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I really didn't think we needed another 1989 Batwing since I thought the one from the 2019 Riddler set looked pretty much perfect. After seeing this new one though, boy was I wrong. The new version blows the 2019 one out of the water, especially in terms of the shaping with the curves. It literally looks like a shrunken version of the UCS set, it even has the same feature where you can hang it on a wall. I think the designers did a better job with this one than the Batmobile, but those stud launchers are definitely getting replaced with more accurate looking rockets. I'm curious to see if someone is going to end up modifying this into the new Batwing design from The Flash since that one shares a lot of its DNA with the original '89 design, just with longer wings in the front. That would make me want to buy two copies of this set for sure. The '89 Batman is the same as the one from the Batmobile, so no new thoughts there (though Lego is definitely using the new cowl to their advantage by using the Kaz/Shang-Chi head underneath it, which was also used for the 2019 Bruce Wayne figure from the Batcave so I guess there's one bit of accidental continuity). The Joker figure got the purple fedora in this set as we all expected, even though this would've been the perfect chance to use the new Indiana Jones hair/hat combo in a new color. But I really want to know how Lego managed to ignore the most iconic part of this scene and NOT give Joker his giant pistol. The one time that Lego could've given Joker a comically oversized gun that was actually from the movie...and they leave it out. It's super easy to make a custom one, but it still doesn't change the fact that the setup was right there and they didn't go for it.

Just seeing new minifigures from the Raimi movies after nearly 20 years is like a dream come true. Growing up as a kid in the 2000s, the dark blue Spider-Man 2 figure was the only Spider-Man minifigure I used to constantly see in stopmotion videos on Youtube, so finally getting an updated version instantly makes this a day 1 buy, no matter what the price is. I can't wait to see the alternate Tobey Maguire Peter Parker head. Doc Ock is a little odd looking since he definitely wears a dark green coat in the movie, so I don't know why Lego went with dark grey. I love how he still has the exact same arm build from the 2004 sets just to keep that little bit of continuity. The new Green Goblin on the other hand...is a letdown. The original figure from the Spider-Man 1 sets had leg printing, how does a figure from 20 years later not have any at all?! I wish they included his helmet as well, but that mould was no doubt destroyed years ago, it makes me glad I have some of the original 2002/3 sets. At least we finally have a flesh tone Willem Dafoe Norman Osborn head so it's not a complete loss. The MCU figures mean nothing to me, I would've easily sacrificed Ned/MJ to get a TASM Lizard and a regular Flint Marko figure from Spider-Man 3 seeing as how we never got sets from that movie. And the cherry on top of all this is the Garfield Spider-Man figure that won't cost an arm and a leg to get anymore.

After over a year since this set name was first leaked (back when it was still a Flash set), we finally got pictures of it...and I'm honestly shocked at how it's 90% similar to the Batcave version. I really thought Lego would make an inferior design here that would entice people to buy the Batcave for it, but aside from some changes like the side exhausts, the fins not being angled slightly upward, the back of this Batmobile having a trunk, and other little details like this one having hubcaps (which still don't have the bat symbols printed on it...), it's a perfect compromise that's much more affordable. Hell, this Batmobile still has the pop up machine guns feature as well, I for sure thought Lego would cheap out and slap some stud shooters on and call it a day. The gear on the side of it still looks just as ugly as it does on the Batcave Batmobile so it's going to have to go, along with the wedge plates that cover the guns for a much more smoother/studless solution. I can't wait to see the instructions for the Batcave Batmobile so that I can make some modifications to this Batmobile and get a result that's a best of both worlds combination. The biggest let down for me though is that now both these Batmobiles are one seaters. Lego has made 3 Batmobiles in the past 2 years that were two seaters, but when it comes to making a two seater '89 Batmobile, it's impossible for them. I know that if they tried to make this a two seater, it'd end up being 10 studs wide instead of 8, but I'd take that over going back to one seater Batmobiles that feel so regressive now ever since the Speed Champions line introduced the two seater chassis piece in 2020. Is Batman just going to leave Joker handcuffed on the street for the GCPD since there's clearly no room for a passenger in his car. Now as for the minifigures, it feels so good to finally get an '89 Batsuit with the logo printed on the torso this time. The new cowl is still getting replaced by a Type 2 cowl, but it's nice to get it in a cheaper set as well. I really wish I knew what that grapnel gun with the gold hook thing is supposed to be. At first glance, I think it's Lego's attempt at making the line launcher gadget that Batman used in the museum scene when he rescued Vicki. For Joker, the head definitely looks a lot more cartoony compared to the 2019 version that was much more closer to Nicholson's likeness, but that should be an easy fix if you have that figure already. Getting that hairpiece in a regular green after so many years (and after getting it in a lime green for TDKR Joker from the DC CMF series) is the highlight for me. Making a proper looking Arkham games Joker can finally happen now. The price is definitely the worst part about this set. 45 Euros to Canadian is 65 dollars, which I really hope isn't the case because that's absolutely insane. I'd settle for 55 Canadian before paying 65 for this. But either way, I'm going to have to make some space next to my modified GWP '89 Batmobile because this set is joining my Batmobile collection one way or another. Now I just need to see pics of the Batwing set and hope that the figures in that aren't straight up repeats of this set.

