Marvel Superheroes 2025 - Rumors & Discussion

[spiderfan2000]

I'd like to think the Sandman set is a Spider-Man 3 set with a Symbiote Spider-Man (maybe with a breakable water pipe build?) because it could have some synergy with the Spider-Man 2 train build we just got.

[doclord]

Comics bugle should be interesting, especially as they ran out of figures to reuse with Oscorp.

[BrickBob Studpants]

23 minutes ago, doclord said:

Comics bugle should be interesting, especially as they ran out of figures to reuse with Oscorp.

You‘d think sets within a modular system would have less minifig overlap than other sets, but that‘s far from guaranteed  We just had two big Hogwarts expansions that both feature Dumbledore! That said, there has to be at least one redesigned minifig in here. Probably only a new Carnage tho 

As for the Hulkbuster, if it‘s the AoU version I‘m okay with that since we only had one minifig-scale set before, whereas the IW one had two already and the second one cannot be topped I think.

45 minutes ago, spiderfan2000 said:

I'd like to think the Sandman set is a Spider-Man 3 set with a Symbiote Spider-Man […]

Don‘t do this, don‘t give me hope!

[calebcold3]

2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

What version of Groot could they even do besides the one from Vol 2 in the ravager suit? A carnagised version? 

This BETTER not be another Baby Groot.

If they're gonna do a buildable groot, at least give us Groot Sr. (the Groot that died in Guardians 1), Teenage Groot, or the GOTG 3 Groot.

 

1 hour ago, spiderfan2000 said:

I'd like to think the Sandman set is a Spider-Man 3 set with a Symbiote Spider-Man (maybe with a breakable water pipe build?) because it could have some synergy with the Spider-Man 2 train build we just got.

I would love that, but IDK if LEGO would put the desirable Raimi symbiote suit in a cheap set. 

Anyways, I'm glad I can save $$$ for Arkham! 

[strangely]

I'll buy the Daily Bugle if it's Raimi inspired, otherwise it's a pass.

What I would like to see is a corner building (i doubt they'd be able to replicate the angle of the Flatiron building, so I think a corner building is a good compromise). I would like to see Jameson, Betty Brant and the Green Goblin included. It would be great to be able to replicate the scene where Goblin attacks Jameson, maybe a play feature where Peter Parker can change into Spiderman.

Considering the Raimi versions of Spidey and Jameson already exist, it feels like a no trainer to have a Raimi Daily Bugle.

[JeanGreyForever]

39 minutes ago, strangely said:

I'll buy the Daily Bugle if it's Raimi inspired, otherwise it's a pass.

What I would like to see is a corner building (i doubt they'd be able to replicate the angle of the Flatiron building, so I think a corner building is a good compromise). I would like to see Jameson, Betty Brant and the Green Goblin included. It would be great to be able to replicate the scene where Goblin attacks Jameson, maybe a play feature where Peter Parker can change into Spiderman.

Considering the Raimi versions of Spidey and Jameson already exist, it feels like a no trainer to have a Raimi Daily Bugle.

That's a really good idea, for the Daily Bugle to be themed towards the Raimi films. Or at least have some minifigs that are from the Raimi films like Bully Maguire or Hoffman. I can see Eddie Brock getting reused for this set as well then.

Edited September 24 by JeanGreyForever

[spiderfan2000]

A Raimi Daily Bugle would definitely feel more distinct from the D2C set. Spidey and Jameson have existing minifigures, and I'm sure characters like Betty, Robbie, Hoffman, Peter Parker, and Eddie Brock would largely reuse existing prints, leaving most of the minifigure budget to go towards a new Green Goblin.

[Mandalorianknight]

3 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

A carnagised version? 

Anti-Venomized version. Or the prophesized Wolverized Groot.

 

It's not great, but c'mon guys, it's not the end of the world. Both the spider-man sets in this batch seem good, especially if comic or Raimi based. A small Sandman playset is great, and similarly the bugle is a good addition to this skyline series they've been doing.

Like take a step back from the fact that yes, we technically have gotten a big sandman or a big bugle before. This wave includes plenty of the usual crap (Hulkbuster doesn't bother me a ton as it's just clear it's one of those X-wing/TIEs we need to expect every few years. The buildable are more annoying as I really just can't imagine they do that well, especially the groot.

But look at the positives. We're in an era of the theme where a non-insignificant portion of sets are dedicated to civilian buildings. People always talk about all the dumb spider-vehicles, and while we're still getting a car and the gimmick mechs, spidey waves used to be ALL spider-vehicles. This wave we've got ghost rider's bike (accurately sized), a big Sandman, and a Daily Bugle. That's awesome! That's so much better than most spider-man waves, which are just collections of spider-vehicles.

2025 started that mini building trend and is resultingly better in that regard, but look at earlier years of spider-man sets (comics, not movies.):

2024: Venom bike, spider-bike, venom mech, spider-car... that's it. Every standard comic spider-man set was based on a vehicle for a spider or venom. 100% spider-vehicle rate.

2023: Miles car... and that's it. Kind of a light year for the subtheme, but also a 100% spider-car rate.

2022: Spider-mech... and once again, that's it. Another light year with a 100% spider-vehicle rate.

2021: venom buggy, Spider-mech, second spider-mech, spider-monster truck, spider-hall-of-armor, ghost rider car. 80% spider-gimmick rate (I'm counting the spider-hall of armor.)

