Admiral Starwind

Designs or real world models?

Unfortunately the way the stern is sculpted it cant happen trust me i fought with that F***er alot

Yup thats the legnth of the Starwind except the starwind actually has 5 masts if you count the mizzen mast an the aft section but meh. BUT do to moving and other complications the Starwinds construction has been halted. Mostly due to the fact my entire lego collection is um........... >:-( LOST!!!!!!! *n*

Guns at rest: RUN OUT THE GUNS!!!!:

Yes sir.

Well carronade/cannonade Carriage you demanded and such I developed not sure if I like it but it serves its purpose. Unloaded Loaded

Many have asked how i plan to implement guns on the St Lawrence and said it would look rather odd with the size i have but i think the size is comparable to the scale and as such here is how i plan to do it and with my plan the guns will be able to be run out when needed and returned to their loading position if not needed. This is also just a crosss section of the ship and the carriages wouldn't be done in white i only did them in white to make the details stand out. Unloaded and ports closed: Loaded and ports open ready to fire: (now with using the notch hinge pieces for the ports like i've show here i can have the ports open straight out without worrying about them falling down) These are Cannonades or short guns These are the Long Guns

Yeah twould be fairly easy too ill give it some thought and see what i can crack out.

I just thought you guys might find this useful. Carronades Originally called "the smasher" this short-barrelled, short-range weapon had more explosive power and its charge could propel a heavier ball. Measuring a little over four feet, it occupied less deck space, was more mobile and could do tremendous damage to an opponent, but it was limited to close range combat. Carronades could also fire canister, small, iron balls packed in a large tin can which burst when the gun was fired spraying the balls across the enemy's deck. The carronade was intended as an auxiliary weapon not a ship's primary armament. Its use as the main weapon was a weakness of the British ships and this was revealled in combat with the Americans. Longer guns enabled the captain to damage the enemy before the carronades could be brought into use. Both types of guns were muzzle-loading with the ball being inserted into the end it came out. The gunpowder encased in a cloth or paper bag was also called a cartridge and contained the right amount of black powder for the weight the iron ball to be fired. Cannon The calibre of the cannon - 'the long gun' - was based on the weight of the shot it fired. These ranged from 4-pounders to 32-pounders. The cannon could measure ten feet in length and weigh as much as 6500 pounds. Each could require a crew of as many as 14. With a charge of black powder equal to one third the weight of the shot, the cannon depending on its elevation, could propel a 32-pounder more than 1000 yards smashing sides and scattering huge splinters that were as deadly as shot itself. The carronade weighing 2000 pounds required a crew of seven men and could fire a 32-pound canister effectively at a range of 500 yards. The rapidity of fire of a gun crew of five depended on how well they worked together. The "exercise of Scourge's guns" consisted of loosening the gun from its lashing and removing the tompion, a wooden plug from the muzzle of the gun. To load a cannon the loader pushed a flannel bag of gunpowder down its bore, followed by the shot (cannon ball) and a wad to prevent the shot from falling out. This was rammed home tightly. Next the "gun was run out," care being taken to properly arrange the ropes by which the gun was secured so as not to be foiled on the recoil. A cartridge of powder was opened and plunged down the touch-hole in the top of the cannon to prime the gun. The cannon was then pointed or aimed. The gun's captain fired it by applying a slow match to the touch-hole then leaping clear of the recoil which returned the gun to its loading position. The gun was sponged to extinguish any remains of the fire and the process quickly repeated. A 42-pound shot was the largest a man could reasonably load on board ships in action. The ammunition for all these cannons was a solid, cast iron ball of various diameters. This ball had the greatest range of any ammunition and was often heated red hot in a shot oven, an iron box on wheels burning charcoal. The heated ball set wooden ships and forts on fire. Chain and bar shot in which two balls were connected by a chain or bar were also used especially in the navy where they could tear rigging and sails.

