Daniel Lucas

Sure, lemme just finish shaving.

There is no case, just your hypocrisy. Why are you not asking this from Vincent? Or from yourself? Maybe I'm just a better scum as a town than you are as a real scum.

I'm not lynching Justin. Also what are you doing Aiden by the way? Why are you not voting?

No Fabien, claiming is not overrated. Also why are you talking? Are you going to solve the game in the last hours of Day 4? Why not voting for the end of the day, when you already had your lynch a day ago. I thought you wanted to get Justin since Day 3. Why are you two still talking instead and already trying to clear yourself in case Justin would flip town? Also no. I'm in danger of dying since the moment I've claimed jailer. Maybe that's why I would not be alive. No need to twist.

This Daniel walls of texts talk from YOU is super pathetic. Also let's just see if I'm at least alive next day, shall we?

For what it's worth it looks like Emmett is a confirmed Tracker so I can only agree. Let's coordinate together and see how it turns out. I also agree that further details about this should be discussed privately.

Fair enough. The others have clearly made up their mind about you by now. Vote: End the day early

Hell no. You are two being locked down as far as I'm concerned until you are not cleared with new information. There is always risk to it, but letting you go after this no kill night is even riskier. Even your suggestion is scummy all over the place. Track who? And how will you confirm the tracker telling the truth? Another tracker? Or you? Cut the bullshit and cut this "Yes block us, please" reversed psychology talk. If you'd be anything of a useful town you should be ready to compromise and grab the chance to actually use your action, despite the possibility of being the next kill target, which you already are either way if you are not scum. We are all potential kill targets at this point. You said yourself you are not even that important. So maybe you shall just start to be a teamplayer. Yes, I'll directly ask Andrew and Fred with the night coordination to organize ourselves with keeping you two under control until we'll see what Justin turns out to be. And if you guys are town you should realize giving us information is much better then keep being blocked. If the scum is taking advantage of this, it is because of you, acting like snowflakes, while saying you are not even that important. If you are town you should know that we can block 2 other people instead of you which would improve our odds to catch a scum. If you are town... Don't even try to sneak out of this.

I can go without text walls if it makes things anything easier. I could say I'm voting for Vincent, period, end of post. The truth is I would also vote for Fabien because I want to know their role in this game. I can't speak for Andrew and Fred alone naturally but I don't see letting these two off the hook tonight until a Justin Reynaud really flips scum tomorrow. Framing or not we can't take the risk until they give us a good reason to. If they are not scum, this will just render them actionless and I don't see why would they benefit from that. Jean was pushing his intel and he was killed for it by becoming too obvious for the scum. If Fabien does the same with Justin now, I don't see how could we protect him this way.

There is nothing to admit. He is as scummy as you are, only he was blocked, yes. Also Fabien and Vincent were blocked, now they are very quick to point fingers at the only claimed blocked player. Like they wouldn't have given us jack sh*t themselves so far. I won't vote for claimed players today who can't be proven wrong with contradictions. End of story. Presented to them :'D My god, presented what? There are already 2 blockers, a jailer, you as a tracker and a protector out in the open. What do you think, the Scum did not figure out already who to target and who to suspect with even more dangerous roles? Don't you think we are quite able to keep the other lurkers kept under lock until the end? What is your plan, I'll keep jailing Vincent, making him worthless until the very end? He contacted both Andrew and Fred yesterday, but he did not contact me. Why? He trusted Andrew with a contact (the more dangerous scum candidate than Justin) and Fred who is only confirmed blocker now. But not me, while he said he may talk about details in PM. While he completely knew he is not going to say anything in PM. Which means he was bullshiting around to create empty text. I was the only confirmed blocker last night. And for some funny reason he forgot to contact me so I did it myself instead. This is his answer: How is this not as scummy as Justin? His role is useless if revealed? No shit. I guess that's the best definiton of the role "SCUM". Not the most important town role? No shit, then stop asking for patience and stop pointing fingers on claimed players without any exact information. Town will be able to succeed without him? Then why the hiding? Why would he be more valuable than any other claimed player? Choose someone with more value! MORE VALUE! What more value? Where? Gosh, this is the most forced scum talk. If I want to test him out as potential killer....aaaand there you are. I tested him out and we got no kill. What is the master plan? Do you want us to keep blocking him instead blocking other players if he is no scum? If he is no scum why would you want that? If he is no scum why could Robin not protect him for one night again? All of us claimed players have to be confirmed every day from now on. If Robin would be blocked and one of us could not confirm themselves, we know what to do about that. If Robin is killed instead, he is not killed and is free to do his Town-action. If Robin gets no explicit player to defend how are we going to ever confirm him? If one of the claimed blockers is scum, again, what is your master plan? Keep getting blocked and figure it out at the end with your zero intel? Or do you plan to wait until we blockers and jailer, even the claimed protector are dead? What will your weapon be after that?

