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[OOC: Sorry, I forgot, it´s 24 hours till we´re allowed to vote ] Yes, it´s really very early and I should try to keep cool. I´ll give carrie some time to reply to Shaun´s indictment. Still sorry for that, I just got up (after some nice verspertine free drink hours in Mr. Longs Bar) and when I´m weary (or hangovered) I sometimes act like a nutter (or make unfunny nameplays)

I´m not totally sure I got this Night Watch thing: So every NW-Member knows every other NW-Member, which are all proven town, unless hey are converted, right? And each can see who did a night action on them? And what night action this is? And beyond this power you have further, regular night actions, like repelling killing attempts on their lifes? And Carrie Price was a part of them, as well as Shaun Dows, but carrie was converted and therefore the scum knows every NW plus their night actions? So if I got this right, you NWs have some big problems, but at least we know the scum´s killer. If not, please explain me this whole thing, ´cause I really don´t get it. Either way, either Shaun is right and Carrie is scum, or Shaun is blaming someone randomly, which was very scummy. So killing carrie is a lock, if she´s scum we got one of them, if she´s not we should take on the teacher. It seems a bit early, but Shaun seems very confident, so I vote: Carrie Price/Callmepie

Yay, blood bath! Nice to see the action get started. I hope that´s the end of boring days of talking and framing and voting and unvoting (just hyperbolical, of course it´s still a nice experience) Zepher, assume I correctly, that there won´t be a new Apoc Comic before this game ends?

Well, in fact there is no solid evidence against either of them. But the evidence against Stash was, that the burglar in Stashs house justified itself against the one who discovered him, while the evidence against Erik was, that he brought up fuzzy assupmtions about mafias working together and more illogical stuff and didn´t stop today. Also many assume that there is a scummy guy in the police, which would give us a 20% chance to get him, maybe every family has an informant in police, therefore we would have 2 out of 5, which is the very best odd we´ll get in this game, unless someone´s investigated (which hasn´t happened so far and may never happen, as maybe 2 investigaters may be converted )or claims to be scum (which seems highly impropable to me ). Also, if you believe Ivans Stalker to be an investigater and Stashs burglar to be one as well, and therefore two investigators are turned around, and you also suggest that at least one policeman has investigating powers, than it is much more likely that one of the turned is a policeman, which increases the possible proportion of scums in police once again. All good reason, ain´t they?

I hate doing this, but I also hate doing nothing. I really don´t think, Stash is scum. I don´t believe in this "either Stash or a policeman is scum"-theory, but it is the only thing we have. Therefore I want to tie in with the Eric is scum theory of yesterday, although I defended him, and I know this must look fishy, and it is not because of his annoying studdering, but I vote: Erik King/KingoftheZempk I´m still unsure wether if he´s scum, but it´s beyond stash the only other option. I will bring up this second person to be voted for and hope, that he will be convicted during the few resting hours.

I agree totally with you, especially because I already brought up the possibility that Mr. Bricks is converted two times. The more I think about it, the less I think Stash is scum, but we don´t have any other suspects yet except for Stash, mr. Bricks, who´s disposed, and Erik King from the first round. Beyond them we could vote randomly for the ones who keep silent without good explenations, but I don´t think that´s the way we should go. The last possibility we have is waiting another round for some evidence, but I´m not sure if this will lead us to anywhere.

I think we´re doing a big mistake voting off Stash. I have no idea wether he´s innoncent or not, and odds aren´t good to kill someone randomly. But on the other hand we have no real suspects at all and not voting will lead us to nowhere, so therefore I´m willing to agree with killing Stash, but not before he had the chance to say something on his own which could erase any suspicions (although I don´t see any, I will just climb on the bandwagon) and not before someone has the chance to frame someone else instead. But if there will be no other suspects till the evening, I will follow the few others and vote for Stash, because a deadlock only helps the mafia.

Shit, I didn´t see that. Therefore, my argument of him being silent is void. Just remember this when you read my post in the game thread.