2020: Spider-mech, crawling spider-cycle, spider-jet (AND venom mech), spider...truck of some kind?, venom crawler. 100% spider-gimmick rate. (I would give half off on the spider-truck for including a venomasaurus, which is neat, but since there's another set with both a spider-jet AND venom mech we're gonna have them cancel eachother out.)

2019: 2 spider-crawlers, spider-bike, spider-mech (with venom mech). Once again, 100% spider-gimmick rate.

 

Then you look at 2026, where yes, we have another two mechs and a car, but also a ghost rider bike, the daily bugle, and a sandman playset?  So that's what, 50/50? This is the best comic marvel sets have done... maybe ever in the "don't be stupid gimmick vehicles" respect. Sure, the infinity saga stuff is remakes, but they're doing really well with the comic sets.

1 minute ago, spiderfan2000 said:

A Raimi Daily Bugle would definitely feel more distinct from the D2C set. Spidey and Jameson have existing minifigures, and I'm sure characters like Betty, Robbie, Hoffman, Peter Parker, and Eddie Brock would largely reuse existing prints, leaving most of the minifigure budget to go towards a new Green Goblin.

It would also be the Flatiron building. Don't get your hopes up, guys.

It's pretty clearly not going to be the raimi bugle due to that. The flatiron building really can't fit into the marvel mini-modular style, which is almost 100% what this set is. 

Edited September 23 by Mandalorianknight

[JeanGreyForever]

5 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Oh, man. I don't know how much of it they shot, but the original thunderbolts movie sounded AWFUL. Taskmaster was going to be one of the main heroes, and John Walker was going to be THE VILLAIN OF THE MOVIE and TURN INTO A HULK. I'm glad they realized that people hated MCU Taskmaster and liked John and fixed those mistakes. I doubt the vault scenes were part of that, at least what we see onscreen, since taskmaster isn't there, but I wonder if that's part of why John's angrier and denser in the vault and a lot more reasonable and like his TFATWS self once they get outside.

Probably, though it's funny they literally have a female villain from the comics present who's just... Black Widow's "mom" in the movie. It is more or less the same as what they did to Deadpool back then.

Yup, oscorp would be great and has both a solid figure background and a solid amount of new figures it could have.

Those four personally have been an in-joke of mine for at least six months or so now of bringing them up (Kaine, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luna Snow) whenever mentioning Oscorp. The joke is pretending that lego has some sort of algorithm searching our posts and that by spamming those names it'll pick up on it and put them in the set. As for bigfigs, it's inarguable. Even with red hulk, he got one singular big fig in the BNW set, but a minifig in a different set that could easily just have re-used the bigfig (and even given us a new face print with the moustache and glasses). Same with the Hulk truck and Thanos. I assume it's something to do with the cost associated with them- lego's either too cheap to put bigfigs in, or the sets would legitimately just be at too high a price point. (Which I honestly am no longer sure is true. The hands, hair, and pins are essentially normal unprinted parts. The arms are a bit large but still normal pieces, and the head is printed but otherwise a medium-sized part. You have one expensive and printed piece- the body- and I SERIOUSLY doubt that it costs more than, say, twice as much as a minifig to produce, especially with someone like Rulk where there's not exactly a ton of printed detail.)

If I was going to do a semi-realistic Oscorp figure guess, going off the bugle (though with slightly more villains and fewer civilians given the location), I'd guess something like the following:

10 Re-used: 6 villains (Venom, Nu-Ultimate Goblin, Hobgoblin, Anti-Venom, Kraven), 4 heroes (Spider-Man, Wolverine, 2099,  Julia Carpenter)  - If we're getting oscorp, I would put actual money down that almost all of these will show up. To explain the slightly less likely one: Wolverine would be included to fit with deadpool, who given the bugle designer's comments and inclusion in doomsday I think at this point is a lock for the next marvel modular.

7 Civilians: Norman Osborne (Re-used), Mary Jane (Re-used), Harry Osborn, Flash Thompson, Peter Parker, Curt Conners, Miles Warren. The specific scientists may change, especially if the latter two's alter-egos show up, but I feel confident overall.

8 New: Electro, Rhino, Lizard, Deadpool, Kaine, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luna Snow. (Ok, ok. I still think Kaine works, but hypothetically instead of the other three, lego may choose to do Lizard, Scarlet Spider, and... I actually am fairly confident on a comic moon knight, seeing how many of the Marvel Knights type characters we got in the Bugle.)

Of course, this all assumes we get Oscorp at all. I think a new marvel modular is almost a lock, but it could always be something else.

I will say I was planning on getting the apartment set around christmas, but between Anti-venom being in a polybag and hobgoblin+MJ being likely if we get oscorp, I may just wait until closer to it's retirement. If they do show up in another set, I'm sure I could get the apartment build for like 15 bucks on bricklink or something.

Had no idea the original Thunderbolts was like that. Sounds completely awful between John Walker being the villain and turning into the Hulk (two films in a row with a Hulk villain) and Taskmaster being alive. I feel like Ghost was already a stretch in terms of minor characters the audiences would accept on the team so to have Taskmaster alongside her would have been even worse. Yeah, there's definitely a quality control issue in the MCU if those ideas were actually considered good.

