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5 hours ago, 6129c04 said:

I know of the whole part decrease/shrinkflation aspect but as I said if the decrease is less than what adjusting for inflation would produce is it really inflation?

Concrete example: a set 20 years ago was $50. Adjusting for inflation says that the same or similar content should be priced at $82 today. So is it true, are we paying $80 today to get similar contents to what we got for $50 some 20 years ago?

What if the math shows that it's actually less, say $65? If that difference is not proportional to inflation is it really inflation? Or just TLG trying to get more profit using inflation as a pretext?[/quote]

If the price increase is less than overall economic inflation, then what in the world are you complaining about? Sounds to me like the company is doing its best to keep sets affordable even with pressure from the overall economy to raise them a certain amount.

5 hours ago, 6129c04 said:

Well I would argue that promoting very unhealthy foods to small children is at the very least not ethical. Sets like 60488, 60452, 60404 and their predecessors in this subtheme. I'm strictly referring to the message, design wise they're absolute bangers but that is a different matter. I don't see people getting upset with TLG for that, certainly not as upset as with me for criticizing them for some of their prices.

Well then maybe it's a good thing if fewer people can afford LEGO so they can avoid this dangerous messaging.

I have to say, you have completely lost the thread here. You're just grasping at straws to criticize TLG. Why are you even here if you hold the company and their products in such disdain?

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8 hours ago, 6129c04 said:

The implications of say fast food chains paying TLG big money to promote fast food products to small children is certainly something that supposedly responsible parents should be aware of. There are parents which specifically like Lego for not promoting actual military/war/violence unlike other toy makers.

Respectfully, this statement doesn't really make much sense. For one thing, the days of lego not "promoting violence" are long gone- most themes now are action themes. Putting aside stuff like Star Wars, Marvel, Batman, the theme this thread is about, even stuff like Dune (which I'm still SHOCKED got a set). They don't make modern military equipment- and I do mean modern, we've had WW2 era german fighter planes as recently as 2023- but they certainly "promote violence" to the extent that they make plenty of sets with violence as the basis.

As for the implication that fast food chains paid lego to produce sets like 60488... again, with what respect I can manage in this situation, that's completely out of touch with reality. Even if you think there's some shadowy evil forces paying lego to do that... why wouldn't Mcdonald's just pay them to make a mcdonald's set? Why would it be generic fast-food? 

And to be clear- no, fast food companies are not paying lego to produce unbranded food truck sets. That's patently absurd. Not even the right type of establishment- why wouldn't they pay for fast food buildings? Are you saying Big Food Truck is behind this? And even then, pointing out specifics like that makes me feel silly just typing it, because the accusation is so ridiculous in the first place.

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On 1/19/2026 at 6:47 PM, Karalora said:

For a change of subject, I've seen a few people express disappointment that the Ganondorf minifigure doesn't have a unique molded head with a prominent nose. What do people here think? Personally, I think it's unnecessary--while the schnoz is a fairly distinctive trait of the OoT character model, I don't think it's essential to his character the way it is with e.g. Pinocchio (a comparison someone made).

I was a bit put off by it at first (perhaps because I have been a Zelda fan longer than a Lego fan?), but I think it'd feel kind of weird to me either way. A lot of characters in OoT have relatively prominent noses, including Link and Zelda, so while Ganondorf's is more noticeable, it'd be weird to only give him one imo. 

Anyways, with regards to the speculation on the overall direction of this theme, my guess is that it's probably just going to go in the same direction as Lord of Rings. Just hoping they bump it up to one set per year.

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On 1/23/2026 at 4:10 AM, Karalora said:

If the price increase is less than overall economic inflation, then what in the world are you complaining about? Sounds to me like the company is doing its best to keep sets affordable even with pressure from the overall economy to raise them a certain amount.

It came out garbled, not enough details, my bad.

The whole point with inflation is that it affects everyone as far as purchasing power goes. But when looking at TLG's profits it seems that despite inflation they are managing to get wealthier, so from our consumer perspective they aren't under the financial pressure that would justify constantly increasing the prices.

