ASLUME (formerly Batman (DC Superheroes) 2024 - Rumors & Discussion)

[THELEGOBATMAN]

57 minutes ago, legoturtle said:

What you think of Superman (2025) outfit? Old school?

As perfect as I hoped it would be.

Bright colours, prominent underwear, yellow belt, logo on the cape. The symbol is awesome, Corenswet looks fantastic.

[legoturtle]

They say all characters are comic like. So that is interesting thing.

[legoturtle]

Please TLG give us minifigure like this!

 

[Mandalorianknight]

11 hours ago, legoturtle said:

Well,

. . . . . . the art style in BCC is a bit simple. Similar to the Batman animated movies in (Apple TV). It looks computer made NOT hand drawn. BUT over all this TV show looks very interesting. Actually I want to see the trailer RIGHT NOW! Again... that means something.

I agree in part- maybe not the art style per se, but the animation itself is the weakest link for me. The plot looks good, Batman's VA is great, and I like the tone, setting, etc, but the actual animation seems a little basic. There's that shot of batman running after catwoman that looks particularly weak to me, especially for something you're gonna show off in the trailer.

10 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

@legoturtle, I’m sorry to inform you that there appears to be some sort of Magic Spirit featured in the Caped Crusader trailer. So my condolences for the loss of your desired *realism.* 
 

Anyway, the plot synopsis for Lanterns has been revealed.

 “The series follows new recruit John Stewart and Lantern legend Hal Jordan, two intergalactic cops drawn into a dark, earth-based mystery as they investigate a murder in the American heartland,

I’m a bit concerned about this for a few reasons: 1) If John’s going to be a new recruit and Hal’s going to be older it might mean that Hal might become Parallax in the season finale, and John once again steals Kyle’s storyline. 2) Tom King is on the writers team, he  can either be excellent with GL like with Hal’s Darkseid War one shot, or terrible like the time where he made Hal say he doesn’t know what will is. 3) The show takes place on Earth, Green Lantern is primarily a cosmic hero, so why the Kriff are they not using space where the best parts of GL lore are.

At the end of the day, I’m sure I’m just nitpicking. And I’m just happy to be getting GL content.

 

That's just Alfred smoking a cigar in reverse. The bit with the pirate dude's face is Batman showing alfred an anti-smoking PSA.

 

I am cautiously optimistic about this because 1: Hal is at least a main character again and 2: I do think earth is the right way to start a GL story, and I like that they're letting it start on earth but we also don't have to try and cram the entire Hal-Jon-Guy-Kyle-Jess-Simon timeline into one live-action continuity. I do, however, share the parallax concern. Hal has been seen increasingly often as "the one who turns evil" and I'm not super confident Gunn will care enough about Hal to let him be the hero he's supposed to be.

Edited June 27, 2024 by Mandalorianknight

[Lego Nostalgia]

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I agree in part- maybe not the art style per se, but the animation itself is the weakest link for me. The plot looks good, Batman's VA is great, and I like the tone, setting, etc, but the actual animation seems a little basic. There's that shot of batman running after catwoman that looks particularly weak to me, especially for something you're gonna show off in the trailer.

That's just Alfred smoking a cigar in reverse. The bit with the pirate dude's face is Batman showing alfred an anti-smoking PSA.

 

I am cautiously optimistic about this because 1: Hal is at least a main character again and 2: I do think earth is the right way to start a GL story, and I like that they're letting it start on earth but we also don't have to try and cram the entire Hal-Jon-Guy-Kyle-Jess-Simon timeline into one live-action continuity. I do, however, share the parallax concern. Hal has been seen increasingly often as "the one who turns evil" and I'm not super confident Gunn will care enough about Hal to let him be the hero he's supposed to be.

Batman was never realistic, he fights alongside a group of Superhumans and fights people like Bane,Killer Croc,Clay Face and more, plus he is able to fight Superman sometimes and has beat Darkseid with the Hellbat suit, I'm sorry @legoturtle but the only realism you'll get is TDKT or The Batman 2022

[legoturtle]

Batman is sci-fi for me.

[RedHoodPug]

1 hour ago, legoturtle said:

Batman is sci-fi for me.

That's DC for you. The immediate predecessor to comics - pulp novels - unsurprisingly have the same genres of story, including sci-fi. There are elements of sci-fi to Batman like his technology, but he owes a great deal more to (who'd have thought it) detective stories, most notably he who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men.

