42143 - Ferrari Daytona SP3

[Ngoc Nguyen]

 

[howitzer]

7 minutes ago, Erik Leppen said:

having read through the last 4 pages or so, I think my feeling with the set is summed up best as follows.

Nice set. Not Technic though.
(But oh well. The scale modeling forum is now here too, so let's just call it that.)

Gearbox, at first glance, seems to be the same as Sian's. But I don't own the Sian so I could be wrong. Doors are neat. No other interesting functions.

Best new part for me is the bigger rim. That opens some nice options.

New panels - fun, but not Technic.

What is Technic, but not fun, is introducing a new, totally incompatible new gear system. The only positive note about them is that 22 teeth is useful to create a 7 : 11 ratio. However, the gear has a round hole, so that's useless too. Now, what would be totally in the spirit of Lego as a building system, would be to introduce an inset piece with an axlehole that would fit in those 3 slots, and include it in the set to offer more options for the part. But of course, that's now how Lego works these days.

And as suggested, those geass are probably a hint of stuff to come. But to me, that doesn't bode well, because that would mean this "stuff to come" will be - again - bigger. And we know bigger is not the same as better. I'm sure AFOLs wil put the gears to great use, as with all new parts, but where is the time that official sets were as big as needed, but as small as possible, so as to be actually affordable? Fans of fun, complex, manual technical sets (that are not racing things) right now still have only two choices right now - the tow truck and the 42139 offroader.

I hope they introduce some new gears in the future that'll be compatible with the new bevel gears in order to make those useful for more than differentials. I guess you could use them with the differential housing to provide place for a locking axle in the larger gear if you _really_ needed 7:11 ratio, but that's bulky and complicated.

Other than that, I agree that there's a problem with the direction Technic is heading, as the selection of technically interesting manual sets is so thin. I mean, the Tow truck and Offroader are great, but something more would be nice. Perhaps the waste handler and the helicopter to be released later this year will provide us more fun?

[nerdsforprez]

2 hours ago, allanp said:

Surely there's a far more tasteful colour palette available, like black, dark grey, light grey, tan, metallic dark grey (for special pieces like the wave selector), the main set colour and so on, instead of bright red, bright blue, bright yellow, purple and and so on.

this.....

[Zerobricks]

My opinion about this set:

Pros:

• A great step forward in the evolution of the 1:8 supercars
• New wheels and tyres which allow more stuff to be placed inside
• New differential gears!!!
• New panels and shock absorbers
• Very well defined curves
• Almost no gaps, with a few exceptions
• Amazing attention to detail using studded bricks

Cons:

• General lack of innovation... How about a hybrid car with PU driving the front wheels and RWD the gearbox and fake engine? Using the planetary hubs and a couple of motors this is easily doable.
• I praised new panels in previous point, but this set simply intruduces too many new panels at once. Also why does each supercar need a new fender piece that is than only released in one color?
• No new innovation with the gearbox, where's the 12 tooth clutch gear with extension and a 24 tooth clutch gear?
• Suspension system is held only together by friction of the 5L axles, the rear shock absorbers is quite offset from the rear wheel, Wouldn't it be better to just offset the drive axle and keep the shock absorbers as close to the wheel center as possible?
• Driveline uses new diff, new CV joints on the inside, but the outer CV joints are still weak old type which deform very easily. With the bigger wheels, you could have bigger, stronger hubs with bigger brake discs that accept the new, stronger CV joints to have a new complete robust system.
• Too extreme color coding, like the lime brake holders for example. On the other extreme I have a feeling Lego changed the colors of the new 12 and 20 tooth gears from orange to blue in order to hide them better in the interrior.
• Cash grab book... At least have the digital version available for free online.

Either way I can't wait to get this set and to motorize it as usual, I already have some ideas

[lmdesigner42]

I think the designer did an excellent job on the exterior of the Ferrari, maybe even better than the Sian. In comparison with 1:8 MOCs from 6 years ago, the new panels really help with smooth and clean lines. But, however well-executed and striking the exterior is, I still feel like these modern supercars lack the clean and simple beauty that older generations had. This is not the Lego designer's fault, but I feel like the bodywork and facias are too busy and less appealing compared to something like the 911. So I think I will save my money and see what the next installment in the 1:8 series brings.

