LEGO Star Wars 2024 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[Flawless Cowboy]

11 minutes ago, Horation said:

 

I don't think kids mind.

My guy, even the lego circlejerk subreddit was clowning on fives, everyone thinks he sucks. The billion dollar corporation made an oopsie, it’s ok to point it out. 

As for the kids? The ones watching MandR and Lifebricks whine for a living and parroting their talking points? Who do you think is making a ruckus on social media and Reddit about helmet holes? Adults in their thirties? 

Edited January 28, 2024 by Flawless Cowboy

[Mandalorianknight]

It was pointed out to me that this sort of thing is sort of missing the forest for the trees- when you're arguing against "Fives is literally so bad I can't recognize him", you miss the legitimate points being made about quality issues. So I'm going to quickly run through a lot of the complaints/issues more generally and try to give rational thoughts in response to rational arguments 

Helmet Holes: This is the one I view most as a non-issue, and where it being a lego figure, not an action figure, comes in. Of course everything's subjective, but for a children's building toy, the ability to build different figures is more important than Black Series detailing. Having helmet holes on the heads allows for accessories to be attached, and having them on all clones not only increases consistency, but allows kids to make custom clones much more easily. This one feels like one where at the end of the day, it's a building toy, and customizability is going to come first. Again, dislike what you want, but if the helmet holes are your dealbreaker, action figures might be a better choice for you to collect.

Kamas: Countering that is the one I view as most reasonable in regards to the clones. A relatively small number of characters have kamas in-universe, so taking the bit of extra budget to dual-mold the legs or do side leg printing seems reasonable, especially when considering it's half the character's legs, not just a bit of detail. It's not a dealbreaker for me- I have a number of the 501st officer, and I'll get Fives and Rex when their sets release this year, but it is one where I really understand the argument. This is one I'd sign a petition about - granted it wasn't phrased as a demand like a lot of this stuff.

2014 style vs 2020 style: this one's subjective. I prefer the 2020 style, because I prefer the clone wars cartoon to the actual prequel films, so I like my clones to be like they are- the clone wars stylization only annoys me with faces, not helmets. That said, there's nothing wrong with preferring the 2014 style, which is a lot more accurate to ROTS. It's all down to preference. What I will say is at this point it's pretty clear the 2020 style is what they're going with, so while there's nothing wrong with "I still prefer how they looked in 2014", it is something you just have to take at this point, as it's not really a quality issue and more of a stylistic choice. 

Lack of print by fin: While I still don't like that people sort of latched onto this for fives when it's been happening since the new mold, this is something they have been able to do in the past. While the majority of figures even with the older P2 mold have this issue, there are a few exceptions like that Kashyyyk trooper they used so frequently. P1 clone pilots and the old, hole-for-visor clone helmet also are able to print right up to the fin. So overall, I agree, yeah, this is something they should be working on fixing. 

43 minutes ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

As for the kids? The ones watching MandR and Lifebricks whine for a living and parroting their talking points? Who do you think is making a ruckus on social media and Reddit about helmet holes? Adults in their thirties? 

This is the last response I'm going to make about this, but I highly doubt the most of the people making these comments are children in terms of lego's posted age range on these sets. "kids" when compared to middle-aged men, sure, but if you look at the accounts of most of these people, they're in their late teens/early 20s. Very, very few children aged 6-12 have reddit accounts.

Edited January 28, 2024 by Mandalorianknight

[PsychoBuilder]

44 minutes ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

My guy, even the lego circlejerk subreddit was clowning on fives, everyone thinks he sucks. The billion dollar corporation made an oopsie, it’s ok to point it out. 

I've only seen two or three comments actually hating on Fives, seems like most of the people over there seem moderately happy. You got any links? I'm willing to bet I may be wrong.

[Flawless Cowboy]

47 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Very, very few children aged 6-12 have reddit accounts.

No, but many children and teens 12-18, the prime demographic of kids’ sets, do. 
 

46 minutes ago, Brickroll said:

I've only seen two or three comments actually hating on Fives, seems like most of the people over there seem moderately happy. You got any links? I'm willing to bet I may be wrong.

