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This looks amazing, really detailed! It would fit in perfectly with the detailed scale model kits I remember from messing around with Marklin trains. Nice use different colours to give it the weathered and used look without overdoing it.

Loving the roof on that hut! And so much to see in the foliage, great use of colour.

Would love to see how the horses move, like others, even if they don't run at each other. I always love the use of trees and greenery, it adds so much. Great inspiration here.

No games scheduled at the moment other than Bob in May, so if anyone would like to have a go, do let me know.

This is fine.

Some classics in here, although I'm not a huge fan of the green man! Something more abstrach could have been used? Oh well, cool set nonetheless. I definitely like the new Empire State Building more than the old one.

Great review! I like this new approach with the smaller buildings but more diverse collection of landmarks. Agreed the bridge of sighs is a bit of a let down, but that printed piece on the tower is very cool. I guess the inaccuries come from the limited scale; these scales seem much smaller than some of the older sets, such as Big Ben or the Louvre (the two I have to compare to ).

For me, the perfect Christmas tree is one with presents under it! Choo choo!

Hey, how did the show go? I've been far too busy to make a trip up to Auckland but I hope it all went well, I'm sure some of the NZers on here would love to hear about it and see a few images.

Ping pong? I love ping pong! Let's ping some pongs to each other, it's a favourite pasttime. Wait a sec, why do we "need" a lynch today? There is no rule indicating we must lynch and I would have thought town would rather be cautious than lynch only on the "need" for a lynch. Not sure where OMGUS comes from but if you bothered to read my posts you'd see my logic perhaps. Or perhaps your narrowminded focus is too much on driving for my lynch than on considering my thoughts about you objectively, as a townie should.

Oh you're my granddaughter! I was trying to figure that out this whole time but didn't recognise you with that new hairstyle of yours. Don't worry dear, grandma is old and her time is coming soon anyway.

Ah well, as I am a vanilla townie I'd rather the vote go for me than for someone random who could potentially be one of our power roles. So I guess given that we are pushing for a lynch today, I'd rather it go to me, although no lynch would be preferrable as now we will be down 2 townies tomorrow in a game where we can't really afford to be doing that. This does give us an excellent opportunity to analyse typical scum voting tactics though, so I shall go through that now. The scum know that all voting in Mafia typically relies on the establishment of a bandwagon. Someone proposes a lynch, and other people will either support it, not support it and do nothing or not support it and propose a counter-lynch. Scum want to get the ball rolling where the town are being slow, but they want to do so subtly they hope, without giving themselves away. Hopefully, a townie will propose a townie lynch which they are more likely to do statistically, and the scum can either hide in the shadows and wait for it to snowball or, if the town are being sufficiently cautious as they should on the first day, the scum may need to support the vote. Not the whole scum team would do this of course, hopefully just one voice of hesitant support would be enough to trigger a townie to give support also and thus the bandwagon is created. The second option is where no townies are silly enough to propose a day one lynch; tactically they really shouldn't as the idea is to tempt the scum into doing it for them. My thoughts earlier were that this is what Patti has done, she saw an opportunity to start a bandwagon and took it, which is not typical town behaviour in the early game when there is nothing to base it on. After that, things get tricky. Either a gulible townie or two fall for it, or a second scum player needs to give support to the lynch vote, which is risky when voting patterns are analysed later on in the game. As this game will be quite short though, I suspect the scum may be willing to take a few more risks; there certainly won't be 8 days of voting to look at. SO my conclusion for you all to think on tomorrow is that it is very likely that Patti is the scum, or Patti doesn't understand town early-game and is a townie silly enough to propose an early day 1 lynch. In that case, I imagine one of her early sort-of supporters is quite likely to be a member of the scum team trying to nudge the bandwagon along, particularly anyone who may have expressed that they don't like to jump on bandwagons but are doing so anyway. Chalk me up as a defensive player that's fine; that's how I always role. If I'm town, I play town hard and jump straight on anyone who I find suspicious, particularly if they are accusing me. But either way, I do think the vote against me will be valuable for analysing the scum voting patterns so I hope that the town side will make use of this day and not see it as a wasted lynch which just lowers our numbers and does nothing else. We can't just rely on the luck of the power roles. As good as they are, power roles do not win the game. A bit of tactical voting and thinking is what wins these games. Good luck everyone!

Would I honestly say such a thing if I were scum? Don't be daft Patti. It is an obvious conclusion to draw. There would be absolutely no point in having a doctor if the scum kill action will always be useless because a kill is always submitted by the strongarm. The logical conclusion is that it means a kill action could potentially be submitted by someone else who would not override the doctor's protection. My theory would be the scum must have a strongarm with a limited number of uses, to be balanced. Certainly my experience in past games that have had strongarms were that they could only do so a limited number of times and it was always in a scum team that could assign the action to one of their number to carry out. That is certainly the logic I was working with, you are welcome to disagree with it of course but that is how I formulated my theory when considering which roles to vote for yesterday. Ultimately it is just theory but in my view it was helpful to consider these possibilities when deciding between the roles. Personally I think it is far more scummy to be twisting the words of someone that was actually trying to provide useful input to the discussion and had a different opinion to you. A "slip-up" argument is ridiculous and you know it; expressing an opinion twice based on the words of the host is no slip-up. Trying to invalidate my thoughts by attacking my activity is an equally scummy approach to arguing this, as firstly we know that town tend to be cautious when expressing their thoughts and secondly that quantity does not equal quality. Certainly I made sure to consider carefully my position on the role votes before contributing my views, which is much more useful than several unhelpful speculative posts that simply agree with what other people have already said. Scum don't like to be the first to disagree, they look for where the majority is going to be and make sure they are on it, then attack the town minority to cause division. Is this what you're up to? Anyway, my accusation then is that Patti knows this game will be short given our few numbers and is making a play to remove a knowledgeable town player early on in an attempt at what she perceives to be an easy speculation lynch. She speculates that something I have theorised based on my prior knowledge of general game mechanics and the wording of the roles posted by our lovely host must come from some other knowledge. She also asserts that I would be stupid enough to state twice knowledge that supposedly only the scum must have. She convinces the town to convict me, then on discovering my alignment tomorrow will exclaim that it was an honest mistake and that's just how day 1 lynches go. Classic scum approach to knocking off a townie nice and early if nobody else has got the ball rolling, which they haven't. With that in mind I think I shall place my own vote to contest that placed against me. I think the eager push and the attempts to rally support when she accepts my point are evidence enough of a careless scum probe pushing hard to gain town support before I can respond, rather than a carefully considered town vote. Vote: Patti Best (Piratedave84)

