TwistLaw

It doesn't make any sense to compare obscure characters or things that can be recreated very easily with what would have been the most important piece of BIONICLE G2's third year, if not of all the reboot. Ending a line like BIONICLE in such a way is an exception in LEGO's history, something that makes me wonder if they really hoped to get stellar revenues out of poor marketing. They literally decided to end it in 2015, and in my humble opinion giving such little time to a theme like BIONICLE sounds greedy. They prefered to have a whole year without CCBS-exlcusive themes rather than giving BIONICLE a decent ending. By the way this post you made last May raises many interesting questions, since this is exactly what I thought until last week. They must have had sales figures already available in 2015, otherwise things get a little more complicated.

We knew since day 1 that two characters named Ekimu and Makuta existed in the story. We even saw them in the animations. We knew we were gonna get them physically sooner or later. And by January 2015, with the reveal of the Ekimu set, it was 100% guaranteed. One thing is sure: we were promised the mask of ultimate power, they even showed it to us literally last week. But we will never get it. That's inexcusable. I can't believe this was written by one of the people leading the BIONICLE community. BIONICLE is a timeless classic with tons o potential. Describing it as a "one time wonder" is truly offensive for the people that created it and believed in it until the very last day.

Dorek, I know you have your reasons, but you really can't compare the effort that was made in G1 (an effort that gave us a FULL WAVE of sets with new molds!) to the one that was made in G2. This time all they did was literally asking LEGO "can we rewrite the last five minutes of the story in order to give it a vaguely cohesive end?". LEGO's effort was minimal and it would have actually been counterproductive for them to end a "story driven" (...) theme without a proper ending. And I don't really think we can keep on saying today's kids don't like BIONICLE. As it was already proved action figures are on the rise since 2013, and movies like Transformers during the last decade created a generation interested in robot-looking characters. If BIONICLE failed, blaming the toys themselves is a clear blunder. At least, putting all the blame on their shoulders.

It won't be available to the general public, mostly because the demand is almost non-existent. BS01 will host scans.

There are people who underline certain details in order to prove they care about the line, not because they think LEGO has any obligation to them. I think the promise LEGO made two years ago was a deal with all the fans, not just with those willing to pay the most. Therefore we all have the same right to feel betrayed.

THANK YOU

Are you trying to be sarcastic or something, I don't get it.

Well at least the kids who bought a set with inspiration models printed on the box had something to play with: a toy. We'll never have Makuta. We'll never get the MoUP. At least give us instructions of the set we were all waiting for, the set we were promised two years ago.

I hope these are the last words I need to add, I don't wanna monopolize the thread: as a BIONICLE fan I feel insulted by the way LEGO decided to end everything. I just watched the last two episodes of Journey to One and they were just... cringeworthy and uninspired. The typical work of someone that has to do it, but really doesn't want to. The situation is so ridiculous to the point they didn't even provide us with instructions for the Makuta model! My god. We're lucky that they'll send some pictures to Dorek, but I really feel insulted by this attitude. You tease us with a mask you will never sell us, you show us models without even giving instructions. And conclude the story with two forgettable, uninspired, episodes. BIONICLE G2 may be summarized with one word: a waste.

Well I spent 500$ on BIONICLE G2, I think I communicated my "passion" pretty well. You should have a rough idea at how pissed off I am right now knowing I won't be able to have a complete collection of G2 sets, especially since we were showed the Mask of Ultimate Power without even having the possibility to get it as a polybag. For me, this is disrespectful towards the fans, towards the people that regardless of bad marketing choices spent money and time for LEGO and its products. And my english may be poor, but I don't need a translator to understand when someone taunts me or people with ideas similar to mine. But I'd like to stop right here as far as this last point is concerned.

Oh, and by the way I'm pretty sure that LEGO will never say "sorry kids, we made a mistake". BIONICLE will be the only culprit for them, thus disappearing for a very long time, if not for ever. I really don't think LEGO is humble enough to admit a false step, for sure they'll never say sorry to the fans. Why should they? But the end of BIONICLE should worry us for another reason. LEGO is becoming more and more relying on other franchises in order to make money, franchises that have rich and strong stories. Star Wars, Marvel, DC, you name it... all the money they made out of these themes thaught nothing to LEGO, at least as long as we look at BIONICLE G2's story. A story that was kept as simple (and uninteresting) for the general public as possible. They were so insecure they didn't even want to give names to the Protectors. And, in general, it's not healty for LEGO to rely so much on other people's properties. They do have their own strong IPs, but they're making less money than the licensed ones do when combined. We liked it because it was a good story by itself and we're fans of BIONICLE, but a kid who knows every Pokémon name and wears all day long a Batman t-shirt, why should he care about robots doing generic things without a backstory? G2 masks didn't even receive a proper name. Yuks. That's what I mean when I say LEGO didn't believe in its own franchise. They sold BIONICLE G2 with a debatable (to say the least) marketing campaign hoping older fans could lead the way. The only problem is that there aren't even anymore that many older fans out there.