From their toy maker perspective they don't care about us, they only care about money and they keep turning the knob and if the money keeps flowing they will keep turning it until they reach a plateau, that will be a point where the consumers are going to push back and their attitude will cause TLG to lower prices, pretty much an informal negotiation between parties.

Coming back to us consumers, because of inflation we are not getting wealthier, quite the opposite, so our "Lego purchasing power" is diminished. If TLG would keep things constant (by adjusting prices for inflation) then we would always afford the same amount of Lego, and that is their other interest aside from profit, to maintain our "Lego purchasing power", and prevent us from affording more Lego. Now you could say (this is actually their perspective) that we shouldn't be able to afford more Lego because whatever reasons, but if I give the tech industry as an example, and ignore the current RAM crisis, we could get computers that are much more capable than ones 20 years ago for similar money (less when adjusted for inflation). So why would that industry give us high performance PC parts for reasonable money (relative to our income) while TLG gives us in the best scenario the same amount of plastic for more money (as adjusted for inflation)?

My previous example (the equivalent of a $50 set from 20 years ago that would cost $80 today) was more theoretical, I can't provide a clear/definitive answer right now as I don't have all the data (all that we can access anyway), and regarding data TLG will always have more info than us, so we can't trust them that they won't go beyond the threshold (about which we don't know exactly where it is, but they do), as I said if people are still buying they will keep turning the knob. And if people keep defending TLG using inflation adjustment then no one should be surprised if they take that advice.

On 1/23/2026 at 4:10 AM, Karalora said:

Well then maybe it's a good thing if fewer people can afford LEGO so they can avoid this dangerous messaging.

I have to say, you have completely lost the thread here. You're just grasping at straws to criticize TLG. Why are you even here if you hold the company and their products in such disdain?

If you don't see an issue with advertising fast food to kids it doesn't automatically mean that it's a non-issue. If I can get accused of overreacting why can't I accuse others of downplaying the matter?

The criticism is for some products and some practices. As I said in the first post this Zelda set is actually nice and I had only complaint regarding its design/inventory and the other complaint was regarding price. Oh and set 60488 is excellent, aside from message, simply as a toy model for that money it's really good.

It's very easy for them to ruin all sets value wise by making them all more expensive, regarding design I keep seeing more and more sets that are genuinely half-assed, some cheaper some more expensive. I want to see things get better for us consumers, wouldn't you? Maybe you should think a bit about the fact that because some people are critical and also don't pay the full price for a set that it's one of the primary reasons TLG hasn't gone full Hoopty Poopty on us.

Look, it seems I've discussed this more than I should have, if your consumer attitude up until this point has benefitted you and the perspective is that it's beneficial for you to continue in this same manner (whatever that is) then keep doing it, who am I to tell you otherwise, if you are satisfied with the results?

On 1/23/2026 at 5:01 AM, Mandalorianknight said:

but they certainly "promote violence" to the extent that they make plenty of sets with violence as the basis.

That sort of "action" type violence is no different than what you read in (classic) fairy tales, only there it's still open to interpretation on how it would actually look like because it implies imagination, whereas with Lego sets you can clearly see what they chose to represent what was previously imagined. They don't look overly violent to me generally speaking, and context is paramount, as justified/righteous violence is well exactly that. If they would do some sort of slightly futuristic but realistic warfare theme without context (no clear indication on who is good and who is bad and for what reasons), and just put out various war vehicles and soldier minifigs then it would encourage pure war, because there is nothing else you could derive from looking at those sets.

On 1/23/2026 at 5:01 AM, Mandalorianknight said:

Why would it be generic fast-food? 

Because fast food is fast food, it's primarily a lifestyle. As long as people are hooked on the lifestyle the brand doesn't specifically matter.

I'm not saying they were actually paid to do it (I would need proof for that), but if they weren't and it's their own idea then it's just as bad, as it shows they don't care and consider it trivial. It's interesting how you consider action themes to be promoting violence and thus potentially having a negative influence but fast food is somehow an innocent matter.

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3 hours ago, 6129c04 said:

The whole point with inflation is that it affects everyone as far as purchasing power goes. But when looking at TLG's profits it seems that despite inflation they are managing to get wealthier, so from our consumer perspective they aren't under the financial pressure that would justify constantly increasing the prices.