Now that we finally have HD pics from a proper reveal, it looks like the 2006 Batcave is keeping the crown after all. While I'm mixed on the set, I'm still going to plan on getting it...just when it's on sale for a good price because 520 Canadian for this is borderline robbery. It feels like we've been cheated out of a proper Batcave since a good chunk of the piece count goes toward the symbol outline, while the actual Batcave itself is just the Batcomputer, a gadget wall (which I don't even think there WAS one in the Burton movies), the suit vault, and a spot for the Batmobile with a tool rack. This set doesn't even feel like it's strictly supposed to be the Batcave from Batman Returns since that's clearly the Batcomputer from the 1989 movie, so it's more of an amalgamation of the two designs (I don't mind though since I always preferred the Batcomputer from the '89 movie more than the one from Returns anyways). Some of the aspects of this set give me huge nostalgia flashbacks to the '06 Batcave as well, particularly the guard rails, the ladder stair pieces, and especially the suit vault. I'm a little let down that it doesn't let you store multiple Batsuits, but at least it lights up...yay? The updated Batmobile is the highlight for me. I'm surprised that they included it in this set instead of splitting it up with the one coming in August and making people buy both while using another vehicle here like the Batskiboat. This one is missing the hubcaps with the bat symbols printed on it, so there's one thing the August set could include to differentiate the two. While the base of it is pretty much the same from the GWP version, the side details, canopy, and fins got a big upgrade. The sides look way more intricate instead of sticking a barrel piece on the side and calling it a day, the canopy has a lot more curves to it (though this one STILL looks like a one seater, come on Lego, are you really not going to use that Speed Champions chassis piece for this?). The brick built fins are a BIG step up from those terrible one piece bat fins from last time, though it irks me that they stuck a 1x1 plate on the end instead of a 1x1 tile to make it completely smooth, it's an easy fix though. The pop up machine guns being included as a feature are a huge plus, already better than the McFarlane version. Seeing this makes me want to see the August set even more because I really wonder if Lego is going to take this exact same design and repackage it as a separate, cheaper set so that they can make even more money. Good luck trying to find a spot for the Batwing to fit in this, maybe along the top. The minifigures are a mixed bag for me. There was no need to include Max Shreck in this, it's even worse that nothing about him is exclusive and the face they used for him makes it look like Christopher Walken now instead of from 30 years ago where he did not look that old. Catwoman using the Black Panther ear piece instead of the standard cat cowl is an interesting choice, though I guess it works since the ears on her mask are way more pointier and narrow instead of trying to look like cat ears. Penguin could've been a lot more paler, I'm almost tempted to get the Lego Batman Movie version as a substitute since that one looks way more accurate to Devito's appearance in the movie. Alfred looks perfect, and the Bruce Wayne figure looks close enough to Michael Keaton to work. The two Batman figures are hilarious to me because Lego really shot themselves in the foot when they made the Batman 1992 polybag. You could literally just get two of those and wait for the August sets with the new cowl piece and you'll have the two Batman figures from this set in your possession. All in all, this went from a Day 1 buy when it was first reported to a new game of patience in order to see how long it's going to take for this thing to drop in price.

