thephantasm Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) I asked the leaker on discord he said he really meant one minifig AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH Edited January 22 by thephantasm Quote
DaredevilFan Posted January 22 Posted January 22 There’s no way LEGO would base Arkham on Batman forever that’s insane even for them…right?? This is gonna be the shadow box all over again 😂 Quote
Renny The Spaceman Posted January 22 Posted January 22 2 hours ago, wesker said: The Schumacher films may be the worst Batman adaption to date but they do still have their fans. The Funko and DC Direct figures based on those films have sold surprisingly well (with Poison Ivy's figure in particular being very popular) so there is an audience out there. But enough to sell a 400 quid set? I don't think this was a smart decision 6 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Yeah look obviously everything's anecdotes, but I'm struggling to imagine the number of people who know the Eternals but not the F4 is more than, like, a single digit. Yeah I mean that's just from my experience, I've heard it referred to as "the movies with harley quinn and the other villains" or "Guardians with Harley Quinn" Yeah, nothing anyone's said here has been more than anecdotal, none of us have the tools to actually do a study on this, but yeah I'm very confused by the Eternals being mentioned here. It's not even like a Morbius level bomb where normal people joke about how bad it apparently is. 3 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: I'm lost for words. If the Arkham Asylum is really somehow based on those movies... like, genuinely—what would have to be going on in LEGO's mind? The Batmobile including only one minifigure (unless it was a typo) would be absolutely ridiculous, especially for a 100€ one. They did it with the Adam West Batmobile, it's clear LEGO is trying to shift to just Batman in the Batmobiles. Anything to avoid making Robin 4 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: At this point yes. We're rapidly approaching a bionicle G2 situation wherein the decisions are so bafflingly poor (hey you know that theme that saved our company, the one everyone liked because of the story and lore? Axe the story and lore from the reboot. Make it so half the characters in the first wave don't even have NAMES) and the sets are selling poorly enough (the full 2023 batman wave being put into that value pack that more or less halved the price) that sooner or later retailers are just going to stop stocking lego DC. It might legitimately be better to cancel the theme and wait until whoever's making these decisions is gone to avoid a situation like that. Yeah, exactly my worry, like with the Wonder Woman set's box, like with them not bothering to really cash in on Aquaman, it seems like LEGO's making stupid decisions then blaming DC when the theme doesn't do well Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 22 Posted January 22 A $100 Batmobile with only one minifig?! Just end the theme already, what are we even doing here Quote
THELEGOBATMAN Posted January 22 Posted January 22 For a second I wanted to slightly defend this set for being more like the recent '66 Batmobile, but: a) it has half the amount of its pieces, and b) it's not an 18+ set. Frankly, it's ridiculous. I remember my last glimmer of hope for this year being a nice, 100€ Batcave. But then it turned out to be based on Batman Forever. And then it turned out not be a Batcave, but a Batmobile. And then it turned out to have a single minifigure. Quote
BatDeanj Posted January 22 Posted January 22 There is still hope for Arkham but yeah what a weird year. Absolutely nothing connected, 3 batmobiles and no official film set for the biggest DC film (not R rated) in years. Quote
psqidexslizer Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I wasn’t going to jump on this again, but I see enough people talking about it that I feel I have to respond. Yes, more people in the general audience, at least in my experience, are familiar with the Eternals than the Fantastic Four. Now, the number of people I’ve run into who know the Eternals and aren’t big superhero fans is only a few. And they really only know it as that boring Marvel movie they never saw. But that’s still more than the zero who know who the Fantastic Four are. I really think superhero fans are underselling just how irrelevant these guys are at this point. Outside of comics, they’ve had essentially nothing but bad movies for decades. As far as Lego never making Fantastic Four sets due to the embargo, there’s more to the story. Let’s not forget X-Men were stuck under the same embargo. Yet, we got two sets