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As cleared as me, sure, but there is a great deal of distrust against me, and NONE whatsoever on him. That distinction doesn't make sense. I'm just saying, your 100% math is not 100% math if you are considering Canute to be 100% town. And then it could be Canute being the godfather and baulf and Wilhalm being his scumbuddy's. And we'd lose.

Come on Mursi, vote, didn't you say your math made it 100% clear Patrekr had to be scum? Or is there something else today you want to discuss? What I'm kinda worried about is that Mursi's math relies on Canute being einherjar, somehing we still haven't got reasons for why, except for "trying to help behind the scenes more than counterproductive idiots". Which, really, is no reason whatsoever.

Guts influences Marga in an evil way, assisted by his intimidation: "It was the humans that hurt the orcs, huh? Never have I heard such ignorance. The war started with Tarokai, and ended with Tarokai. For all your words, you need a history lesson or two. And it's not my kingdoms." Guess Neutral Evil. Guts influences Jaret Chaotically: "Must be a pretty dumb organization, to have someone spew such nonsense." Same Negotiations Order. Jaret hasn't got a guess yet this turn, he's probably Chaotic Neutral. We can't guess that this round, anyway.

Alexis influence gor chaotic- guess chaotic Neutral, influence Tarknal lawful - guess lawful neutral.

Their moods change, their ACTUAL alignments do not.

"Play on your suspicions and guess accordingly. We can control the situation."

Answer my questions? Not with what you two just said? That doesn't help anybody. Vote: Patrekr (Paladathric) No, you would cause the town to lose.

Please lay that math out for me? Haven't I been reciprocating on why you are wrong to suspect me constantly? And if you meant reciprocating on why I think you are scum, I just stated why I thought you were the only absolute confirmed townie according to me. Gratz. Seems like a plan. Can we make that bet official, or...?

Guts influences Marga in a Good way. "Do you realize that there are tens of thousands, maybe more, whose ancestors had nothing to do with the war. To the south, the war never reached those places. You're condemning a whole race for the actions of a fraction. Surely Tarok wouldn't think that's a battle worth fighting." Guess Chaotic Neutral. Guts influences Jaret Lawfully. "Yet, here you are. If it'd benefit your employers to throw the orcs into disarray, would you do it? Thousands of lives would be lost, on both sides." Guess Lawful Neutral. Same negotiations order.

I think I layed that out comfortably yesterday. I'm not here to be nice to you Mursi, even though you seem to value people being nice to you above EVERYTHING else. Know what Mursi, I don't have to explain how I am being helpful and stuff. My points are ignored, my words twisted, my questions unanswered, and then I get called a counterproductive idiot. I am town. Obvious town. Don't like it, don't believe it, well that's too sodding bad. Maybe the scum will try to lynch me, would be funny if Baulf starts voting for me. I will ask you to wait with voting till you see what happens. I believed no one could be that unhelpful and quiet and still be town. Only later we learned that had also to do with issues outside of Valhalla. Look, I was wrong, big suprise, it's not the first time, and guess what, it's probably not going to be the last time. Because Dagstyrr was a very good and unhelpful lynch candidate, right after lynching Dufa and getting rid of Wary, it was seeming we were on a roll. That made me a very happy woman.

Because there's pretty much always a Godfather. And you'll see that your first point I referred to. I thought so, as said before, everyone knew about Naemr, Finn knew about Lefsi, only you were not known about (don't know if Mursi has a role, but I doubt it). So my plan would have been fine. And how does the first of the quotes apply? That was a statement about the town block not being very helpful as far as I could see. Not an appeal to join it. And the switching kills around? I still think that's something that sounds incredibly dumb. I stand by that. I think if you compare the Godfather versus Framer appearances, the Godfather would win very, very comfortably.