Daredevil seems like an easy character to bring back, maybe in a new costume. His original yellow/red costume from the 60s? His black Shadowland costume? Maybe his black training outfit with the blindfold that he wore for S1 of the Netflix show? Or even a regular Matthew Murdock minifigure seems likely. I think the Marvel Knights characters from the Daily Bugle set (Blade, Punisher, Daredevil) make it likely that we can see more in an Oscorp set. Like Moon Knight as you mentioned, and maybe Elektra and Ghost Rider too. Ghost Rider's coming back in a new set so he could be easily reused and would synergize with Hobgoblin, since they first appeared together in a set. Kaine might not be a lock but I think he has a decent chance of getting a minifigure. Luna Snow might be the most unlikely of your selections. I know she's popular in the video games now but does she have any real connection to Spider-Man? I feel she'd be more likely in a regular Marvel set than an Oscorp one, since the theme doesn't fit her, although I'm not super familiar with her history.

With the Thing, I'm positive that the lack of bigfig for him wasn't because he's smaller in stature in the FF movie but just Lego not wanting to make more bigfigs. Especially when their Lego Marvel movies/shorts still feature a bigfig Thing where price clearly isn't an issue when it comes to making digital models of their minifigs. So that along with everything you said about the Red Hulk situation makes me think it's unlikely we'll get another bigfig anytime soon which may cross out Kingpin. But they're still many Daredevil-affiliated characters who could show up without him. Rhino might be an issue for that reason too, if they don't opt to make him a regular minifig.

Your choices seem pretty accurate. I think Doc Ock will be in the set, not just because of his popularity, but because he's connected to Oscorp in the Insomniac games, the Ultimate universe (from what I remember since it's been a while since I read those comics), and the ASM Garfield movies hinted at him too at the end of the second movie. Even in the Raimi films, he's a former friend of Osborn and he overall fits a lab setting.

I do think, if we're lucky, that we can get a proper 616 civilian Gwen (and one that actually looks like her rather than the mix of random parts we got for the Daily Bugle's Gwen). Partly because she's such a major part of the ASM Garfield movies where she works at Oscorp, since I'd imagine any Oscorp set would be heavily themed towards those movies which have the most popular depiction of Oscorp. Also because she's linked to the Goblin between her 616 comic death and the infamous Sins Past storyline. If Miles Warren is also in the set, since the Daily Bugle teased him, it would be even more unusual to exclude a civilian Gwen.

While I don't think they're likely, I'd like to see Mayday Parker as Spider-Girl and a Spinneret version of Mary Jane. But the main female Spider character I'd like to see is the long overdue Jessica Drew/classic Spider-Woman. She was also supposed to be in the Daily Bugle set according to the Lego designers but they weren't allowed to include her. She's been long overdue for a remake since the SDCC exclusive figure but I also think Marvel's been mostly phasing her out in favor of Spider-Gwen as the definitive Spider-Woman. Which may explain why they refuse to market her anymore, like how the Daily Bugle wasn't allowed to feature MJ because she clashed with the synergy of the MCU Michelle Jones.

That's a good idea to wait for the apartment since those minifigs will probably pop up again.

[strangely]

45 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

It would also be the Flatiron building. Don't get your hopes up, guys.

It's pretty clearly not going to be the raimi bugle due to that. The flatiron building really can't fit into the marvel mini-modular style, which is almost 100% what this set is. 

Oh, I have no expectation it'll happen. Lego doesn't have the best track record, I could 100% see this being a small, watered down version of the previous Bugle and it sucking in comparison.

However, I don't believe it being the flatiron building makes the Raimi version impossible. They could make it a corner building with a rounded corner and it would work as a simplified version of that idea. It would also make sense for them to go with a completely different inspiration for this version rather than retreading what's already been done perfectly in a previous set.

But time will tell.

[Mandalorianknight]

1 hour ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Had no idea the original Thunderbolts was like that. Sounds completely awful between John Walker being the villain and turning into the Hulk (two films in a row with a Hulk villain) and Taskmaster being alive. I feel like Ghost was already a stretch in terms of minor characters the audiences would accept on the team so to have Taskmaster alongside her would have been even worse. Yeah, there's definitely a quality control issue in the MCU if those ideas were actually considered good.

Daredevil seems like an easy character to bring back, maybe in a new costume. His original yellow/red costume from the 60s? His black Shadowland costume? Maybe his black training outfit with the blindfold that he wore for S1 of the Netflix show? Or even a regular Matthew Murdock minifigure seems likely. I think the Marvel Knights characters from the Daily Bugle set (Blade, Punisher, Daredevil) make it likely that we can see more in an Oscorp set. Like Moon Knight as you mentioned, and maybe Elektra and Ghost Rider too. Ghost Rider's coming back in a new set so he could be easily reused and would synergize with Hobgoblin, since they first appeared together in a set. Kaine might not be a lock but I think he has a decent chance of getting a minifigure. Luna Snow might be the most unlikely of your selections. I know she's popular in the video games now but does she have any real connection to Spider-Man? I feel she'd be more likely in a regular Marvel set than an Oscorp one, since the theme doesn't fit her, although I'm not super familiar with her history.

With the Thing, I'm positive that the lack of bigfig for him wasn't because he's smaller in stature in the FF movie but just Lego not wanting to make more bigfigs. Especially when their Lego Marvel movies/shorts still feature a bigfig Thing where price clearly isn't an issue when it comes to making digital models of their minifigs. So that along with everything you said about the Red Hulk situation makes me think it's unlikely we'll get another bigfig anytime soon which may cross out Kingpin. But they're still many Daredevil-affiliated characters who could show up without him. Rhino might be an issue for that reason too, if they don't opt to make him a regular minifig.

Your choices seem pretty accurate. I think Doc Ock will be in the set, not just because of his popularity, but because he's connected to Oscorp in the Insomniac games, the Ultimate universe (from what I remember since it's been a while since I read those comics), and the ASM Garfield movies hinted at him too at the end of the second movie. Even in the Raimi films, he's a former friend of Osborn and he overall fits a lab setting.