Sure, I don’t know if I’m allowed to post links, but there’s a sarcastic one titled “why are people mad about fives” and another one titled “but he will manage to buy hundreds of it” both with several hundred upvotes and comments criticizing the figure you can easily find

Edited January 28, 2024 by Flawless Cowboy

[Horation]

[Redacted-disrespect of pointers]

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[Legofan2001]

Crazy out there prediction but what if the unknown figure in the Jedi Bob Starfighter is Dexter Jettster? Dex is one of the most requested characters currently and barring Lego making his diner he’ll just never exist. But in a set made for hardcore fans and considering the fact that Jedi Bob is technically an Episode 2 figure he would make sense as a second throw in figure. (I just can’t see this second figure being an Astromech)

[Flawless Cowboy]

14 minutes ago, Horation said:

You are allowed to post links to pretty much anything, but it is a circlejerk forum, meant to be used to criticise things, and a few hundred upvotes seems inconclusive, I'd wait for brickset user ratings before saying it is unpopular, and AGAIN, reddit isn't real life, and kids don't care (most reddit users are over 18

That subreddit is a fringe group made in response to unwarranted criticism of lego and blind consumerism. They’re the most likely to be defensive of Lego which makes them an excellent litmus test. Different hobbies attract different age groups, and Lego definitely skews younger (and by extension individual social media communities will be younger as well). Overall Reddit user age doesn’t help your argument (would one expect r/teens to have the same average user age as r/retirement?)

Perhaps you’re biased by your own generation, but kids and young teens today comprise an absolutely massive social media presence, especially in gaming communities. And they most definitely are hooked on the bad habits and opinions of content creators like MandR, as Jang said, “rich adults showing off thousands of the same figure to adoring kids online”.

Above all, “kids won’t care” is an awful hand-wave of an excuse for poor quality and poor execution of a product, and does not address the core issues. Kids also don’t care about prices as long as they get their toys, this is an inherently flawed way of looking at things. 

 

 

 

[Minishark2000]

2 hours ago, Legofan2001 said:

Crazy out there prediction but what if the unknown figure in the Jedi Bob Starfighter is Dexter Jettster? Dex is one of the most requested characters currently and barring Lego making his diner he’ll just never exist. But in a set made for hardcore fans and considering the fact that Jedi Bob is technically an Episode 2 figure he would make sense as a second throw in figure. (I just can’t see this second figure being an Astromech)

Why don't you see it being an astromech? As in do you think the leakers are meaning a proper normal fig when they say 2 minifigures? I did toy around with the idea that the 2nd fig would be fun if it were a flesh coloured/modernized version of jedi bob, considering we know that one of the figs is a yellow skinned bob

[Llewop]

If people hate helmet holes and all these new clones why do people still buy the sets that’s what I don’t get. All Lego see is money from the sales. If you lot who hates these new clones actually genuinely hated them you wouldn’t buy the sets. Yet every store is sold out of all of them. 
 

you were all moaning about the gunship and the commander figure but you all probably still bought the set. Why? If the figure annoys you so much don’t buy it and Lego might if they see sales drop enough reevaluate p2 helmets. 
 

honestly there is no difference at the end of the day there are just a TOY a representation (doesn’t mean it has to be 100% accurate) of a figure from a show. 

[AD_Bricks]

16 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Every single print is new and exclusive, including the faceprint, he has a new cloth pauldron, a backpack, and twin blasters. What more can you ask for?  

Light bley legs, because not only are the top halves of his legs covered by his grey kama, but the bottom halves have grey armour. His toes are printed white on the actual figure because his toes are the only white part of his lower leg armour, but the entire rest of the armour down there is grey, so the legs would have been amazing if they had only been grey, but alas, I am disappointed with that one aspect of the figure. The legs, when compared to reference material, just look bad.

 

Otherwise, I am very happy with the figure.