The comment I posted yesterday was written out of emotion, by now i had the time to gather my thoughts. The single thing that grieves me the most is how bad this second cancellation hurts BIONICLE's reputation. Until 2014 BIONICLE was known as LEGO's most succesful IP of all times, their longest running theme every (amongst those with a story), the franchise that saved LEGO. A saga that ended after ten years with an entire wave devoted to celebrate it (I know the Stars are controversial, but they weren't even supposed to exist: that speaks volumes about BIONICLE's former importance). From yesterday onwards, BIONICLE will be remembered as the line that couldn't even manage to reach its planned end. How many times did that happen in LEGO's history? Not many, not when such a huge name was in play. The marketing has been ridicolous, and at last some people here found the right words to express this. I'm not saying LEGO didn't spend money on BIONICLE G2, that would be objectively wrong: LEGO spent it to promote it mostly amongst american AFOLs, making a ginormous mistake. I'm sick tired of people repeating like a broken record of the NYCC panel, solid gold masks, designer videos etc. That was all stuff directed to an extremely small minority of AFOLs, and as we all know AFOLs don't like that much BIONICLE, not even after 15 years since its first launch. The target audience are 8-12 boys: do you think a french or german kid would care about a panel at an event taking place thousands of miles away from his home? It's like LEGO thought "of well last time BIONICLE sold well in the USA, let's spend our small budget to promote it there forgetting about Europe". The books arriving only in France at the end of this year, the absence of commercials and events are all clear examples that Europe was forgotten as much as in G1. In order to make you understand how bad BIONICLE G2 was promoted, I'll offer you a glaring example. Topolino (Mickey Mouse) is Italy's most read magazine for kids, and it's published every seven days. Each time a new wave of Hero Factory came out, for at least four weeks the back of the cover showed an advertisement for it. They did so until IfB. Do you know how many times BIONICLE appeared in Topolino since January 2015? Zero (0). That is never. How can you even think to sell a KIDS' TOY if you don't promote it on something that almost ever italian kid reads every week? If BIONICLE did really have a small budget (as it should be pretty clear by now), they should have spent it in such a way that could allow KIDS to know about the existence of the line. Not whiny adults on the internet. And speaking of adults, I think that the extremely small community of BIONICLE fans that still exists on the internet tried as much as it could to remind us that BIONICLE should have stayed in the past. Arguments, denial, blindness... thank goodness the majority of people, here and elsewhere, allowed BIONICLE to have small places on the web where it could be discussed with dignity. But whenever I think that somebody once told meBIONICLE was failing because fans weren't writing more fanfictions of it... my god. Let alone all the worried fans that have been labeled during the last few months as "doomsayers in search of a short term popularity". Sickening. As for myself, my career as a LEGO customer is officially over. I was interested only in constraction, I'm not really a brick guy, and since it has officially become a way to expand System themes, the almost guaranteed absence of CCBS-exclusive themes until the '20s leaves me very little to look forward.

Hilarious. Hero Factory lasted two times BIONICLE G2 did, receiving tons of backlash. The Okoto arch was well received by fans, was fresh and well made and yet... I won't sugar coat it: this is HUMILIATING. It makes me feel embarrassed that such a great line with such great ideas wasn't well received by the general public, and that was castrated (yep) by LEGO itself with a story kept as simple as possible. Thank you Ryder Widham, for trying as hard as you could to build an interesting story. Thank you designers, for making such awesome sets. And about LEGO... I'm not really in the mood right now to thank you. You brought back a great theme without really feeling it. You HUMILIATED our favourite toyline by making people believe it can't even reach its expiration date. And to all those people who called us, worried fans, "doomsayers in search of web celebrity": just shut up now. Really, please. I'm bitter af and I don't really give a sheet about what people may think of fans like me. This is ridiculous and, as I said, humiliating. TwistLaw out.

I'm 99% sure we'll get a golden MoUP. It's the flagship mask of 2017, just like the MoCr and MoCo were for '15 and '16. On the other hand I think it may very well be possible for us to get a trans-purple or black MoUP in summer. If there ever will be a summer 2017 for BIONICLE, of course.

I think there are high chances we're gonna get that black Mask of Fire along with the small guy wearing it, at least as a polybag. The printed pieces are a strong indication we're gonna see them again in a few months. I don't think the official Makuta will be as big as the ones we've seen (BIONICLE G2 seems to have an ever narrower range of prices than Hero Factory: we still haven't seen a set costing more than 30$), but he will for sure be using at least those printed pieces.

