Mandalorianknight Posted September 20 Posted September 20 Oh, man, I get to talk about thunderbolts? 3 hours ago, brickbride said: Finally got around to watching "Thunderbolts*". Overall I liked it more than I thought I would, mainly because unlike "Brave New World" it remembers that a) women exist and can and should play an important part, and b) our leads should be flawed but engaging characters instead of The Dutiful Soldier's Code of Conduct Manual examples. John "My shield is a taco" Walker makes for a more engaging Captain America than Falconcap IMO. That said, I still don't like Yelena; her constant beating on everyone else while whining non-stop about how lonely she is doesn't make for an attractive combination and she doesn't ever seem to wonder if those two traits might be related. Completely agreed on John (by far my favorite MCU character) precisely for that reason b. Sam just... loses his personality and turns into a more annoying version of steve when he picks up the shield. His show also takes the passing-of-the-shield moment in endgame and changes it to sam giving up the shield, helping Bucky beat and rob the guy who legally had it when he changes his mind, gets a magic suit from a country he spent like two days in, then shows up to the big fight to repeatedly tell the victims of a terrorist attack that the super-soldiers trying (and previously succeeding) to kill innocents were actually not terrorists. It's such a crazy reversal of everything he used to be (Down to smaller parts of his character, such as being a veteran counselor in TWS then in TFATWS responding to a guy having an anxiety attack after his friend was murdered by beating the crap out of him). There's also a hilarious narrative dissonance of "Taking the super serum is bad. Therefore, we are giving sam a high-tech suit that's basically magic", which takes away the actual thematic "power corrupts" element and just turns it into something where the serum has, like, evilness chemicals in it or something but the nanotech is fine. John is the exact opposite. He loses EVERYTHING over the course of that show. His job, the support of his country, the shield, his faith in the government, his best friend. But even when he's lost everything because the government abandons him immediately after he makes a bad PR move (but a legally (and IMO morally) justified kill), he gets back up, welds his own shield in a garage (or a cave, with a box of scraps, if you will) and gets back to work, even throwing away the shield to save people rather than get vengeance for Lemar's murder. I came into TFATWS thinking Sam was a fine choice to replace cap and came out of it with John being one of my favorite characters in the MCU, and Thunderbolts only solidifies that into him being probably my favorite character still active in the MCU. He loses even more before and during that movie, like his family and the one person in the government he thought was on his side, but while he's a bit of a jerk at first (not that they weren't all), if you look at his actions, he's constantly correct when he's offering or shooting down a plan and constantly moving to protect others in combat. He's still fighting with that welded-together shield, now folded into a taco, and he's still going. He embodies that "pick yourself back up" virtue so much better than Sam "do better' Wilson, and is a much more compelling legacy captain america character to me because rather than someone who's immediately treated as the correct heir and always morally right, he's a good but still realistically normal guy. He makes mistakes, he freaks out, but at the end of the day he still picks up that taco no matter how desperate the odds seem. As for Yelena, I sort of agree, but I also think that's the point. She's NOT a good person going into Thunderbolts. She's miserable, and has no interest in helping anyone. She wants to be a hero simply because she thinks it'll make her feel better about herself. I think it all changes when she meets Bob, though, where she makes a genuine connection and really tries to help him not for the sake of being in the public eye as a hero, but because she wants him to feel better. I think by the end of the movie she's a better person than when it started (which I think is true of most of the cast). 3 hours ago, brickbride said: Also could Marvel Studios maybe get some coherence into its shared universe someday soon? In „Brave New World“, Falconcap was a public figure; here we constantly hear that there are no more Avengers available. What about Falconcap, what about other known Avengers such as Captain Marvel (last seen living at least semi-permanently on Earth), Spidey, Professor Hulk, you name them? (Also Ant-Man but yeah, I wouldn't rely on him against extraterrestrial threats.) This is totally true- obviously it's better narratively that the movie doesn't end with Captain Marvel or Professor Hulk fighting Sentry, but it doesn't make sense in-universe why they don't show up- but I do find it funny thinking about how the three heroes active in new york are 100% the type of guys to randomly get hit with a void and experience their worst memories. Spider-Man getting voided would be one of his better days in the comics, and even in the MCU is something he's essentially already experienced. The Netflix Daredevil has a lot of guilt and moral questions, so while it's more supernatural than what he normally deals with it'd essentially just be an episode of that show. And Punisher basically replays his worst memories every day in his mind, so I'm sure for him getting voided was a cathartic experience where he got to repeatedly beat on Russo and other thugs and was probably sad when it ended. 1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said: That said, you’re right that Thor isn’t exactly at the height of his popularity anymore after L&T, but I think he’s still well-liked enough. It’s not like people are gonna boo when they see him in Doomsday And he still shows up in his own sets, like the Surtur Battle just last year! Sure, that’s not exactly comparable to a D2C, but there is a chance regardless. Not particularly high, but it’s there! It's certainly possible, but I think there are two major issues. One is that I'd say while a popular character, Thor's not on that Iron Man/Spider-Man/Avengers megapopularity branding level. I just don't know if he's modular D2C level popular. The other is that Asgard is a people, not a place more of a skyline than a particular building, so it doesn't lend itself quite as well to a modular. Realistically if we say it, it's likely be somewhat of a forced perspective thing with limited minifigure interactability, and the figures you could include in an MCU one would be fairly limited- aside from Thor and Loki and maybe Hulk if you want to throw Ragnorak figures in, you wouldn't have anyone super popular. The only characters that would be major draws to Asgard specifically are Odin and (at this point) Hela, and Hela could easily be put in a number of other MCU sets (or Rivals sets, come on Lego.) Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted September 21 Posted September 21 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: […] The other is that Asgard is a people, not a place more of a skyline than a particular building, so it doesn't lend itself quite as well to a modular. Realistically if we say it, it's likely be somewhat of a forced perspective thing with limited minifigure interactability […] We were talking about a D2C set in general, not necessarily a modular set because the latter obviously wouldn’t work I can imagine a microscale set working quite well tho! Basically a Marvel version of the Gotham skyline with a bit more depth perhaps. As for the minifigs, Odin, Heimdall, and the warriors three would be enough of a draw I think. I want my Anthony Hopkins and Idris Elba minifigs, dangit! Quote
