MAB Posted January 27 Posted January 27 26 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Reduced to atoms. I‘m surprised it took them so long I feel bad for the fan site that released the video, as they probably won‘t be invited to such an event again anytime soon. Sure, it was an accident and this time the reaction was overwhelmingly positive and created a lot of buzz and excitement for the set, but I can‘t imagine there not being consequences for breaking an NDA They should be kicked out. I guess they will claim that they thought they were releasing information on the Sauron helmet which other sites were releasing at the same time and accidentally confused the two LOTR sets. If it was an accident then it is very sloppy and clearly they should not be trusted with sensitive information in the future, especially when there are enough fan sites that are more careful with reveals and sticking to agreed dates. I don't think the fan reaction to it has anything to do with it. They have taken away the reveal from LEGO. Quote
Altair1 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 3 hours ago, Roebuck said: What GPW make most sense with this set? 2-3 soldiers and 1 of them on a horse would be great for army builders.. The two most logical options for the Minas Tirith GWP are: - GROND, GROND, GROND! - Lighting of the beacon(s) Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 27 Posted January 27 21 minutes ago, Altair1 said: GROND, GROND, GROND! Seconded! That would be the perfect GWP to go along with MT! They could even recycle Gothmog and a random Orc from Barad-dûr Quote
Blazej_Holen Posted January 27 Posted January 27 2 hours ago, TheDoctor said: It's still on r/LegoNewsAndRumours and it still looks spectacular! Wow, what a set, I'd have no problem if this was the last set they release to round-off LotR. Great value too, hopefully the rumoured price doesn't change. I would have problem with this set ending the LOTR Icons line… There are plenty of scenes and locations for years to come… Quote
MAB Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Altair1 said: The two most logical options for the Minas Tirith GWP are: - GROND, GROND, GROND! - Lighting of the beacon(s) They both feel too important to be the GWP and likely to cause complaints if not available. But I guess as they are missing from the main set, it could be one of them. The Stranger Things GWP wasn't really part of the main set, same with Bag End, Death Star it was but fairly minor. Whatever it is, it will cause complaints. Quote
Roebuck Posted January 27 Posted January 27 2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Reduced to atoms. I‘m surprised it took them so long I feel bad for the fan site that released the video, as they probably won‘t be invited to such an event again anytime soon. Sure, it was an accident and this time the reaction was overwhelmingly positive and created a lot of buzz and excitement for the set, but I can‘t imagine there not being consequences for breaking an NDA A lot of the LAN people are apparently scatterbrains, its not the first time some of them leak stuff in stupid ways.. I would triple-checked everything before publication 2 hours ago, Blazej_Holen said: Rohirrim cavalry...you mean Theodén on horse (at most)? :D :D :D Probably 1 hour ago, Altair1 said: The two most logical options for the Minas Tirith GWP are: - GROND, GROND, GROND! - Lighting of the beacon(s) Sounds possible, but Grond need some orcs I guess Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 hour ago, MAB said: Whatever it is, it will cause complaints. No GWP: „Why is there no GWP for this expensive set?? Rip-off!!“ There is a GWP: „Why is there a GWP for this expensive set?? FOMO!!“ ‚Essential‘ GWP: „Why isn‘t this already part of this expensive set??“ Non-essential GWP: „Why is this unrelated / lame / boring thing the GWP for this expensive set??“ Exclusive prints in GWP: „Why is this print paywalled behind this expensive set??“ Nothing exclusive in GWP: „Why don‘t I get anything exclusive for purchasing this expensive set??“ I could continue, but you get my point No matter what they do, people will be angry. Quote
psqidexslizer Posted January 27 Posted January 27 23 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: No GWP: „Why is there no GWP for this expensive set?? Rip-off!!“ There is a GWP: „Why is there a GWP for this expensive set?? FOMO!!“ ‚Essential‘ GWP: „Why isn‘t this already part of this expensive set??“ Non-essential GWP: „Why is this unrelated / lame / boring thing the GWP for this expensive set??“ Exclusive prints in GWP: „Why is this print paywalled behind this expensive set??“ Nothing exclusive in GWP: „Why don‘t I get anything exclusive for purchasing this expensive set??“ I could continue, but you get my point No matter what they do, people will be angry. IMO, they should make the GWP be a smaller set ($30 maximum) that they do a wide release of like 6 months later. That way, no one feels like they’re missing out on something essential but people who buy the set day one still get to have something no one else does for a while. Quote
RichardGoring Posted January 27 Posted January 27 25 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said: IMO, they should make the GWP be a smaller set ($30 maximum) that they do a wide release of like 6 months later. That way, no one feels like they’re missing out on something essential but people who buy the set day one still get to have something no one else does for a while. Definitely! Quote
