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I started this list already ;-) And hope that others follow.There should be nine of them .....

or all together ;-) Perhaps @TexasEngineer454 should open a new thread and ask for others to add lists like that: 42099 4x4 X-treme Off-Roader Port A XL front drive white Port B XL rear drive red Port C L steering blue

Ah, thanks, this what I was looking for. I was only searching in the app itself.... ;-)

Great, then that's the best product for you. Just for interest, I found lots of building instructions (on the education page), but no "tasks" for the special models to be programmed, or examples. A hint would be helpful, perhaps that could make it easier for me to decide, too. Thanks.

I just changed my old doc "How to control PU", here is the result. 1 to 4 are the simple solutions and 5 -7 what we discussed her, hope didn't forget anything. This was I understood, is that correct? Of course there are lots of other ideas like RemoteBlaBla, using browsers for easy config or ESP.

That's true, I missed the "Multiplexing" but it should be possible to solved with a appropriate protocol. It was just an idea, LEGO has already rejected ;-)

No, a special port. Exactly how it works when you attached a self made or third party sensor into the existing PU distance sensor (LPF2) Please note: This is a hypothetical thread about how PU "next generation" could look like.

A hub contains - BLE support - Storage an processor to run a program - motor controller/sensor controller for each port With an additional driver you need for wiring - 2x 9V (from hub) - 2x Data - 2x 3,3 V (optional, from hub) And as electronic components only motor controller/sensor controller for the additional ports. No BLE, no processor, no button or LED at all. No stacking, but daisychain. So when programming/configuration/connecting you see i.e. one hub, but 6 ports. describe a simple ;-) MOC to be controlled and we could discuss in a separate thread how to solve it....

True, due do the graphical and iconic GUI the BOOST is much easier. And the success ist very immediate Here's the end of the first(!) robot instruction in the app And the first program. It operates with the grid contained in the box. Its easy, and its quick. And educational.

The huge difference ist that with a BOOST 17101 you have (the first level) in 5 minutes after starting smart device a robot running, and you have the 60 lessons where you really learn how to program, and you have the parts and building instructions, that means the tasks and ideas. That's all missing with RCX. The electronic is about 80€ (4 Parts, new), the complete set around 230 €. New! (used you get it for less than 100) I would never recommend a RCX for a 6 years old child today.

Ooops, just see that set is still buyable, would not have expected that. But the prices....

Absolute. The app seems still available. But the price for Set 17101 is now about 250 €, I bought mine for half of this, retail price was 170 € From 7 years, no reading any text, just numbers and single letters. The app contains 60(!) different task, which are unblocked, if the previous are done. And instructions for 5 models. If have been around with two sets for years on many exhibitions, and children form 5-6 and above had no problems to program something in less than 5 minutes. Strongly recommended! Download the app and check it out. And her are two very simple robots (besides VERNIE, who is the star of the set)

But look if the software ist still available for the desired device. Can the NXT motors be used as sensors, too?

Just install the App (I did it on my PC), and you'll find the three(!) examples. And just search for these "lessons", I didn't find them. And then you can decide. There is the universal "Powered up" app, and it has icons instead of "Scratch" Blocks with text.. Pricing is completely different, and all Spike sensors can be used. What is missing: the ideas what (and how) to build.

There are two types of the white flag with different clips, perhaps this ist the reason?

400 €, you don't need the expansion to start with. Yes, a hub with only two ports is pretty poor. Yes and no. It is much easier to handle for children. But in fact I have no idea how what you can do with it. I never found any program examples or "lessons", only building instructions. And you have to be able to read .... Much better is the powered up app and some tutorials or - a book for the parents ;-)

Sure. I think what you expect is something like a "how to start coding" with examples. This is missing. It was there with the BOOST App. It's really a pity that this isn't available any more. But if you are interested in that you find lots of tutorials and books. Or just try it ;-) This thread is about something that isn't here yet ;-)

