Marvel Superheroes 2022 - Rumors & Discussion

[Mattallica]

12 minutes ago, Scarilian said:

.... I am a little concerned because Promobricks description of the Hulkbuster from November was that it only had a singular figure. Most the details of that are now applied to the Black Panther Bust, but that set has no figures at all....

just goes to show we cant trust any info from leakers no matter how good their reputation is.

[Caps Beard]

Interestingly there is an account on IG that called this over 2 weeks ago. Set description, that it would be 76215 and that Hulkbuster would still be coming this year.

[Falconfan1414]

So this is interesting. According to the initial press kit, this set was supposed to be $250 (possibly a typo) and release in November

Edited September 7, 2022 by Falconfan1414

[spiderfan2000]

As I'm not interested in the Black Panther bust or a $500 Hulkbuster, it looks like the Sanctum Sanctorum is the only Marvel D2C I have to worry about saving up for.

[LegendaryArticuno]

So it looks like the leakers dont have a clue, and were just trying to drive clicks. NWH sets are back on the menu LOL

[Mattallica]

just trying to do the math on this panther bust

the head is roughly equal to (the more expensive than others) head of Venom which is $70

hands are not as big/detailed as the nano gauntlet and thats $70 (x2)

so the chest or what there is of it costs $140?

WTF Lego?

[THELEGOBATMAN]

I've never been more confused by a set situation.

What happened to the Hulkbuster? Is it still coming? Is it the 500€ D2C after all? Are we getting another Black Panther D2C, this time for 500€? 

No one seems to have any answers, just guessing.

[Frizzlefry25]

12 minutes ago, Mattallica said:

just trying to do the math on this panther bust

the head is roughly equal to (the more expensive than others) head of Venom which is $70

hands are not as big/detailed as the nano gauntlet and thats $70 (x2)

so the chest or what there is of it costs $140?

WTF Lego?

Yeah, these prices are starting to get out of control. I only have a couple helmets, as I just can't afford to start another line, but if I was into all of these, this feels like a $225-$250 max. $350 is ridiculous as is some of the other larger sets that got increases. Sets I bought previously, but would definitely not buy now at there current prices. Worse, sets I haven't got, I will never buy. Even if it goes on sale, Im not going to pay a sale price, that should have been the everyday price.

[mrcngrck]

i feel like lego i so confused recently. weird big expensive but moderately good set for adults and lack of good sets for the kids. mechs, vehicles, busts, helmets, action figures... where are the playsets, creative toys? tough time to be lego superheroes fan. I think lego is trying to imitate other collectible items instead of doing lego

Edited September 7, 2022 by mrcngrck

[Walter529a]

15 minutes ago, mrcngrck said:

i feel like lego i so confused recently. weird big expensive but moderately good set for adults and lack of good sets for the kids. mechs, vehicles, busts, helmets, action figures... where are the playsets, creative toys? tough time to be lego superheroes fan. I think lego is trying to imitate other collectible items instead of doing lego

Agreed, their overall goal seems to be for their sets to be aimed at their specific demographic instead of a broader approach, like sets with complex or interesting dioramas o settings in the "kids" line, I guess its more profitable this way?

[Hoth Rebel]

 

Although I do find it too expensive and don’t see it selling well, the difference between a helmet and the bust (which doesn’t include the hands in the picture above) is pretty significant. 

[Falconfan1414]

Mark Stafford, designer of the set, is responding to comments on this Reddit threat answering some questions about this set 

 

 

[Mattallica]

if that size comparison is accurate then i guess so but still not worth $350

[PGBQW]

I know I'm repeating myself, but still.

It's not that I think this is a bad set, it's just that it's mind blowing how weird of a decision this is.

Like sure, Black Panther was a box office hit and everything, but this is the kind of thing Lego usually does for Spider-Man.

 

How come Black Panther 2 got more sets than NWH? (I know it wasn't a case of "one thing or the other", my point is that this is all very surreal)

[RichardGoring]

33 minutes ago, Falconfan1414 said:

Mark Stafford, designer of the set, is responding to comments on this Reddit threat answering some questions about this set 

 

 

That's a pretty brutal thread for the designer to be on. Eesh!