More rigging changes as i study the model that i have i realize that the lego versions mast will be tooooo short but there is nothing i can do realistically even if i used tons of bowsprits it would look like megablocks. http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/toyotawo...ips/riggin2.jpg

Well here's the latest progress on the St Lawrence there a few bugs i have to work out but u cant seem em X-D http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/toyotawo...nce_prot2-1.jpg http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/toyotawo...nce_prot2-2.jpg http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/toyotawo...nce_prot2-3.jpg http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/toyotawo...nce_prot2-4.jpg A VERY VERY VERY rough idea of what the ship would look like rigged somewhat of course not including the side rigging. http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/toyotawo.../riggin_pic.jpg Please let me know what you think so far. *yoda*

Well folks here is the first prototype of the hull i relize i have to kick the stern back more but i think this is pretty damned good and close to historical accounts. http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/toyotawo...nce__prot_1.jpg

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interesting ship small but still interesting good show.

A challenge eh? well once im done the design of the andromeda and st lawrence i have some artistic ships in mind something no one here has thought of

I like the big one she is as big as the Starwind will be as she has 7 mid sections as well and 4 mastsso should be interesting when i get the pictures done.

yeah the cotton for smoke was rather cheesy and at times i wondered....why was it in the spot it was? Anywho a lot of love and patience went into this fort and i love it.

Which bow do you think looks better for the St. Lawrence? http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/toyotawo...ips/stlbow1.jpg or http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/toyotawo...ips/stlbow2.jpg I dont intend the point of the bow to be yellow i just ade it yellow to stand out in the pictures. Actually it will be fairly easy to build as the ship doesnt have a stern castle or an odd shaped bow the ship is actually designed like a lego hul do to the shallow water of the great lakes. I've actually had her mocc'ed up 2 times already in MLcad before i saw the model and change the design opne last time i hope.

This beautifully built canadian ship is the target of my next MOC and as such i was wondering if anyone could be of help to provide me with some images beyond the few i've dug up here: http://www.napoleon-series.org/images/mili...SStLawrence.jpg http://www.tallshipcanada.homestead.com/fi...awrence_001.jpg And for the Historical aspect: British naval commander James Yeo commissioned the ship in the Kingston Royal Naval Dockyard in Kingston, Upper Canada. Master shipbuilder John Dennis and nearly 200 shipwrights built her in under 10 months, and she launched in 1814. The St. Lawrence's 112 guns on three decks qualified her as a first rate, larger than Lord Nelson's flagship HMS Victory at the Battle of Trafalgar nine years earlier. Her displacement was 2,300 tons, and she carried a crew of 1,000. In way of armaments she carried thirty-four 32lbs carronades and two 64lbs carronades on the top deck, thirty-four 24lbs long guns on the middle deck and thirty-four 32lbs long guns on the lower deck. At the time, Lake Ontario was effectively landlocked for any but the smallest vessels, due to shallow water and rapids on the St. Lawrence River downstream and Niagara Falls upstream. As a result, warships operating on Lake Ontario had to be built onsite, either in Kingston or in the American naval dockyards at Sackets Harbor, or converted from merchant ships already operating in the lake. Control of the lake -- the most important supply route for military operations to the west -- had passed back and forth between the Americans and the British over the course of the war. The construction of a first rate ship of the line, in a campaign that had been dominated by sloops and frigates, gave the British uncontested control of the lake during the final months of the war. HMS St. Lawrence never saw action, because her presence on the lake deterred the U.S. fleet from setting sail. Ah yes the ship that made the Americans lay down their arms and say uncle.

its pretty easy i mean it looks complex when you first start it up but you just drag the bricks form the list and then orient them the way you want them the thing that messes you up the most is the snap to grid feature which is great for most things but if you need to tilt a piece slightly you have to chnage the mode and if you forget to put it back your movements become very precise.

What makes you think this? We must remember the more cannon, men and ammunition the ship carries the heavier it becomes and thus harder to manoeuvre. So whilst it may sail faster whilst unladen the same may not be true if it was fully armed because we must also remember for a ship to gain speed it must accelerate over distance. Based ont he ships i've seen most guyson here build this is one of the smallest and as such makes her faster due to her more than ample sails.

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There is a lot of detail in the pirate ship but it loses functionality as a toy and just becomes a model and as much as i like it the rigging just seems messy and again the proportion for masts and cannons is wrong.

Well ive started moccing the St lawrence up shes bigger than the starwind even using smaller guns and gun ports.

HMS Victory someone made my sig for me but now that you have mentioned the st lawrence my designing mind goes spinning for ideas.