Well color me surprised, with the low piece count I was expecting something like a 1989 Batmobile minibuild over actually getting a polybag with a highly desirable minifigure (that isn't a keychain). When the new cowl piece leaked along with the new torso that had the Batman Returns suit printing, I was so sure that Lego wasn't going to bring back the cape/cowl piece since there wasn't a need for it now, I'm glad I was wrong about that. Plus for those who own the 1989 Batsuit minifigure or the keychain version, the exclusivity factor is still there since the torso print and bat symbol are different. It looks like both the 1989 and Returns minifigures will have two variants by the end of the summer, one with the new cowl piece and separate cape so that they can fit in the Batmobile/Batwing, while the other is the one piece cape/cowl mold. I definitely have to get multiples of this polybag so that they can go in the Batcave costume vault. And it might just be nostalgia talking, but the render on the polybag brought me back to 2006 again when I first saw the Toy Fair pictures for the original Batman sets with this big poster. It almost feels like a full circle moment since the original line was heavily influenced by the Burton movies.

When we first found out that there'd be a Batman figure coming I was expecting it to be based on the comics, while a part of me was kind of hoping that it would be Battinson so that it could fit on the Technic Batcycle. But since every other Batman set coming out this summer is riding on the Keaton hype, it makes sense that it ended up being his Batman instead. Plus, the packagaing also gives us our first potential look at how the sets will be branded by using the Batman Returns logo instead of the usual comic yellow oval logo (and I suspect that the 1989 Batmobile/Batwing sets will have the gold '89 movie logo, respectively). I don't know what it is, but the figure honestly doesn't look all that bad apart from a few details, the biggest offender for me being those dark tan pieces on the belt which DO exist in Pearl Gold, so at least that'll be an easy swap. I definitely won't get this figure for full price, but when it eventually goes on sale I might pick it up.

After seeing the trailer, it sort of stings even more that Lego had more than a few set ideas right in front of them, but chose to do nothing because of Ezra. Off the top of my head, we could've gotten a Batwing set (considering how much it's been included in the marketing) with Keaton's Batman in his new suit, regular Barry, other Barry with his makeshift Batman Returns Flash suit, and Supergirl who'd be able to fly alongside the Batwing like Iron Man in the new Quinjet set. Throw in Zod with a little build that he could throw and it'd be all ready to go.

I should think about buying a lottery ticket. While it sucks that that Flash figure will basically never see the light of day now (and whoever owns that leaked torso/head should definitely hold onto it), the Batmobile was always the main selling point for me, so the set being retooled into a Batman '89 set is just a bonus. Makes me wonder how long Lego had this set planned as a substitute for 76221 since that was listed on websites like Walmart for months. And even though it's 99% likely that Lego will reuse the same Nicholson Joker for both sets, it'd be great if they had an exclusive Joker design for either of them. The Batwing set could have the outfit that he was wearing during the Gotham 200th anniversary parade with the buttoned up jacket while the Batmobile set could be based on his appearance at the Flugelheim Museum scene (that was the only time he was ever near the Batmobile in the movie anyways). Now the D2C Batcave minifigure selection is more of a letdown. Only 7 minifigures for that big of a price...wow. This was a golden opportunity to pull a D2C Sanctum Sanctorum and sneak in SOME Flash figures with the regular Flash that was going to be in the Batmobile set, Supergirl, and maybe even the second Barry with the makeshift Batman Returns Flash suit if Lego really wasn't going to make any sets for The Flash at all. Heck, I would've taken some of those alternate Batsuits as well. I just hope that the second Batman figure that's included is the Batsuit from The Flash much like how the UCS Millenium Falcon included both young and old Han Solo, because if it's the '89 suit again then that's the biggest waste of a minifigure slot I've ever seen in a set. The cave build better be the greatest looking Batcave ever, and also I'm pretty sure that Brick Clicker meant that the cave will include areas for the Batmobile/Batwing to be displayed and not that they're included at the same time that they're being sold as individual sets. Lego's not THAT dumb...right? In any case, bring on the pictures because I think we're all more than ready to see them.