The difference from my point of view is: you need thew BLE-Part of the electronic in each receiver, and you have to pair every receiver separately. And address them separately. With a booster you would have one receiver (in the "hub") and only increase the number of ports. If you are looking for a battery-box 88015 : 35 €. A PF IR Receiver as a pricing example for two ports : 20 € Means : 55 € for two ports, the hub 88009 is about 50,-- € Or 75 € for four ports, where 88012 is about 80 €.* I doubt that you can save money when buying LEGO .... As you said: the pricing has nothing to do with the production cost. Another disadvantage would be that you have two concurrent "systems". No, not all. I understood that that you wanted to do programming on the CC+ with a pretty small screen. (and not only configuration), here: There are 5 Sets in 5 years, i doubt that there there are that many pieces to get an acceptable price. This is the concept of the apps since 2017, starting with 17101 "BOOST" set. Very many of the coding blocks in the app are such "combined/predifined functions", and the "own" function blocks you mentioned are called "composite blocks". I already showed the the two function blocks for a car, one steering, one driving.That's all. So it's all there, the main differences: - using a smart device - using icons instead of text (languge independent) - creating complex programs possible BTW ** Real prices for the both Hubs on BL: 25-30 € , new, sealed.

Really? To me it seemed complete.What is missing? You used the link I posted and not any old one? (the BOOST i.e ?) No, the idea is to load the program permanently into the hub and use a remote. This is what pybricks does and what is planned by LEGO (VM-Ware), already announced. Yes. Like with the proposed CC+. @vascolp For adding a motor to your you could just use a Battery Box. Or the remote, and yes, this is missing for the technic hub.

Yes, that's the gap between the actual remote, a remote "level 2" and the CC+. But I showed already how to create this (i.e. via Browser). So we have Powered Up, we have your program, what's missing is only a website. I had that for the ESP32, you could there configure your program/MOC while running via any browser, just by connecting to the ESPs WLAN.

Might be But they are used to wipe on their smartphone. I was around for years with 2 EV3, 2 Boost, some PU Hubs on many exhibitions to show parents what their children would do with those sets. No one was afraid, and in summary all children from 5 to 6 years on learned to solve a given task in less then 5 minutes Here is the "lab" http://www.werner-falkenbach.de/bricks/PUremote/lab.jpg None of the parents complained about using a smart device, on the contrary : fascination about the combination of both, smart device and LEGO. on the left: 3 MOCs to play with them, driven by EV3, in the middle the Boost (with Vernie (17101) and a simple MOC-robot, only 12 parts), on the right hand side the PU/Python area I also have a quick tutorial: "learn to program in 5 minutes" ;-) But now back to topic!

Ok ;-) look at the lowest right sequence: - 1. parameter : control-element you use (lever) - 2. parameter: port of motor - 3. parameter: speed - 4. parameter : angle to move to (for the gear) Three other sequences are the same, only with different parameters. This is what you had to enter via the CC+ as well, I suppose. The upper left drives two motors (and can still be simplified) The upper right is calibration, and yes, that's programming, no doubt. The lower left drives just motor C (and can still be simplified) No, you can use the "hub" and the remote. The problem only occurs if you have a "technic hub". This is wrong has to be addressed to the COMPANY. The picture shows the complete program for the CAT, and yes, sure, you have to learn it. But it is far less complex than the gear in the CAT ....

;-) Control+ is only the app for the technic sets, you mean the coding blocks in the power Up app (which is the central app for all) and here it is: https://www.lego.com/en-us/service/help/Power_Functions/LEGO-Powered-Up-programming-blocks-kA06N000000g04eSAA?locale=en-us This what I wrote, you should operate your MOC without if you like, and this possible today. And many people do so. Here's a the picture, a simple example for the CAT http://www.werner-falkenbach.de/bricks/PUremote/CAT1.jpg (by the way, its is nearly the same like my barrier...spooky) and her the complete(!) program for a car using the tablet as a controller, just to show how simple that can be (I know, not what you want...) http://www.werner-falkenbach.de/bricks/PUremote/13.jpg

Strange, i tried it on another PC, without login ... here is the link:

I think you should configure the remote and their control elements. - Switch for "Port" it refers to - mode (on/off, prop, calibration) - reverse And this could be done via switches, as with PF. So: easy to use, no programming at all. Have a look at a simple ugly remote, two elements can be added on the sides. This would cover simple MOCs and sets, I think. Well, the question if it important that LEGO does. Documentation about coding blocks is available, but not specific for sets. And, as described before, there is not much "programming" needed, most of it is configuration. And there are really many tutorials available how to do this. But it wold not work without smart device, cause remote and technic hub don't connect. So it would not help. Of course not, it was the retail price. I would prefer a "booster", that means: one hub, and a second small box, the booster, connected to the hub, with two more lead-outs, C + D Did you try to do programming on a 6" smart phone? Here it is, with a 1x1 round to compare I would recommend 10" as a minimum for programming, which is much easier on a touch panel.