I do think, if we're lucky, that we can get a proper 616 civilian Gwen (and one that actually looks like her rather than the mix of random parts we got for the Daily Bugle's Gwen). Partly because she's such a major part of the ASM Garfield movies where she works at Oscorp, since I'd imagine any Oscorp set would be heavily themed towards those movies which have the most popular depiction of Oscorp. Also because she's linked to the Goblin between her 616 comic death and the infamous Sins Past storyline. If Miles Warren is also in the set, since the Daily Bugle teased him, it would be even more unusual to exclude a civilian Gwen.

While I don't think they're likely, I'd like to see Mayday Parker as Spider-Girl and a Spinneret version of Mary Jane. But the main female Spider character I'd like to see is the long overdue Jessica Drew/classic Spider-Woman. She was also supposed to be in the Daily Bugle set according to the Lego designers but they weren't allowed to include her. She's been long overdue for a remake since the SDCC exclusive figure but I also think Marvel's been mostly phasing her out in favor of Spider-Gwen as the definitive Spider-Woman. Which may explain why they refuse to market her anymore, like how the Daily Bugle wasn't allowed to feature MJ because she clashed with the synergy of the MCU Michelle Jones.

That's a good idea to wait for the apartment since those minifigs will probably pop up again.

Yeah, I'm glad they saw the way the wind was blowing and changed it. John's a lot of people's favorite post-endgame character, and I think making him the villain would have lost marvel even more fans, rather than drawing them back in. I know I wouldn't have taken the chance on F4 had Thunderbolts not blown me away- if they'd really made John a bad guy I think I'd have been done with the MCU permanently.

I was thinking just a dark red Frank Miller suit, but Miller's training outfit (the one we see in that made-for-tv Hulk movie, as well as the netflix show) would be awesome as well, and would only require a new face print rather than legs or even a torso. Moon Knight I think is pretty likely belonging to that corner of the universe, and I can't believe I didn't catch Ghost Rider. I'd be surprised if he didn't show up in Oscorp- might give us a side build, too. Kaine feels pretty likely. And yes, of course Luna Snow has no connection to spider-man and isn't really realistic for the bugle. That's just part of the joke of me always putting some figures I want (Kaine, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luna Snow) when talking about Oscorp- I don't legitimately think she'd be in the set.

I agree on the first part, but I also think they'd have no issue just making Kingpin a minifigure. In everything but spider-verse he's a good deal smaller than Hulk or Thanos or even F4's Thing. Same with Rhino- I'm sure we'll just see a regular minifigure of him if he comes in the set, like they did in the Disney Junior set with Hulk.

Yeah, that's true. My list was a bit optimistic in terms of re-using desirable exclusives when we will probably still get the standard ock and goblin rather than desirable variants like Nu-Ultimate or rarer villains like Kraven.

I think Gwen's possible, especially if they're trying to up the figure count, but I certainly don't think her death or Sins Past would count TOWARDS the likelihood of her being in the set. If anything I think they'd hold her back from it.

Those would be nice as well.

33 minutes ago, strangely said:

Oh, I have no expectation it'll happen. Lego doesn't have the best track record, I could 100% see this being a small, watered down version of the previous Bugle and it sucking in comparison.

However, I don't believe it being the flatiron building makes the Raimi version impossible. They could make it a corner building with a rounded corner and it would work as a simplified version of that idea. It would also make sense for them to go with a completely different inspiration for this version rather than retreading what's already been done perfectly in a previous set.

But time will tell.

Unfortunately, I don't think you are going to get anywhere close to the actual shape of the flatiron. It's shaped top-down like a thin pie slice, and if you want any sort of usable interior space inside, it'd essentially end up as a slightly rounded rectangle rather than something resembling the flatiron building. I just don't see why lego would intentionally limit the figures they could put in the set and make what would have to be a super-deformed design when they could just do a generic version, wouldn't have to fill 80% of the figs with civilians, and could add their classic vehicle side builds for kids.

Not to mention that it being a comic-book inspired set wouldn't be an issue at all, or mean that it's going to just be a scaled-down version of the 2021 modular. The bugle's had plenty of different looks in the comics, our last system bugle was in 2012, and a lot of people don't have the money or space for a $350 set (which is a shame- it's probably my favorite marvel set, and I love having physical minifigs of Daredevil and Punisher). A new comic bugle is a better change at more new characters or versions, compared to the Raimi bugle, which could get us Raimi Goblin and... civilians that would be re-used parts.

[strangely]

Sigh, I'm not suggesting they try to recreate the angle in a $100 set. I'm just saying a squared building with an angled corner would be a close enough facsimile to represent it for a set at that price point.

I'm not even expecting the set to actually be Raimi inspired, just stating that's the only scenario where Lego convinces me to buy a 3rd Daily Bugle.

As for the figures being limited because of it being Raimi inspired, I would like to point out Aunt May and Jameson in the Raimi train set. Neither characters were in that scene, Aunt May isn't even wearing an outfit she wore in that movie. I think Lego will make whatever comprises they want to in order to fill out a set and make it marketable.