before that embargo went into effect and as soon as it lifted we got a Wolverine mech and a buildable Wolverine figure and buildable Wolverine claws, even without a series to tie into. The embargo was not the only reason we didn’t get Fantastic Four sets. As for the original point this all related to, Superman is indisputable more recognizable than the Fantastic Four and despite his recent missteps in cinema he’s still more popular. It makes zero sense that Lego made a Fantastic Four movie set but not a Superman movie set. Not, as for a Schumacher Arkham, thinking about it more, I think it actually makes a lot more sense. People who want an Arkham will buy it for Arkham regardless of the figures, so long as the build is good. There are collectors who will buy it for the figures just because they are Schumacher variants which we haven’t gotten before. As for people who don’t know the Schumacher movies, they’ll just see a set with Riddler, Two Face, and Mr Freeze and buy it for those characters. I would have preferred a comic or BtAS minifigures lineup, but I don’t think this is as bad of a decision as many of you are making it out to be. Quote
icm Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 49 minutes ago, BatDeanj said: There is still hope for Arkham but yeah what a weird year. Absolutely nothing connected, 3 batmobiles and no official film set for the biggest DC film (not R rated) in years. Walt, three Batmobiles? There's the Tumbler and the Forever, but what's the third? Edit, the third is the 4+. I usually don't remember those. Edited January 22 by icm Quote
BatDeanj Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 1 minute ago, icm said: Walt, three Batmobiles? There's the Tumbler and the Forever, but what's the third? https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/batman-batmobile-vs-mr-freeze-76301?ef_id=Cj0KCQiAy8K8BhCZARIsAKJ8sfTesUGiA-rz0vPlgwyQkDVlbGXnW_D-04WD0nuNoB-eJTfM7suQE20aAo__EALw_wcB%3AG%3As&s_kwcid=AL!933!3!!!!x!!!19812010236!&cmp=KAC-INI-GOOGEU-GO-GB_GL-EN-RE-SP-BUY-CREATE-MB_ALWAYS_ON-SHOP-BP-PMAX-ALL-CIDNA00000-PMAX-LOW_PRIORITY&gad_source=1&consent-modal=show Batman™ & Batmobile™ vs. Mr. Freeze™ Edited January 22 by BatDeanj Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 22 Posted January 22 5 hours ago, thephantasm said: I asked the leaker on discord he said he really meant one minifig Now we know why they didn't go all-in and just do Batman and Robin- making a Batman and Robin set without Robin would probably be a bit too on the nose for the current state of the theme. 4 hours ago, Renny The Spaceman said: Yeah, exactly my worry, like with the Wonder Woman set's box, like with them not bothering to really cash in on Aquaman, it seems like LEGO's making stupid decisions then blaming DC when the theme doesn't do well I've always been against the idea that the designers are letting their personal likes/dislikes get in the way of the sets, but with the fact that the superhero design team is mainly marvel guys, I do have to wonder if that may be a factor here. Like the other two aren't the worst things possible- yeah the wonder woman box was strange but not set-breaking (that was the movie's fault), and with aquaman I do have to say I don't think they'd be able to sell a wave of sets for the movie. But stuff like "hey let's only do two sets this 2HY and they're gonna be expensive sets based on the second least popular batman film" has very few ways to read it aside from intentional sabotage or just monumental stupidity. I refuse to believe they have marketing data showing demand for Schumacher sets over pretty much anything else. Quote
Renny The Spaceman Posted January 22 Posted January 22 35 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said: I wasn’t going to jump on this again, but I see enough people talking about it that I feel I have to respond. Yes, more people in the general audience, at least in my experience, are familiar with the Eternals than the Fantastic Four. Now, the number of people I’ve run into who know the Eternals and aren’t big superhero fans is only a few. And they really only know it as that boring Marvel movie they never saw. But that’s still more than the zero who know who the Fantastic Four are. I really think superhero fans are underselling just how irrelevant these guys are at this point. Outside of comics, they’ve had essentially nothing but bad movies for decades. As far as Lego never making Fantastic Four sets due to the embargo, there’s more to the story. Let’s not forget X-Men were stuck under the same embargo. Yet, we got two sets before that embargo went into effect and as soon as it lifted we got a Wolverine mech and a buildable Wolverine figure and