[Thirdwigg]

28 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

• No new innovation with the gearbox, where's the 12 tooth clutch gear with extension and a 24 tooth clutch gear?
• Suspension system is held only together by friction of the 5L axles, the rear shock absorbers is quite offset from the rear wheel, Wouldn't it be better to just offset the drive axle and keep the shock absorbers as close to the wheel center as possible?

Is there enough internal room on a 12 tooth gear for a clutch?

I very much agree with the critique of the rear suspension. Considering how stiff those shock absorbers are, it seems like there are a lot of failure points on those swingarms. In my experience, thin liftarms with axle holes are not the most robust pieces. 

[Zerobricks]

1 minute ago, Thirdwigg said:

Is there enough internal room on a 12 tooth gear for a clutch?

I very much agree with the critique of the rear suspension. Considering how stiff those shock absorbers are, it seems like there are a lot of failure points on those swingarms. In my experience, thin liftarms with axle holes are not the most robust pieces. 

The gear itself not, that's why I wrote 12 tooth clutch gear with extension.

[Gray Gear]

@Thirdwigg I feel the same way. Mounting a single super hard shock so far from the center is just asking for trouble. And it looks horrible too! The front suspension looks amazing, but the rear looks terrible. Thats the problem with using these fat shocks: no way to pass an axle through there. An AWD car is impossible using these shocks, unless you move them out of the wheel, like a pushrod suspension.

[Zerobricks]

25 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

@Thirdwigg I feel the same way. Mounting a single super hard shock so far from the center is just asking for trouble. And it looks horrible too! The front suspension looks amazing, but the rear looks terrible. Thats the problem with using these fat shocks: no way to pass an axle through there. An AWD car is impossible using these shocks, unless you move them out of the wheel, like a pushrod suspension.

You can always offset the drive axle sideways to solve this issue. Or use 2 smaller shocks smyetrically, like I did in the GTA Spano.

[gyenesvi]

3 hours ago, Zerobricks said:

No new innovation with the gearbox, where's the 12 tooth clutch gear with extension and a 24 tooth clutch gear?

This. And by that same logic, I think an 8T clutch would be possible with an extension, and very much needed for making a proper 1:3 gearbox. Although the 12T clutch would already make it possible to make a 1:2.777 ratio (with less space required than by a 1:3).

I am not into supercars, but after seeing the new blue gears in the tracked vehicle, I was really hoping that this one would introduce some novelties into gearboxes..

3 hours ago, Zerobricks said:

• Driveline uses new diff, new CV joints on the inside, but the outer CV joints are still weak old type which deform very easily. With the bigger wheels, you could have bigger, stronger hubs with bigger brake discs that accept the new, stronger CV joints to have a new complete robust system.

And this. It would be nice to see the new joints appear in a regular (non-planetary) hub. Currently, if we want to enjoy the benefits of the new CV joints (like somewhat better steering angle), the only option is to use the planetary hubs, which are only good for slow high torque applications. No option for faster cars.

4 hours ago, nerdsforprez said:

this.....

Exactly, I also agree with @allanp on this. The color vomit is also bad for B modelling, as many pieces that are there in the set are there in a useless color, for example to be used in the bodywork of a B model (like many connectors in most sets for example). I really believe that using the body color inside the model for color coding would not hurt anything, and would give the buyers more useful parts for building other stuff. But I guess that's not the goal nowadays..

[Aerolight]

Just finished my 3d printed realistic gearbox and I had to use a 3 stud gap between shafts to get a truly realistic gearbox - just the gear stack is 8 studs tall by 5 studs wide by 13 studs long so just to big for one of these supercars. A slightly more realistic one should be reasonable though - odd and even gears separate like real double clutch boxes

[Gray Gear]

1 hour ago, Zerobricks said:

You can always offset the drive axle sideways to solve this issue. Or use 2 smaller shocks smyetrically, like I did in the GTA Spano.

The "two small shocks" solution works, and one large shock like this has a problem. That was my point.

Do you have an example of a "sideways offset drive axle"? I am not sure what you mean 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Gray Gear

[Zerobricks]

27 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

The "two small shocks" solution works, and one large shock like this has a problem. That was my point.

Do you have an example of a "sideways offset drive axle"? I am not sure what you mean 

Instead of the axle going straight the differential, the differential is longitudally offset along the length of the car, so that the driveaxle can still pass by a centered shock absorber. So basically differential is offset in front or in the back of the wheel hubs.

