Commander Fenris

Yep, it's a really interesting possibility. Perhaps the name "Ice Planet 2002" means that spacemen have surveyed 2,002 ice planets in total so far; perhaps not all of them warrant a full landing team, they just get a cursory survey via a probe, and 2002 "Krysto" is one that merits a full Ice Planet Rangers expedition? Consider the factions of the 1990s: - Futuron - Space Police - Blacktron - M-Tron - Ice Planet - Unitron - Spyrius - Exploriens - Rock Raiders One way of interpreting them is that they are all different civilizations, at different times even. Another way is that they are all competing factions at the same time. And another is that some of them are branches of one overall civilization. Perhaps Rock Raiders represent the mining division, and M-Tron represent some kind of engineering force?

I was reading Jim Spaceborn 2: The Kidnappers from Swamp Planet, a comic I didn't even know existed, but can be found online. A new piece of lore (that I will add to the glossary on the last page), is that borundium seems to be an important resource in LEGO Space. It's used to coat the thrusters of starships in the Classic Space era. Perhaps something to be considered along with Energy Crystals. It's said that the Galactic Spearhead's original mission was to discover resources.

That's a good catch, I didn't really look too closely at their mission patch. I wonder if they are just exploring Krysto, or multiple Ice Planets, as a specialist force? The reason I think the latter, is that Ice Planet 2002 suggests something like the "two thousand and second ice planet", in one possible reading.

At the moment, astronomers would likely make no distinction in worthiness between those extremely small galactic remnants, and a major barred spiral galaxy. Their reasoning being probably, that even a small galaxy, is still a massive object, containing maybe millions of stars, more than any fictional FTL spacecraft could hope to visit in a lifetime. (Not to mention planets, moons, and asteroids around them). Say the Leo I dwarf galaxy, contains around 10 million stars, or the Ursa Minor Dwarf galaxy contains about 3 million. At one a day, that would take the USS Enterprise 8,219 years to explore. So frankly, we will never know what the "seven galaxies" or "United Galaxies" are unless LEGO confirm it. Out of interest to anyone reading for the firs time, science fiction can cover vastly different scales of spacial volume: Some very near future space opera takes place just in our solar system. The Expanse, or the Mars Trilogy, being examples. Perhaps LEGO City Space or early LEGO Classic Space might have started at these scales, exploring the solar system, as some set names imply it. Most space exploration science fiction takes place in one galaxy. Babylon 5, despite being incredibly epic, takes place in a rather small volume of space, perhaps mostly within 50 light years. Revelation Space likewise. Star Trek's Federation likely exists within 250 light years of Earth, well within a tiny spec of the Milky Way, which has a diameter of 100,000 light years at least, and a thickness of 1,000 light years. Dune's star systems seem to be within about 500 light years. Foundation, Star Wars and Warhammer 40,000 all postulate colossal galactic empires, on the scale of 90,000 light years, covering millions of stars (but likely filled with millions of uncharted systems too). Mass Effect and Stargate SG-1 cover similar huge galaxy-wide distances, but sparsely, with huge gaps between clusters or inhabited locations, owing to networks of artificial star-gates connecting them. Some science fiction takes place across multiple galaxies. Later in Stargate Atlantis, they gain a method of FTL starship propulsion so fast, that it can reach other galaxies regularily, but obviously, could never explore them at even a rate of one planet a day (so travel is largely targeted to known locations of interest). Likewise Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda covers three major galaxies, plus their satellites, likely also containing vast quantities of unexplored systems. LEGO Space seems to be, as an educated guess, one of those with a very fast FTL method, meaning probably diffuse settlement across these "seven galaxies". Everyone is always shown wearing oxygen tanks, in pressurised suits, with a heavy emphasis on airless bodies and environments. That suggests quite a hard sci-fi industrial aesthetic. Miners, airless outposts, radar stations, research bases, etc. Perhaps habitable bodies are relatively rare in LEGO Space?