JeanGreyForever Posted September 21 Posted September 21 6 hours ago, brickbride said: Finally got around to watching "Thunderbolts*". Overall I liked it more than I thought I would, mainly because unlike "Brave New World" it remembers that a) women exist and can and should play an important part, and b) our leads should be flawed but engaging characters instead of The Dutiful Soldier's Code of Conduct Manual examples. John "My shield is a taco" Walker makes for a more engaging Captain America than Falconcap IMO. That said, I still don't like Yelena; her constant beating on everyone else while whining non-stop about how lonely she is doesn't make for an attractive combination and she doesn't ever seem to wonder if those two traits might be related. Also could Marvel Studios maybe get some coherence into its shared universe someday soon? In „Brave New World“, Falconcap was a public figure; here we constantly hear that there are no more Avengers available. What about Falconcap, what about other known Avengers such as Captain Marvel (last seen living at least semi-permanently on Earth), Spidey, Professor Hulk, you name them? (Also Ant-Man but yeah, I wouldn't rely on him against extraterrestrial threats.) In terms of LEGO I can sort of see why they decided to skip that movie. It's just not very "Marvel" overall. The colours are drab and dark. Most characters either don't have superpowers or theirs wouldn't lend themselves to minifigure action, but they do use plenty of real-world weaponry. Having yet another Captain America would probably confuse casual buyers, and Sentry's powers and actions don't exactly lend themselves to a fun, playful experience either. For some of those reasons I also cannot see the Thunderbolts* play a large role in "Doomsday": They ought to be very, very outmatched (except Sentry) by some of the rest of the cast, and given how many poorly introduced characters we'll likely be dealing with, the last thing casual viewers will need is two Captain Americas, none of which are Steve Rogers. I think the Thunderbolts might work best when removed from the main action. Please don't tell me we'll get Yelena jumping and rolling her way towards Doom in order to zap him with her widow bites! I enjoyed Thunderbolts too. Skipped it in theaters because I rarely watch MCU movies in theaters anymore. Brave New World seemed so bad that I had zero interest in the follow-up movie (still haven't seen BNW and have no real desire to). Yelena's been one of the few bright spots in the MCU post-Endgame and centering the film around her really worked for me. Killing off Taskmaster almost immediately was also a good decision. Didn't like her character in Black Widow and barely remembered anything about her. I hated the Falcon and Winter Soldier show, especially since neither lead has ever appealed to me. John Walker was one of the few enjoyable characters in that show so I enjoyed him having a bigger role in this movie. He's extremely flawed but fun to watch for precisely that reason. Sam and Bucky, particularly Sam, have never worked except as sidekicks to the real Captain America, or in Bucky's case, as past trauma. Even the Valentina character, who I detested in the Falcon and Winter Soldier show, was tolerable in Thunderbolts. As a film, it felt rather fresh compared to the generic drab MCU installments we've been getting every year. I do think it's a big issue that we have no idea who is on Sam's Avengers team. Doomsday is going to focus on Doom and the multiverse characters, like the FoX-Men, so I don't see how they can also cram in the first meeting and inevitable battle between the New Avengers and Sam's Avengers. Feels like that should have been the plot for its own film, sorta like Captain America: Civil War. Maybe BNW should have come after Thunderbolts and focused on the battle between these two teams. Like you said, the Thunderbolts characters seem outclassed and also too minor to be of much importance in Doomsday. They have basically zero connections to anyone else, outside of Yelena/Kate (assuming Kate is in the movie, she's also rather minor) and John/Sam. And considering nobody cares about Sam, having that be the biggest connection for the team is hardly a selling point. Sentry will probably just be a plot device for Doom so at least he has some promising relevance. 24 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: We were talking about a D2C set in general, not necessarily a modular set because the latter obviously wouldn’t work I can imagine a microscale set working quite well tho! Basically a Marvel version of the Gotham skyline with a bit more depth perhaps. As for the minifigs, Odin, Heimdall, and the warriors three would be enough of a draw I think. I want my Anthony Hopkins and Idris Elba minifigs, dangit! Even as a microscale set, I feel it wouldn't be all that popular. Asgard isn't nearly as iconic as Gotham and the Gotham City skyline was based on the 90s show, which has a lot of nostalgia. Not even considering that Batman is DC's biggest character and seller, while Thor isn't anywhere near that level. And as mentioned, the Thor brand is at an all-time low. The minifigures would probably be the biggest draw. Quote
JeanGreyForever Posted September 21 Posted September 21 (edited) On 9/19/2025 at 9:22 AM, thebricksbear said: I'm betting a Baxter building modular is a lock, especially being in Doomsday in some capacity. The fact that the Galactus set will still be on shelves helps a lot, I think, but I'd also bet on some duplicate figs (maybe a flame Johnny or shirtless Ben?). Being a comics version or MCU version I think is irrelevant now because the comics over time, adjust to incorporate MCU designs. There isn't a definitive Baxter building design prior to the movie, much like the Avengers tower, so personally I welcome canonizing the First Steps version across media. It'd be nice to get comic designed figs, but I'd probably expect those to show up in smaller sets and mechs like everything else. The Spiderman brickverse stuff is kind of an anomoly because they seem to be throwing whatever designs they want into sets just to make them more exclusive. So far, all the superhero modulars have gotten at least 1-2 regular playline sets before getting a modular set, with the exception of the X-Mansion. The X-Men were always a bigger brand which is why we got X-Men Lego sets even before the Fox ban, unlike the FF. The FF are not that big of a brand and the film not doing all that well at the box office, either critically or commercially, makes me think there won't be much faith in the FF having their own modular set. FF might have done better than the other two MCU movies this year, but that's a rather low bar and this is the first year DC has beaten Marvel at the box office in more than a decade. Even the Sanctum Sanctorum modular we didn't get until after the first movie, Infinity War, and NWH. I don't see it being practical to release a Baxter Building modular immediately after one FF movie came out, when there's not even a sure promise of future films in the franchise. I think Lego will be more careful and wait to see if the FF take off in popularity after Doomsday/Secret Wars, the way Doctor Strange was boosted by Infinity War/Endgame. The MCU landscape is very different now and I don't see Lego blindly having faith in the new movies when they ignored Thunderbolts and only gave FF one set. In terms of figures too, there's a problem. The Baxter Building will need to be in scale with the Daily Bugle and Avengers Tower. Those sets had 20+ figures to justify the size of the sets. There aren't even 20 minifigures that could fit a MCU Baxter Building. Even if we double up on each of the core team (fiery Johnny, human Ben, stretchy Reed, invisible Sue), and add baby Franklin, Herbie, Surfer, Doom, and some Doombots, we still end up with a set with very few minifigures and closer to the Sanctum Sanctorum and X-Mansion in terms of quantity. Those sets were smaller in scale but also criticized for the lack of minifigures. Making an FF set that costs more but offers even less than that, with a less successful and less relevant brand that isn't popular or timely enough to overcome all those shortcomings, could be rather disastrous. I think it's more likely that next year's modular set will be another DC one, since we only have 1 DC set and 4 Marvel sets and this will make things more even. Or if it's a Marvel set, then it'll be a Spider-Man one. Spider-Man is the face of Lego Marvel and the biggest franchise. With the Daily Bugle retiring this year, they'll probably want a replacement so that there's always some Spider-Man modular set available. Oscorp just had a playline set so maybe we'll get a D2C modular Oscorp by next year. It would also be more timely with the next Spider-Man movie coming out, which also seems more anticipated by the public than Doomsday. If the Baxter Building is appearing in Doomsday, we don't know how major a setting it'll be in the movie. Also we know the script has been in flux and toys for Doomsday are already being leaked, so whatever Lego sets we get might not even match up with the final film we get. It probably wouldn't be wise to base a modular off of only one movie and concepts for another movie. Better to wait until both Doomsday and Secret Wars come out, not only to see if the FF are a viable brand after that, but also because that'll give more minifigures, rooms, and easter eggs to flesh out a potential Baxter Building modular set that can encompass 2-3 films instead of 1.5 films. Edited September 21 by JeanGreyForever Quote