[THELEGOBATMAN]

It's honestly really cool that Batman's suit from Caped Crusader is basically the first appearance suit with black gloves.

You could take the DC CMF 1939 Batman, change his lavender hands to black ones, and you have the Caped Crusader Batman.

I'd still love to get some sets for it tho — the villains look so unique. Getting these versions of Harley Quinn, Catwoman and Clayface would be fantastic. Could also be an opportunity to get our first Onomatopoeia.

[CloneCommando99]

14 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Could also be an opportunity to get our first Onomatopoeia.

Bang! Crash! Kapow!

There you go. You’ve got some onomatopoeias.

I’ve realised a terrible truth. The most diverse in non-Batman characters wave that Lego has ever made for DC was DC Superhero Girls. We got: Wonder Woman, Katana, Bumblebee, Barry Allen, Krypto, Eclipso and Steve Trevor as well as other characters in one wave.

Why?! Why Did they make tonnes of sets for DC Superhero girls but not Teen Titans?!

[BrickBob Studpants]

Classifying Batman as sci-fi is a bit of a weird choice. He has futuristic tech, sure, but genres are mainly about tropes, not set dressing.

For example, Star Wars is fantasy, not sci-fi. While there are spaceships and futuristic technology, the story and characters adhere to fantasy tropes (the hero’s journey, a mentor, the wise master, an evil overlord, magic etc)

As @RedHoodPug points out, Batman stories follow detective tropes. He IS a detective after all, and that‘s even what DC is named after!

[Agent Kallus]

3 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

For example, Star Wars is fantasy, not sci-fi. 

Things can be multiple things, I agree that star wars is fantasy but 'not sci-fi' is a weird thing to call the world's biggest sci-fi brand.

To quote Wikipedia 'Science fiction (sometimes shortened to sci-fi) is a genre of speculative fiction, which typically deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts such as advanced science and technology, space exploration, time travel, parallel universes, and extraterrestrial life. It is related to fantasy, horror, and superhero fiction and contains many subgenres. Its exact definition has long been disputed among authors, critics, scholars, and readers.'

17 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

That's just Alfred smoking a cigar in reverse.

I never would.

17 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

 but the animation itself is the weakest link for me. 

I can only concur. The trailer overall looks good but the movements really do look rather stilted at points.

On 6/27/2024 at 8:02 AM, CloneCommando99 said:

@legoturtle, I’m sorry to inform you that there appears to be some sort of Magic Spirit featured in the Caped Crusader trailer. So my condolences for the loss of your desired *realism.* 
 

Anyway, the plot synopsis for Lanterns has been revealed.

 “The series follows new recruit John Stewart and Lantern legend Hal Jordan, two intergalactic cops drawn into a dark, earth-based mystery as they investigate a murder in the American heartland,

I’m a bit concerned about this for a few reasons: 1) If John’s going to be a new recruit and Hal’s going to be older it might mean that Hal might become Parallax in the season finale, and John once again steals Kyle’s storyline. 2) Tom King is on the writers team, he  can either be excellent with GL like with Hal’s Darkseid War one shot, or terrible like the time where he made Hal say he doesn’t know what will is. 3) The show takes place on Earth, Green Lantern is primarily a cosmic hero, so why the Kriff are they not using space where the best parts of GL lore are.

At the end of the day, I’m sure I’m just nitpicking. And I’m just happy to be getting GL content.

 

I'll be honest I'm just excited that they are giving green lanterns some proper respect unlike the half heart nods we got the Synder and the Arrowverse.

[BrickBob Studpants]

35 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

Things can be multiple things, I agree that star wars is fantasy but 'not sci-fi' is a weird thing to call the world's biggest sci-fi brand.

Fair enough, I should‘ve been more specific  SW isn‘t hard sci-fi  

[wesker]

Hopefully we get something out of Caped Crusader next year. It would be a shame to skip over those character designs, especially Harley Quinn and Catwoman.

The more I keep seeing of the new Superman film really makes me hope the Daily Planet gets the D2C/Modular Building spot next year. It would be a great way to cover the large cast of characters that would otherwise be passed over in the regular retail sets.

[BrickBob Studpants]

31 minutes ago, wesker said:

The more I keep seeing of the new Superman film really makes me hope the Daily Planet gets the D2C/Modular Building spot next year. It would be a great way to cover the large cast of characters that would otherwise be passed over in the regular retail sets.