How could the strongarm "submitting the kill" possibly mean choosing kill over another action? The role was describing a doctor. It was saying, thw doctor's action will work to protect a person from a scum kill, unless it is the scum strongarm which does that kill, in which case the doctor's action doesn't work. If they were selecting another action instead of a kill action which must always be submitted by the strongarm, then that wouldn't make sense as the doctor would never be able to protect a person. Again, that all seems obvious to me from the role description and I don't understand how you are confused by it. I suspect our lovely host was attempting to be helpful by revealing that information, not deceitful or attempting to present us with red herrings. So I again I really don't understand your position against me, other than a lack of understanding of a simple sentence, or more likely an attempt to jump on the first thing you saw which you thought you could turn into a lynch.

Where on earth did the lynch Carla team arise from? Patti you're very keen to try and push a quick lynch for no reason more than that I was sharing ideas yesterday and attempting to help us make the best choice of action. You don't even seem to know what actions we voted... that's a bit awkward. And your speculation on the night kill seems rather forced. Personally, with a team this small, it looks to me like you're aggressively pushing for a quick lynch to get the ball rolling and the town numbers dropping. Ping, as they say?

What a scary monster! As to my comments yesterday, that was an obvious conclusion drawn from the framing of the doctor role, which said something along the lines of the doctor action doesn't work where the mafia strongman "submits the kill" on the target. Submitting the kill along with the information we already had that the scum can communicate at night led me to the natural conclusion that they can choose who submits the kill and therefore who carries it out. That's generally how these things work. Did nobody else reach that conclusion? Or are the scum already looking for an "easy" lynch target? Yes I'm looking at you Patti, your "asking me several times" right at the close of day when I didn't have an opportunity to respond was a lovely way to set me up overnight, rather than questioning me on my first statement if you were that concerned by it. Personally, I thought as we were discussing the matter of the strongarm in great detail it was already established in the group that any of the scum would potentially be able to submit the kill action. Alec lovely, if the watcher had watched the cop and he or she was killed, then the watcher would see who committed the murder, which in my view was less ambiguous than a tracker following someone who may or may not have killed their target (eg may have used a different role on them). But either way, as I noted yesterday, I feel we can make either role work for us if we use it correctly.

I supposer if we agree that the cop doesn't come forward unless he gets a scum reading, and the tracker doesn't come forward unless he witnesses murder then that is one feasible plan. I just see the watcher as having more utility as he can watch the cop if the cop comes forward, or watch some other person who may seem likely to the watcher to be targetted by the scum. Whereas a tracker just follows whoever seems suspicious, and as it seems the scum can change who does their kill action, I feel tracking is more likely to lead to dead ends. Well either way I think we can work with it. Of course, we can WIFOM with the watcher; is the watcher really watching the cop? Or is he pretending to and watching someone else? Who knows!

Hmmn well this is an interesting first day that's for sure, I like it! Certainly I think a cop is a good idea, but wouldn't a blocker be more helpful to us than a tracker? A blocker has a chance to save a life, whereas a tracker may not track the right person until it is too late.. our numbers are quite small after all. But then, it sounds like the scum can choose who submits the kill, so a blocker would be less useful in that situation. Actually, wouldn't cop and watcher be the best combination? In that instance, the cop can come forward during the day and tell us results, then the watcher can keep an eye on him at night; I think that's a better method of stopping the scum from attacking the cop than a blocker is, as if they strongarm they won't get caught and we lose the cop. However, that does mean our watcher would be tied up looking at the cop and the scum would just target other people. But it keeps our cop alive. If we go cop and tracker, I can't see how the cop can come forward with results without being murdered... Vote: Cop Vote: Watcher I'm still not sure where my dear granddaughter has gone...

Jinkies! It has a nice ring to it

Hello everyone, I'm Carla! I'm so looking forward to spending some time outdoors with my dear grandaughter. Has anyone seen her by the way?

Yes! Hello! I'm here! No cheating! I'm a dog! Woof! I totally have time! So much time!!

As a general comment, do refrain from posting anything that could influence the currently active players. Yes that includes sharing your thoughts about the game ending if you're a dead player and know what is going on. There is a dead writeboard for a reason.

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While disappointing that it isn't a new set, I appreciate those that don't have the original will really enjoy this. It's just too bad they haven't announced a new set to release at the same time for those of us that already have the first one. However, it isn't all that different from all the other re-releases we see in various themes I suppose!

Loving the paranoia.