brickbride Posted September 21 Posted September 21 (edited) 6 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: As for Yelena, I sort of agree, but I also think that's the point. She's NOT a good person going into Thunderbolts. She's miserable, and has no interest in helping anyone. (...) I think it all changes when she meets Bob, though, where she makes a genuine connection and really tries to help him not for the sake of being in the public eye as a hero, but because she wants him to feel better. I think by the end of the movie she's a better person than when it started (which I think is true of most of the cast). I mean I do agree with what you're saying. But they're all miserable at the beginning, and only one of them is constantly whining about it. The others at least try to put on a brave face. Plus they mostly aren't anywhere near as evil as her. Red Guardian runs a limo service instead of using his superpowers to constantly beat people up, John Walker is a patriot doing dirty work fo the government, but Yelena is all "I kill random people for money. Can't anyone tell me why I have no friends and don't feel good about myself?" Her inexplicable soft spot for Bob (as well as her inexplicable desire to protect the "hapless civilian" who, from the start, is very very clearly anything but) felt forced to me; it certainly didn't track with the rest of her behaviour. It was like the writers had dediced that Yelena was our protagonist and therefore she needed to be Bob's advocate among the group rather than the other way round. 3 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said: Killing off Taskmaster almost immediately was also a good decision. Didn't like her character in Black Widow and barely remembered anything about her. so I don't see how they can also cram in the first meeting and inevitable battle between the New Avengers and Sam's Avengers. (...) LOL I haven't seen "Black Widow" (only knew Yelena from "Hawekeye") so when I read all the "OMG they killed off Taskmaster" posts after watching "Thunderbolts", I was like "Oh. The assassin from the vault fight. Was that someone we should have known?" Your second sentence I quoted made me laugh. That's such a Marvel Studios thing, just like "Oh I couldn't possibibly fight the villain unless I get a new costume first". Of course we can't have two teams meeeting (or even one team forming for that matter) without there being a physical fight. Which would probably end in a draw no matter how differently-powered the people involved happen to be. 3 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said: There aren't even 20 minifigures that could fit a MCU Baxter Building. Even if we double up on each of the core team (fiery Johnny, human Ben, stretchy Reed, invisible Sue), and add baby Franklin, Herbie, Surfer, Doom, and some Doombots, we still end up with a set with very few minifigures and closer to the Sanctum Sanctorum and X-Mansion in terms of quantity. They 100% won't release a EUR 400+ modular with that selection because the only people it would appeal to would be F4 fans. Like, Doom is the only one I'd want out of all of them! Obviously I'm not the target group but if this is going to be the successor to the Daily Bugle it needs to have a broader appeal. The Bugle didn't just get the people who work there on a regular basis, neither did the Sanctum. There has to be a climatic battle with multiple desirable characters (not just the F4 vs. Doom and a bunch of bots) there for it to even qualify IMO. Another building also would work better looks-wise. The Baxter Building and the existing Avengers Tower are IMO quite similar in terms of aesthetics, so I wouldn't be surprised if they waited for the Tower to go EOL before giving us the Baxter Building (assuming the F4 are still relevant then). Edited September 21 by brickbride Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted September 21 Posted September 21 (edited) 4 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said: Maybe BNW should have come after Thunderbolts and focused on the battle between these two teams. I've been writing what I think is currently somewhere in the realm of 30-40 pages of a story treatment for a thunderbolts TV show and one of the natural places to take the team plotline is them pitted against the Samvengers. I'm sad that in reality marvel's going to have Sam assembly his team, conflict with the New Avengers/Thunderbolts, and team up against doom likely all in the first half of a single movie (or just offscreen). 1 hour ago, brickbride said: I mean I do agree with what you're saying. But they're all miserable at the beginning, and only one of them is constantly whining about it. The others at least try to put on a brave face. Plus they mostly aren't anywhere near as evil as her. Red Guardian runs a limo service instead of using his superpowers to constantly beat people up, John Walker is a patriot doing dirty work fo the government, but Yelena is all "I kill random people for money. Can't anyone tell me why I have no friends and don't feel good about myself?" Her inexplicable soft spot for Bob (as well as her inexplicable desire to protect the "hapless civilian" who, from the start, is very very clearly anything but) felt forced to me; it certainly didn't track with the rest of her behaviour. It was like the writers had dediced that Yelena was our protagonist and therefore she needed to be Bob's advocate among the group rather than the other way round. LOL I haven't seen "Black Widow" (only knew Yelena from "Hawekeye") so when I read all the "OMG they killed off Taskmaster" posts after watching "Thunderbolts", I was like "Oh. The assassin from the vault fight. Was that someone we should have known?" Your second sentence I quoted made me laugh. That's such a Marvel Studios thing, just like "Oh I couldn't possibibly fight the villain unless I get a new costume first". Of course we can't have two teams meeeting (or even one team forming for that matter) without there being a physical fight. Which would probably end in a draw no matter how differently-powered the people involved happen to be. I sort of agree, but once again, I think it's kind of the point of the movie. We see Yelena complaining the most because she's the character we follow, and she does know why she doesn't have any friends and feels bad about herself. She knows what she does is part of the problem- hence why she asks Valentina if she can do "hero" work before the vault mission, she thinks she'll feel better if she plays the hero role. As for why she likes Bob, I mean, I think it's just because she likes Bob. She's trying to find connections with others. John and Ava initially don't appeal to her because they're part of the life she's trying to escape, but Bob pops in as who she thinks is some sort of civilian, and she also seems to have chemistry with him. (Though don't get me wrong, some of the early vault scenes are rough. John's presented as more of a jag than he is in TFATWS or the rest of the movie, especially to bob (partially explained by him being at rock bottom and also the shot where he finds Bob's containment unit and realizes he isn't a civilian like he's saying), and it's weird that he doesn't push back on the "killed the innocent" assertion. Likewise, it's weird that Yelena's the first to go "OK, Valentina's lying to us" and that she's getting along at all with the woman who just killed her... friend? "sister"? I haven't scene black widow in forever- or at all, I legitimately can't remember, but I know they ended the movie on good terms.) Taskmaster's an excellent character in the comics who's in the MCU literally just in name and skillset only. Antonia isn't Tony Masters, doesn't have any of his personality, and doesn't even have the skull mask. Killing her off to potentially make way for the real taskmaster was a great move. Remember, the hero has to also get the new costume at the end of the second-to-last episode of their show. This was an issue for awhile, but reached hilariously stupid levels with Secret Invasion doing that same big scene for giving nick fury an eye patch at the end of his second-to-last episode. That's the type of thing I wouldn't have believed if I'd been told before I saw the show. Edited September 21 by Mandalorianknight Quote