buildable Wolverine claws, even without a series to tie into. The embargo was not the only reason we didn’t get Fantastic Four sets. As for the original point this all related to, Superman is indisputable more recognizable than the Fantastic Four and despite his recent missteps in cinema he’s still more popular. It makes zero sense that Lego made a Fantastic Four movie set but not a Superman movie set. Not, as for a Schumacher Arkham, thinking about it more, I think it actually makes a lot more sense. People who want an Arkham will buy it for Arkham regardless of the figures, so long as the build is good. There are collectors who will buy it for the figures just because they are Schumacher variants which we haven’t gotten before. As for people who don’t know the Schumacher movies, they’ll just see a set with Riddler, Two Face, and Mr Freeze and buy it for those characters. I would have preferred a comic or BtAS minifigures lineup, but I don’t think this is as bad of a decision as many of you are making it out to be. No I fully agree Superman is way more popular, it's night and day but that's not really relevant. Superman has also mainly been stuck with bad (at least to the general audience, calm down, I know plenty of people like Snyder and probably 2 like Returns) movies. Like let's not forget a main sticking point around all superhero discussions at the genres peak around the 2010s was how Superman is the most boring and lame superhero until recently that was the consensus, so much so that DC was genuinely planning to make Clark permanently evil in the comics and replace him with his son during the whole 5G debacle. The Fantastic Four's films aren't held in high regard, but the toys for the ones that had them seemed to sell decently well, yes a big part of why we got a small handful of X-Men sets and no Fantastic Four ones was they were irrelevant but that's making my point for me here, they're very relevant now, the biggest media company on earth is pushing them hard and there's no recent precedent for the team getting that, so there's no actual bad experience to turn LEGO away from it. The DCEU was pushed just as hard when LEGO was making sets for it, and they all flopped horribly, I'd rather have Superman sets but you have to understand that just because everyone knows Superman doesn't mean it translates into people wanting toys of him. I think it's almost certain a Superman movie set would do better than a 100 quid Schumacher Batmobile but that's not what's in question here. DC needs to prove the brand is still viable for a corporation to try cash in on it. Even with Marvel's flops by putting the fantastic four and all their other characters in Fortnite and Marvel Rivals and by them managing to get at least one film to be a big success every year there's simply more trust there. Even the good, non-R rated DC projects like The Batman just aren't very toyetic, it makes perfect sense for them to choose fantastic four over Superman. But, that's not really the decision they made, is it? Once again, I think the issue is that they keep betting on the stupidest megablocking sets for DC, they sell poorly then they think it's DC's fault and make less. Like the fact they haven't even tried like 4+ Teen Titans Go sets is insane 5 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: I've always been against the idea that the designers are letting their personal likes/dislikes get in the way of the sets, but with the fact that the superhero design team is mainly marvel guys, I do have to wonder if that may be a factor here. Like the other two aren't the worst things possible- yeah the wonder woman box was strange but not set-breaking (that was the movie's fault), and with aquaman I do have to say I don't think they'd be able to sell a wave of sets for the movie. But stuff like "hey let's only do two sets this 2HY and they're gonna be expensive sets based on the second least popular batman film" has very few ways to read it aside from intentional sabotage or just monumental stupidity. I refuse to believe they have marketing data showing demand for Schumacher sets over pretty much anything else. Yeah, I think it's kinda a childish way to think generally but this year is really making me consider it. Like it's obviously not intentional sabotage but I think it could be that these sets are an afterthought by people who don't care for the licence so they're just going down the list of nostalgic adaptations and repeating the same formulas to no avail. Because honestly the only reason I could see someone winding up with this year's line up is that Quote