Except you was voting on a wagon with a confirmed scum. Suspicious of what? Me being a scum? Well good morning, why have you voted for me before if not for that? See? Forcing a narrative into it, just as I've told you and you are going into it like a lamb anyway. I can do the same and being just as useless as you are. Let me give you an example: You were not voting for Alex for the same reason. Knowing he is going to flip town, like a scum would have known. See? Did we get anything out if this? Are we both scum? Also you were the one talking about me PULLING votes off Justin, while the same guys were jumping on Alex the same way without me. Am I pulling any votes from Justin now? There is no one taking any credit for anything, half of your talk is a redundant noise. You are just jumping on every little weak angle you can create not realizing with this approach you would already be the freaking Scum King himself. Yes, you miss something. Or you just want to miss. And yet you are still here talking. Go back, read and when you're done we can continue. Also you can't remember who Peter is? Aww, that's cute. But you have so much time to talk all the same. For the record the only reason I'm not voting for you is the exact same reason I'm not voting for Justin today. As I've said there is no way I'm going for a claimed player today. I can create the same train of thought why you are the scum who only feeds from information confirmed by others (Vincent, Me&Robin and potentially Fabien since multiple unconfirmed people knew about the coordination - fyi in case you'd be lazy to read back) just as the same way it was done against Justin. This is the same indirect reasoning why you guys are voting a claimed player with the same convenient claims. Go for it. He is one of the blocked, one less scummy player. Also just a Voyeur. And if he flips town you guys can keep doing your rumbling with zero confirmation about any action you've made so far. There is still 5 of you with no claims whatsoever. Only Aiden told us he is actually a passive role. Again, what we are going to need after this lynch are target claims, actions and confirmations. We need to find gaps and contradictions, and not letting blocked players leading the thread with theories which could be just as true for them as well.

Sure Mr Parrot. Are you done being butthurt? Because I left the Justin vote to go after you. I unvoted Alex as well and oh look, he was no scum! He made an actual helpful observation in his last post a scum would probably never do. Even Joshua gave us nothing useful for the future. But it was obviously too late for Alex to start playing the game at that time. So what is your angle Emmett? Don't you think you can force any narrative into an unvote anytime? Do you have anything useful to say? Yeah, who done the exact same thing as you today. Stay convenient in a hidden position with no actions needed to confirm. Yes, I remember someone voicing the same thing on D2. Would you tell us what was your motivation in roleclaiming Voyeur in PM to me and Vincent? You said "in case you are getting killed". But honestly why the Scum would have wanted you dead if you are Town? You were openly named as the main suspect by 3 other players already. For what it's worth, I did not tell you Fred is going to block the sh*t out of you, because either you were ready to make another clumsy Voyeur move on me or you were up to no good. Why not just claiming the day before? Yes, I am disappointed that we went for Justin this fast. No, not because I kEeP dEfEndIng hIm, but because I wanted more pressure on Vincent and Fabien. I think this Voyeur claim is pretty weak, almost too weak for a Scum move. Why not just claiming to target some blocked player with confirmed actions already taken on them. Like our dear Tracker, Emmett did, who could have claimed his N3 action very easily if the coordination was leaked. Don't you think, Robin? Don't you agree, Peter? The only reason I see lynching a claimed player anything more valid is at least we are putting away an obstacle to finally start forcing the other two to say something useful except pointing fingers onto the other blocked players without confirming anything about themselves. I find it hilarious that these blocked players were the most verbose pushing The Narrative while they maybe should have just kept silent and answered the questions asked of them.

Bus driver or ninja. I'm a bit surprised you don't even mention Joshua as the potential one who blocked you. That would have filled this gap right at the beginning but you seemingly did not give it an open thought.

Are you not tired of this already? Are you lazy or intentionally provocative? Why don't you just answer the question and maybe that way I would have supported the Justin vote already. Who did you target N1 and how can you explain that your action has failed? All the claimed blockers' target are confirmed for every night and we haven't got even a single other claim of being blocked since.

I don't see Justin telling us anything more useful except his suspicious claim and his questionable motivation of the roleclaiming PM sent to us. But also at this point he is just being forced into a more scummy narrative by Vincent in my opinion. Also Aiden's support for him in every debate is just very funny at this point. If I'd have not experienced this myself I'd say they know something we don't. Which is actually somewhat true considering the they are non-claims atm. Also we saw where this observation leads, so let's just leave it like that. If we lynch Justin this whole charade would just end at least. As far as I'm concerned, I still want an answer to Vincent's supposed N1 failed action. Vincent, are you going to give us anything on that or you're just going to skip the question to continue your debate with scummo Justin?