If it was a set for any other DCEU movie, I'd agree. But this was pretty much going to be a Batman '89 set that featured what many consider to be THE Batmobile, as well as a second chance for a lot of people who missed out on the 2019 GWP promo set (even though you can literally buy it piece by piece on Bricklink for a fraction of the cost that scalpers online are asking for for a sealed copy, but the average consumer probably doesn't know that). There was no way that this would end up being a shelf warmer after the GWP set sold out in a matter of hours on the very first day it was featured as a promo. It would be like when the 1966 Batmobile kept going on Backorder multiple times during the first few months it was available on Shop@Home back in 2021, but even crazier. The whole thing with Ezra is the biggest and most likely reason for why Lego pulled this set even though it had already seemingly began production months ago.

It's amazing how McFarlane, Spin Master, and even Funko never pulled their merchandise for the movie, but Lego seems to be the one that always has to be different. Now that it's basically become official, I'm moving on to my first copium theory where Lego will repurpose the set into a Keaton Batman set and release it alongside the Batwing in the summer because there's ZERO chance that they'll permanently scrap releasing a 1989 Batmobile as a wide release set, especially with the D2C Burton Batcave on the way. However this time, the set definitely won't include the Flash and maybe it'll be swapped out for someone else from the Keaton movies like Nicholson's Joker again or something.

I still don't think I'd call it toast yet, but reading this part and not seeing Lego's name anywhere when they're usually one of the first toy companies that are mentioned was a bit of a gut punch.

I'm not going to lie and say that The Flash merchandise press release excluding any mentions of Lego wasn't concerning, but I'm not giving up hope till May 1st comes and goes at this point. Yes, the set should've been found in SOME shop by now if it was locked on the 1st, but we still have 13 days to go. Otherwise, I'm thinking of two scenarios when it comes to the set: 1. Like some of you already mentioned, Lego could've delayed the set and will now release it at the same time as the minifigure scale 1989 Batwing that's coming in August so that you can get two Keaton Batman sets at once (maybe even rebranding it as a Keaton Batman set that features the Flash similar to the 2014 Riddler Chase set so that the box art won't have Ezra Miller's face on it). 2. Lego decided to repurpose this set and the Batmobile is included in the Batcave instead (maybe with that leaked Flash figure thrown in as well à la the D2C Sanctum Sanctorum having characters from more than one movie in the same set). The big downside of this though is that between the insane aftermarket prices of the 2019 GWP Batmobile and this hypothetical idea, there'd be no cheap way to get a 1989 Batmobile at a much more reasonable/affordable 45 dollar price point anymore. I didn't include a third scenario/worst case scenario of the set going the way of the Temple of Doom because I hate thinking about that. I also hate that Lego might've potentially gotten cold feet about this set at the last minute, seeing as how it was originally supposed to be released last year and has been ready for over a year if that was the case.

The 2006 Batcave already felt pretty Burton-esque in its design (no surprise there considering at the time the Burton movies were the only movie related things Lego could take some inspiration from for the 2006 sets as the Nolan trilogy had only just started). Some of the areas of the '06 Batcave in particular looked like they were taken straight from Batman Returns, most notably the suit changing section that looked extremely similar to the costume vault, right down to the chains. The whole thing looked like an underground dungeon, especially with how the lower sections of the cave build used torches instead of going for a more hi-tech look like the 2012 Batcave later did with all the transparent blue 1x2 tiles to represent lights. Ever since the D2C Batcave was revealed to be the Returns Batcave, I've been expecting it to look like the 2006 Batcave on steroids and finally dethrone it as the best Batcave build. And for how much Lego is charging for it, it had better be.

I don't know if it's great or sad that we're getting HD looks at minifigures that are coming in D2C sets before a wide release retail set, but that video really sold me on the new cowl...except for the fact that I still don't think it works for Keaton's Batman at all. Put the cowl on a BTAS Batman and it's absolutely perfect, but I'm changing it out for a Type 2 cowl the moment I get my hands on it. I love the new face print though, I definitely want to get multiples of that.

I think it's a little early to get all doom and gloom about the set, especially since there's been leaks as recent as the past week of someone actually having a (mostly complete?) Flash figure with the correct head in their possession instead of just the torso piece this time. None of the Temple of Doom minifigures ever managed to slip out from a factory and into someone's hands, so the minifigure does seem to be in the production process. April just started, there's still time before the May 1st release date. Now if we get to the end of April and there's been no official images posted anywhere, then you can start worrying about it being cancelled.