Unfortunately, I don‘t see that happening. As hopeful as I am for a wave of sets, I‘d consider releasing a D2C set based on an untested new cinematic universe a very risky move, despite the design likely being comic-accurate enough to work as a generic Daily Planet

D2C sets based on then-upcoming movies or shows are very rare anyway. The Sanctum Sanctorum is a recent example, but that one was not solely based on MoM and had been featured in multiple movies beforehand. Another example, the Dune ornithopter, was based on the first movie (and technically wasn‘t even a D2C set).

Unless I’m overlooking something, the only current exception is the upcoming X-Mansion

Edited June 28, 2024 by BrickBob Studpants

[legoturtle]

We should have a list about every TV show, animation movie, animation show and LIVE-ACTION movie. Also games. Then we can probably see how much DC stuff is coming. AND like we all know... lego sets. How many from Superman (2025) and so on...

 

[CloneCommando99]

1 hour ago, legoturtle said:

We should have a list about every TV show, animation movie, animation show and LIVE-ACTION movie. Also games. Then we can probably see how much DC stuff is coming. AND like we all know... lego sets. How many from Superman (2025) and so on...

 

Live Action Movies: Superman, Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow, The Batman Part 2, Joker 2, The Brave and The Bold, Swamp Thing, Teen Titans and The Authority.

Live Action TV shows: Lanterns, Peacemaker season 2, Booster Gold, Waller and an unnamed Arkham Series.

Animated Movies: Jurassic League.

Animated TV shows: Caped Crusader, Beast Boy, Kiteman, another season of Harley Quinn and Creature Commandos. (Young Justice season 5 hasn’t been confirmed yet.)

 

I believe that’s about it. Please do correct me if I missed anything.

[Max_Lego]

On 6/27/2024 at 9:22 AM, legoturtle said:

the art style in BCC is a bit simple.

Looks like a little polished version of the animation from this absolutely disgusting The Killing Joke movie. I am pretty sure the artist is the same.

12 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

For example, Star Wars is fantasy, not sci-fi.

It's Star Wars' current state, but I believe it wasn't supposed to be. When the OT was realised, SW had good potential to be, while not die-hard Sci-Fi like Star Trek was initially (until J. J. Abrams took over), but quite scientific on its own. EC Henry had a video on the topic, though I have something else, yet similar on my mind. Unfortunately, many 'scientific' aspects of SW were ruined by Disney, like the gravity wells (now ships are capable of jumping into hyperspace from the planet's surface) and the magnetic fields in hangars (now ships can enter hangars without opening the magnetic field and clearing the bay before said opening, which is plan weird).

 

My previous scepticism about the B:CC show is partially gone now, after the trailer was realised. It may be something good, though I shall be patient. From what I've heard, the show may not be R-rated, so Lego sets based on it may be theoretically possible 

[BrickBob Studpants]

18 minutes ago, Max_Lego said:

It's Star Wars' current state, but I believe it wasn't supposed to be. When the OT was realised, SW had good potential to be, while not die-hard Sci-Fi like Star Trek was initially (until J. J. Abrams took over), but quite scientific on its own. 

Ah yes, the scientifically-accurate OT, where parsecs were used as a unit of time, starships make sound in space, explosions in space manifest as huge fireballs, and hyperspace is a thing  Oh, and space wizards.

SW has always been deeply rooted in fantasy. From the first second to be precise, as it even starts like a fairy tale. And ANH in particular is one of the best examples of the classic hero‘s journey! 

[legoturtle]

1 hour ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Please do correct me if I missed anything.

The Penguin?

[Max_Lego]

57 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Ah yes, the scientifically-accurate OT, where parsecs were used as a unit of time, starships make sound in space, explosions in space manifest as huge fireballs, and hyperspace is a thing  Oh, and space wizards.

SW has always been deeply rooted in fantasy. From the first second to be precise, as it even starts like a fairy tale. And ANH in particular is one of the best examples of the classic hero‘s journey! 

Han's line on parsecs was obviously a blatant boast of an ignorant smuggler. You can see Obi-Wan giving him a dismissive look.

Sound in space is an artistic convention to simplify the audience's perception. 

They created the explosions with what they had at the time. Not very scientific, but looks OK to me.

Hyperspace and the Force not only are the only 'fantasy' (WH40K warp?) elements of SW - they SHOULD be fantasy elements. This is Star Wars for Palpy's sake!