brickbride Posted September 21 Posted September 21 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: We see Yelena complaining the most because she's the character we follow, and she does know why she doesn't have any friends and feels bad about herself. She knows what she does is part of the problem- hence why she asks Valentina if she can do "hero" work before the vault mission, she thinks she'll feel better if she plays the hero role. As for why she likes Bob, I mean, I think it's just because she likes Bob. She's trying to find connections with others. Meh, YMMV. I'd have preferred Walker as our protagonist BECAUSE he doesn't complain as much. (Well, not only because of that, but partly so.) We've had plenty of successful characters - say, Tony Stark, or Strange, or Loki - who clearly weren't happy and clearly needed a change in their lives but didn't constantly whine about it. Those opening scenes where Yelena complained to her victims, murdered them in cold blood, and then blew up the entire building (including all thoses storeys ABOVE the lab where nothing evil might have gone on at all) just presented her as someone awfully evil who didn't even register that other people had feelings and a right to live. Which made it all the weirder and more unbelievable to me that she then immediately latched onto Bob and tried to protect him Because The Script Said So. And the most she did in order to change her situation was ask Valentina for jobs that would give her better press. In general, she has a pattern of constantly expecting others to cater to her all the time (I noticed this in "Hawkeye" as well). Like when she went off on Red Guardian for not checking in on her even though she hadn't checked in on him either. Or when she, again, expected her victims to care more about her problems than the danger to their own lives. Honestly, part of the problem might be that she's a female Marvel protagonist. Marvel Studios don't have a great track record with those. They are very good at giving us male protagonists who are flawed but still sympathetic (not all the time but like 80% of the time). But there are few woman protagonists and they hold them to really weird standards. Like, Captain Marvel is a perfectly decent and heroic person but was vilefied in "The Marvels" for not checking in on Monica often enough during a galaxy-wide crisis where she had much, much bigger fish to fry. Meanwhile both Wanda and Yelena are awful, selfish people by any reasonable standards, but we're expected to excuse all of that because of their selective motherly feelings (including Yelena's for Bob). Even Agatha Harkness, whose characterisation they've done a much better job with (meaning she's still awful and selfish but at least this is acknowledged in-universe - she's actually one of my favourite Marvel characters), has to redeem herself through her motherly feelings for Billy! I've noticed a similar problem in other MCU movies (especially "Ant-Man" and "Brave New World") of non-protagonist women being reduced to Someone's Daugther to be Treasured and be Worthy of. If Marvel Studios could stop with that ridiculous double standard, we could have some much better movies. Edited September 21 by brickbride Quote
DaredevilFan Posted September 21 Posted September 21 Some of the crew merch has been shown from Doomsday, gives us a glimpse at some of the designs. The X-men are looking great, everyone else is what you would expect. New suits for F4. There’s none of the characters that haven’t been revealed. I’m guessing these are the characters that LEGO will have to work with. so not expecting anyone else to pop up in sets, other than Spidey and Strange Quote
JeanGreyForever Posted September 22 Posted September 22 6 hours ago, DaredevilFan said: Some of the crew merch has been shown from Doomsday, gives us a glimpse at some of the designs. The X-men are looking great, everyone else is what you would expect. New suits for F4. There’s none of the characters that haven’t been revealed. I’m guessing these are the characters that LEGO will have to work with. so not expecting anyone else to pop up in sets, other than Spidey and Strange Spoiler FF look like they're wearing jackets over their normal costumes. Or Reed, Sue, and Johnny are anyway while Ben doesn't seem to have a jacket. Cyclops and Beast in their 90s costumes confirms that the X-Men will mostly be in their iconic 90s costumes. I'd expect the same once more characters get confirmed like Jean Grey and Storm. Potentially Rogue, but I haven't heard anything concrete about her being in the movie. Not a fan of Magneto's look. Feels too generic and like something from the FoX-Men movies, like something Michael Fassbender wore. I think Nightcrawler and Mystique are likely to get minifigures. Too bad they won't really match the X-Men minifigs we have already. Quote
JeanGreyForever Posted September 22 Posted September 22 20 hours ago, brickbride said: I mean I do agree with what you're saying. But they're all miserable at the beginning, and only one of them is constantly whining about it. The others at least try to put on a brave face. Plus they mostly aren't anywhere near as evil as her. Red Guardian runs a limo service instead of using his superpowers to constantly beat people up, John Walker is a patriot doing dirty work fo the government, but Yelena is all "I kill random people for money. Can't anyone tell me why I have no friends and don't feel good about myself?" Her inexplicable soft spot for Bob (as well as her inexplicable desire to protect the "hapless civilian" who, from the start, is very very clearly anything but) felt forced to me; it certainly didn't track with the rest of her behaviour. It was like the writers had dediced that Yelena was our protagonist and therefore she needed to be Bob's advocate among the group rather than the other way round. LOL I haven't seen "Black Widow" (only knew Yelena from "Hawekeye") so when I read all the "OMG they killed off Taskmaster" posts after watching "Thunderbolts", I was like "Oh. The assassin from the vault fight. Was that someone we should have known?" Your second sentence I quoted made me laugh. That's such a Marvel Studios thing, just like "Oh I couldn't possibibly fight the villain unless I get a new costume first". Of course we can't have two teams meeeting (or even one team forming for that matter) without there being a physical fight. Which would probably end in a draw no matter how differently-powered the people involved happen to be. They 100% won't release a EUR 400+ modular with that selection because the only people it would appeal to would be F4 fans. Like, Doom is the only one I'd want out of all of them! Obviously I'm not the target group but if this is going to be the successor to the Daily Bugle it needs to have a broader appeal. The Bugle didn't just get the people who work there on a regular basis, neither did the Sanctum. There has to be a climatic battle with multiple desirable characters (not just the F4 vs. Doom and a bunch of bots) there for it to even qualify IMO. Another building also would work better looks-wise. The Baxter Building and the existing Avengers Tower are IMO quite similar in terms of aesthetics, so I wouldn't be surprised if they waited for the Tower to go EOL before giving us the Baxter Building (assuming the F4 are still relevant then). Although I liked Yelena's portrayal in Thunderbolts, I also think it felt off how quickly she gravitated towards Bob and took him under her wing. It felt not