I have never asked for any information about night actions, other than asking about the investigation which I was a part of, and that thing where it was suggested (by me, if I remember) openness would perhaps be good. I have never once tried to make my way into the town block while there was an investigation result on me, never once tried to look for roles/identities. Being able to switch kills around? What do you mean? Want to have a discussion about a possible framer? Sure. Let's have it. There is a day investigator. Would that mean a day framer? There are five scum. Would one of them really be a Framer? Really? I don't think so. Framer is an incredibly niche role, most likely countered by a blocker and a godfather. Considering a framer as a distinct possibility is dumb and counterproductive. Didn't resist it. Questioned it, with good reason. Sigrid was most likely scum. Turns out, she wasn't. Because the investigator could die in the night, and turns out, I didn't think very highly of the town block. Connect those dots? What has Canute done to be so helpful? And I still have not received answers why he had to be investigated right then and there, where his odd behaviour following that came from, and wether or not it was Mursi that pushed for Canute to be investigated. These are important things. And because we have no result yet, that leads me to believe either the investigator was blocked or another town result was gotten. Maybe on Mursi, which I don't think hadn't been investigated yet...? If one was gotten on someone else, that'd be a problem. So this suspicious thing that Mursi found, could we get what that was? I'm just saying, if it was damning enough that the investigator could not talk itself out of a way of investigating Finn, there is another possibility. Probably not, but still. Mursi, you are a superdick. So basically what you are saying is vanilla townies should let the town block do any and all work and not dare and speak up against anything that is super suspicious to them. That´s dumb. By the way what I said above is not quite right, I meant to say that an investigator is most likely countered by a Godfather and Blocker, not a Framer, and definitely not a Day Framer. Why not Snotra, Baulf and Patrekr or Wilhalm? Or any other mutation of it. Why are Patrekr and Baulf confirmed scum according to you? So according to me by the way, so there´s no confusion here, with Helga´s latest revelation about it being Mursi that found the suspicious Finn thing, that means according to me that Mursi is confirmed town. Investigator is pretty much confirmed, as I said earlier, there is the possibility the pressure would have been to great, but I don't see much reason for them not to lie if they were scum at that point, as they would have won if we had lynched a townie with the double kill last night and all. (is that right? I think so) I am town. So that leaves Baulf, Patrekr, Wilhalm and Canute. Canute I keep hoping there will be information coming about him, so far, no great success with that, but I'm a patient woman. That was a joke, I am not patient. Wilhalm is still just as suspicious as he was before. I think I will go and try to look for connections between those four and Finn. I think Dufa would have been too sneaky to allow any connections between him and any other scum.

Where have I ever said anything about pinning the deaths on you? I'm not saying their deaths are your fault, I'm just saying, haven't gotten anything from you to the contrary. I'm not the one constantly namecalling lately. I get called counter productive, idiot, scum, all the while you give no reasoning at all and keep twisting my words and twisting and twisting and laying things in my mouth like no body's business. It's quite annoying, actually. You, Mursi, (I will join you in namecalling, you seem to like it, and I have no reason to think there's something wrong with your taste), seem to be either a scum that can't contain his emotions, or a super vindictive and arrogant townie while not doing very much whatsoever with a pretty damn high opinion of themselves. Also, calling someone a counterproductive idiot is not going to help the town in making that person more clear, more helpful, generally. I speak from experience with such matters.

You first. Look. There are two possibilities here: A: The town block was compromised. Already questionable Day investigator refuses to tell me who they investigated yesterday now, so that's fun. I asked during the night, they didn't say anything. Maybe they figured the game would end? probably not, as that'd mean there'd be four scum, but since there is still a day, we know there are three. Possibility A says that Mursi, the Day investigator and person C are scum. Person C is most likely Canute, but could be someone else. I think I could figure that out by rereading things. Canute's reactions to being investigated were really really odd. There is also a distinct possibility he is a godfather, it would explain his weird reactions to being investigated. (What he did was questioning every move involved until the investigator told him) Likely, for a scum. Also from what I understand the way the investigator was told to investigate Canute was apparantly a bit odd. I wonder if Mursi pushed for that, although I think not, don't know if that was said. If it was Mursi, I'd say that'd mean Mursi and Canute are scum together. However, the day investigator gave us Finn, so how does that work? Answer, it doesn't, so that can't be right. The Day investigator is clear, Mursi and Canute are not. Possibility B: The Town Block is still fine and the three scum are obvious, although I'd still like to hear what Canute is doing in the town block no matter what. Of course the truth could be a combination. I have zero on everyone. Well played, scum. Well, zero except for the day investigator, he's pretty clear. It's kinda funny how you say morphed, as in you have information to think that the second killer not just walked in but was in fact something special. So basically what I would like is reasons why Canute and Mursi are supposed to be clear at this point.