Edited September 24 by strangely

[Coryo]

Putting aside the shaping and angle of the Raimi Bugle, it's possible that there might be licensing issues with the Flatiron Building that would prevent Lego from recreating it too blatantly. However this wouldn't prevent Raimi characters from showing up, considering Oscorp included minifigures from a mix of different universes (Earth-6160 Goblin, Sonyverse Eddie Brock). I have no doubt that the JJJ figure from the recent Spider-Man 2 train set will be re-used, since he looks identical to the billboard in Peter Parker's apartment. Dafoe's Green Goblin seems far less likely though, he would require a dedicated new mold for the helmet, and several new prints for the torso and legs. I imagine Lego may want to conserve the minifigure budget for the Brand New Day and Doomsday waves.

Movie-based or not, hopefully the Sandman set includes him as a regular minifig.

4 hours ago, DaredevilFan said:

If the Bugle comes with side builds like Oscorp one could be Fogwells gym. That would be a great way to include Daredevil and Kingpin.

If they were to include a side build, I'd guess it would either be the F.E.A.S.T. HQ with Aunt May and possibly Martin Li, or the Coffee Bean with Harry Osborn.

At some point I would also like to see some sort of bank heist set in this mini-modular style, the Homecoming set fits decently alongside them with a little modification, but a larger one with a villain like Shocker would be ideal.

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

But look at the positives. We're in an era of the theme where a non-insignificant portion of sets are dedicated to civilian buildings. People always talk about all the dumb spider-vehicles, and while we're still getting a car and the gimmick mechs, spidey waves used to be ALL spider-vehicles. This wave we've got ghost rider's bike (accurately sized), a big Sandman, and a Daily Bugle. That's awesome! That's so much better than most spider-man waves, which are just collections of spider-vehicles.

[...]

Then you look at 2026, where yes, we have another two mechs and a car, but also a ghost rider bike, the daily bugle, and a sandman playset?  So that's what, 50/50? This is the best comic marvel sets have done... maybe ever in the "don't be stupid gimmick vehicles" respect. Sure, the infinity saga stuff is remakes, but they're doing really well with the comic sets.

Totally agree, I've always preferred buildings and location sets to random made-up vehicles, so the new direction they've been taking is ideal for me, I get that the new Bugle set may not interest anyone who already owns the D2C version, but a smaller-scale version is a solid choice to add to the street line-up. Between the mini-modulars, Fantastic Four, Quinjet, SM2 train set, and dedicated Spider-Verse CMF, this may be my favourite year for the theme in a while, possibly since the Infinity War wave. I'm pretty optimistic about next year as well, I'm expecting a really strong tie-in wave for Brand New Day, since Lego likely trusts Spider-Man merch to perform well, and the filmmakers don't seem to be overly secretive about who is appearing, unlike previous MCU movies.

 

Although, another buildable Groot are we fr 

The leakers would have mentioned if any of these had smart brick integration right? Are we safe?

[brickbride]

On 9/22/2025 at 6:34 AM, Mandalorianknight said:

I will say, though, it's definitely not motherly feelings Yelena has for Bob. Aside from them being about the same age, while I don't think it's explicitly shown, I thought it was implied that they had a romantic connection.

Yikes I hope not. Sure they're the same age but the vibe I got from her was a lot more "Awww, you're a cute little lost puppy, let me protect you" than "I can imagine you as a partner on equal standing with me".

On 9/23/2025 at 8:24 AM, JeanGreyForever said:

I think Marvel felt that for Black Widow, they needed a female villain.

Honestly that's part of the MCU's problem. Marvel still like to pretend for the most part that women do not exist (other than in a supporting role or as Someone's Daughter to be Treasured and Protected and be Worthy of), and then every once in a while they give us a "female" and "inclusive" movie with a female protagonist and also a female antagonist like "Black Widow", "The Marvels", or "Thunderbolts". The only "regular" Marvel movies I can think of where either the antagonist or the protagonist were female without all the "Look how inclusive we are" and "A woman's worth lies in being motherly" posturing were "Multiverse of Madness" (and that's a stretch already given that being a mother was basically Wanda's entire motivation) and "Captain Marvel".

As for the original plot for "Thunderbolts", sure that sounds bad. I'm glad it's not what we've got in the end. But at the same time, the fact that they considered it long enough for it to become public turns me further off the MCU. Because deep down I don't want them to make the movies they feel would be most popular with their target audience. I want them to make the movies they want to make, you know? I want to feel like they have some kind of plan, some kind of vision. For example, I hated it when Tony Stark got killed off in "Endgame", and I would have loved for Loki to be spared, but at the same time I could see how those deaths made sense for the characters. If by now they just grab random support characters from their Chest of Spare Characters and go "Are you a villain? Are you a hero? Are you going to turn into the Hulk? Let's poll some focus groups and find out!" that's not the kind of storytelling where I'm on the edge of my seat wanting to find out how it ends.

As for the newly leaked LEGO sets - Daily Bugle, 781 pieces, EUR 110? Yep those are definitely HP playset Diagon Alley prices there. And is Groot really that popular? I mean I can see people buying one of them because of the sheer cuteness factor, but collecting all of them?

 

Edited September 24 by brickbride

[JeanGreyForever]

7 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Yeah, I'm glad they saw the way the wind was blowing and changed it. John's a lot of people's favorite post-endgame character, and I think making him the villain would have lost marvel even more fans, rather than drawing them back in. I know I wouldn't have taken the chance on F4 had Thunderbolts not blown me away- if they'd really made John a bad guy I think I'd have been done with the MCU permanently.