I think there are high chances we're gonna get that black Mask of Fire along with the small guy wearing it, at least as a polybag. The printed pieces are a strong indication we're gonna see them again in a few months. I don't think the official Makuta will be as big as the ones we've seen (BIONICLE G2 seems to have an ever narrower range of prices than Hero Factory: we still haven't seen a set costing more than 30$), but he will for sure be using at least those printed pieces.

Like most of the voice acting for this show. We're in for the bonkles, not for the drama.

>that feeling when in JUST two months we'll know the official form of Makuta

He sure does have an interesting build... I don't see any new piece in sight, does any of you?

Oh yeah, absolutely, infact I appreciated very much the reintroduction of classic pieces. The case of Guuhrak's staff is, in this sense, the most incredible: a piece that was last used five years earlier comes back in a colour that wasn't used since almost ten years. That's amazing, and I really wish they'll bring back more stuff. This will sure help G2 in having a wider array of pieces to use while keeping at bay the cost for new molds. In general I consider canon pieces from G1 only those used in actual sets, but I may have some excpetions from now on.

Since I began MOCing I focused on creating characters with whom I could expand the G2 story. In order to do that I strived to use pieces released from 2011 onward -that is since CCBS was introduced-, especially pieces BIONICLE officially used since 2015. To all the MOCers out there that build this way (of course those who mix G1 and G2 pieces are not concerned by my question) I ask: to which criteria do you resort when choosing CCBS pieces? I own some interesting add ons (like the flaming ones Fire Lord used) that don't appear in sets since years and are likely not do to that ever again. I use them anyway, but it bothers me to know that an official set wouldn't. And I perfectly know this is a trivial question, no doubt, but I'd like to know how other people here handle this peculiar matter.

My goodness, this is so obvious and yet I never thought of it. Makes plenty of sense. I'm really liking what I'm reading in this thread. Makes me wish we still had those threads with the author of the story like we did in G1... Ryder Windham did A LOT to make the G2 story richer and more sensible. I think he's the kind of guy that would be glad to take a couple of suggestions from the fans.

After almost two whole years of story we've had some theories and discussions, but I haven't seen much talk about the headcanons each one of us created around Okoto and its characters. This topic is the right place to share this beloved and yet controversial aspect of any thriving fandom. I'll start with mine: -the toys are 100% accurate representations of the characters JtO made an awesome job in giving life to the Uniters, Creatures and Umarak, but I still think it took too many liberties (an example: the legs on Ekimu's falcon). I know sets may be gappy and all, but I still think they're solid enough to be actual biomechanical beings fighiting, hunting and living their lifes. As a consequence of this first headcanon... -the biological components of the characters are actually inside their bones We don't have a percentage telling us how much biological the Okotoans are, unlike the 15% back in G1, but we could guess it's not much more than that. And, as delicate as they are, I think these components are well protected inside their bones and armors, far from the eyes. -the side of the torso/limb left uncovered by armor is actually protected by a small magnetic field The easiness with whom mechanical parts need to be replaced created a series of consequences, the most glaring one represented by the fact that the armor covers just one side of the torso/limb. To compensate, a small magnetic field generated by the armor itself protects the uncovered area. This applies as well for torso armor. -the society of the Okotoans isn't patriarchal neither matriarchal, yet there are more males than females Onua was surprised Korgot was female, even though the legend talked about "fathers and sons", but I think this happened just because he wasn't part of their society. For the Okotians male or female is not a big deal, and while in G2 most of the leading figures were males (beginning with Makuta and Ekimu), I think it's just because there are mole males than females. Nothing suggests us that males have more power than females, and I think that in this aspect G1 and G2 are the same: females exist, they don't face any problem because of that, but there are simply less of them. And speaking of females and males... -the Okotoans don't reproduce as we do I think it's more of an energy thing. They may fall in love and such, but when they decide to have babies some sort of meditation comes in play along with their limited amount of biological components. They don't get pregnant neither lay eggs, but after the "meditation" the newborn is just there. Not much different from how matorans were made in G1, except this time love plays a role. I think those are the most relevant headcanons I have for G2. Please remember: they're just that, headcanons. I'd love to hear yours, I hope this thread sparks an interesting discussion.

True! Sadly back in 2007 I had a limited amount of time to spend on the internet so I don't exactly remember how Hydraxon was advertised, but in the Toa Mahri mini movie he's seen fighting with Maxilos. And Maxilos was literally Makuta. But if you have any piece of advertisement stating otherwise I'd love to have a look! This is also true. While their "faces" weren't exactly your average winner from a beauty contest, their overall appearance suggested with ease that they were the good guys. The only exception to this are the Hordika, but that was literally their job.

>a typo you must be new. Anyway I love anime-style figure done with CCBS and System, this one is no exception. Wish I had more System pieces so I could build one myself