Hero's journey is not the absolute criteria for fantasy. 

Overall, SW is, at least, much more Sci-Fi than the DC universe, where 'Weird science' and magic exist without any justification. Batman's realism isn't about the world - it's about psychology and society. Or, at least, it should be... 

[ARC2149Nova]

2 minutes ago, Max_Lego said:

Han's line on parsecs was obviously a blatant boast of an ignorant smuggler. You can see Obi-Wan giving him a dismissive look.

Thank God someone gets this. I'm so tired of people not understanding the entire point of that interaction. It doesn't help that later Star Wars writers were too stupid to understand that and decided to make sense of an obvious lie. (Looking at you, Solo. And yes, I'm aware Legends did the same. It was stupid then, too)

 

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

starships make sound in space, explosions in space manifest as huge fireballs, and hyperspace is a thing  Oh, and space wizards.

Ah yes, because sci-fi never takes artistic liberties with the laws of physics. Literally every sci-fi anything ever. Or is pseudo-science too fake to be sci-fi?

Star Trek, Halo, Green Lantern, Flash Gordon, War of the Worlds, I could go on. There are always fantastical elements in science fiction, the science itself is fiction.

I agree that Star Wars is more accurately defined as Science Fantasy, but that's a blend of both the Science Fiction genre, and the Fantasy genre. Two things can be true at the same time.

Besides, a lot of the tech in the OT is designed in the style of hard sci-fi, with few fantasy elements thrown in (such as faster than light travel, which is scientifically impossible).

[Mandalorianknight]

15 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Could also be an opportunity to get our first Onomatopoeia.

Best scene in the trailer was "Bang" and then the ship gun thing going off. I'm so happy they're finally using him.

2 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Live Action Movies: Superman, Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow, The Batman Part 2, Joker 2, The Brave and The Bold, Swamp Thing, Teen Titans and The Authority.

Live Action TV shows: Lanterns, Peacemaker season 2, Booster Gold, Waller and an unnamed Arkham Series.

Animated Movies: Jurassic League.

Animated TV shows: Caped Crusader, Beast Boy, Kiteman, another season of Harley Quinn and Creature Commandos. (Young Justice season 5 hasn’t been confirmed yet.)

My guesses:

Superman: 1-3 sets, SWOT 0-1 sets, TBP2 3-5 sets, Joker 2 none, TBATB 3-5, ST none, TT 1-3, TA 0-3 depending on rating.

Lanterns 0-1 sets, PS2 none, BG 0-1 sets, Waller none, Arkham none.

Jurassic League: none

Caped Crusader anywhere from none to multiple full waves. If it's TV-PG/TV-14 we could be looking at our best chance at theme revival. BB I dunno, I don't know the target audience. Kiteman none, HQ3 none, CC none.

11 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

Things can be multiple things, I agree that star wars is fantasy but 'not sci-fi' is a weird thing to call the world's biggest sci-fi brand.

To quote Wikipedia 'Science fiction (sometimes shortened to sci-fi) is a genre of speculative fiction, which typically deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts such as advanced science and technology, space exploration, time travel, parallel universes, and extraterrestrial life. It is related to fantasy, horror, and superhero fiction and contains many subgenres. Its exact definition has long been disputed among authors, critics, scholars, and readers.'

I never would.

I can only concur. The trailer overall looks good but the movements really do look rather stilted at points.

I'll be honest I'm just excited that they are giving green lanterns some proper respect unlike the half heart nods we got the Synder and the Arrowverse.

Exactly. It's both.

I hope they touch it up before release, but this is Amazon, and we saw Invincible. They need to get their animation in gear here, you could have the Best Superhero Comic Show in the Universe and stilted animation'll still hurt it.

For all Snyder's faults, at the very least he did PLAN on having John involved. They even filmed a post-credits for the snyder cut with Wayne T Carr if I'm remembering right. 

14 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

I’ve realised a terrible truth. The most diverse in non-Batman characters wave that Lego has ever made for DC was DC Superhero Girls. We got: Wonder Woman, Katana, Bumblebee, Barry Allen, Krypto, Eclipso and Steve Trevor as well as other characters in one wave.

Why?! Why Did they make tonnes of sets for DC Superhero girls but not Teen Titans?!