Edited January 29, 2024 by AD_Bricks

[BrickBob Studpants]

I’m not saying people aren’t allowed to criticise things, but some of the complaints come across as very entitled. Between Cody, Rex, Fox, Fives, and so many clone variants, y’all got what you asked for and then some, and yet I hear nothing but complaints

Maybe they should start catering to people who actually appreciate what they’re doing. Saw Gerrera, Galen Erso, Dryden Voss, Babu Frik, and TROS Senate, pretty please?

[Llewop]

4 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I’m not saying people aren’t allowed to criticise things, but some of the complaints come across as very entitled. Between Cody, Rex, Fox, Fives, and so many clone variants, y’all got what you asked for and then some, and yet I hear nothing but complaints

Maybe they should start catering to people who actually appreciate what they’re doing. Saw Gerrera, Galen Erso, Dryden Voss, Babu Frik, and TROS Senate, pretty please?

In 10 years time this will be viewed as the golden age for P2 clones. We’ve lost angry clone head, 501st battle pack (as requested), P2 Cody, as requested, shock troopers, plain troopers even Ahsokas clones. Even the random purple clones. Rex, bad batch as well. I imagine over the next 2-3 years we’ll probably get more from different units maybe even more named clones. 
 

LEGO has never done perfect accurate figures if that’s what people want then good luck. It’s the sets/vehicles that Lego does with mostly decent accuracy which is what people should have legitimate complaints with the figures are always a bonus 

[Legofan2001]

1 hour ago, Llewop said:

In 10 years time this will be viewed as the golden age for P2 clones. We’ve lost angry clone head, 501st battle pack (as requested), P2 Cody, as requested, shock troopers, plain troopers even Ahsokas clones. Even the random purple clones. Rex, bad batch as well. I imagine over the next 2-3 years we’ll probably get more from different units maybe even more named clones. 
 

LEGO has never done perfect accurate figures if that’s what people want then good luck. It’s the sets/vehicles that Lego does with mostly decent accuracy which is what people should have legitimate complaints with the figures are always a bonus 

Here’s the issue with the “Lego has never done accurate figures” the 2020 Airborne Trooper was PERFECT going back to 2014 the 212th Troopers had a perfect helmet print same with all the clones of that era.

9 hours ago, Minishark2000 said:

Why don't you see it being an astromech? As in do you think the leakers are meaning a proper normal fig when they say 2 minifigures? I did toy around with the idea that the 2nd fig would be fun if it were a flesh coloured/modernized version of jedi bob, considering we know that one of the figs is a yellow skinned bob

Why would it be an unknown figure if it’s just an Astromech?

[Horation]

[Redacted-disrespect of pointers]

 

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[Flawless Cowboy]

49 minutes ago, Horation said:

They are a fringe group, this is by your own admission, and while we only have sitewide demographics, this is not the place where you would expect to see young kids, you are much more likely to be teens and adults (15-29 years), who again, aren't the main group of buyers. In other words, it is too small to matter,

You’re losing the plot. You wanted proof that more than “a few comments” were disappointed with Fives, I gave you proof with hundreds of upvotes. This is unrelated to the discussion on Lego and age.

 

“Above all, kids won't care is an accurate observation of the calculations business types tend to make. Kids DO care about prices, because when they are too high, they can't get them.”

Right, so again, disregarding the entire point about how the opinions of kids alone shouldn’t dictate Lego’s decisions, especially when it’s clear that most of these anniversary figures are targeting adults (not to mention it’s adults who are buying toys for their kids). The overwhelming majority of people who know Darth Malak are adults who played KOTOR, a game kids are not playing today. Hell, hardly anyone is playing it today, it’s too janky by modern standards. 

Why should Lego even remotely try to do things like arm printing? Why go the extra mile to include cloth pieces? After all, kids won’t care. It seems Lego is doing something very stupid, in your estimation. I’m sure kids wouldn’t care too much if Fives was missing leg printing (ten years ago, clones didn’t even have leg printing and kids still loved them), so why bother? Lego could easily cut corners in so many areas if all they needed was the approval of six year olds. This is your logic.