Wait a minute, I don´t get what you mean. You say, because one of the guys told the other, it wouldn´t have been stealig, Stash didn´t hold the briefcase? Why should the briefcase man be a cop or a mafioso? And why could Stash be the person, while you said before, It couldn´t be Stash? This doesn´t make any sence to me. Okay, this was very early. I think we shall vote, but we should wait at least till lunch, ´cause we really can´t kill someone for being victim of a theft who didn´t steal anything at all. What I believe, what hapened, is following: Someone (propably a vigilante) believed the Chief to be scum and therefore tried to kill him. The Chief was so obviously town (I guess he can´t be killed) that the killer decided not to finish the assasination. I think, both the Chief and the killer are town. Afterward, Ian was investigated by someone else, who had some contact with a scum man, who propably tried to bribe him. This is the only thing the briefcase could mean to me. Then, Stashs house was burgled, the burglar could have investigated or actually stolen something from Stash. While only a theft would claim not to be a theft without even being charged to be a theft, I believe him to be a theft. Someone -maybe the same person as the on who tried to use a night action on Ians stalker- tried to use the same night action on the theft -or not theft- which was used on the stalker of Ian. My interpretation: Someone (or two different people) tried to convert Ians stalker and Stashs theft as well. I just want to remind, like I said before, that Mr. Bricks was the only one who claimed to be suspect of Ian. He also hasn´t said a word today, and he was talking very much yesterday. Maybe he was converted by the scum. I won´t take responsibility for his guilt, but he is a good starting point. And, Stash, you´re right, these are no facts. I just assumed that everyone agreed with this at this time. I had no idea how many forms of interpretation are possible.

What an extremly interesting night it was. Well, first of all, no one was killed, I can´t say this time if killing or recruiting is worse, but there are some facts I can say: There are at least two recruiters and one killer. The town can´t use a recruiter, except they are something like a recruiting mason, which dies if they try to convert someone scummy or something But in the most likely case there is no, each familiy has one recruiter. Furthermore there is at least one Killer, who is obviously town, ´cause I don´t think there is a Recruiter and a killer in one family, as I don´t think there is two recruiters in one family. Therefore the scum can´t yet kill people, but they can´t fight themselves like this, which leads me to three possibilities: 1)There are certain or uncertain people who will be killers after being recruited, which seems quite senceful to me. 2)The only way to kill themselves is recruting some vigilantes with killing abilities, which means, there is more than one, and the others didn´t dare to kill or were blocked. Doesn´t make much sence to me, but it is still a possibility. 3)The scum is actually working together. I know, this is of the stove already, but this would be the only way to win without killing. I don´t think it´s like this, so I strongly suggest there are either people who become killers if converted or everyone converted will be a killer (only if there´s no other killer, of course). In the second case the scum would quickly get a converter and a killer, which means, we could convict a mafioso every day and will still lose. Next point: I don´t think anyone was actually suspect of Ian Cons except for Thomas Bricks. If he was the one watching Ian than he could be converted by he scum. It would make completely sence, ´cause he was talking a lot yesterday and made some assuptions, maybe he fortunetly hit a scum member who now converted him. I for sure will keep an eye on him, even if it´s nothing valid, just to get the ball rolling. What do you think about this? Oh, and, I´m happy there´s noone dead. I just hope, my son won´t have to see any bodys laying around here.

Except for Carrie Price and Susan Keen all Women are married, and Susan is a student, which means, there´s just one woman free. Also kind of sexist, isn´t it? I don´t care, for luck my character is married.

There were some in Baritones 2, I remind, weren´t they? They sound pretty funny, hope I will somewhen play a game with some. So day one is over, the game is really fun so far, I hope I will survive some more days

I´ve just taken my drink, my wife´s ones, my son´s ones and, errr... the ones of four other townies I can´t name... Hmm, sounds delicious, but I´m afraid, as a family man I can´t go to pubs at night. I wouldn´t be a good example for my son, so...see you again tomorrow for more free drinks(very early, I promise )

Well said, Doc. So what are we gonna do with the rest of the day? Anyone in favor for some more free drinks?

You know, that the town has to get rid of everyone, and not just number them out? In most games ... of life... there is 33% scum, which makes 12 mobsters, so every group should have about 6 members.

Ops, I forgot, sometimes I think, the war was already over...maybe it´s because Stalin´s dead or such...don´t know...megablocks

What meeting in which park? I don´t remember anything at all.