fleshed out enough. But she also has extreme abandonment issues from Black Widow and was dealing with the trauma of losing her sister. Right after they're reunited, Natasha dies and Yelena's all alone again. So based on her emotional headspace at the start of Thunderbolts, I can sorta buy her seeing someone else isolated and attaching herself to him because he reminds her of herself, but it does feel a tad forced. If you ever watch Black Widow, you might have a better understanding of the Yelena character that can explain her arc in Thunderbolts. Honestly, even as someone who saw Black Widow once, I can barely remember Taskmaster and what her deal was. Part of why I was happy she was killed off so quickly was because it meant I didn't need to waste time getting to know this character again. While Ghost was also a generic MCU villain, I had a better memory of what she was about unlike Taskmaster. Not even a Marvel Studios thing so much as a Marvel Comics thing. You can't have two teams meet without having some fight first. That was the case whenever two teams crossed over in one book back in the 60s and Marvel doubled down on it the last decade or two with constant events of two teams clashing. The MCU heavily bases itself on the modern Marvel comics so it's not surprising they've followed suit (first meeting of Cap, Iron Man, and Thor in Avengers has them fighting, Civil War, etc.) Just as there's likely going to be a fight between the New Avengers vs Sam's Avengers, I'm sure we'll get a fight between the X-Men and some group of Avengers. Yeah, the Daily Bugle has been the flagship Marvel modular set. I guess Avengers Tower can take over that spot now but even that will probably get retired in a few years. I can also see Avengers Tower maybe being remade with characters based on the last few MCU phases, to reflect the new Avengers teams. But then again, probably not since the modular consumer base wouldn't be happy with a set remake wasting up a spot for the year, plus I don't think there's any real interest in any of the new "Avengers" characters, most of whom the public wouldn't even associate as Avengers. With the Baxter Building, the FF is just too isolated a property right now for it to really work as a standalone set for all the reasons you listed. That's true. It's also why I think a modular of the Avengers Mansion from the comics is unlikely to come anytime soon because it overlaps with Avengers Tower and the aesthetics of the X-Mansion. Not to mention, there wouldn't really be any existing minifigures to populate the set since we rarely get comic minifigs. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) 22 hours ago, brickbride said: Meh, YMMV. I'd have preferred Walker as our protagonist BECAUSE he doesn't complain as much. (Well, not only because of that, but partly so.) We've had plenty of successful characters - say, Tony Stark, or Strange, or Loki - who clearly weren't happy and clearly needed a change in their lives but didn't constantly whine about it. Those opening scenes where Yelena complained to her victims, murdered them in cold blood, and then blew up the entire building (including all thoses storeys ABOVE the lab where nothing evil might have gone on at all) just presented her as someone awfully evil who didn't even register that other people had feelings and a right to live. Which made it all the weirder and more unbelievable to me that she then immediately latched onto Bob and tried to protect him Because The Script Said So. And the most she did in order to change her situation was ask Valentina for jobs that would give her better press. In general, she has a pattern of constantly expecting others to cater to her all the time (I noticed this in "Hawkeye" as well). Like when she went off on Red Guardian for not checking in on her even though she hadn't checked in on him either. Or when she, again, expected her victims to care more about her problems than the danger to their own lives. Honestly, part of the problem might be that she's a female Marvel protagonist. Marvel Studios don't have a great track record with those. They are very good at giving us male protagonists who are flawed but still sympathetic (not all the time but like 80% of the time). But there are few woman protagonists and they hold them to really weird standards. Like, Captain Marvel is a perfectly decent and heroic person but was vilefied in "The Marvels" for not checking in on Monica often enough during a galaxy-wide crisis where she had much, much bigger fish to fry. Meanwhile both Wanda and Yelena are awful, selfish people by any reasonable standards, but we're expected to excuse all of that because of their selective motherly feelings (including Yelena's for Bob). Even Agatha Harkness, whose characterisation they've done a much better job with (meaning she's still awful and selfish but at least this is acknowledged in-universe - she's actually one of my favourite Marvel characters), has to redeem herself through her motherly feelings for Billy! I've noticed a similar problem in other MCU movies (especially "Ant-Man" and "Brave New World") of non-protagonist women being reduced to Someone's Daugther to be Treasured and be Worthy of. If Marvel Studios could stop with that ridiculous double standard, we could have some much better movies. I agree with the starting part, I just think the movie does it intentionally. She's not supposed to be a good person at the start. She's supposed to be awful and wallowing in self-pity while she continues to make her own life worse. Meeting Bob and befriending the other thunderbolts is what changes that, and while as you say, your mileage may vary, I don't think it's entirely unbelievable. I've certainly had the experience of being in a bad situation and meeting someone that completely turns me around, alongside recontextualizing what my job there was. As for her actions in Hawkeye, once again, she's an antagonist, but somewhat understandably as she's just lost her sister and was told Hawkeye killed her. With Red Guardian... yeah, that's true, but at the same time that's a pretty common thing between parents and kids. Kids always want their parents to help out, but never check in themselves. I can't speak to that as much but Wanda's character assassination was definitely odd and brutal, taking her from a hero to a more villainous role -while telling us she was still a hero- than overcorrecting and just making her totally evil and the antagonist of a movie. I will say, though, it's definitely not motherly feelings Yelena has for Bob. Aside from them being about the same age, while I don't think it's explicitly shown, I thought it was implied that they had a romantic connection. 3 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said: Although I liked Yelena's portrayal in Thunderbolts, I also think it felt off how quickly she gravitated towards Bob and took him under her wing. It felt not fleshed out enough. But she also has extreme abandonment issues from Black Widow and was dealing with the trauma of losing her sister. Right after they're reunited, Natasha dies and Yelena's all alone again. So based on her emotional headspace at the start of Thunderbolts, I can sorta buy her seeing someone else isolated and attaching herself to him because he reminds her of herself, but it does feel a tad forced. If you ever watch Black Widow, you might have a better understanding of the Yelena character that can explain her arc in Thunderbolts. Honestly, even as someone who saw Black Widow once, I can barely remember Taskmaster and what her deal was. Part of why I was happy she was killed off so quickly was because it meant I didn't need to waste time getting to know this character again. While Ghost was also a generic MCU villain, I had a better memory of what she was about unlike Taskmaster. Yeah, it's not perfect but it's believable enough. I can definitely buy her, as lonely as she is at the start of the movie, desperately trying to make a connection with someone. Those early vault scenes are definitely the roughest in the film, but they're not anywhere near as egregious character-wise as most of the last few phases. She was one of those characters where marvel just spun a wheel on names they had and didn't actually make any attempt to make the character resemble their comic version. Even