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I've been thinking, for a good long while, that the part count for this set makes no sense. Well, I think I figured out why. CranesEtc recently did a review of a 1:50 scale model of the Liebherr LR 11000, made by NZG. While this is not the exact same model as 42146, there is something on NZG's website that I found interesting. Apparently, their model is made out of 1557 parts. I refuse to believe that Lego could make a similar model from only 2800 parts. Like, even with all the big diecast parts, the NZG model is already at 1557. And, many of the parts of that model that are a single piece would have to be made out multiple parts in a Lego model. Plus, the last Liebherr model, 42100, had closer to 4000 pieces, and thus was actually a good value. This is what makes me think the part count is off.

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6 hours ago, Saberwing40k said:

I've been thinking, for a good long while, that the part count for this set makes no sense. Well, I think I figured out why. CranesEtc recently did a review of a 1:50 scale model of the Liebherr LR 11000, made by NZG. While this is not the exact same model as 42146, there is something on NZG's website that I found interesting. Apparently, their model is made out of 1557 parts. I refuse to believe that Lego could make a similar model from only 2800 parts. Like, even with all the big diecast parts, the NZG model is already at 1557. And, many of the parts of that model that are a single piece would have to be made out multiple parts in a Lego model. Plus, the last Liebherr model, 42100, had closer to 4000 pieces, and thus was actually a good value. This is what makes me think the part count is off.

Hmm.  CranesEtc. is a very reputable channel, but did you look at the unpacking of the LR 11000?  Does not look like 1557 parts at all.  Unless, and this is a big unless, they are counting all the screws, etc. used to assemble the model, which I am sure they are, why wouldn't they?  Also remember for every screw there is a corresonding nut.  I have several large diecast cranes, all mobile cranes (including Liebherr LTM 11200),  so track count is out, but the part count on that is nowhere near 1500 parts.  I get it, smaller crane, etc., but really, there is reason to believe the 1557 figure may not be correct.  

If it is correct, consider this.... the size of the diecast is many times larger than the purported Lego version.  The video you refer to indicates that the review covers a model with an extension pack, which he refers to making the model "a real ceiling buster".  The crane, as CranesEtc. constructed it, was 7 ft. tall., but with the extension pack really can get to probably 10-12 ft. in height.   Which really adds to the part count because of all the screws needed to attach  additional lattice parts to the main boom.  As an owner of several similar cranes, these are not just attached with a screw, but also a nut.  At at least four points.  So that is at least 8 parts for every connection part on a boom.  Also, the NZG model will come with many details I am sure the Lego model will not bother with. Look at just the weights.  I counted nearly 50 of them.  Look also at all the guard rails.  Lego version will not utilize anything like that.  Also, the NZG model has TONS of tracks, which add to be part count.   

All in all, I question the part count of the model crane, but indeed, if it is accurate at 1557 honestly I don't think the disparity between the model crane and the proposed Lego crane is all that off.....

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8 hours ago, Saberwing40k said:

I've been thinking, for a good long while, that the part count for this set makes no sense. Well, I think I figured out why. CranesEtc recently did a review of a 1:50 scale model of the Liebherr LR 11000, made by NZG. While this is not the exact same model as 42146, there is something on NZG's website that I found interesting. Apparently, their model is made out of 1557 parts. I refuse to believe that Lego could make a similar model from only 2800 parts. Like, even with all the big diecast parts, the NZG model is already at 1557. And, many of the parts of that model that are a single piece would have to be made out multiple parts in a Lego model. Plus, the last Liebherr model, 42100, had closer to 4000 pieces, and thus was actually a good value. This is what makes me think the part count is off.

Apparently the set features a bunch of new boom parts which would cover a lot of ground. I'd be interested in seeing how many parts go into the panoply of counterweights on the back!

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3 minutes ago, Lego_Minecraft_Goat said:

Some news from: Brick Clicker

Around 99 cm tall

Can lift up to 500 grams

 

Woah, a Technic crane that can actually lift something! Who woulda thunk it?

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1 hour ago, Lego_Minecraft_Goat said:

Some news from: Brick Clicker

Around 99 cm tall

Can lift up to 500 grams

 

Which is actually tiny for a flagship model.  Lego 8288 is nearly that tall at only (~800 pieces) in its tallest configuration.  I have it in my lego room.  Just measured it.  Sure, it is not a sturdy model, and nowhere capable of lifting 500 grams, but for me, this set is becoming more and more of a disappointment.  

Also, to counter @Saberwing40k's comment earlier, I actually think if this height is correct, ~2600 pieces is probably close.  At this height this set would be only 1/3 of the height of the diecast model he is comparing it to.   So yea, ~2600 pieces in a Lego crane at only 3 ft. tall seems reasonable if a diecast crane which is perhaps 10 ft. tall has ~1500.  

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9 hours ago, Lego_Minecraft_Goat said:

Some news from: Brick Clicker

Around 99 cm tall

Can lift up to 500 grams

 

I actually hoped for a height of at least 1,5 m for this prize...

The 42082 has the same height with full extented arm and can lift up to 1 kg... :-/

Seems like TLG started with a way bigger model and tuned it down a notch for stability/functionality reasons.

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1 hour ago, Jundis said:

The 42082 has the same height with full extented arm and can lift up to 1 kg... :-/

Not really, with a weight of 1 kg it already breaks, and even with something less it bends awfully. I really hope TLG aims for sturdiness and reliability this time instead of size. 

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The height decrease might not be a bad thing, and it also might be misleading in a way.  Wasn't 42042 advertised as being a certain height but also came with an extra piece of boom to make it taller?