Well two very simple things. First of all they have high profits because they adjust for inflation, if they wouldn´t, they would obviously make less. And surprise every company will try to keep their profits either constant or rising if they can. The other thing is, that they lowered their margin in the last years and the only reason they actually still make more money is because they also sell more products.

3 hours ago, 6129c04 said:

Coming back to us consumers, because of inflation we are not getting wealthier, quite the opposite, so our "Lego purchasing power" is diminished. If TLG would keep things constant (by adjusting prices for inflation) then we would always afford the same amount of Lego, and that is their other interest aside from profit, to maintain our "Lego purchasing power",

It highly depends I would say, as it isn´t just the costumer prices that are rising put what people get paid too - some people will get out of this with more money and some with less, you can´t really generalize it. Also, lets take someone for example that still gets the same money, but everything gets more expensive - rent, power, food and so on - now you expect Lego to lower prices despite that they have higher costs too? That is just totally unrealistic and said person would still not be able to afford more because everything else still got more expensive.

3 hours ago, 6129c04 said:

and prevent us from affording more Lego. Now you could say (this is actually their perspective) that we shouldn't be able to afford more Lego because whatever reasons, but if I give the tech industry as an example, and ignore the current RAM crisis, we could get computers that are much more capable than ones 20 years ago for similar money (less when adjusted for inflation). So why would that industry give us high performance PC parts for reasonable money (relative to our income) while TLG gives us in the best scenario the same amount of plastic for more money (as adjusted for inflation)?

That is hardly a good comparism and I think you know that, so the question is why you bring it up anyways? I could also ask, why the baker asks more money for a bun, the cook for a meal or the supermarket, well for everything really?

3 hours ago, 6129c04 said:

I'm not saying they were actually paid to do it (I would need proof for that)

That is exactly what you did in your previous comment, though.

 

On a side note, there are actually threads to discuss Lego pricing, so those would be the better place if you have the urge to do so, rather than draging certain topics (and this isn´t the first one) into offtopic. I guess a Mod will move the concerning posts if they see need.

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13 hours ago, 6129c04 said:

That sort of "action" type violence is no different than what you read in (classic) fairy tales, only there it's still open to interpretation on how it would actually look like because it implies imagination, whereas with Lego sets you can clearly see what they chose to represent what was previously imagined. They don't look overly violent to me generally speaking, and context is paramount, as justified/righteous violence is well exactly that. If they would do some sort of slightly futuristic but realistic warfare theme without context (no clear indication on who is good and who is bad and for what reasons), and just put out various war vehicles and soldier minifigs then it would encourage pure war, because there is nothing else you could derive from looking at those sets.

Because fast food is fast food, it's primarily a lifestyle. As long as people are hooked on the lifestyle the brand doesn't specifically matter.

I'm not saying they were actually paid to do it (I would need proof for that), but if they weren't and it's their own idea then it's just as bad, as it shows they don't care and consider it trivial. It's interesting how you consider action themes to be promoting violence and thus potentially having a negative influence but fast food is somehow an innocent matter.

The ww2 german fighter jet firing on Indy is fairytale violence?

So just to be clear, you are legitimately saying you believe that there's a good chance fast food companies are engaged in some evil conspiracy where they secretly pay lego to produce sets based on generic fast foods?

I never said or even implied I have any sort of issue with action themes "promoting violence" (In fact, I'd say that I put it in quotes shows I consider the argument that sets depicting action and violence have a negative impact as bogus), because I think in general kids are smart enough to realize that, for instance, just because they bought the Civil War Airport battle set doesn't mean they should emulate Steve and Tony by beating up their friends- and if they aren't, their parents can teach them what's OK and what's not. Similarly, yes, correct, I don't see anything wrong with lego producing a set involving a hamburger, or of a food truck. Shocking and controversial, I know. 

I also don't understand why you think this one in particular is so spooky. Lego makes plenty of sets either about video game IPs or representing kids playing video games. Kids shouldn't sit around gaming all day- is this evil? Is this a conspiracy where Xbox is paying lego to put game controllers in city and ninjago sets? Or is lego just adding stuff kids like into sets, and trusting that parents will encourage moderation?