I was thinking just a dark red Frank Miller suit, but Miller's training outfit (the one we see in that made-for-tv Hulk movie, as well as the netflix show) would be awesome as well, and would only require a new face print rather than legs or even a torso. Moon Knight I think is pretty likely belonging to that corner of the universe, and I can't believe I didn't catch Ghost Rider. I'd be surprised if he didn't show up in Oscorp- might give us a side build, too. Kaine feels pretty likely. And yes, of course Luna Snow has no connection to spider-man and isn't really realistic for the bugle. That's just part of the joke of me always putting some figures I want (Kaine, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luna Snow) when talking about Oscorp- I don't legitimately think she'd be in the set.

I agree on the first part, but I also think they'd have no issue just making Kingpin a minifigure. In everything but spider-verse he's a good deal smaller than Hulk or Thanos or even F4's Thing. Same with Rhino- I'm sure we'll just see a regular minifigure of him if he comes in the set, like they did in the Disney Junior set with Hulk.

Yeah, that's true. My list was a bit optimistic in terms of re-using desirable exclusives when we will probably still get the standard ock and goblin rather than desirable variants like Nu-Ultimate or rarer villains like Kraven.

I think Gwen's possible, especially if they're trying to up the figure count, but I certainly don't think her death or Sins Past would count TOWARDS the likelihood of her being in the set. If anything I think they'd hold her back from it.

Those would be nice as well.

It was the opposite for me. I skipped Thunderbolts, especially after hearing how bad BNW was. Then I watched FF, which I wasn't particularly blown away with but it did make me want to check out Thunderbolts to see which movie was better and I'm definitely Team Thunderbolts. Unfortunately, I really don't see Doomsday doing this team justice, especially considering how disconnected the characters are from everyone else. Hopefully they get some good scenes.

I like the idea of a dark red Daredevil. It would probably fit the darker tones of Oscorp. I know Luna Snow has taken off as a character so I could see some Lego set in the future potentially featuring her. 

If we do get a Kingpin minifigure, I have a strong feeling he's going to be built out of purely recycled parts. He's an easy one to MOC as I see a lot of custom minifigures for him. Maybe Lego will make the extra effort to try and depict his paunch on his torso, like they did with Winnie the Pooh. Minifigure Rhino also works for me and you're right that he's been done before that way. Shocker is another fairly popular villain who surprisingly hasn't ever appeared in a set so I wonder if he might finally get his day. Probably not though.

Gwen was excluded from the bridge set, probably because it was too closely linked to her death. I'm hoping that Green Goblin killing her doesn't preclude her from appearing in Oscorp, especially considering how central she is to the ASM movies. I've noticed Marvel has mostly tried to distance themselves from the classic Gwen Stacy iteration, ever since Spider-Gwen took off in popularity. I think they're too afraid to acknowledge the original version since she's considered too controversial now for being "fridged" or outdated.

 

 

[JeanGreyForever]

4 hours ago, brickbride said:

Yikes I hope not. Sure they're the same age but the vibe I got from her was a lot more "Awww, you're a cute little lost puppy, let me protect you" than "I can imagine you as a partner on equal standing with me".

Honestly that's part of the MCU's problem. Marvel still like to pretend for the most part that women do not exist (other than in a supporting role or as Someone's Daughter to be Treasured and Protected and be Worthy of), and then every once in a while they give us a "female" and "inclusive" movie with a female protagonist and also a female antagonist like "Black Widow", "The Marvels", or "Thunderbolts". The only "regular" Marvel movies I can think of where either the antagonist or the protagonist were female without all the "Look how inclusive we are" and "A woman's worth lies in being motherly" posturing were "Multiverse of Madness" (and that's a stretch already given that being a mother was basically Wanda's entire motivation) and "Captain Marvel".

As for the original plot for "Thunderbolts", sure that sounds bad. I'm glad it's not what we've got in the end. But at the same time, the fact that they considered it long enough for it to become public turns me further off the MCU. Because deep down I don't want them to make the movies they feel would be most popular with their target audience. I want them to make the movies they want to make, you know? I want to feel like they have some kind of plan, some kind of vision. For example, I hated it when Tony Stark got killed off in "Endgame", and I would have loved for Loki to be spared, but at the same time I could see how those deaths made sense for the characters. If by now they just grab random support characters from their Chest of Spare Characters and go "Are you a villain? Are you a hero? Are you going to turn into the Hulk? Let's poll some focus groups and find out!" that's not the kind of storytelling where I'm on the edge of my seat wanting to find out how it ends.

As for the newly leaked LEGO sets - Daily Bugle, 781 pieces, EUR 110? Yep those are definitely HP playset Diagon Alley prices there. And is Groot really that popular? I mean I can see people buying one of them because of the sheer cuteness factor, but collecting all of them?

 

It was sorta ambiguous for me. It felt more maternal or sisterly, particularly with Yelena taking on the older sister role that Natasha had with her. But a few times, I also felt they might be trying to recreate the Natasha/Bruce relationship, which seemed rather unanimously disliked so I don't know if they'd go there again. But Bob with his Void personality isn't far off from Bruce with his Hulk troubles and both Nat and Yelena are some of the few people to be able to calm them down.