[Yochip]

38 minutes ago, PGBQW said:

How come Black Panther 2 got more sets than NWH? (I know it wasn't a case of "one thing or the other", my point is that this is all very surreal)

I’m sure lego would have made more NWH sets if they could. It’s worth noting that no company (hasbro, funko, etc) have released any spoiler toys for NWH, and Lego tends to have a longer production time. So if we are getting more NWH sets, we wouldn’t necessarily know yet.

[Lyichir]

1 hour ago, RichardGoring said:

That's a pretty brutal thread for the designer to be on. Eesh!

You can say that again. I think we're very lucky to get the amount of designer interaction we do, considering how little respect many AFOLs seem to show for the actual hard-working people behind the products. And that gets worse with large expensive sets.

I've noticed that people will shower huge, expensive MOCs with praise but once they're confronted with the price it might cost to own something a fraction of the size and price, they quickly seem to become embittered.

[squiz18]

1 hour ago, Falconfan1414 said:

Mark Stafford, designer of the set, is responding to comments on this Reddit threat answering some questions about this set 

 

 

Thanks for sharing them on instagram. They are interesting to read, especially the bricklink designer post. 

 

[TandNbricks]

8 hours ago, Mattallica said:

so much for all the "Leakers" info of it being a vehicle 

whelp thats $350 i wont be spending on lego and if the hulkbuster ends up being $500 i wont buy that either, my wallet screams in joy

We will see. If anything, today proves to expect the unexpected 

[Mattallica]

51 minutes ago, TandNbricks said:

We will see. If anything, today proves to expect the unexpected 

So you are saying there is still going to be a $500 black panther vehicle,  thats quite a statement

[eric_son_of_joseph]

The new Black Panther set is pretty badass.  It's definitely the last thing I would have expected to see, but I welcome the surprise.  As they say, variety is the spice of life.

[RichardGoring]

3 hours ago, Lyichir said:

You can say that again. I think we're very lucky to get the amount of designer interaction we do, considering how little respect many AFOLs seem to show for the actual hard-working people behind the products. And that gets worse with large expensive sets.

I've noticed that people will shower huge, expensive MOCs with praise but once they're confronted with the price it might cost to own something a fraction of the size and price, they quickly seem to become embittered.

On the other hand, it's a useful feedback mechanism to see what people like and what they respond to. But I suspect most don't appreciate all the pressures and responsibilities and restrictions that the designers are under. Hope it's not taken personally.

[The Stud]

7 hours ago, LegendaryArticuno said:

So it looks like the leakers dont have a clue, and were just trying to drive clicks. NWH sets are back on the menu LOL

They were never on the menu for this year. Lego has this kind of stuff designed year(s) out and none of the toy companies were able to get started on more spoilery No Way Home merch until after the film came out. Funko has only just started to reveal some of their POPs and Hasbro’s Tobey/Andrew/Tom action figure pack won’t come out until August 2023, which is probably about the earliest we cane expect Lego to do more NWH sets at this point.

That being said, I’ve got the feeling that a lot of the leakers are almost as much in the dark as we are when it comes to these Marvel D2C leaks. And I think that’s partially because a lot of these have been shifted around so much with film delays and COVID. I think the Sanctum has been designed for a while and the designer said that work on this set started during the pandemic. The Hulkbuster rumors have been swirling for over a year at this point. That’s probably caused a lot of confusion.

12 hours ago, Whovastron said:

Oh my that is…something.

look, this may be a morbid take on it, but this, Hasbro’s ‘Legacy’ line, and Hot toys redoing Black Panther figures does kinda feel like profiteering off of his death to me. Like yeah it is honouring his impact, but at the same time, these are all big companies looking to make money…

I dunno, weird move in my opinion

Ngl, that thought’s crossed my mind too. However, I might be playing devil’s advocate here, but I honestly think it’s a similar situation to NWH last year where they’re doing new toys based off the previous film to have new products out without spoiling plot points for the upcoming film. They’re clearly wanting to keep the identity of the new Black Panther a secret and they have to get new Black Panther toys out somehow. Black Panther’s also just a very iconic Marvel character now, and companies are going to want to keep making merchandise for the character even though the actor tragically passed away.