This is pure speculation but there may have been some stability issues which lead to a safety issue with it falling over. We know Lego is obsessed with safety (4 screws in the technic hubs is ridiculous!). If there's any chance of a 5 foot tall model crane operated by a 10 year old falling over then they will probably rethink it. 

If however they include a few extra things then they can still release it as it was meant to be. If the included cables are long enough, if there are three winches included (upper boom/lower boom/hook), if enough counterweight is included aaaaaannnnddddd if extra boom sections are included, then they have circumvented any safety issues by saying look, here's the set and instructions and anyone with the desire to build it much taller than we say in the instructions is free to do so, but we didn't say they can do that so it's at there own discretion! Maybe that's why the advertised height has come down but the price hasn't? Maybe the redesign was to make it more modular and reconfigurable into different setups and heights for this reason?

14 minutes ago, kbalage said:

Not really, with a weight of 1 kg it already breaks, and even with something less it bends awfully. I really hope TLG aims for sturdiness and reliability this time instead of size. 

Also a very good point. This new crane should be able to lift way more and still look solid with no bending. It should fall over long before it breaks. And size isn't everything, well, maybe it is for a crane, but "big red" is one of my least favourite cranes despite being the biggest!

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16 minutes ago, kbalage said:

Not really, with a weight of 1 kg it already breaks, and even with something less it bends awfully. I really hope TLG aims for sturdiness and reliability this time instead of size. 

That's why I said "up to" 1 kg :P

11 minutes ago, allanp said:

If however they include a few extra things then they can still release it as it was meant to be. If the included cables are long enough, if there are three winches included (upper boom/lower boom/hook), if enough counterweight is included aaaaaannnnddddd if extra boom sections are included, then they have circumvented any safety issues by saying look, here's the set and instructions and anyone with the desire to build it much taller than we say in the instructions is free to do so, but we didn't say they can do that so it's at there own discretion! Maybe that's why the advertised height has come down but the price hasn't? Maybe the redesign was to make it more modular and reconfigurable into different setups and heights for this reason?

That actually is a very good and sound explanation!

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The price for this is monstrous and I still treating this as only potential part pack. But analyzing all those information we have already, from part pack POV I can say we have chance for at least one or two new parts and some recolors (new 19 stud frame in yellow).

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Part count is not a very accurate measure. Compared to today's part count for a mid sized set, I am still amazed of the size, complexity and appearance of 8043 with only 1123 parts.

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8 hours ago, Jundis said:

The 42082 has the same height with full extented arm and can lift up to 1 kg... :-/

Seems like TLG started with a way bigger model and tuned it down a notch for stability/functionality reasons.

 

7 hours ago, kbalage said:

Not really, with a weight of 1 kg it already breaks, and even with something less it bends awfully. I really hope TLG aims for sturdiness and reliability this time instead of size. 

Lego mobile cranes, with telescopic booms instead of lattice booms, really should not be compared with crawler cranes (lattice booms).  If you think there are limitations with Lego in building lattice boom cranes, those limitations increase ten fold when building Lego telescopic booms.....

to my knowledge Lego 42146 will be crawler crane with lattice boom... 

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Both type of cranes, IRL and in LEGO form, only works with proper counterweights. Something that TLG actually have never used, Hence the weak lifting capacity and booms

It's not that hard or expensive to build a decent lattice boom with LEGO parts, it's been done by MOC'ers for decades. I only see the need for new parts to either cut down the price or for the looks

Interestingly, the 2x6 55gram boat weight is still in use but only in DACTA sets by now. LAst proper set was in 2006

Twenty of those plus a brickbuild lattice boom and it's doable to make a decent set

 

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2 minutes ago, 1974 said:

Interestingly, the 2x6 55gram boat weight is still in use but only in DACTA sets by now. LAst proper set was in 2006

Which was 8288, funnily enough.

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53 minutes ago, Maaboo35 said:

Which was 8288, funnily enough.

Yes, I thought most people on this forum would know :classic:

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47 minutes ago, Bricktrain said:

It is a bestseller on pick a brick., 

8288 is on pick a brick?! Or do you mean the boat weight?! 

I wonder if the new weight will be brick based or diecast metal like the old hook or the off center weight from control centre 1.

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The counterweight brick is a bestseller part.  I have 50 of them for my mobile crane, my modified 42042 has 24 for its superlift

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1 hour ago, allanp said:

I wonder if the new weight will be brick based or diecast metal like the old hook or the off center weight from control centre 1.

Pretty sure the metal will be placed inside a plastic container or even completely molded. The rumors from last year speculated about 20 weights, each 50 g. It could mean on of these configurations:

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSccnGCtu_ioh8Kiugn4_Y    or   image.jpeg.e92055eae25f6b0c90c861905f0d1519.jpeg

The first one would fit with 20 weight pieces.

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And Let the guessing competition start.

What does the winner get?
Oh well, as long as it's 18yrs single malt I will go for it

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2 hours ago, JaBaCaDaBra said:

And Let the guessing competition start.

What does the winner get?
Oh well, as long as it's 18yrs single malt I will go for it

Haha, nout wrong with a bit of banter :classic:

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3 hours ago, JaBaCaDaBra said:

What does the winner get?

The joy of speculation...... which is not a joke for me. I quite like it.  

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I wonder if part of the reason for the rumored downsizing of the Liebherr was feedback from the CAT bulldozer. Some fans found that the CAT was somewhat oversized for the functions, as MOCs with similar functionality have been built using just the 5-wide tracks. So maybe TLG thought that bigger isn't always better and decided to downsize the Liebherr accordingly. That theory doesn't explain the price staying the same though :sadnew:.

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