I honestly didn't even like the original Captain Marvel movie. It felt like they had no idea how to handle Carol's character so they deliberately left her a cipher, with little personality. It didn't help that all her Endgame scenes were filmed before Captain Marvel was even finished, so she was left a blank slate there too in order to not conflict with her solo movie. That meant in her first two major appearances, she was basically only characterized by being the most powerful. Then Wanda came along and took that role, and unlike Carol, she actually had a personality and audience acceptance, which is why she became the most popular post-Endgame Marvel character with no competition. That made Carol even more irrelevant while also further exposing how poorly written she is. Wanda was probably their best written female character, especially as she wasn't Marvel's usual template for an action heroine with quippy one-liners (Black Widow, Gamora), but they killed her off. I felt with Sue, they were trying to replicate Wanda's popularity (especially since the FF writer also wrote WandaVision) except Sue didn't seem to have much of a personality beyond being a mother whereas Wanda was more multifaceted than that. MoM Wanda was rather less complex in order to easily villainize her, which is why that film hasn't aged well with fans. 

I feel like the days when the MCU were planned have been long gone, if they ever truly existed. An example is that Wanda wasn't meant to be the villain of MoM. The idea was that she was a supporting character who assists Strange against the real villain, Nightmare. At the end, she'd be corrupted and turn dark in order to be the villain for a future movie. Then the writer of the movie decided that it wasn't fair that a future film would benefit from evil Wanda so why not start off with her evil so MoM can benefit from using her. The Kang stuff also shows how much rewriting there has to have been since he was the big bad villain and now he's been replaced with Doom. I heard the reason they haven't been able to bring back Shang-Chi yet is because his end-credits scene was supposed to tie into Kang, particularly with that film's director as the original director for Kang Dynasty which is now Secret Wars. We saw Thanos multiple times before Infinity War, whereas we've only seen the back of Doom once, with no dialogue or references to him. So it seems like Marvel is scrambling between bringing back Robert Downey Jr. and a lot of other legacy characters who were supposed to be retired. I'm not sure if Loki's death in Infinity War was ever supposed to be permanent since those Disney+ shows were in development for a while, so Loki's return was probably planned around that time. And now he's going to have a major role in Doomsday.

James Gunn seems to have realized that cutesy non-human characters really gel with the public, between Groot and Krypto in Superman. So I'm guessing Groot really does sell well enough to justify another set.

[BrickBob Studpants]

19 minutes ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Shocker is another fairly popular villain who surprisingly hasn't ever appeared in a set so I wonder if he might finally get his day. Probably not though.

You mean comic Shocker? Because the MCU variant did appear in a Homecoming set!

I agree with @Mandalorianknight, the wave doesn‘t seem that bad if you compare it to all the previous Spider-vehicle-riddled 1HY waves. Actual buildings in 1HY waves are pretty rare, and there is potential for something interesting minifig-wise.

[JeanGreyForever]

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

You mean comic Shocker? Because the MCU variant did appear in a Homecoming set!

Yes, comic Shocker is what I specifically meant. Although it's just as well we haven't gotten him. He'd look really bland without arm/leg printing to match the diamond pattern of his torso. Mysterio is a character I'd like to see redone so we can get leg printing that has the netting pattern from his torso.

[sonofasubmariner]

9 hours ago, strangely said:

I'm not even expecting the set to actually be Raimi inspired, just stating that's the only scenario where Lego convinces me to buy a 3rd Daily Bugle.

Speaking as someone who hasn't bought any of the previous Daily Bugle, I will be keeping my eye on this one. I'd rather it be the more modular adjacent thing they have been doing lately than Raimi inspired personally. I like the approach they have been taking with sort of half-finished modulars that you can flesh out on your own (although I don't like the prices).

[Mandalorianknight]

12 hours ago, Coryo said:

At some point I would also like to see some sort of bank heist set in this mini-modular style, the Homecoming set fits decently alongside them with a little modification, but a larger one with a villain like Shocker would be ideal.

The leakers would have mentioned if any of these had smart brick integration right? Are we safe?

A bank heist set with shocker (in a drill tank or something, assumably) would be awesome! 

We should be safe. The PPPs aren't smart-brick level atrocious for any of these (I mean, the bugle's rough, but it's also assumably going to have lots of large panels and plates, and "newspaper office" doesn't sound like a set that would hold a smart brick.) and they'd need a starter kit in one of the sets.

10 hours ago, brickbride said:

Yikes I hope not. Sure they're the same age but the vibe I got from her was a lot more "Awww, you're a cute little lost puppy, let me protect you" than "I can imagine you as a partner on equal standing with me".

As for the original plot for "Thunderbolts", sure that sounds bad. I'm glad it's not what we've got in the end. But at the same time, the fact that they considered it long enough for it to become public turns me further off the MCU. Because deep down I don't want them to make the movies they feel would be most popular with their target audience.

As for the newly leaked LEGO sets - Daily Bugle, 781 pieces, EUR 110? Yep those are definitely HP playset Diagon Alley prices there. And is Groot really that popular? I mean I can see people buying one of them because of the sheer cuteness factor, but collecting all of them?

I don't know- they have bob give a very similar statement to Yelena's starting monologue, which she recognizes (the bit where Void gets it's name). I think they were clearly trying to set them up as two people who were in a very similar headspace and finding a way out of it together- literally speaking in the third act.

I agree that the very fact that it was considered concerns me, but I think changing it- even if they personally preferred it the other way- was a good sign for the MCU. At the end of the day, I'd rather marvel make stuff we'll like because they know we'll like it than stuff we don't because it's what they want to make. I respect that they realized "Oh, people really like John, it's probably a bad idea to double down and try and make him evil".

6 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

It was the opposite for me. I skipped Thunderbolts, especially after hearing how bad BNW was. Then I watched FF, which I wasn't particularly blown away with but it did make me want to check out Thunderbolts to see which movie was better and I'm definitely Team Thunderbolts. Unfortunately, I really don't see Doomsday doing this team justice, especially considering how disconnected the characters are from everyone else. Hopefully they get some good scenes.