Still, it’d make me feel a little better if they announced a portion of their profits from these new Black Panther toys are going to help treat cancer patients or something philanthropic like that. That would at least make the price of this Lego set far more reasonable imo.

 

Speaking of this Lego set, I’ve got some thoughts. The set itself looks okay. No disrespect to the designer or anything (I’m sure they’re already dealing with a lot of negative comments that go past constructive criticism), but I don’t think it looks super impressive or innovative or anything. It’s another one of these 18+ sets where I question if it really needs to exist as a Lego set. I know they probably sell, but I feel that Lego is overflooding the market with 18+ sets in general, let alone these big, buildable and, in my opinion, boring objects or busts. I just did a quick Google search earlier and there’s a Black Panther bust on Amazon for $90 that’s doing the same pose and it looks a lot better in my opinion. Granted, it was probably a lot smaller and doesn’t have the novelty of being Lego, but you get my point.

I just do not see where the $350 is in this set. I’m biased, as the set doesn’t interest me to begin with, but I could maybe see myself paying $209 max with the size and piece count here. With so many awesome sets at the $300-350 mark right now (like the Daily Bugle, Cantina or soon-to-be-retired Disney Castle), I just don’t see why anyone would choose this set over those ones, unless they’re just a super big Black Panther fan I guess. At risk of sounding like an armchair sales analyst, I simply do not think this set is going to sell well. Like at all. It’s just super niche and expensive. Most of the comments I’ve read here and on social media are either just negative or something along the lines of “it looks cool but it’s way too overpriced to even consider”. Brickset’s poll had like 80-90% of people saying no to getting this set last time I checked. Even the casual adult fans will probably scratch their heads and wonder why Lego didn’t just do a helmet like the Iron Man or Venom ones?

Trying to restrain myself from going on a rant, but this is something I’ve had on my chest for a while. I’m sure I’m not along in feeling like Lego has been quickly losing a lot of their wholesomeness and charm the last few years. Sure, it’s always been an expensive toy and they’ve always made cash grab moves, but recently, those precedents have been far more frequent and things have just felt… different. A lot of the company’s recent moves have just felt like very cynical and corporate-style moves. Now more than ever. Some examples I can personally think of are: over-catering to the casual crowd with their bland 18+ sets, several egregiously overpriced sets across the board, the recent price increases, the Vidiyo debacle, relying too much on licenses (and this is coming from someone who has primarily liked collecting licensed themes in recent years), the upcoming change to boxes for CMFs, the way they treated Kevin Hinkle, etc. Don’t get me wrong, there’s still been a ton of fantastic sets, but they’ve just been releasing way too much way too fast. And I feel like sets like this one are examples of the general ideas that I’m talking about. It’s yet another one of these “18+” sets (that don’t really feel like Lego sets to me) that aren’t really targeted at us but the new casual adult crowd. I guess I can’t completely fault Lego for going after the $, but it still just kinda sucks, you know?

Edited September 8, 2022 by The Stud

[Toa Palpo]

The Black Panther set is pretty cool and very well done but how many people do they really expect to spend $350 on it!? It's definitely overpriced for one thing but it's also such a niche item. The smaller helmet busts are one thing, they're smaller and more affordable even if they are overpriced as well but this is on a whole other level. I just don't see it selling that well especially when it is in direct competition with the likes of the UCS Republic Gunship at that price point.

Edited September 8, 2022 by ToaDraco

[THELEGOBATMAN]

Alright, I genuinely refuse to believe a Hulkbuster D2C exists now.

The rumour came from Promobricks, nearly a year ago. The set numbers and piece count assigned to it turned out to be for another set, while a normal Hulkbuster set is coming in January.

I'm so intrigued by the 500€ D2C too, because whatever they choose, it will be another huge disappointed. Another Black Panther D2C? Bruh. A 500€ Hulkbuster? Please no.