Agggggain, no one says his claim is anything good or strong or not even suspicious. But still can be the truth, while what you are giving us is nothing. You just asking for empty trust. Why would we give you trust and deny it from Justin who at least said something he needs to stay consistent about. Also I'm not speaking for Town by myself. You already voted for Justin, I vote for Vincent because I want that N1 failed action explained. If the others choose to go for Justin without knowing anything about you, that's the way it is. (Fred blocked Justin N3, sorry forgot to update that) (Also missed to mark Vincent as blocked N3 by me, but he did not confirm it explicitly if I'm not mistaken)

Because I'm not acting like it doesn't matter. It does. As I've said, from the claimed ones, Robin and Justin are the untraceable ones. Also Voyeur is a weak power role so losing Justin would not even be the end for Town. But even a Voyeur has its use in later confirmations. You guys have accused Justin for some time. I've read all of your arguments about him and they may very well be true. Only that he claimed and it can't be decided for sure. It does matter. Only that I do not know anything about you or Vincent. Vincent suggested that we should be patient about it. Well... ( ) patient about what exactly? If you want to help Fabien you may tell us anything which would even suggest why lynching a claimed player would be more beneficial than checking either Vincent or you out this day. I think the ball is in your court at the moment. This is a false assumption. Being prepared to claim and staying consistent about it until the very end is absolutely not the same. You are justificating of being silent with this statement.

Interesting thought. If that is the case I think we'll never know, since it is a condition only the killer is told about. I myself don't believe a restriction like that would be the case, scum not making a kill is always an angle to play in certain situations. I can't speak for everbody of course but again this is my stand at the moment: Since there are 5 players we know nothing about except a failed attempt of anything and a blocked action from yesterday, I see no way that I'm going to vote for a claimed player this day. Most of them are confirmed with their roles and there is no information that would suggest their potential scum alignment anything more than with the un-claimed ones. Considering the claimed players, Justin and Robin are the most untraceable, since their actions can be made up very easily, especially Robin, because of the restricted protection claim, which lets him to just tell nothing exactly. He asked me who to protect and my answer was either himself or one of the claimed blockers since only we can stop a kill attempt as far as we know. It seems he chose no one. Either we take the risk and lynch such a claim or just let him be for the moment. So. You unclaimed guys are either useful assets or potential scums enjoying the convenience of secrecy, not forced by anything and anybody to be confirmed even in the tiniest manner. Trenton and Peter are practically just cherrypicking a couple of topics to repeat or ask about in an almost totally redundant way. At least in my opinion. Trenton is one of the 4 players who voted for me with Joshua (just for the record). You Aiden was quite active while I was accusing you, you had some pro-town observations, but also seemed to be biased with busting my balls while not voting for me since D1. At least in my opinion. And we have Fabien and Vincent again, the two blocked unclaimed guys. Fabien went kind of AWOL D1 and the first part of D2 which I don't like. Did not vote several times. And there is my dearest friend, Vincent. I've told everything in the previous post I currently think about him. In my opinion it is the time they get some pressure and give us something which could be checked or confirmed upon. Or you guys go and vote anybody you find suspicious, but then we're back at D3 with one less townie. Vote: Vincent Denis My reason: I want his failed N1 action attemp clarified. There are no additional known blockers out there. I think it is a huge mistake we just went past this.

No need, because I knew of course. But what should I tell Emmett, one of my main suspects? Now at least he was able to confirm his Tracker role, while I was truly wanted him to track Justin in case he is not getting really blocked. How would I have known Fred is going to block him? All I wanted by N3 is confirmations for claims. Then stop implying things you already know you won't do. Your alignment leaning on me always flips the most conveniently, always to force you not to actually say anything about you which would need at least one confirmation. This is a sneaky play and gives just as zero reason to trust anything you say. My cards are on the table since D2. All we have on you on the other hand is untouchable talk with excuses all the time. That was the whole reason of the coordination. To make us consistent to our supposed claims. Why would they have trusted me more? Risk. I don't buy this risk talk, period. There is nothing to do with theories based on scum taking risks. Also yes, I am pushing you to give us more information. What do you mean I'm the only one? You want votes on yourself? Or more push by other players so you can see it is not a scum fishing act? Again you Vincent, Aiden, Peter, Trenton and Fabien, you guys give us nothing. Nothing. All we know is some of you were blocked at certain times. Two of you were blocked yesterday and there was no kill. Until there is more information we can link together or confirm, I don't see any more reason to create indirect theories anymore. It is D4 and they are useless at this point. We all have questioned almost everybody and theorized about everybody as a potential scum. And you guys just sit there conveniently, talking BS about your role being more useful not revelaed. 'No shit'. All we have know is to confirm supposed actions, targets and results. I can totally see Justin as scum and that's why I wanted to see if Fred is ready to block him. Of course if they are scum together, Justin may have been totally free to do his stuff. But there was no kill and you are the only supposed protected player. This case Emmett's tracking could've tell us more. But this is not what happened. You and Fabien give us the same "we won't claim anything" talk. We all know the possibilities of you being important, however when asked about it you kind of wish-wash, saying it was never implied nor actually that important. Really. Like all roles would not negate their effect after claiming. I don't buy this anymore, it is that simple. There is absolutely no need for you to say anything, because you have nothing to give. Your suspicion of Justin is shared amongst us as well. But he has a claim at least. It has its suspicious blind spots but no contradiction. Your theories are just as useless now as any other theory. There is not enough reason not to push Fabien and you to give us something which can be actually checked. Why wouldn't it matter? Scum have no more intel about who is being vanilla at N1. The theory of me claiming to jail him should imply a huge risk taken by me if I'm scum. We had absolutely zero idea about what Alex is. Since he was town, we know he would have not lied. You just answered the question yourself too Peter.