Lego Nostalgia Posted January 22 Posted January 22 4 hours ago, DaredevilFan said: There’s no way LEGO would base Arkham on Batman forever that’s insane even for them…right?? This is gonna be the shadow box all over again 😂 Perhaps we were too hard on the Shadow Box, I kinda like it in the end Maybe Turtle was right Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Just now, Lego Nostalgia said: Perhaps we were too hard on the Shadow Box, I kinda like it in the end Maybe Turtle was right Honestly his classic rallying cry of "lego hates DC" is starting to ring a little true. Though it's probably more accurate to say "lego doesn't have anyone who actually cares about DC on the team and as such is making decisions that people with more than a passing knowledge of what a batman is would find baffling" 5 minutes ago, Renny The Spaceman said: Yeah, I think it's kinda a childish way to think generally but this year is really making me consider it. Like it's obviously not intentional sabotage but I think it could be that these sets are an afterthought by people who don't care for the licence so they're just going down the list of nostalgic adaptations and repeating the same formulas to no avail. Because honestly the only reason I could see someone winding up with this year's line up is that Nail on the head, the best way to read it is that whoever's making these isn't familiar with batman much and just doesn't know that most people don't like Batman Forever. Can't wait for the Batman and Robin Batmobile ($130, kitbashed bruce wayne) in 2026 and the New Batman Adventures Batmobile ($180, figure sized but no minifigures), culminating in the theme's end in 2028 with the Batman Begins Tumbler ($250, but it's not UCS, it's about the size of the $40 tumbler. Instead of including minifigures you have to give a batman minifigure to the cashier along with the $250) Quote
Lego Nostalgia Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) What annoys me is that there's so many things they could make like Dioramas or sets based from comics, make Batman vs Bane underground fight Diorama from TDKR, Make a TDKR Batcave with The Bat, Make a set with Joker's Truck and the Bat-Pod, Make a set from the Justice League Animated Series, Make Comic Sets, Make a BVS Batmobile, Make a UCS The Batman Batmobile, But no, just give us 4+, gimmick, 1989 sets and only include Batman and Joker, Is it so hard to make a Batman set with ROBIN,BANE,CATWOMAN,DEATHSTROKE,NIGHTWING AGAIN, crazy how we got all the characters I listed in 2015,2016 I knew well that the BTAS line was a one and done I'll never say no to more TDKT sets as long as it's not a Tumbler, A Bane one I'd like though, BUT DON'T MAKE IT UCS I think Lego needs to hire new designers, get rid of these old guys, they need people with new ideas These guys will think the only Batman media there is, are 1989 and the Schumacher Films Getting no Robin is just crazy, what could be the reason ? lazy ? cheap ? All he'd need is 2 new prints and a yellow cape but that's asking for too much these days, I complain about Marvel with reuses but at least they get more love If Arkham is based off the Schumacher films, I expect it to be a bad seller, and will be on discount like the Hulkbuster and BP Bust, and will retire in a year and a half But are we sure it is based off Batman Forever ? I pray it isn't Edited January 22 by Lego Nostalgia Quote
BatDeanj Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) No we are not sure, just a quote along the lines that 'Batmobile can go with Arkham' or something. either saying its minifig scale or both are based on the same thing, or both It makes little sense as they cant bleed any other figures than batman from the forever set. with BTAS they have 4/5. with comics they have 4/5. nothing else really makes any sense Edited January 22 by BatDeanj Quote
Coryo Posted January 22 Posted January 22 The Batmobile is an easy skip if it isn't going to include Robin or any of the villains, I'm sure the price in AUD would be horrific anyway. Kind of annoyed I got my hopes up for a new Batcave though Basing the Arkham D2C set on the Schumacher movies would be a genuinely baffling choice, so it probably will be the route that the Lego DC team takes. 31 minutes ago, Renny The Spaceman said: Like the fact they haven't even tried like 4+ Teen Titans Go sets is insane 100%. The team line-up from Teen Titans Go and the 2003 show are probably some of the most iconic DC characters for most of Gen Z/Alpha Quote
THELEGOBATMAN Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I completely agree that this year is a new low for LEGO DC, especially within the context of DCU beginning. It genuinely feels like someone who has absolutely no idea about what DC is or who Batman is is managing this theme. It feels like an executive saying "What Batman movie haven't we tackled yet?" "Well, sir, there's Batman Forever... but—" "No 'buts', just make it work. Just remember that the budget allows us to do just a single set, with no more than one new minifigure print." Quote