[Wimmer]

10 hours ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

 

After seeing them all four together, and watching the whole video, my mind is still set. 
The Sián is still the nicest car in my eyes; the nicest looking lines, the most features, and (I think) the coolest color. 
Of course there is the issue with the slight mix of greens, but even that doesn’t throw me off. 
It’s totally weird to me that you have to open the Ferrari engine cover FIRST (!), before you can operate the (very cool, I admit it) 🦋-doors ???

How do you justify that for that price ?…

Edited May 26, 2022 by Wimmer

[Chmashdehjare]

18 hours ago, kbalage said:

I don't think the "designers believe it" only. Having different colors to identify the different parts and sections of the build actually helps, it is not rocket science to understand why. I know some hardcore AFOLs don't want to accept that, but TLG produces sets for the the average consumers. I've built sets from other brands designed by AFOLs with a monochromatic interior, and it wasn't a pleasant experience. I also asked casual builders to test it and they simply hated it. 

I was building a set with my 9 year old grandson this afternoon and he was struggling a little bit as he’s color blind. I’m not so I don’t know what all is the issue. I assume it’s a small percentage but I wonder if helping out those who are color blind is also driving the color vomit.

 

[Gray Gear]

@Chmashdehjare I am partially colorblind myself, so I know what it feels like if you cant tell what color something is. If someone is completely colorblind having different colors is pointless.

If you wanted to help a colorblind person you should use bricks in different brightness, so white, lbg, dbg, black. Anyone can tell those apart as they dont rely on your color perception.

[MarkyMark42]

On 5/25/2022 at 6:43 AM, langko said:

It’s up on the Australian website now as ‘coming soon’. $660!! Compared to the Sian at $570. I’m sorry but I really don’t see how this is worth the extra $90... 

Because we always seem to get screwed in Australia that's why :)

I can't see the value in the price hike either except for maybe it's a "Ferrari". With freight costs these days we should be thankful it's under $1000 

[williamyzfr1]

25 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

@Chmashdehjare I am partially colorblind myself, so I know what it feels like if you cant tell what color something is. If someone is completely colorblind having different colors is pointless.

If you wanted to help a colorblind person you should use bricks in different brightness, so white, lbg, dbg, black. Anyone can tell those apart as they dont rely on your color perception.

I am also partially colour blind and recently built the new Star Wars Landspeeder UCS. On a couple of occasions I had mixed colour studded plates when the remaining pieces should have all been the same colour. I had to backtrack to find out whre the missing pieces were and correct the colour mismatch.

[kbalage]

55 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

If you wanted to help a colorblind person you should use bricks in different brightness, so white, lbg, dbg, black. Anyone can tell those apart as they dont rely on your color perception.

LBG and DBG are actually pretty difficult to distinguish for casual builders, I've seen them being mismatched very frequently. 

[pleegwat]

3 hours ago, kbalage said:

LBG and DBG are actually pretty difficult to distinguish for casual builders, I've seen them being mismatched very frequently. 

I have a closed container with a small number of parts in a dark greenish grey, originating from a set from the late nineties. These parts are indistinguishable from DBG to my eyes, except in specific lighting conditions.

[howitzer]

I've often had problems distinguishing between DBG and black in instructions, so I don't think the grayscale-coding would work very well, at least unless you include white. Including also the exterior colour would help a lot (and be a B-model friendly). Whatever the colour coding scheme is, the most important would be to use the colour sparingly, with only a few pieces here and there which divert from the general grayscale chassis.

[Glaysche]

New Elementary parts review:

https://www.newelementary.com/2022/05/lego-technic-parts-review-42143-ferrari.html?m=1

[howitzer]

26 minutes ago, Glaysche said:

New Elementary parts review:

https://www.newelementary.com/2022/05/lego-technic-parts-review-42143-ferrari.html?m=1

What a parts pack, rarely so many new parts and recolours are seen in one set.

[Polarlicht]

Sheesh! How many of the 5k books does Lego just give away to "reviewers"?

[TechnicRCRacer]

2 minutes ago, Polarlicht said:

Sheesh! How many of the 5k books does Lego just give away to "reviewers"?

In one review, the book sleeve was unnumbered. Maybe they got extra copies not in the 1/5000 category?