack of any security measures on top-secret Imperial facilities, Galen Erso's "Swiss watch" plan... Rogue One's popularity speaks for itself. Fan service is all that matters.

And they wonder why so many people start actually believing that Star Wars were stupid from the very beginning... And it makes me sad, because almost EVERYTHING in the OT made perfect sense in context.

And yes, I am perfectly fine with being banned from the forum. Sorry for typing all of this anyway 

Oh, i can definitely see your point of view. I don't like it either when parts of the Star Wars fanbase becomes this sorta cult who is instantly shitting their pants over a two second cameo in a trailer or something. It's like toying with a shiny object in front of a cat. Though i wouldn't go as far as to say RO contradicts ANH at it's core. 

1 hour ago, CloneCommando99 said:

This guy gets it.
Army Trooper and stormtrooper BP, Tie Avenger, Occupier Tank and ISB Tactical Agents’ Shuttle would all be perfect.
 

Day #21 of Tie Avenger demanding

 

(Marauder is low-key my favourite Lego imperial tank. It’s so versatile!)

Yeah, i think as long as it is an Andor system scale set, it would have both my curiosity and my attention. Can't wait for my personal U-Wing. 

The Marauder was one of these rock solid 40 bucks play sets. Where have those been, lately? We need them back! Feels like they basically got replaced by overpriced Jedi Starfighters for the time being.

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Nobody's arguing that that there isn't a good side or a bad side, or that there hasn't been any moral greyness in star wars before. What people are saying is that this one muddies the waters and explores moral greyness a lot more than most star wars content. (Also, I don't think we clearly do know what side Syril's on towards the end of his story, and I'd say even within the sides there are good guys and bad guys. This might be controversial, but I think despite being on the good guy's team, Saw is a bad guy. He targets civilians, he kidnaps and radicalizes people and them casts them aside when he's done with them, he's the terrorist the empire tries to paint the rebellion as. He arguably does significant damage to his own side due to that.)

Again- point being, nobody's saying this is the only time star wars has ever explored these concepts or that Andor doesn't have a general good side and bad side, we're saying it explores these topics to a greater extent than most star wars.

Yes....exactly. Written as fine as beskar armour is durable. 

 

Day #9 of asking Lego not to ruin the upcoming Clone Turbo Tank. 

[Lordhelmet]

No spoilers.  
 

Lego, can we please get more Andor sets?  Like all of them?  Could you negotiate with Disney to do an Andor based CMF line perhaps and we can MOC the rest? 

 

*Tie avenger is at the top of that list, please and thanks.

[TeddytheSpoon]

8 hours ago, Llewop said:

I feel like Ghorman is like a hybrid of Central European cultures. Obviously the French resistance from WW2 but swear some of the actors are German. Their names sounded more Germanic. The whole feel of the place seemed more Alpine as well. As it’s been a week now loved the 3rd arc. Lego would be silly not to at least do a generic imperial set based on Andor even if it’s not linked to it 

My first thought (admittedly biased, since I lived there) was Switzerland. Alpine landscape, French phonetics, slight Germanic influence as you say, wealthy place dealing in luxury goods - at least before the Empire turns up.

[MKJoshA]

8 hours ago, lego the hutt said:

I'm curious, what one scene was skipped? 

The re-animation scene when the troopers get zombie-fied. That kind of scene gives my kids nightmares. They would start seeing things moving in the shadows of their room and immediately think it's a zombie stormtrooper come to kill them.

8 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

Also, to name a few:

1) The Death Star's exploits in RO make Taggi look like a complete idiot with his "until this battle station is fully operational, we are vulnerable" line

2) The jump into hyperspace from the surface of a planet without calculating destination coordinates makes Han Solo look like a complete idiot

3) The Rebellion's portrayal as a whole. Instead of the serious military organisation, focused on accomplishing victory in battle, we got a strange group of weirdos who cannot decide if they are fighting the Empire or not, yet are perfectly willing to kill Galen Erso for literally no reason (Imperial scientists may be very useful for the Rebellion alive)

4) There is no way the ray-shielded exhaust vent only a Jedi could hit while using the Force was a deliberate flaw, incorporated by a saboteur. Galen may have been desperate, but not to that point

...And so on...