discounting the cosmetic differences, Tony vs Antonia, that type of thing, Taskmaster's whole thing is he's a merc with a mouth. He's a caustic, comedic mercenary who frequently crosses paths with Deadpool and Moon Knight and their similarly wacky adventures. Making him/her a silent antagonist was genuinely insane, as well as the removal of the skull motif. I think Oscorp is the most likely 2026 modular- the past year or so have certainly laid some groundwork for new spider-characters to include. MJ, Hobgoblin, Anti-Venom, Norman, Julia Carpenter, Kraven, and Ultimate Goblin (Harry) are all characters they could re-use from recent sets that weren't in the Bugle. (Morbius too if they can pull three years back, I'm not sure how long has to pass before a figure stops being a re-use budget-wise.) You throw in characters that were in the bugle but would have to be in oscorp anyway (Spider-Man, Peter Parker, and probably Venom/Miles/Gwen as well), as well as the civilian kitbashes they can do, and we're at large enough of a number that we could reach the bugle's figure count with the same print budget as that set. (And I of course must remind everyone that some of those new figs must be Kaine, Daredevil, Moon Knight, and Luna Snow) Edited September 22 by Mandalorianknight Quote
JVM Posted September 22 Posted September 22 Re: Thunderbolts, just want to register that I really wish we had a John Walker minifig. I don't feel beat up about Sentry for some reason but it feels weird to not have him for some reason. I guess because he was an existing character while Sentry was new for the movie. I kinda think LEGO should give us a Thunderbolts set even if it's late for it but also It's good for my wallet that there haven't been a lot of must buy sets this year (Fantastic Four vs. Galactus was the one) but also really miss being excited for the theme and new releases. A lot of it for me is that it feels LEGO isn't really doing all-new characters or really distinctive outfits on the level of previous years, but it's new characters that usually pull me in more than the existing ones getting tweaked endlessly. I also kind of miss the more comic book-y sets. I don't want to address the movies except that I liked all three of this year's releases enough, including Captain America 4. Quote
Kaijumeister Posted September 22 Posted September 22 (edited) 10 hours ago, JVM said: It's good for my wallet that there haven't been a lot of must buy sets this year (Fantastic Four vs. Galactus was the one) but also really miss being excited for the theme and new releases. A lot of it for me is that it feels LEGO isn't really doing all-new characters or really distinctive outfits on the level of previous years, but it's new characters that usually pull me in more than the existing ones getting tweaked endlessly. I also kind of miss the more comic book-y sets. What characterises the modern era of this theme (IMO) is the ‘half-baked’ nature a lot of the mainline sets tend to have - both in terms of the builds themselves but also the excessive reuse of characters. We do get some great exceptions to that rule like this year’s Quinjet, Spider-Man 2 Train Battle, Spider-Verse CMF etc. but they’re not the norm. Case in point, if this summer’s Oscorp set had been released in 2016 (one of the highlight years of this theme IMO), you can bet it would have had a better part count, minifigure selection, and a build that didn’t seem like it tried to do too much at once whilst ending up achieving very little. The penny-pinching for Lego Superheroes seems to be far tighter than it is for any other licensed theme right now. Edited September 22 by Kaijumeister Quote
JVM Posted September 22 Posted September 22 7 hours ago, Kaijumeister said: What characterises the modern era of this theme (IMO) is the ‘half-baked’ nature a lot of the mainline sets tend to have - both in terms of the builds themselves but also the excessive reuse of characters. We do get some great exceptions to that rule like this year’s Quinjet, Spider-Man 2 Train Battle, Spider-Verse CMF etc. but they’re not the norm. Case in point, if this summer’s Oscorp set had been released in 2016 (one of the highlight years of this theme IMO), you can bet it would have had a better part count, minifigure selection, and a build that didn’t seem like it tried to do too much at once whilst ending up achieving very little. The penny-pinching for Lego Superheroes seems to be far tighter than it is for any other licensed theme right now. I agree on the penny pinching. I wonder if the sets are making less money so the budget has been cut drastically? I know some of the less popular films resulting shelf-warming sets (although a couple of them were IMO great sets regardless) The thing is a lot of the earlier sets that had lower quality builds made up for it by either being packed with play features (several) or new character minifigures. The older Daily Bugle is overshadowed by its big cousin but it had Dr. Doom, Beetle and J. Jonah Jameson who remained exclusive for some years. Two of those characters are still exclusive to the set. It feels today the set would lose a play feature or two, have a smaller secondary building that would help increase the total price, a reused Venom to go with reused Spidey and probably swap Beetle and Dr. Doom for better-known Spider villains that have been done before. I don't mean to sound bitter, but this is how it feels as of late. Quote
brickbride Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) 12 hours ago, Kaijumeister said: The penny-pinching for Lego Superheroes seems to be far tighter than it is for any other licensed theme right now. Nah, it's the same in other themes. LEGO HP, for example, keeps jacking up prices while delivering very little. Malfoy Manor at EUR 150 list price is a paper-thin facade with a poor minifig selection, including a much inferior version of Narcissa than her last appearance in like 2011. The EUR 380 Hogsmeade collectors' edition looks like a playset and actually has a poorer minifig selection than the small playset version some years back (fewer figs for the price, McGonagall had skirt printing then but doesn't now, Mr Flume was provided then but isn't now). Also the new modular Hogwarts is dilled with crappy placeholders which you then have to remove to make room for add-ons, I can't wait for them to roll out that particular gimmick to other themes. Not. Edited September 23 by brickbride Quote
JeanGreyForever Posted September 23 Posted September 23 On 9/21/2025 at 11:34 PM, Mandalorianknight said: Yeah, it's not perfect but it's believable enough. I can definitely buy her, as lonely as she is at the start of the movie, desperately trying to make a connection with someone. Those early vault scenes are definitely the roughest in the film, but they're not anywhere near as egregious character-wise as most of the last few phases. She was one of those characters where marvel just spun a wheel on names they had and didn't actually make any attempt to make the character resemble their comic version. Even discounting the cosmetic differences, Tony vs Antonia, that type of thing, Taskmaster's whole thing is he's a merc with a mouth. He's a caustic, comedic mercenary who frequently crosses paths with Deadpool and Moon Knight and their similarly wacky adventures. Making him/her a silent antagonist was genuinely insane, as well as the removal of the skull motif. I think Oscorp is the most likely 2026 modular- the past year or so have certainly laid some groundwork for new spider-characters to include. MJ, Hobgoblin, Anti-Venom, Norman, Julia Carpenter, Kraven, and Ultimate Goblin (Harry) are all characters they could re-use from recent sets that weren't in the Bugle. (Morbius too if they can pull three years back, I'm not sure how long has to pass before a figure stops being a re-use budget-wise.) You throw in characters that were in the bugle but would have to be in oscorp anyway (Spider-Man, Peter Parker, and probably Venom/Miles/Gwen as well), as well as the civilian kitbashes they can do, and we're at large enough of a number that we could reach the bugle's figure count with the same print budget as that set. (And I of course must remind everyone that some of those new figs must be Kaine, Daredevil, Moon Knight, and Luna Snow) A lot of the latest