Well I'll be damned, Marvel minifigures that aren't based on the MCU and are more or less based on the comics instead (Spider-Man characters excluded). I'm definitely going to have to get those X-Men '97 figures, especially since we're finally getting a new character to expand the team with Beast. Though now I'm regretting getting the Wolverine Mech since I know this new version is going to be vastly superior with the possibility of getting his blue shoulder pads along with dual molded legs for the boots and a blue hip piece instead of plain bright light orange legs.

Yeah that theme is an odd one, and that's not even including the possible rumor that they scrapped the Dial of Destiny sets. Lego waiting for the marketing to really start is probably the reason why it's been hidden for so long, I read something similar about the McFarlane figures for the movie being found at a Target but were still street dated for April.

You and me both (even though I only want it for the updated '89 Batmobile and the Keaton Batman minifigure). I know the Temple of Doom set is the most recent example of Lego having everything ready to go with finalized box art images along with listings in stores like Target and then chickening out at the eleventh hour, but the only thing that I can see causing it to get scrapped at this point is if Ezra returns to Hawaii for a New Game+ round.

Forget set descriptions, the Flash set should've been spotted in SOME stores by now if it's still on track for a May 1st release. There's been images revealed for sets that are coming out in June, and Flash merch from other companies like Funko, Spin Master, and McFarlane have been seen in stores already, but this set is somehow under lock and key even though it was first listed on a retailer website almost an entire year ago. If it wasn't for that leaked Flash minifigure torso that's been floating around since last October, I would've assumed Lego pulled a Temple of Doom and scrapped the set while throwing the Batmobile in the D2C Batcave instead.

Yeah, there's a higher chance that Lego makes a Superman set again than my idea.

I've seen some people want the Schumacher characters to be included in this, but I really don't think that's happening. I know that for years the Schumacher movies were loosely connected to the Burton movies with some references here and there (a Catwoman mention in Batman Forever and Bruce telling Dick how his parents were also killed by "a maniac"/Joker). But as of 2021, it's safe to say they've been deemed non-canon because of the Batman '89 comic series that was written by one of the original screenwriters of the 1989 movie and Batman Returns. Long story short, it took place after Returns and followed up on a bunch of concepts that Burton never got to do like Billy Dee Williams's Harvey Dent turning into Two-Face as well as introducing Burton's version of Robin played by Marlon Wayans who was a teenage mechanic in the earlier drafts of Batman Returns that were cut. I know the chances of the Batcave set designers actually reading the comic are less than 1%, but it'd be a great place to get some inspiration for potential figures to fill the set. The Batcave in the comic is pretty much 99% the same from Batman Returns too but with a couple significant additions, like the Batcycle and the GIANT PENNY: If Lego was looking to pad out the vehicle lineup in the set apart from the Batskiboat, adding in this Batcycle would be a great choice. Plus since it's canon that Keaton's Bruce had the giant penny in his Batcave now, throwing it in the set would really help make it less empty looking. And yes, if it wasn't clear enough already, this whole post was written while I was on lethal amounts of copium.

I hate being right. At least we'll get that costume vault (or maybe even the updated one from The Flash with those amazing looking alternate Batsuits).

Well we got our first details on the D2C Batcave and...it's based off of the Keaton Batcave.

That...actually sounds plausible. I completely forgot that BVS was originally supposed to come out in 2015. Maybe I'm wrong then.

You're pretty close, but the third cowl was first used for the New 52 Batman in 2015 before going to Batfleck and then becoming the default cowl used for the two Rebirth Batsuits/the 2000s Hush Batsuit from the 2021 accessory pack. And even then, Affleck's cowl was pretty much just a copy of how Jim Lee draws the cowl in the comics with the short ears, so it's more so a comic cowl rather than a specific live action cowl. I can't wait to actually get it in my hands to see which Batman it could be used for. I can already see this cowl being used for the potentially rumored BTAS set, it looks like it'll fit that version perfectly. For a figure like Battinson on the other hand, I think I'm going to have to stick with type 3 unless Lego actually develops a few brain cells and makes another new cowl piece for The Batman Part II in 2025.