Robin and Emmett confirmed I was targeting him and he was blocked. I jailed Alex N1. However no confirmation from him, but the vanilla claim. Now we know he was town. Which means if he would have been not blocked he would have revealed that I'm lying by his actual role before getting lynched. But he had no role apparently while being Town. Also if I wanted to just claim the block as a scum I'd have had no intel on Alex to be sure I'm choosing a vanilla since it was N1. Emmett called this luck, but I'd call it a stupid play a scum would never do. This is all indirect information and I'm quite said I had to point these out myself, but with Vincent getting blocked the previous night it should already be enough not only to believe that I can block, but that I'm with Town. In this case why would I lie about being a jailer. I tell you what I don't like at the moment guys. This "I don't reveal because that would help scum" talk. This is just too open and untouchable. I jailed Vincent because I asked him who he targeted again in PM, because he suggested in PM he could have answered but not in public. But even in PM the only thing was this general I talk but say nothing respone. Either the one you would say to a scum, or a scum would say to a town. Here we are. I was hoping you will contact me, but seems you won't. If what you say is true, you are very well a potential kill target. I can only offer some jailtime for you with its tradeoffs in case you want a protection. I understand, but maybe you shouldn't try. You were the one to imply things and refer to PM communications. Now here we are, having a PM finally and you said you could answer these questions here. So I am asking who did you target? If what you said is true we have a very solid reason not to trust our blocker guys. This was our PM talk. To answer your question Vincent, my theory about Fred changed in a way, because they've finally not only blocked each other. They are now confirmed blockers. There is nothing about their alignment, but that is true for all of us, we only know of indirect implications and fragmented information about the killer's potential identity. While this is still coming from the most simple perspective, I can't ignore the fact that 3 players were blocked. I don't like Fabien's call out for the scum not to kill. Just as I've said it sounded like a tryhard self-defense statment well in advance. I also don't like that you Vincent don't tell us your targets. Your supposed unsuccessful target claim still does not fit into the picture. You've implied that you are something important for Town everybody needs to be patient about, but all you do is pushing the topic away. In public you refer to PM's to talk about it, in PM you give back this speech of you suddenly being not that important. I jailed you becuase I felt you wanted to sound easy about it, like someone who suddenly does not even care. I think Justin's target on Jean is suspicous and convenient. The Voyeur claim is a bit risky however. If Andrew was targeted by anyone else N1, we would have proof that Justin is lying. So as Emmett would say, it is either a lucky claim or the truth. Or it was the truth and Justin was really a framer. He did say he is going to target me next. I have only one problem with this. Now we see nothing harmful was done to me. If so it would've been just another blank report of me being dead. If not dead, the second most likely thing to get is maybe a block, but I could have reported it back myself. I'm not sure of this, Voyeur is not that powerful and there is a lot of narrative, but if he is the killer and I'd have ended up dead but while he getting tracked by Emmett in the meantime, this Voyeur claim would have been the perfect alibi.

Maybe, I'm not sure. I find the first supposed target's identity even more curious. Would be interesting if someone could counterclaim that.

No, I just had to tell the others. Maybe, maybe not. Fred's other contact should confirm this as well I guess. Yes. For what it's worth I find it a bit too convenient claim, since if tracked it can give an alibi to 'visit' Jean. Who is totally dead of course. I mean rest in pieces kind of dead.

Actually I have. I've told Robin at the very end of the night, in case both of you are scum and I'm getting killed. He read it and even replied before Bob wake us all up, so if someone could've calculated with this except us, it's him.

Okay, we're getting there. I created a table tracking our claims and supposed targets we know of. Correct me if something is wrong here please. I am already confirmed as a blocker considering Alex was indeed Town. Anyway, I guess you confirmed getting blocked the night by not denying it, since we know you have a power role. Until we get new information, I think our best option is to go for one of the blocked players. This could've been a framing move by the killer, but I don't see any better odds at the moment.