thephantasm Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) Lego is aiming for the same collectors who buy prime1 statues from batman forever but its the most niche of the already niche adult collectors, we don't see the whole arkham that much and its $400. The other sets seem like very safe choices (aside from the ridiculous batmobile prices lmao) but this one is like... anyways im not buying it Very strange they refuse to do a minifig batpod or remake the bat, I think the batpod is nearly as iconic as the tumbler. I'm sure professional lego designers can figure out a design Lego could have done an easy peazy mask of the phantasm tie in, capitalizing on that fanbase with just a small playset with reuse figures and one new phantasm figure (and also a "mad love" battlepack, one of the most iconic episodes) i guarantee a jl animated set would sell, scale of a watchtower set might be an issue but they could do like a "origins" set similar to gotham skyline but the various members standing in front of their cities. Then bleed the figures and just give me a jlu supergirl dcau is in fact so beloved, its weird they didnt make a new adventures batcave playset-doesn't have to be that big. It can bleed figures and compliment sets. If spiderman can get a comic apartment, batman can definitely get a dcau batcave ofc like others said titans tower idk what theyre doing, beast boy can also double as the green batcave t rex They really should invest in comic sets and not over rely on movies like what happened to marvel. I get that so few people read comics vs watching movies but theres potenrial for really wacky concepts like comic accurate vehicles like the bat train and bat variants like batman who laughs and his crew (go away dccirclejerk users, metal is an easy logical way to incorporate other leaguers). Also work closer with dc and incorporate digital comics, similar to mcfarlane. Lego seems very reactive so maybe if marvels comic modulars sell well, we'll see I guarantee theres at least one dc fanatic there (or was there) because somehow we got huntress and metamorpho in a comic cmf Also, > $100 batman forever batmobile with one minifig Lego youtubers: incredible, amazing Edited January 22 by thephantasm Quote
BatDeanj Posted January 22 Posted January 22 When leakers leak sets do they just see retail listings or do they see concept art or the actual set. I really want to know what Arkham is based on Quote
Renny The Spaceman Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said: Honestly his classic rallying cry of "lego hates DC" is starting to ring a little true. Though it's probably more accurate to say "lego doesn't have anyone who actually cares about DC on the team and as such is making decisions that people with more than a passing knowledge of what a batman is would find baffling" Nail on the head, the best way to read it is that whoever's making these isn't familiar with batman much and just doesn't know that most people don't like Batman Forever. Can't wait for the Batman and Robin Batmobile ($130, kitbashed bruce wayne) in 2026 and the New Batman Adventures Batmobile ($180, figure sized but no minifigures), culminating in the theme's end in 2028 with the Batman Begins Tumbler ($250, but it's not UCS, it's about the size of the $40 tumbler. Instead of including minifigures you have to give a batman minifigure to the cashier along with the $250) Yeah, it's insane. I wonder if the complete avoidance of Robin comes down to the idea that he's just lame and makes Batman less cool. That seems like an opinion most people just casually into Batman have. Seems like anyone in the know would object to this as kids love Robin, he headlines one of the most popular kids shows and is their obvious insert into the world. Like it's embarrassing that we can't even have a juniors set with Damien in it, especially as we now have skin tones that'd work perfectly for him Quote