8 hours ago, Karalora said:

No, it totally tracks!

Insidious. Lego and Nintendo have been in league longer than we realized. (Though I confess I'm more scared by the "dubious food"- why is it pixelated? Is it just that disgusting, or has the preparation process somehow caused it to turn into minecraft?)

 

I like the new set- I've never been a huge Zelda fan- I think I've only ever played it in Smash (Though that means I do in fact have experience and memories fighting this version of Ganon, down to his tail being weak)- but it's a very well-displayed setup and everything is immediately recognizable to me as a casual fan. $130 isn't a great price but it's not anything horrific. And the figures are all top-tier.

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1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Insidious. Lego and Nintendo have been in league longer than we realized. (Though I confess I'm more scared by the "dubious food"- why is it pixelated? Is it just that disgusting, or has the preparation process somehow caused it to turn into minecraft?)

Your first guess is correct. "Dubious food" in Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom is what you get from cooking an illegitimate combination of ingredients, and the pixelation is a joke: "This is so bad, we won't even show it to you." (It still restores a quarter-heart of health when you eat it, and there's a unique animation of Link steeling himself before shoving it in his mouth.)

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On 1/29/2026 at 7:47 AM, BlueLanturnCorp said:

I'm genuinely quite pleased with this new set! I kinda wish maybe Link got new facial expressions, maybe a Biggeron Sword? Could use the Dreamzzz swords though.

Yeah the Biggoron Sword is the biggest omission imo, I'm not as bothered by the lack of stuff that was already in the Deku Tree, but this seems like it would have been the perfect scene to include it. I also think it should have included the Ocarina of Time so you can recreate the scene from afterwards with Link and Zelda, but again, not as big an issue since its available elsewhere. 

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1 hour ago, Meaf said:

Yeah the Biggoron Sword is the biggest omission imo, I'm not as bothered by the lack of stuff that was already in the Deku Tree, but this seems like it would have been the perfect scene to include it. I also think it should have included the Ocarina of Time so you can recreate the scene from afterwards with Link and Zelda, but again, not as big an issue since its available elsewhere. 

Biggoron's Sword seems like it'd be hard to make—even at that scale it can be tricky to brick-build a good-looking sword, and I don't think there's any existing sword/blade molds that really have the right look (extremely large but with a straight, largely unornamented blade). Also, even if you made a specific mold for it, the way minifigure arms work means that Link couldn't even wield it two-handed, which is kind of the iconic feature of the Biggoron's Sword compared to other weapons in the game. The Megaton Hammer works much better even just with existing bricks, not to mention is likely more universal to most players' experience with that battle (since unlike the Biggoron's Sword which is the reward for an optional sidequest, the Megaton Hammer is a required item for a glitchless playthrough of the game).

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6 hours ago, Lyichir said:

Biggoron's Sword seems like it'd be hard to make—even at that scale it can be tricky to brick-build a good-looking sword, and I don't think there's any existing sword/blade molds that really have the right look (extremely large but with a straight, largely unornamented blade). Also, even if you made a specific mold for it, the way minifigure arms work means that Link couldn't even wield it two-handed, which is kind of the iconic feature of the Biggoron's Sword compared to other weapons in the game. The Megaton Hammer works much better even just with existing bricks, not to mention is likely more universal to most players' experience with that battle (since unlike the Biggoron's Sword which is the reward for an optional sidequest, the Megaton Hammer is a required item for a glitchless playthrough of the game).

Oh yeah I meant it as a new mold. I do agree it would be a bit strange for him to hold it in one hand, but I think that's just one of those design language things you have to accept isn't gonna translate into Lego, like with the noses. Ultimately I'm not too broken up about it but I don't think we're going to be getting that many more Ocarina of Time sets (even if every future Zelda set were based on it, it's still looking like it probably won't be more than once a year), so I'm just being greedy and wishing we could have had as much as possible since there may not be another opportunity for a while.

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I'm fine with the Biggoron Sword not being included. Any set/theme is going to have a limited "budget" for new part molds, and I don't feel the Biggoron Sword is quite iconic enough to spend that budget on when there are so many other unique things in OoT or any other Zelda game. I'd rather have a molded monster head, Majora's Mask, or Ezlo.