Gwen was excluded from the bridge set, probably because it was too closely linked to her death. I'm hoping that Green Goblin killing her doesn't preclude her from appearing in Oscorp, especially considering how central she is to the ASM movies. I've noticed Marvel has mostly tried to distance themselves from the classic Gwen Stacy iteration, ever since Spider-Gwen took off in popularity. I think they're too afraid to acknowledge the original version since she's considered too controversial now for being "fridged" or outdated.

Yeah, I'm worried about it, especially with the leak that only half the team actually gets to be part of the main story.

That's my thought here as well- they can appear in a set together (the bugle), but putting Gwen in an Oscorp set when you've got stuff like Sins Past might be a bit much for them.

As for that last part, man I hope not. Yeah, classic Gwen primarily serves to advance spider-man's character. So does Goblin, the comic is called spider-man. Despite what some writers seem to think, that's how having a main character works. Gwen had a personality, there was more going on with her stories than just her death, so it's not like a Kyle Rayner situation where they create a character solely to shockingly kill them.

[JeanGreyForever]

Trailer for the Wolverine Insomniac game came out. Hoping future Marvel sets could pepper in some characters from the game like some of the Spidey sets have done, such as Norman Osborn in the Oscorp set. Would like to see Mystique and Omega Red. This would also be a good way to get a new Sentinel set.

12 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Yeah, I'm worried about it, especially with the leak that only half the team actually gets to be part of the main story.

That's my thought here as well- they can appear in a set together (the bugle), but putting Gwen in an Oscorp set when you've got stuff like Sins Past might be a bit much for them.

As for that last part, man I hope not. Yeah, classic Gwen primarily serves to advance spider-man's character. So does Goblin, the comic is called spider-man. Despite what some writers seem to think, that's how having a main character works. Gwen had a personality, there was more going on with her stories than just her death, so it's not like a Kyle Rayner situation where they create a character solely to shockingly kill them.

Aren't all the characters going to be mixed up and split into different groups, like with what happened to Infinity War? That's what I remember reading although I don't recall the groups.

Hopefully they'll just ignore Sins Past then like Marvel does.

I think her portrayal in the ASM films sorta helped reinvent the character for a modern age but then Spider-Gwen, who basically has nothing in common with the original Gwen Stacy, took off and more or less overshadowed the original Gwen. Marvel seems to have essentially replaced her with Spider-Gwen now and doesn't seem to have any interest in revisiting the original Gwen. I'm guessing the only reason there was a civilian Gwen minifigure in the Daily Bugle was just because they already had a random blonde minifigure and we know Marvel didn't like the idea of Lego populating the Daily Bugle with generic minifigs so they made them rename them to existing characters from the comics. Hence why most of them don't look anything like their comic counterparts. 

[brickbride]

21 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Then Wanda came along and took that role, and unlike Carol, she actually had a personality and audience acceptance, which is why she became the most popular post-Endgame Marvel character with no competition. That made Carol even more irrelevant while also further exposing how poorly written she is. Wanda was probably their best written female character

For me it's the other way round! I really like Carol, I thought she was excellently written in her own movie, and I've never liked Wanda. She was straight-up selfish and mostly evil from the start and it always irked me that we were expected to somehow like her despite all of that. In any situation where there's a moral and a selfish, evil choice you can pretty much count on Wanda to take option two. Whereas Carol is a hero but I think many people's problem with her is that she just isn't "womanly" enough. She doesn't define herself through her emotions or maternal instinct as much as through her deeds and in the MCU that's a position usually reserved for men. Male heroes are expected to just get shit done no matter how they feel about it; female heroes are expected to be emotional.

14 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I respect that they realized "Oh, people really like John, it's probably a bad idea to double down and try and make him evil".

I think an evil John could actually have worked if he were well-written. I love Agatha and she's as evil as they come!

But yeah, I don't think they have much of a coherent vision for their MCU any more. This ties in with "Secret Invasion"'s "Yeah, we shot some stuff and now we're trying to hammer out a plot in post-production" attitude as well. Overall I feel myself getting less and less invested in the official MCU because of it. I'll probably watch "Doomsday" at the cinema and I'll probably catch the next couple of movies once they show up on Disney+, and maybe a couple of series featuring characters I might like,  but I'm not anywhere as invested as I was in the days of "Infinity War"/"Endgame", and I think most people aren't.

Also I wish they'd stop with the post-credit cards of "XY will return" already. We've had so many that haven't panned out, and even if many of those characters or teams might show up again in "Doomsday", a short cameo appearance in a movie like five years later may fulfill the letter but not the spirit of the promise. If they're not sure whether and when they'll return to a character or team because it depends on box office returns, other projects, and so on they should just stop making empty promises IMO. 

Edited September 25 by brickbride

[THELEGOBATMAN]

I do hope Sandman is at least buildable, and it's not yet another Spider-Car with a boring Sandman minifigure.

I don't believe it's a Spider-Man 3 set because it just sounds too good.

Edited September 25 by THELEGOBATMAN

[BrickBob Studpants]

1 minute ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

I don't believe it's a Spider-Man 3 set because it just sounds too good.

Unfortunately, you‘re right. It‘s still possible, but I‘m not getting my hopes up. A lame Spidervehicle + comic-based Sandman is just more realistic, given the theme‘s track record

[spiderfan2000]

I mean, if it's a comic based set, I could see the build being a small storefront or something to go with the other buildings we've been getting.