MAB Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said: No GWP: „Why is there no GWP for this expensive set?? Rip-off!!“ There is a GWP: „Why is there a GWP for this expensive set?? FOMO!!“ ‚Essential‘ GWP: „Why isn‘t this already part of this expensive set??“ Non-essential GWP: „Why is this unrelated / lame / boring thing the GWP for this expensive set??“ Exclusive prints in GWP: „Why is this print paywalled behind this expensive set??“ Nothing exclusive in GWP: „Why don‘t I get anything exclusive for purchasing this expensive set??“ I could continue, but you get my point No matter what they do, people will be angry. Bingo! Quote
TheDoctor Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Very surprised the video is still up! They may as well just do the reveal now, seeing as it's being discussed on large YouTube Channels and Lego News sites... Quote
MAB Posted January 27 Posted January 27 41 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said: IMO, they should make the GWP be a smaller set ($30 maximum) that they do a wide release of like 6 months later. That way, no one feels like they’re missing out on something essential but people who buy the set day one still get to have something no one else does for a while. Like doing a free LOTR brickheadz set but announcing it will be released on general sale later? If it is $650, $30 is about 5% so similar to waiting for double Insiders points. It really takes away the early 'must get'. I think one of the reasons Rivendell has lasted so long is because of the poor opening offer which has led to long consistent sales rather than a strong initial peak. Of course, that is either good or bad depending on viewpoint. Quote
Lordhelmet Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: No GWP: „Why is there no GWP for this expensive set?? Rip-off!!“ There is a GWP: „Why is there a GWP for this expensive set?? FOMO!!“ ‚Essential‘ GWP: „Why isn‘t this already part of this expensive set??“ Non-essential GWP: „Why is this unrelated / lame / boring thing the GWP for this expensive set??“ Exclusive prints in GWP: „Why is this print paywalled behind this expensive set??“ Nothing exclusive in GWP: „Why don‘t I get anything exclusive for purchasing this expensive set??“ I could continue, but you get my point No matter what they do, people will be angry. I prefer they mix it up to get all of these complaints. The opposite opinion is also present for these where some fans love the opposite of the complaints. So I am good with a mix to make everyone simultaneously happy and unhappy. my personal thought is I would prefer a gwp that has something exclusive without a further release. The brickheadz for Rivendell were so stupid. But I am sure some people liked that. that said a micro grond to match the gates would be awesome with an orc or two (obviously the orcs wouldn’t be in scale) but grond could be at the gate and it wouldn’t take away from a future set where they did grond better justice. would also like some extra soldiers, maybe with the weapons pack from Rivendell and a weapons rack/room or isildur Edited January 27 by Lordhelmet Quote
hikouki Posted January 27 Posted January 27 I actually want the gift with purchase to be quite a robust set and substantial in significance. But I get it, they should not be making it “exclusive“. What they could do is that the gift purchase is free when you buy the set (Minas Tirith, in this case), but the GWP is also available for purchase at a later date. I feel like this is more consistent with the practice of other promotional products, which may not even be toys/Lego. Didn’t they already do this when Rivendell came out? There was a GWP upon release but the set was available for purchase later on. Quote
Cyprinus Posted January 27 Posted January 27 They didn't. The Brickheadz was a January release and Rivendell came in March. They made a retail set a gwp, not turned a gwp into a retail set. Quote
Gnukan Posted January 27 Posted January 27 This is the first LoTR set that might match Rivendell imo, really cool to see the Lego designers at the top of their game again! Quote
Virginia_Bricks Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 hour ago, hikouki said: What they could do is that the gift purchase is free when you buy the set (Minas Tirith, in this case), but the GWP is also available for purchase at a later date. I feel like this is more consistent with the practice of other promotional products, which may not even be toys/Lego. That wouldn't accomplish their goal: Incentivize day 1 full retail sales. If I knew I could get the GWP later, I would just wait for a good sale or at least 2 VIP. If they made the GWPs more substantial for these large sets it might still work. You would need roughly a $35 GWP to make up for not getting 2x points and honestly probably $50-60 because during Insiders Weekend you can get 2x points and a GWP or two. 32 minutes ago, Gnukan said: This is the first LoTR set that might match Rivendell imo, really cool to see the Lego designers at the top of their game again! Personally I think all the large LOTR releases since Rivendell have been on the same par as far as design goes. A lot of people judge the Shire because of its price, but is a really well designed set for its budget limitations. You can't clearly add more interior without increasing the price substantially or evening fixing the trees would cost a decent bit of budget. Quote