 

Stop it! You're ruining one of my favorite Star Wars films!

[Swordy]

8 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

What people are saying is that this one muddies the waters and explores moral greyness a lot more than most star wars content. (Also, I don't think we clearly do know what side Syril's on towards the end of his story, and I'd say even within the sides there are good guys and bad guys. This might be controversial, but I think despite being on the good guy's team, Saw is a bad guy. He targets civilians, he kidnaps and radicalizes people and them casts them aside when he's done with them, he's the terrorist the empire tries to paint the rebellion as. He arguably does significant damage to his own side due to that.)

As the crawl to the third episode in the Star Wars saga goes, “There are heroes and villains on both sides.” The advantage Andor has over Ep III is that the former has ten more hours with the same cast of characters than the other with its. Nonetheless, the complexities have always been there—especially with characters like Mace vs Obi-Wan, Dooku vs Grievous, even yet Vader vs Tarkin, Piett vs Motti, why just Lando Calrissian for the sake of it—but given the two hour length of each Saga film, generalizations have to occur.

Saw is absolutely an anti-villian, to use such a phrase, and post-CW has always been depicted as such; that is not the least bit controversial. Syril is a flawed individual with a good heart, a man who wishes to live a life of conscience, twisted by a sinister empire… reminds me of another tragic villain in a previous Star Wars.

9 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

That's fair, but I don't think that'd be what lego's worried about. I think generally lego doesn't have a problem displaying zombies- as a concept zombies have become pretty generalized and "safe"- the Ahsoka zombies or Minecraft zombies aren't at risk of being conflated with something like the Walking Dead- I guess I heard they don't call them zombies in that show but you get the point. They've shown up in a few in-house themes, too.

I think lego's less worried about kids being scared of the content in the set-…- and more worried about parents thinking it's OK to put Andor on for their 8 year old because it's got a lego set.

If andor's popularity translated to kids, I don't think most of Andor's content would matter- if it was super popular, I'm sure they'd find a way around the krole stuff too- but at the end of the day I just don't think kids are into andor- maturity aside it's just not a show that I think would appeal much to kids- and as I've said I don't think there's much set material for the 18+ sublines either.

Yes, they have, but TLG still remain hesitant toward zombies—ghouls, vampires, werewolves a plenty, but only a limited run CMF introduced the zombie. (Even the 3in1 Haunted House excluded them.) However, this case in SW is unique in that the zombies’ faces are covered, only the heads are truly zombified, and LEGO minifig heads aren’t all that scary anyway. (The previous zombie was Cap from, again, a CMF, right?)

That’s a good point. However, parents themselves can be discerning enough to turn off Andor once he steps in the club on Morlano. (I’m still back at Twilight getting a set, albeit an 18+ one—what’s next, Firefly?)

LSW:RtB seemed pretty keen on using Andor iconography (Tac-Pod and Narkina jumpsuits) so I wouldn’t discount the osmosis effect from the love people have for the show seeping into media kids enjoy. Regardless of that, something like the U-Wing works: a cool and well-known ship with fresh new characters from a beloved show. I know everyone keeps harping on the TIE Avenger, but that’s because it would work so well as an additional set.
Meanwhile, I’ll continue campaigning for a playscale Fondor—a midi-scale version would lack in size and obviously minifig potential, in my opinion.

10 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

Everyone cheers for Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba's cameo on Jedha, and absolutely no one cares how they got to Tatooine from there.

Not sure what theater you were in that cheered for that cameo, because—correct me if I’m wrong—everyone collectively rolled their eyes when they showed up on the Moon of Kafeero.

9 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

2) The jump into hyperspace from the surface of a planet without calculating destination coordinates makes Han Solo look like a complete idiot

3) The Rebellion's portrayal as a whole. Instead of the serious military organisation, focused on accomplishing victory in battle, we got a strange group of weirdos who cannot decide if they are fighting the Empire or not, yet are perfectly willing to kill Galen Erso for literally no reason (Imperial scientists may be very useful for the Rebellion alive)

4) There is no way the ray-shielded exhaust vent only a Jedi could hit while using the Force was a deliberate flaw, incorporated by a saboteur. Galen may have been desperate, but not to that point

As of TROS... Honestly, I don't know why it's so unpopular (I dislike it for different reasons). Besides, popularity is rather relative

K2 is a droid who could make those calculations instantaneously. The fact we never see a ship enter hyperspace in-atmosphere was a deliberate choice in the OT, as is seeing the U-Wing escape Jedha in such manner.