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Since this thread has died down while we're all just twiddling our thumbs waiting for our OoT sets to ship, I want to share the ideas I came up with a few years ago when the rumors first dropped that they were doing an LoZ set for real. I said to myself: "If they did just one set for each mainline game, what should it be?" and I further challenged myself to come up with ideas that really showcase the unique gimmick or an iconic aspect of each game. Also? Link appears in every set--collect them all! So here we go:

  • The Legend of Zelda (1968): A bas-relief landscape of the first playable screen. Pixelated Link appears on a 2x2 tile that you can move around, and the "lid" of the nearby cave comes off to reveal the old man with the sword and the infamous quote "It's dangerous to go alone! Take this!"
  • Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (1987): The final battle against Thunderbird (brick-built) and then Link's Shadow. (Want Dark Link? Here's your Dark Link.)
  • A Link to the Past (1991): More of a display piece than a playable one, a dual scene (perhaps with a backdrop and a swivel) of a location in the Light World and its exact counterpart in the Dark World. Pink-haired Link becomes Bunny Link!
  • Link's Awakening (1993): The peak of Mount Tamaranch with a huge Wind Fish egg that opens up to reveal the final battle between Link and Dethl the Nightmare...who can be rebuilt into his various forms!
  • Ocarina of Time (1998): This one stumped me for a while, and any ideas I would offer might be redundant since both of the official sets reference OoT, but what the heck. The Master Sword chamber in the Temple of Time, including Child Link, Adult Link, and Sheik.
  • Majora's Mask (2000): This would have to be a big set of the Clock Tower with Skull Kid at the top and the Moon hanging just overhead. It might even be big enough to justify including Link's alt forms as minifigures.
  • Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages (2001): I don't know the GBA titles well enough to tackle them--anyone want to give it a go?
  • Four Sword (2002): For such a marginal little game, this one actually provides a super-LEGO-friendly concept--a modular dungeon kit. Mimic the game's procedurally generated dungeon challenges with instructions for several different puzzle types that can be rearranged however you like! And of course, the inclusion of four color-coded Links would be a draw.
  • Wind Waker (2003): Part of me wants to say Tetra's pirate ship, but it's in the game so little. I think it would be more iconic to just have Toon Link in the King of Red Lions, as well as a little island for him to dock at and explore. Add some Chuchus, maybe a cave with treasure, and of course surround it with blue baseplates and brick-built waves--it's the Great Sea!
  • Four Swords Adventures (2004): I know little about this game either. Something something Four Sword but with more of a plot and a solo player option? Help me out.
  • Minish Cap (2005): A Minish Village under attack by a "giant" (actually normal-sized, but to tiny people it seems giant) Octorok! This never happens in the game, but can't you just see it? Toon Link again, but this time his hat is Ezlo!
  • Twilight Princess (2006): Something like Twilit Bug Hunt based on the bug-catching sequences every time you enter a new zone of Twilight. Wolf Link and Midna are hunting down all the little sparking bugs so that Link can return to his human form! For the specific location, let's use the bomb shed in Kakariko Village that gets blown up--lots of fun to smash the construction in play!
  • Phantom Hourglass (2007): I passed over Tetra's pirate ship for WW, but I am not passing over Linebeck's steamship for this game! It's eminently swooshable!
  • Spirit Tracks (2009): Likewise, the Spirit Train itself is a colorful, cozy vehicle that would look great made out of bricks. Maybe also include a Demon Train for it to clash with. Toon Link in his engineer uniform from the start of the game makes for a fun variant, and everyone's gonna want the transparent "ghost" Zelda!
  • Skyward Sword (2011): This is another one that gives me trouble, because the "gimmick" of the game is the motion controls, but how do you translate that into a construction toy? A brick-built version of the Crimson Loftwing is a must, and I think a lot of people would want to see Groose, so...the Wing Ceremony, perhaps? With an obstacle course that you can zoom the birds around with their riders?
  • A Link Between Worlds (2013): For a neat twist on the principle of Link being in every set, this one involves Dots-style portraits of Link and Zelda, and minifigures of Ravio and Hilda. Another one more for display than play.
  • Tri Force Heroes (2015): I'm not sure what the scene should be, but the Link minifigures should absolutely come with attachments that can be used to stack them for Totem Time!
  • Breath of the Wild (2017): I really thought, back when all we had were rumors, that if they just released a BotW set, it would be Link vs. a Guardian Stalker, which is easily the "signature situation" of the game. I see it as including Link with a construction representing his paraglider, the Guardian itself (easily detachable legs, and a hollow space inside with the spare parts that drop when it's defeated!), maybe an innocent traveler whom Link is defending, and a small section of ruined walls from whatever town this used to be.
  • Tears of the Kingdom (2023): The YouTuber octane thermoplastic came up with a perfect concept: a collection of brown bricks and plates representing wooden planks, and then builds of various Zonai Devices, all so you can create Ultrahand constructions, but live and in person! It's the perfect fusion (see what I did there?) of LEGO and Zelda!
  • Echoes of Wisdom (2024): octane thermoplastic also came up with a bang-on idea for this one, which is a landscape that can be rearranged into its "broken" version in the Still World. (Check out his channel, he's a genius when it comes to this stuff!)