 

Edited January 29, 2024 by Flawless Cowboy

[Mandalorianknight]

6 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I’m not saying people aren’t allowed to criticise things, but some of the complaints come across as very entitled. Between Cody, Rex, Fox, Fives, and so many clone variants, y’all got what you asked for and then some, and yet I hear nothing but complaints

Maybe they should start catering to people who actually appreciate what they’re doing. Saw Gerrera, Galen Erso, Dryden Voss, Babu Frik, and TROS Senate, pretty please?

I agree with the general points, but again, we wrap back around to kids. Kids assumably prefer helmet holes for the customizability, and aren't upset (or more likely than not, don't notice) by tiny helmet detail differences or issues, but at the same time, if you give a kid an option between a clone commander and one of the figs you mentioned, nine times out of ten they'll pick the clone trooper because they think it looks cooler.

1 hour ago, Legofan2001 said:

Why would it be an unknown figure if it’s just an Astromech?

Assumably because the figure is unknown, so they can't tell whether or not it's an astromech. It doesn't necessarily mean "we have seen the figure and can't tell who it is" in which case we'd assumably get some attempt at a physical description like with the blue armored gungan in the falcon. It more likely than not meant that they didn't know who the other figure was. Though I agree with you that it seems unlikely to be an astromech anyway- Jedi bob probably won't be the anniversary figure in his own set, so assuming there IS an anniversary fig in the set, we would be getting another minifigure. (Unless they did, like, T3-M4, but I can't see that happening.)

[ArrowBricks]

14 hours ago, Legofan2001 said:

Crazy out there prediction but what if the unknown figure in the Jedi Bob Starfighter is Dexter Jettster? Dex is one of the most requested characters currently and barring Lego making his diner he’ll just never exist. But in a set made for hardcore fans and considering the fact that Jedi Bob is technically an Episode 2 figure he would make sense as a second throw in figure. (I just can’t see this second figure being an Astromech)

Nice idea, but I genuinely think there’s more chance of a set depicting Anakin slaughtering younglings. 

People make good points about the clone issues. 

I think it’s quite simple. Fives has problems because all Clone Troopers in the modern day have issues. To expect an amazing Fives is almost insanity considering ‘easier’ Clone Troopers (in theory) have their issues. 

Lego committed to helmet holes and unfortunately, I think, it weakens the Clone Trooper. What’s worse, though, is the printing issues most of them have.

Never in a million years should Lego have gotten away with Commander Fox; the debacle is quite frankly shameful. What’s worse is that it followed the 212th controversy and that leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

3 hours ago, Llewop said:

In 10 years time this will be viewed as the golden age for P2 clones. We’ve lost angry clone head, 501st battle pack (as requested), P2 Cody, as requested, shock troopers, plain troopers even Ahsokas clones. Even the random purple clones. Rex, bad batch as well. I imagine over the next 2-3 years we’ll probably get more from different units maybe even more named clones. 

It’s certainly welcome, but there will be a fair few people who will think ‘what if’ rather than a golden age. Equally, many will view it as a golden age. 

For me, it cannot be a golden age because the sets are inferior in every single way to the ones from 2010+. I really really really wish it wasn’t the case. 

Edited January 29, 2024 by ArrowBricks

[Legofan2001]

19 minutes ago, ArrowBricks said:

Nice idea, but I genuinely think there’s more chance of a set depicting Anakin slaughtering younglings. 

People make good points about the clone issues. 

I think it’s quite simple. Fives has problems because all Clone Troopers in the modern day have issues. To expect an amazing Fives is almost insanity considering ‘easier’ Clone Troopers (in theory) have their issues. 

Lego committed to helmet holes and unfortunately, I think, it weakens the Clone Trooper. What’s worse, though, is the printing issues most of them have.

Never in a million years should Lego have gotten away with Commander Fox; the debacle is quite frankly shameful. What’s worse is that it followed the 212th controversy and that leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

It’s certainly welcome, but there will be a fair few people who will think ‘what if’ rather than a golden age. Equally, many will view it as a golden age. 

For me, it cannot be a golden age because the sets are inferior in every single way to the ones from 2010+. I really really really wish it wasn’t the case. 

Commander Fox might be the worst LSW Minifigure of the past 10 years. There is ZERO excuse for the torso inaccuracies or terrible helmet print or the fact his torso is pink. 