Lordhelmet Posted January 28 Posted January 28 3 hours ago, Virginia_Bricks said: Personally I think all the large LOTR releases since Rivendell have been on the same par as far as design goes. A lot of people judge the Shire because of its price, but is a really well designed set for its budget limitations. You can't clearly add more interior without increasing the price substantially or evening fixing the trees would cost a decent bit of budget. I have liked them all, Rivendell was definitely special but all of them have been good 4 hours ago, Cyprinus said: They didn't. The Brickheadz was a January release and Rivendell came in March. They made a retail set a gwp, not turned a gwp into a retail set. Which was the worst gwp possible because hardcore fans had already bought the brickhead and ended up with a second one which wasn’t even a good one. I would be good with the retail set if it was already on shelves or if it at least interacted with the set in some way. An ideal gwp would be something like a battle pack, gives you a few extra mini figs with the option to buy more if you want. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 28 Posted January 28 You're never going to make everyone happy with GWPs, but what I would go with is something that, while not including any exclusive elements, does provide an addition (though not an essential one) to the set/sets it comes with. In Gondor's case, a mini Grond with some re-used Barad-Dur Orcs, or a Gondor Soldiers Battle Pack would both be excellent choices. That way you get something that feels worth buying the set day 1, but at the same time dedicated collectors can bricklink or PAB the parts separately if they missed out. Quote
Lordhelmet Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Anyone know which part is used for faramirs hair? I plan on fixing it. Thanks in advance. Quote
hikouki Posted January 28 Posted January 28 7 hours ago, Cyprinus said: They didn't. The Brickheadz was a January release and Rivendell came in March. They made a retail set a gwp, not turned a gwp into a retail set. My bad! 6 hours ago, Gnukan said: This is the first LoTR set that might match Rivendell imo, really cool to see the Lego designers at the top of their game again! I have to agree with that 110%. Barad-dur and Shire were great. But Rivendell was just magnificent. So with this one. 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: You're never going to make everyone happy with GWPs, but what I would go with is something that, while not including any exclusive elements, does provide an addition (though not an essential one) to the set/sets it comes with. In Gondor's case, a mini Grond with some re-used Barad-Dur Orcs, or a Gondor Soldiers Battle Pack would both be excellent choices. That way you get something that feels worth buying the set day 1, but at the same time dedicated collectors can bricklink or PAB the parts separately if they missed out. Battle pack!!!! That is it!!!! That would be an awesome GWP!!! Quote
Roebuck Posted January 28 Posted January 28 16 hours ago, psqidexslizer said: IMO, they should make the GWP be a smaller set ($30 maximum) that they do a wide release of like 6 months later. That way, no one feels like they’re missing out on something essential but people who buy the set day one still get to have something no one else does for a while. Then you would be stupid, very impatient, have too much money or a combination of them to buy a set day 1 Most people would just wait and get the set at another retailer for a lower price and buy the GWP 9 hours ago, Gnukan said: This is the first LoTR set that might match Rivendell imo, really cool to see the Lego designers at the top of their game again! I agree with the first statement, but think the 2 other sets have been nice as well. Did anyone recognize the Lego designers in the video? I paid more attention to the set Quote
Blazej_Holen Posted January 28 Posted January 28 The GWP issue in general is pretty stupid. LEgo shouldnt lock these small sets or dioramas behind the FOMO and hour 1 buy. Even though I undesrtand their marketign and sales strategy, i consider this as a pretty pathetic from a company such as this one. Quote
MAB Posted January 28 Posted January 28 If I was designing a GWP I'd also go for a battle pack. Maybe 2 Gondor soldiers plus 2 orcs, or 4 Gondor soldiers. Nothing exclusive (aside from the packaging for sealed box collectors) but still something useful and valuable for anyone wanting to fill their display / army build. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 28 Posted January 28 8 hours ago, Lordhelmet said: Anyone know which part is used for faramirs hair? I plan on fixing it. Thanks in advance. It was originally introduced for the Friends reboot, but has since been used for minifigs too. Examples include Sir Isaac Newton, Igor Karkaroff, Xenophilius Lovegood, Sméagol, Chu, and more ^^ Dark orange is a new colour for it! 38 minutes ago, MAB said: If I was designing a GWP I'd also go for a battle pack. I imagine people would be FUMING. Limiting a battlepack to one per customer is a bit antithetical to the idea of an army-builder, no? Quote
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