I hope you at least enjoyed reading this. I do a lot of musing about this sort of thing.

 

 

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Yeah, I was just watching a Majora's Mask stream and the Clock Tower would make a GREAT display piece akin to the Deku Tree. Perhaps the moon could be on a geared mechanism/pole above it so that it could lower slowly while causing the clock to wind down.

That might honestly be one of the most promising candidates for the next set, since Young Link would work to bridge the gap between Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask (and I think with the opening and ending of the game represented, they've already covered some of the biggest highlights they could do of OoT). That, or maybe another set based on Breath of the Wild or Tears of the Kingdom to capitalize on more modern Zelda themes (a diorama with a battle between a Guardian and Link on horseback would be my top pick for another Breath of the Wild set).

I doubt we'll see EVERY Zelda game represented any time soon. As much as I love top down/2D Zelda games, I feel like their format might be tougher to adapt to a satisfying Lego set, compared to the more cinematic scenes the 3D games contain.

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6 hours ago, Lyichir said:

Yeah, I was just watching a Majora's Mask stream and the Clock Tower would make a GREAT display piece akin to the Deku Tree. Perhaps the moon could be on a geared mechanism/pole above it so that it could lower slowly while causing the clock to wind down.[/quote]

octane thermoplastic, the YT creator I keep banging on about, built a version where the top can be lifted up and then swiveled 90 degrees vertically so that the clock face becomes the arena like it does at midnight in the game.

[quote]I doubt we'll see EVERY Zelda game represented any time soon. As much as I love top down/2D Zelda games, I feel like their format might be tougher to adapt to a satisfying Lego set, compared to the more cinematic scenes the 3D games contain.[/quote]

Oh, we're definitely not getting more than a fraction of the games. I think we have a better shot at getting sets based on next year's movie than most of the games. But it's a fun thought experiment to think of how they could translate into a satisfying LEGO building and playing experience.

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My OoT Final Battle was waiting for me when I got home from grocery shopping yesterday.

I like it! It's fairly compact but with plenty of visual interest in the details and a couple of fun secrets. There are places to anchor Ganon's feet so you can pose him without him tipping over, but if carefully positioned he is also free-standing. It's a nice little display piece that still has enough play features to feel like LEGO.

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Didn't realize we had a separate Zelda thread so here's my thoughts from the video games thread.

22 hours ago, Meaf said:

Picked up the Ocarina of Time Final Battle set, all around very happy with it. Minifigures are great, Ganon is fantastic, and even the scenery looks pretty good (which is impressive considering how barren that arena is in-game). I was thinking about building Ganondorf a sword based on the OoT concept art that went on to be used in Super Smash Bros Ultimate, so if anyone has any suggestions on how to make one I'd be interested to hear them! I suppose I could always just give him an Uruk-hai sword but that seems a little smaller than ideal.

Already more or less said this but I really enjoyed the new set, don't have any complaints with it. Hopefully I can get the Deku Tree later this year.

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Just to keep the discussion going, if we got the dream come true of a Zelda CMF series, what characters would you hope to see in it?

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