[Horation]

[Redacted-disrespect of pointers]

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[Llewop]

I feel like we are at a point where maybe we need to stop arguing and move on from this point? 
 

when will we see the midi scale ships can’t be too long now?

[CloneCommando99]

I honestly think that Fives looks good. Sure, the helmet print isn’t as accurate as it could be but it looks recognisable enough and it isn’t the end of the world since he comes as an extra to a great set.

I do hope they do better and go above and beyond with Cal Kestis in the summer though. (arm printing and printed poncho)

[Flawless Cowboy]

1 hour ago, Horation said:

YOU are the one losing the plot, I asked for proof that a large portion of the community cared, you only showed that a small fringe community cares

The fringe community of fanatics in favor of Lego. The main subreddit is even more critical of Fives, would you like to see even more hate from the bigger, more jaded community? You said you only witnessed a few comments here and there which is extremely dubious.
 

“you have not shown ANY evidence that the majority of sales are made to adults, so you know...”

Kids don’t spend their own money. Parents buy Lego sets for them. Is this really even a point? Kids ask their parents to buy them sets, and parents buy sets for their children without being asked. Kids aren’t watching Raiders of the Lost Ark, nostalgic parents see a kid’s set from that movie on the shelf, they get warm feelings from their youth, and they buy a toy for little Timmy to play with. 
 

I agree Malak is very well done, that’s my whole point, they went above and beyond when, to kids, much less detail and effort would have sufficed. Lego sets these benchmarks of quality, and when they don’t meet them, fans rightfully get upset. 
 

“why put effort into making them perfectly accurate, when kids won't even be able to appreciate these small and expensive extras and the only people who will be able to appreciate will find something else to complain about anyways”

The whole debacle with Fives is that his problems aren’t “minor”, they’re laughable wrong. And as I’ve illustrated, this isn’t an opinion in the minority. There’s a reason Fives’ “eyebrows” became a meme in the community. If you “haven’t seen” the backlash, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, it means you haven’t looked. 

Edited January 29, 2024 by Flawless Cowboy

[ArrowBricks]

Guys I’m no mod, but you know what’s coming. 

You will spoil it for the rest of us when this thread gets locked and the rest of the March wave leaks. When that happens, imma fall off a balcony again and meet my death. 

I love the passion but we’ve got to find better ways at reading differing opinions. If you can’t, take it to the private messages and shout until your hearts content at one another. 

Edited January 29, 2024 by ArrowBricks

[Llewop]

12 minutes ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

 

The whole debacle with Fives is that his problems aren’t “minor”, they’re laughable wrong. And as I’ve illustrated, this isn’t an opinion in the minority. There’s a reason Fives’ “eyebrows” became a meme in the community. If you “haven’t seen” the backlash, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, it means you haven’t looked. 

Thing is everyone is right but also everyone is wrong. I have never watched the clone wars don’t even know who this guy is I’ve seen the leaks, and the figure looks good to me (a casual fan). It’s also fair to be disappointed if you are more hardcore and into it but what everyone is forgetting and myself included is that it is impossible to know well and truly outside of our subreddits, Twitter pages, eurobricks forums how many like or don’t like these clones and what ever inaccuracies are perceived. I know one fact is that there are more people who don’t care that do. 

5 minutes ago, ArrowBricks said:

Guys I’m no mod, but you know what’s coming. 

You will spoil it for the rest of us when this thread gets locked and the rest of the March wave leaks. When that happens, imma fall off a balcony again and meet my death. 

I love the passion but we’ve got to find better ways at reading differing opinions. If you can’t, take it to the private messages and shout until your hearts content at one another. 

Said it better than when i tried to lol. I swear at this point it’s just the midi scale ships and the icons medeval village left to be revealed for march

[icm]

19 minutes ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

Kids don’t spend their own money. Parents buy Lego sets for them. Is this really even a point? Kids ask their parents to buy them sets, and parents buy sets for their children without being asked.

Some kids get allowances.

Some kids get paid for chores.

Some kids mow their neighbor's lawns.

Those kids spend their own money when they buy Lego sets.