psqidexslizer Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) It’s actually pretty funny how months ago some of us, at least, were of the mentality that Lego was finally going to deliver with this new Arkham Asylum. Finally, enough of the shadow boxes and the display pieces for old movies and shows with only a small handful of minifigures. Arkham Asylum had to be comic based, or at least BtAS based. There was no other media they could base it on. Except the Schumacher films. But that decision would be laughable. Edited January 22 by psqidexslizer Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 7 hours ago, thephantasm said: I asked the leaker on discord he said he really meant one minifig It's little timmy's first UCS, except little timmy's never heard of the movie this is from and thinks the batmobile looks weird, and the adults who have nostalgia bought everything else remember when Batman Forever "ruined batman forever" so they don't want it. Lego realizes their error in 2026- the batmobile wasn't expensive enough for adults to think it's a premium product and not a toy (all lego sets are toys, fight me). Plus, most adults who collect batman already HAVE a lego batman minifigure. They release the Batman and Robin Batmobile ($140, still about the size of the 2019/2023/2024 batmobiles), which contains no minifigures, but advertises putting your Batman Forever Batman figure in the driver's seat. 15 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said: It’s actually pretty funny how months ago some of us, at least, were of the mentality that Lego was finally going to deliver with this new Arkham Asylum. Finally, enough of the shadow boxes and the display pieces for old movies and shows with only a small handful of minifigures. Arkham Asylum had to be comic based, or at least BtAS based. There was no other media they could base it on. Except the Schumacher films. But that decision would be laughable. It really is the batcave all over again. I'm proud to be cynical enough about the theme at this point that I knew they'd find a way. But even I never imagined it would end up like this. Edited January 22 by Mandalorianknight Quote
Lego Nostalgia Posted January 22 Posted January 22 We need more location based sets, a Gotham street with GCPD,Ace Chemicals,Wayne Tower and Iceberg Lounge would be so cool, playscale or modular But can't even get a playscale Batcave that isn't 4+, Batmobile after Batmobile, the 1989 Batwing was our first Batwing in ages lol 2012 sure seems to be the golden year for Lego Batman, Batcave,Batmobile and Two Face's truck with a Bank,Batwing and Joker helicopter, Joker's hideout, Catwoman cycle chase, where did it go wrong 2015 and 2016 gave us Red Hood,Deadshot,Deathstroke,Starfire, Beast Boy,Darkseid,Hal Jordan GL,Green Arrow,Martian Manhunter,Supergirl, wtf happened, how can sets from 9 years ago be better than the ones today,set choice and figure wise anyway I'm glad Bricklink is a thing, without it I wouldn't have been able to get old figures/sets You're better off spending 60$ for old figures than you are buying a Tumbler, Two Face was the only reason I bought it I guess I liked the Tumbler build too even though I got the 2021 version, I'm stupid 1 hour ago, BatDeanj said: When leakers leak sets do they just see retail listings or do they see concept art or the actual set. I really want to know what Arkham is based on I'd love to be able to see images for sets that aren't out yet, that'd be fun Quote
psqidexslizer Posted January 22 Posted January 22 16 minutes ago, Lego Nostalgia said: We need more location based sets, a Gotham street with GCPD,Ace Chemicals,Wayne Tower and Iceberg Lounge would be so cool, playscale or modular But can't even get a playscale Batcave that isn't 4+, Batmobile after Batmobile, the 1989 Batwing was our first Batwing in ages lol 2012 sure seems to be the golden year for Lego Batman, Batcave,Batmobile and Two Face's truck with a Bank,Batwing and Joker helicopter, Joker's hideout, Catwoman cycle chase, where did it go wrong 2015 and 2016 gave us Red Hood,Deadshot,Deathstroke,Starfire, Beast Boy,Darkseid,Hal Jordan GL,Green Arrow,Martian Manhunter,Supergirl, wtf happened, how can sets from 9 years ago be better than the ones today,set choice and figure wise anyway I'm glad Bricklink is a thing, without it I wouldn't have been able to get old figures/sets You're better off spending 60$ for old figures than you are buying a Tumbler, Two Face was the only reason I bought it I guess I liked the Tumbler build too even though I got the 2021 version, I'm stupid I'd love to be able to see images for sets that aren't out yet, that'd be fun A playscale Ace Chemicals, in particular, seems like it’d be a no-brainer given Lego’s love for Burton’s Batman ‘89 back in 2023. Quote
Lego Nostalgia Posted January 22 Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said: A playscale Ace Chemicals, in particular, seems like it’d be a no-brainer given Lego’s love for Burton’s Batman ‘89 back in 2023. 18+ 300$ Ace Chemicals, Minifigures are Batman,Joker, Gordon (just uses the Prof X torso) Will be a Shadowbox in the shape of an A for ACE, green translucent tiles to represent acid Quote
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