That’s your preference. Having a military militia is different from having military principle, especially when dealing with free-flowing, Force-believing hippies out in the jungle. As for your second point, I agree it’s an idoitic choice, but Draven is the only one who gives the order to Cassian to kill Galen, and Draven seems more brutal than the other Rebel leaders.

I always assumed “ray shielded” could just as much mean a filter system. Proton torpedoes would be the only projectile slow enough to pass through, much like the AT-ATs on Hoth. At any rate, it was the vulnerable connection from the exhaust to the reactor core that was the weakness, not the mere existence of an exhaust port altogether.

[Swordy]

Built the U-Wing over the weekend. My thoughts remain the same as when first revealed: as a $70 model of the starfighter, it’s fantastic. Sleek, elegant wingspan and a sturdily constructed hull make it easily swooshable. Cockpit is too shallow, and the lack of under view from the pilot’s perspective is disappointing. Troop capacity is abysmal—you can maybe sit K2, but adding anymore would require them thrown in there loosely—but if this is going on your shelf with your other Rebel fighters that won’t matter as much. This thing looks magnificent on display. Then again, sitting it next to the other starfighters makes it abundantly clear how small the ship is by comparison. Not that the set is too small for $70–I’d suggest waiting until it hits $60 or below if you’re not the biggest fan of Rebel ships or Andor, but $70 doesn’t feel terrible. No, this ship is criminally underscaled, and I hope that if we get a remake again someday that TLG finally gives this bird the size and scale it deserves. Nonetheless, this is a fantastic build, and one I don’t believe I’ll regret buying at full price.

Edited Wednesday at 09:08 AM by Swordy

[Max_Lego]

Alright, I think I should explain further:

12 minutes ago, Swordy said:

K2 is a droid who could make those calculations instantaneously. The fact we never see a ship enter hyperspace in-atmosphere was a deliberate choice in the OT, as is seeing the U-Wing escape Jedha in such manner.

K2 openly states he didn't finish calculations.

My main problem is not only the inconsistency between the OT and RO, but the gravity well theory, which explained hyperspace travel in the OT and was ruined by subsequent  installments. SW may be an imaginary universe, but every imaginary universe has its rules, which shouldn't be subjects of violation for the sake of storytelling.

19 minutes ago, Swordy said:

That’s your preference.

I think you missed my point. In ANH, the Rebel supreme command determined the mission and instructed the pilots. Wedge doesn't believe in the mission's success, but he understands that "a good soldier follows orders" and obeys. In RO, they have a 'council', which consists of senators, generals, droids, pilots and technicians and makes decisions based on voting (?!). One character openly expressed unwillingness to confront the Empire (?!!! Aren't you an armed opposition?!). There is a significant difference between the two portrayals.

24 minutes ago, Swordy said:

I always assumed “ray shielded” could just as much mean a filter system. Proton torpedoes would be the only projectile slow enough to pass through, much like the AT-ATs on Hoth. At any rate, it was the vulnerable connection from the exhaust to the reactor core that was the weakness, not the mere existence of an exhaust port altogether.

My point was that the exhaust vent is too well-protected and hard to hit to be a deliberate flaw. It's heavily implied in ANH that had Luke used the computer, he would've failed just like Garven Dreis. Only the Force helped him succeed. There's no way Galen Erso could seriously count on Jedi assistance 

My opinion on the new U-wing is that, despite the obvious imperfections of the 2017 model, it was still more faithful to the source material 

[BrickBob Studpants]

6 hours ago, Lordhelmet said:

Lego, can we please get more Andor sets?  Like all of them?  Could you negotiate with Disney to do an Andor based CMF line perhaps and we can MOC the rest? 

 

*Tie avenger is at the top of that list, please and thanks.