movies have suffered from extensive reshoots, which is evident in the pacing. FF is a good example of that because the opening of the movie was heavily cut down. BNW probably had the most reshoots of any MCU movie. I haven't heard anything about Thunderbolts going through any major reshoots but maybe that affected the opening vault scenes. I think Marvel felt that for Black Widow, they needed a female villain. And they somehow thought it would be good to make it a twist villain by using the Taskmaster ensemble to mask her gender as audiences would be expecting a male villain based on the comics. Your comparison to Deadpool is pretty apt because in both cases, we have a popular wisecracking character who is more or less rendered silent in their respective debut movies (Wolverine Origins and Black Widow). Both depictions were badly received by fans so I wouldn't be surprised if one day a more comic accurate Taskmaster ends up in the movies (a bit like how Mandarin's MCU depiction in Iron Man 3 was also polarizing). Marvel seemed to realize their mistake since they set the Taskmaster we did end up getting to die almost immediately. I'm leaning towards Oscorp too. There's a lot of new characters who would work who've been appearing in recent sets like you listed. The Daily Bugle also reused a lot of minifigs who appeared in sets before, so any influx of new minifigs is usually a sign towards a modular that will encompass many of those figs. Oscorp could easily feature Anti-Venom, Harry Osborn/Ultimate Green Goblin, Norman Osborn, and Hobgoblin, to name a few examples. Since the comic-based modular sets take inspiration from a variety of sources, including the comics, different movies, video games, etc., I feel Oscorp could take advantage of all the different Spider-Man media, especially the Andrew Garfield movies where Oscorp is featured most heavily. Would be nice to finally see comic accurate versions of Electro, Rhino, Lizard, Dr. Curt Connors, Miles Warren, and Gwen Stacy, since they all have some sort of connection to the Osborns in either the comics or the movies. The Daily Bugle set teased a Norman Osborn with comic accurate hair which we still haven't seen to this day. Would be a great new piece especially since it also works for Harry and Sandman. Would also like to see the characters you listed at the end. Wondering if we could expect more Daredevil characters in general, like an official Matt Murdock minifigure or Elektra, Bullseye, and Kingpin. I feel like Marvel is really reluctant to make bigfigs now (Red Hulk aside) and Kingpin is one of those characters who really doesn't work as a regular minifig so maybe that hurts his chances. On 9/22/2025 at 12:32 AM, JVM said: Re: Thunderbolts, just want to register that I really wish we had a John Walker minifig. I don't feel beat up about Sentry for some reason but it feels weird to not have him for some reason. I guess because he was an existing character while Sentry was new for the movie. I kinda think LEGO should give us a Thunderbolts set even if it's late for it but also Sentry is such a powerful character that him appearing in Doomsday means he'll have to be relevant to the plot, likely moreso than the rest of the team. I think he's the most likely to receive a minifigure. But John Walker is also the one I'd like to see the most, since I find him the best written character. Depending on how the Thunderbolts are grouped together in Doomsday, I wonder if we might get one set that features them all rather than just a scattering of members. 2 hours ago, brickbride said: Nah, it's the same in other themes. LEGO HP, for example, keeps jacking up prices while delivering very little. Malfoy Manor at EUR 150 list price is a paper-thin facade with a poor minifig selection, including a much inferior version of Narcissa than her last appearance in like 2011. The EUR 380 Hogsmeade collectors' edition looks like a playset and actually has a poorer minifig selection than the small playset version some years back (fewer figs for the price, McGonagall had skirt printing then but doesn't now, Mr Flume was provided then but isn't now). Also the new modular Hogwarts is dilled with crappy placeholders which you then have to remove to make room for add-ons, I can't wait for them to roll out that particular gimmick to other themes. Not. HP does have some issues, but I feel it's not nearly a bad as Marvel. For Marvel, most of the Spider-Man sets give us the same minifigures we always get like Spidey, Miles, Gwen, Venom, or a Venomized version of some other character. A lot of the easter egg characters from the Daily Bugle still haven't shown up in future sets and the same is true for the X-Mansion set. We get an Endgame final battle set every other year, and it's usually a worse version of its predecessor. Yet, despite the surplus of Endgame sets, we still don't have core characters like Hawkeye as Ronin. Characters rarely have dual molding or leg printing and the X-Mansion is the worst example of this with Cyclops' printed hips. The X-Mansion came out after the Natural Museum set but isn't anywhere near its scale or size. FF minifigs were widely anticipated but were mostly a bust too, reusing widely used heads and not enough detail. Disney sets have also gotten a lot worse. Characters who need dual molding don't get it, colors are mismatched, and some of the same awkward leg printing that characters like Cyclops got are also present in characters like Nani and David from Lilo & Stitch. So I think the lack of quality might be a Disney IP thing overall but I don't follow Lego Star Wars anymore so don't know if the same has been happening over in that theme. But I saw the Death Star and the polarizing reactions to the price and quality of the final set so I can definitely see it being a Disney IP pattern, which might be why HP still seems better off in comparison. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) 12 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said: A lot of the latest movies have suffered from extensive reshoots, which is evident in the pacing. FF is a good example of that because the opening of the movie was heavily cut down. BNW probably had the most reshoots of any MCU movie. I haven't heard anything about Thunderbolts going through any major reshoots but maybe that affected the opening vault scenes. I think Marvel felt that for Black Widow, they needed a female villain. And they somehow thought it would be good to make it a twist villain by using the Taskmaster ensemble to mask her gender as audiences would be expecting a male villain based on the comics. Your comparison to Deadpool is pretty apt because in both cases, we have a popular wisecracking character who is more or less rendered silent in their respective debut movies (Wolverine Origins and Black Widow). Both depictions were badly received by fans so I wouldn't be surprised if one day a more comic accurate Taskmaster ends up in the movies (a bit like how Mandarin's MCU depiction in Iron Man 3 was also polarizing). Marvel seemed to realize their mistake since they set the Taskmaster we did end up getting to die almost immediately. I'm leaning towards Oscorp too. There's a lot of new characters who would work who've been appearing in recent sets like you listed. The Daily Bugle also reused a lot of minifigs who appeared in sets before, so any influx of new minifigs is usually a sign towards a modular that will encompass many of those figs. Oscorp could easily feature Anti-Venom, Harry Osborn/Ultimate Green Goblin, Norman Osborn, and Hobgoblin, to name a few examples. Since the comic-based modular sets take inspiration from a variety of sources, including the comics, different movies, video games, etc., I feel Oscorp could take advantage of all the different Spider-Man media, especially the Andrew Garfield movies where Oscorp is featured most heavily. Would be nice to finally see comic accurate versions of Electro, Rhino, Lizard, Dr. Curt Connors, Miles Warren, and Gwen Stacy, since they all have some sort of connection to the Osborns in either the comics or the movies. The Daily Bugle set teased a Norman Osborn with comic accurate hair which we still haven't seen to this day. Would be a great new piece especially since it also works for Harry and Sandman. Would also like to see the characters