Why is that? Town block as far as I know included Naemr and Lefsi, and they are dead. I'm sure the scum can count so they probably know who the investigator is at this point, but I'll leave it to you to explain it.

Yeah sometime, wait, is no one from Strivvi 2 actually on a quest? Nevermind, I'm dumb. Sandy is lost to the pokemans.

Yes, but that shift is not rolled for then as random, for this round, we KNOW it is a Chaotic change.

I'm reading it no other way than the shift happens during the round. There'd be no reason for the chaotic shift this round and Pie's example that way. Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.

You're still misunderstanding. Look at what I suggested, as it stands WE KNOW what everyone will be at the end of the round, yes? The guesses happen at the end of the round, also, yes? So why not guess that?

I think you misunderstand. There is no random element IN the round. The random element happens before each round, and we can work from that.

Ooc: I think there are two ways CMP could have gone about this puzzle, which it is, either every character has one of the nine alignments, or they can overlap, in which case most would probably be neutral with maybe 1-3 evil and a bunch of differences on the chaotic-lawful spectrum. I would like everyone to make as many guesses, that fit up to what they will be at the end of the round. So swils, maybe you want to change your guesses to Tarvalk and Karstaal both being Chaotic Neutral to reflect that? Also Legonator please change your guess for that as well. Also CJP, Scorpiox and MB I would like you to finish your actions with guesses and influences as well please if none come: Haldor guesses Chaotic Neutral on Bastala. CJP and MB, as it stands, Helrak leaves the table. We don't want that obviously. Also, CJP, you're messing up the guesses of other people. Please change it. Boldened how it is at the moment, other color what I would like differently. Guts influences Marga lawful > will turn Neutral Evil > Atmosphere: Chaotic > will turn Chaotic Evil > Guts guesses Chaotic Evil Guts influences Jaret Good > will turn Lawful Neutral > Atmosphere: Chaotic > will turn True Neutral > Guts guesses True Neutral Thormanil influences Tarvalk Chaotic > will turn True Neutral > Atmosphere: Chaotic > will turn Chaotic Neutral > suggest guess Chaotic Neutral Thormanil influences Karstaal Evil > will turn True Neutral > Atmosphere: Chaotic > will turn Chaotic Neutral > suggest guess Chaotic Neutral Dyric influences Garohn Lawful > will turn True Neutral > Atmosphere: Chaotic > will turn Chaotic Neutral > suggest guess Chaotic Neutral Sugg est Alexis influences General Gor Lawful> Will turn Lawful Neutral > Atmosphere: Chaotic > will turn True Neutral > Alexis Guesses True Neutral Suggest Alexis influences Tarknal Evil > Will turn Lawful Neutral > Atmosphere: Chaotic > will turn True Neutral > Alexis Guesses True Neutral Suggest Alexandre influences Helrak lawful twice, will turn Lawful Good > Atmosphere Chaotic > Will turn Neutral Good> Alexandre guesses Neutral Good Haldor influences Bastala Good > will turn True neutral > Atmosphere: Chaotic > will turn Chaotic Neutral > suggest guess Chaotic Neutral

I am not sure if I did that correctly, Pie. Like the idea, but a little bit confusing. Also, the Eurobricks Steam group got a couple more members, it seems.

For now, Guts figured it'd be best if the party dealt with the mood so that at least no one would leave, and the remaining party members tried to appease the ones, and get them to peacefully leave. It wouldn't hurt to make as many guesses as possible. Guess Chaotic Evil Marga. The raider then tried to influence her in a Lawful manner. "Surely, wise clanleader, there is no reason to harbour this grudge against humans, it's pointless. There are too many of us, we are divided, we breed like rabbits, we die young... To blame humans for everything would not be logical." Guess True Neutral Jaret. Guts walked over to the human, and tried to influence him in a good manner. "You haven't said too much, as a human amongst orcs, what are your solutions for the problem at hand?" Negotiations Order: Guts Guts Thormanil Thormanil Dyric Alexis Alexis Alexandre Alexandre Haldor

I'm not sure what you mean with guessing their alignments. Do they have a secret hidden alignment we have to guess, and when that is reached they automatically leave? Guts clutched his Stag Antler Halberd. That'd make him slightly more intimidating between the orcs.

There is actually a Eurobricks steam group, guys...