The TIE Avenger is the only set based on S2 I could actually see them producing, and even that’s kind of a stretch. It’s not spoilerific in the slightest, so they easily could’ve released it as a tie-in (heh) set this year, and the fact they didn’t is kind of telling

And if they ever did a SW CMF, Andor characters would have low priority for multiple reasons

Edited Wednesday at 09:55 AM by BrickBob Studpants

[AD_Bricks]

1 hour ago, Swordy said:

However, this case in SW is unique in that the zombies’ faces are covered, only the heads are truly zombified, and LEGO minifig heads aren’t all that scary anyway. (The previous zombie was Cap from, again, a CMF, right?)

We aren't counting Minecraft zombies, right?

[Kaijumeister]

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

The TIE Avenger is the only set based on S2 I could actually see them producing, and even that’s kind of a stretch. It’s not spoilerific in the slightest, so they easily could’ve released it as a tie-in (heh) set this year, and the fact they didn’t is kind of telling

Heh, after S2E8 even basing a set on K2 is…interesting. Although he has many more scenes as a heroic and funny character so it’s no big deal.

I’m still holding out for the TIE Avenger next year simply because it’s another cool TIE variant. Usually I’m apathetic with TIEs but I love the Avenger. 

Seeing sketches of the summer sets takes me waaay back to when this was a thing over a decade ago. It does look like Bacara will have a kama (and if so, presumably Bly will too) which is a most welcome change. Still feels so odd having all the summer pictures out now for every theme but Star Wars.

[BrickBob Studpants]

3 hours ago, Kaijumeister said:

Still feels so odd having all the summer pictures out now for every theme but Star Wars.

Not quite, the One Piece sets haven’t leaked / been revealed yet either  SW being among the last themes to be revealed is a pretty common occurrence.

Edited Wednesday at 02:44 PM by BrickBob Studpants

[Lordhelmet]

2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

The TIE Avenger is the only set based on S2 I could actually see them producing, and even that’s kind of a stretch. It’s not spoilerific in the slightest, so they easily could’ve released it as a tie-in (heh) set this year, and the fact they didn’t is kind of telling

And if they ever did a SW CMF, Andor characters would have low priority for multiple reasons

Could get a battle pack with a combination of any of the troopers we have seen (imperial or rebel or both), also the troop transport is a good option, medical bay is another good option (again rebel or coruscant). I am not counting out season one stuff from the request either which adds a bit more.  And I really just want more mini figures from the show so we can do better MOCs without customs.  
 

oh Mon Mothmas speeder would be good (could be like the eacape set we just got) and we could get another updated mon mothma minifigure

 

last and slightly related thought (and unpopular).  The downsized u wing is as good or better than the older one. It looks good, fits on a shelf, younger kids can play with it easier due to the smaller size.  The “accuracy argument for functions is minor to me as both are really inaccurate and only a UCS one could probably fix that (two in the cockpit, seating around, etc.) The accuracy comments about the engines is very true.

[Yperio_Bricks]

1 hour ago, Lordhelmet said:

And I really just want more mini figures from the show so we can do better MOCs without customs. 

This     

[BrickPrick]

11 hours ago, Lordhelmet said:

No spoilers.  
 

Lego, can we please get more Andor sets?  Like all of them?  Could you negotiate with Disney to do an Andor based CMF line perhaps and we can MOC the rest? 

 

*Tie avenger is at the top of that list, please and thanks.

Haha, not in a million years. The chances of finally getting a general Star Wars CMF series is ludicrously low (or even impossible for the time being) to begin with. And there is just no way that a hypothetical line-up would be based on Andor. I think, the best case scenario would be a hybrid line consisting of multiple Disney Plus shows, akin to the Marvel one. So Andor would get like two slots in there. But then again, at the point this even got a chance to happen, Lego would probably have moved on and be focused on different sub-themes. Not that i am the one from shying away in wishful thinking department. 

3 hours ago, Kaijumeister said:

Still feels so odd having all the summer pictures out now for every theme but Star Wars.

I am on opposite ends for this one. It would feel odd to me if Lego Star Wars wasn't for once late to the party. 

2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

SW being among the last themes to be revealed is a pretty common occurrence.

Unfortunately... yes.