you listed at the end. Wondering if we could expect more Daredevil characters in general, like an official Matt Murdock minifigure or Elektra, Bullseye, and Kingpin. I feel like Marvel is really reluctant to make bigfigs now (Red Hulk aside) and Kingpin is one of those characters who really doesn't work as a regular minifig so maybe that hurts his chances. Oh, man. I don't know how much of it they shot, but the original thunderbolts movie sounded AWFUL. Taskmaster was going to be one of the main heroes, and John Walker was going to be THE VILLAIN OF THE MOVIE and TURN INTO A HULK. I'm glad they realized that people hated MCU Taskmaster and liked John and fixed those mistakes. I doubt the vault scenes were part of that, at least what we see onscreen, since taskmaster isn't there, but I wonder if that's part of why John's angrier and denser in the vault and a lot more reasonable and like his TFATWS self once they get outside. Probably, though it's funny they literally have a female villain from the comics present who's just... Black Widow's "mom" in the movie. It is more or less the same as what they did to Deadpool back then. Yup, oscorp would be great and has both a solid figure background and a solid amount of new figures it could have. Those four personally have been an in-joke of mine for at least six months or so now of bringing them up (Kaine, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luna Snow) whenever mentioning Oscorp. The joke is pretending that lego has some sort of algorithm searching our posts and that by spamming those names it'll pick up on it and put them in the set. As for bigfigs, it's inarguable. Even with red hulk, he got one singular big fig in the BNW set, but a minifig in a different set that could easily just have re-used the bigfig (and even given us a new face print with the moustache and glasses). Same with the Hulk truck and Thanos. I assume it's something to do with the cost associated with them- lego's either too cheap to put bigfigs in, or the sets would legitimately just be at too high a price point. (Which I honestly am no longer sure is true. The hands, hair, and pins are essentially normal unprinted parts. The arms are a bit large but still normal pieces, and the head is printed but otherwise a medium-sized part. You have one expensive and printed piece- the body- and I SERIOUSLY doubt that it costs more than, say, twice as much as a minifig to produce, especially with someone like Rulk where there's not exactly a ton of printed detail.) If I was going to do a semi-realistic Oscorp figure guess, going off the bugle (though with slightly more villains and fewer civilians given the location), I'd guess something like the following: 10 Re-used: 6 villains (Venom, Nu-Ultimate Goblin, Hobgoblin, Anti-Venom, Kraven), 4 heroes (Spider-Man, Wolverine, 2099, Julia Carpenter) - If we're getting oscorp, I would put actual money down that almost all of these will show up. To explain the slightly less likely one: Wolverine would be included to fit with deadpool, who given the bugle designer's comments and inclusion in doomsday I think at this point is a lock for the next marvel modular. 7 Civilians: Norman Osborne (Re-used), Mary Jane (Re-used), Harry Osborn, Flash Thompson, Peter Parker, Curt Conners, Miles Warren. The specific scientists may change, especially if the latter two's alter-egos show up, but I feel confident overall. 8 New: Electro, Rhino, Lizard, Deadpool, Kaine, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luna Snow. (Ok, ok. I still think Kaine works, but hypothetically instead of the other three, lego may choose to do Lizard, Scarlet Spider, and... I actually am fairly confident on a comic moon knight, seeing how many of the Marvel Knights type characters we got in the Bugle.) Of course, this all assumes we get Oscorp at all. I think a new marvel modular is almost a lock, but it could always be something else. I will say I was planning on getting the apartment set around christmas, but between Anti-venom being in a polybag and hobgoblin+MJ being likely if we get oscorp, I may just wait until closer to it's retirement. If they do show up in another set, I'm sure I could get the apartment build for like 15 bucks on bricklink or something. Edited September 23 by Mandalorianknight Quote
DaredevilFan Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) Looks like Tombstone is confirmed for Brand New Day, he would be a great new fig to get please let the Sandman set be based on Spider-Man 3 Also can we get some interesting villains for the new Bugle Edited September 23 by DaredevilFan Quote
psqidexslizer Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) The rest of the January set list has leaked. Very disappointing, IMO. Hopefully the new Bugle has a new villain or two, otherwise I can’t imagine the build will improve on the modular we’ve already gotten. Edited September 23 by psqidexslizer Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) And the price for most creatively bankrupt theme goes to… …DC for providing nothing but Batmobiles and a logo, but Marvel is not far behind Are they serious with this wave? Another Hulkbuster, ANOTHER Spidey vs Doc Ock mech set, another Miles mech, another Spidey car, another, buildable Iron Man, another buildable Groot What version of Groot could they even do besides the one from Vol 2 in the ravager suit? A carnagised version? Granted, a new small-scale version of the Bugle could be cool, but I smell lots of repeated minifigs. And the Sandman set sounds very similar to the NWH one Edited September 23 by BrickBob Studpants Quote
Lego Nostalgia Posted September 23 Posted September 23 I am more excited for the 3 Batmobiles than this Marvel Wave, only thing that would make me buy the new Bugle is a new Daredevil, Kingpin, Bullseye Ghost Rider Bike sounds cool though and the Sandman set would be nice if it came with Raimi Symbiote Spidey Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 Waiter waiter. More Hulkbusters and Spider slop please. Why are all the main licensed themes going down the drain all of a sudden? 4 minutes ago, Lego Nostalgia said: I am more excited for the 3 Batmobiles than this Marvel Wave, only thing that would make me buy the new Bugle is a new Daredevil, Kingpin, Bullseye At least one of the Batmobiles has the chance to be something brand new. Marvel’s just an entire wave of Luke’s Landspeeders. Quote
JeanGreyForever Posted September 23 Posted September 23 Sandman set could be promising if it's based on Raimi. Although the low price makes me think they wouldn't give us a much requested character like black suit Spider-Man in a $25 set. Daily Bugle makes perfect sense with the modular retiring and it would fit with the new mini-modular sets they've been making. Like how the Harry Potter theme has a D2C Diagon Alley but playscale versions as well for people who want cheaper alternatives. I'm torn between wanting the Daily Bugle set to have 1-2 new minifigures or having all reused minifigures so I don't feel any temptation to buy it. Quote
DaredevilFan Posted September 23 Posted September 23 8 minutes ago, Lego Nostalgia said: I am more excited for the 3 Batmobiles than this Marvel Wave, only thing that would make me buy the new Bugle is a new Daredevil, Kingpin, Bullseye Ghost Rider Bike sounds cool though and the Sandman set would be nice if it came with Raimi Symbiote Spidey If the Bugle comes with side builds like Oscorp one could be Fogwells gym. That would be a great way to include Daredevil and Kingpin. But I’m full expecting it to be Spider-Man, Miles and Spider-Man 2099 all reused for heroes Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted September 23 Posted September 23 1 minute ago, CloneCommando99 said: Why are all the main licensed themes going down the drain all of a sudden? I wouldn‘t go that far There are some cool-sounding Star Wars sets coming, the Harry Potter wave seems pretty awesome, the Minecraft wave intrigues me, and Sonic will have some neat additions. Many other licensed themes we still know next to nothing about (Jurassic World, One Piece, Mario, Fortnite, and Animal Crossing). But yeah, Marvel and DC are in a bit of a rough spot. Maybe the sets will be well realised, but the choices are super bland Quote
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