I don't get this either. It's lego's whole weird "we're for girls too, but they need their own minifigure system" thing. Clearly many girls do like the friends theme and whatnot, but I maintain they'd do at least a little better if they had normal minifigures.

TTG is brainrot, but it's also massively popular, so it does confuse me why lego never did anything for it.

14 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Classifying Batman as sci-fi is a bit of a weird choice. He has futuristic tech, sure, but genres are mainly about tropes, not set dressing.

For example, Star Wars is fantasy, not sci-fi. While there are spaceships and futuristic technology, the story and characters adhere to fantasy tropes (the hero’s journey, a mentor, the wise master, an evil overlord, magic etc)

It's both, and so is batman. It can depend story-wise. ZSJL is sci-fi/fantasy, whereas The Batman and TDK are more crime thrillers. 60s batman is comedy/adventure, etc.

1 hour ago, Max_Lego said:

It's Star Wars' current state, but I believe it wasn't supposed to be. When the OT was realised, SW had good potential to be, while not die-hard Sci-Fi like Star Trek was initially (until J. J. Abrams took over), but quite scientific on its own. EC Henry had a video on the topic, though I have something else, yet similar on my mind. Unfortunately, many 'scientific' aspects of SW were ruined by Disney, like the gravity wells (now ships are capable of jumping into hyperspace from the planet's surface) and the magnetic fields in hangars (now ships can enter hangars without opening the magnetic field and clearing the bay before said opening, which is plan weird).

We're in a franchise with space wizards, microscopic life forms that determine how much connection you have to your magic powers, etc, but no. gravity wells and magnetic fields are where we draw the line.

9 minutes ago, Max_Lego said:

Hyperspace and the Force not only are the only 'fantasy' (WH40K warp?) elements of SW - they SHOULD be fantasy elements. This is Star Wars for Palpy's sake!

Space Wizards, man. It can be both, but you can't say it's not fantasy. You even say yourself that there SHOULD be fantasy elements.

[Max_Lego]

16 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Besides, a lot of the tech in the OT is designed in the style of hard sci-fi, with few fantasy elements thrown in (such as faster than light travel, which is scientifically impossible).

Not only they are designed that way - they also can be explained in a utterly reasonable way, with backstories not unlike real-world aircraft development stages. My headcanon already produced a comically adequate and realistic history of the TIE fighter, interceptor and Defender development (as well as those of Rebel starfighters). Star Wars IS Science fantasy, yet it COULD be more scientific. At lest, more scientific than Miyazaki's masterpiece manga Nausicaa, where the title heroine is a psychic and her enemy is an outright wizard.

This said, Batman also could be more realistic. But then it would be, yes, pulp, not science, fiction

5 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Best scene in the trailer was "Bang" and then the ship gun thing going off. I'm so happy they're finally using him.

Now we know how he imitates sounds! He just says words, not accurate imitation. People were speculating on the subject...

5 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

TTG is brainrot, but it's also massively popular, so it does confuse me why lego never did anything for it.

<Cough> Lego Dimensions <Cough>

5 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

microscopic life forms that determine how much connection you have to your magic powers

Please don't bring this Prequel heresy. 

5 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Space Wizards, man. It can be both, but you can't say it's not fantasy. You even say yourself that there SHOULD be fantasy elements.

Fantasy elements don't make it totally fantasy 

Edited June 28, 2024 by Max_Lego

[Mandalorianknight]

8 minutes ago, Max_Lego said:

Now we know how he imitates sounds! He just says words, not accurate imitation. People were speculating on the subject...

<Cough> Lego Dimensions <Cough>

Please don't bring this Prequel heresy. 

Fantasy elements don't make it totally fantasy 

Which I much prefer- I think it gives him a lot more character.

Yeah, but that's a couple figures for a franchise that had an INSANE amount of crossovers. I'm surprised there's no system sets is I guess what I should say.

Just saying- didn't start with Disney.

I'm not saying it's totally fantasy. I'm saying it's sci-fi and fantasy, as @Agent Kallus points out regarding things being able to be multiple things.

[Max_Lego]

8 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Just saying- didn't start with Disney.

I'm not saying it's totally fantasy. I'm saying it's sci-fi and fantasy, as @Agent Kallus points out regarding things being able to be multiple things.

Of course, it didn't start with Disney - SW were, IMAO, ruined long before even the Special Editios disaster. Disney just went masks off.

Point taken.

Edited June 28, 2024 by Max_Lego