That´s absolutely nonsence. This is two rival mafia families, who are fighting about our beautiful town, and not two agents or such trying to contact themselves. I wonder if the godfathers know about each other. It seems rather incredible, but in normal mobs the godfathers know themselves...well, but if they could stay hidden to the police, they might have kept there identity secret or such...God, this sounds like a cold war thriller...

Well, actually, the mafias can most likely kill only one guy each, with a bit of luck even the same one or themselves. If we kill an innoncent it will be one dead more, which will fasten up the whole thing for the mafias. When I´m dead and you see I´m town, what´s the use? You have no proof for the innoncence of Mr. King, and neither you do of his guilt. You are actually as clueless as before, so due to that you will have to investigate him, what you also could do without wasting my life. May I remind you that 25% are needed to get someone voted of, but in most games of life one third of the people are mobsters? I think, we can´t afford losing anyone innoncent here. I still say we should keep cool and wait for the next day and the first body, instead of arranging a big witch hunt mafia.

I beg everyone not to kill me. There are people which are more suspicious than me, ´cause everything I did was defending a charged policeman whome I believe to be innoncent. Even though I don´t think we should kill someone, if you want to vote someone of, I would suggest Mr. Bricks or even Stash instead of me.

Well, that´s really good argued, I have to say. You´re right, He might be scum and I´m defending him, two things I can hardly deny. It also makes sence to prefer killing a poor house husband than a police detective. I just defended him, because I don´t think that there is anything suspicious in illogical talking, so in this respect I didn´t think he was a mobster. I don´t get it. You say, "it´s better not to vote anyone out", but you vote Mrs. Boy? How does this make sence at all? I don´t think we should vote so far since there is no concrete evidence we could base a vote on.

You didn´t even mention me until now. Would be nice if you could say any reason to make me able to defend myself.

Well, there have been many accusations and statements so far, so therefore I will tell my opinions about the people: Detective King: He has made a few ridiculous suggestions about mafias working togetherand having 2 Killers each and more logic-less things. Although I understand what he says, I don´t think, he´s right but I wasn´t suspicious of him. He also said he would be suspicious about Mrs. Boy who attacked him, just after someone else attackted her. Complicated and a bit fishy, I think, but I don´t think he´s scum, but I wouldn´t bet on it. He also could be Impartial, like the Bartender said. Would be another reason not to vote him out. Mrs. Boy: She wasn´t the first to charge the Detective, but one of the most insistend. I see perfectly what she means and I agree mostly about her and see nothing suspect. Detective Price: Tried to help as well and made some good points. I don´t see anything suspicious about her, either. Mr. Bricks: He wildly accusated people around him, such as Ms. Price, Mrs. Boy, Dick Dillan (who didn´t say much till now, I wonder where he gets his suspects?), Ivan Cons and Mr. Boy (who didn´t say anything suspect either) and Mr. King. He suspected Ms. Price for attacking Erik so instantly, but wrote him on his suspect list, too. He is the only one I am really suspect of so far! Stash the stylist: He started to vote for Mr. King, yet without any real evidence. A bit suspect to me. M biggest suspect so far is Mr. Bricks. Anyone who agrees?

Sorry, it was really not my intention to tell the scum how to win Well, I guess, the main thinking is, that the scum has to have men in the government or police to keep unrecognized. Of course you´re right, it is still possible that there is no rotten apple in the police. Anyways, I just wondered, why you, Ms. Boy, are so eager to get Detective King killed?

He just brought up the possibility, that the two families might work together, which I strongly doubt, but it is still not sure they don´t. He didn´t even immerse himself in this idea or acted on the assumption they do, he just mentioned it. This is no relevant point to kill someone. And neither is the clear lack of logic in what he said, I don´t think he tried to stir things up. I believe, the best strategy for the scum would be to let day 1 pass and kill someone in the following night instead of getting the ball rolling. Still this doesn´t make him our best option. There are 4 other police members, of which three only talked once so far. The might be scum as well. Killing someione for talking and making assumptions and bringing up yet unconsidered possibilities (even such irreal ones) is nothing scummy at all, I say.