I like your thinking. It's tough deciding which galaxies to include, because if we include Andromeda and Triangulum (I would like to personally), we are skipping over a lot of smaller dwarf elliptical galaxies, etc, closer to the Milky Way, that still have tens of thousands of star systems inside them. If we don't, then the seven galaxies could just be numerous "tiny" companions and satellites of the Milky Way. This itself raises questions about whether the seven galaxies represent "known space", or just ones that Spacemen have settled with official colonies. Perhaps skipping over many smaller galaxies in their colony expeditions? At the beginning of the LEGO Rock Raiders video game, the LMS Explorer is pulled through a wormhole to a spiral galaxy of comparable size to their origin one. It seems to be near their previous galaxy on the computer monitor, which suggests the Andromeda Galaxy, if they were previously in the Milky Way. It seems they are lost, stranded, so we can infer that this is an unmapped region or system beyond known space. That could be the case even if Spacemen have settled some other regions of Andromeda. At the end, they re-fuel then activate their FTL engine, as if this will get them home. Either to a point elsewhere in this other galaxy, or all the way back to their starting location. We can speculate that LEGO FTL is perhaps very fast, comparable to the engines humanity has acquired by the end of Stargate SG-1, capable of traversing inter-galactic distances in the range of millions of light years. They can't possibly explore all the stars contained within this volume; at a rate of one star discovery per day, it would probably take billions of years, as the Local Group contains 1.5 trillion stars (including maybe 400 billion in the Milky Way and 1 trillion in Andromeda). So it's likely they skip millions of uncharted systems. It might mean they haven't nececcarily visit their neighbours like the Sagettarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy before going to bigger targets like Andromeda. So, we can make an educated assumption that LEGO Space isn't just referring to tiny companions, from this admittedly circumstantial evidence. This makes your proposal logical. It may also mean that some of these seven galaxies are outside the Local Group. But I would personally keep them within that volume.

Sure thing! There is more than one interpretation to be found online, but based on the words of a LEGO designer (though he might have changed his mind since the 1970s), there was an original plan for the colours of Classic Space, provided below. In more recent material there is information on the related 2024 Space theme, so I will include that also. It seems the themes Classic Space, Futuron and 2024 Space, are all the same civilization. Perhaps at a different time in their history, or perhaps just different branches or organisations. Classic Space Theme: - Red: Pilots - White: Explorers - Yellow: Scientists - Blue: Security - Black: Spies 2024 Space Theme: - Blue: Pilot/Explorer Division - Green: Science Division - Yellow: Tech/Engineering Division For the 2024 Space theme, a darker the shade of the colour, denotes a Department Head. Also Gold indicates some sort of leader, wearing epaulettes. Something like an Admiral.

I noticed that in the description of 'Space Villain' minifig, it mentions the "seven galaxies", perhaps denoting that LEGO Space takes place in seven galaxies, perhaps the United Galaxies mentioned in material: As a member of a shadowy criminal organization feared throughout the seven galaxies, the Space Villain really knows his outer space bad-guy stuff. He can hotwire a rocket neutron drive in zero-G, melt through solid plasmodic hypersteel with his nova-ray blaster, and sneak past a FuturonCorp security-bot in under 3.6 quarkoids, all while blindfolded. Of course, full-time space villainy isn’t easy. Over the stellar cycles, the Space Villain has lost an eye in a warpship chase over Spyrius IV, misplaced a leg in the meteor mines of the Insectoid hivefleet, and he thinks his right arm might be somewhere at the other end of a black hole. Still, he wouldn’t give up his job for all the quasar rubies in the M-Tron Nebula…which just so happen to be the very next thing he’s planning to steal! Bit of speculation, but if LEGO Space followed real life, what would the seven galaxies be? The seven largest local ones? The seven nearest to the Milky Way? #-- 01). Galaxy 1 [historically known as the Milky Way] #-- 02). Galaxy 2 [historically known as Andromeda] #-- 03). Galaxy 3 [historically known as Triangulum] #-- 04). Galaxy 4 [historically known as Large Magellenic Cloud] #-- 05). Galaxy 5 [historically known as Small Megellenic Cloud] #-- 06). Galaxy 6 [historically known as M81 Galaxy] #-- 07). Galaxy 7 [historically known as Sculptor Galaxy] That's a suggestion which is a kinda mix of the two ideas. Several large galaxies within 15 million light years. But also nearby satellites LMC and SMC, rather than all the nearest ones (Sagetarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy etc). We see in Rock Raiders the video game that they get transported via wormhole to a distant unfamiliar spiral galaxy, so it seems reasonable to say that the seven galaxies aren't just satellites of the Milky Way. Alternatively, you could get rid of M81 and Sculptor and keep it all within the Local Group.

I did a little research using AI, and indeed beyond a few evocative names, there is no reference found to any method of FTL travel in LEGO Space. The closest was a set named Hyperspeed Pursuit, perhaps suggesting Hyperspace travel, but essentially it had nothing to do with FTL travel and was more about fast rockets. However, one thing I remember is that the final cutscene in Rock Raiders shows the massive "LMS Explorer" going to FTL. So it basically jumps to a bunch of stars rushing past in an instant. For whatever that is worth.

It would make a really cool police station for Space Police too I think.

Many thanks. I am a little sad that we haven't heard more news. If this was "Futuron 0", a kinda prequel, I was hoping for a "Blacktron 0" bad guy faction.

Could anyone kindly summarise what the current rumours are about Space? I was expecting there would be more news on the 2024 Space theme, but have just heard nothing since the release of Modular Galactic Spaceship.

It's not really a good analogy since Rogue One was genuinely faithful. To the degree it was almost a fan film. In the case of SNW, the modern producers resent a lot of Star Trek's older aesthetics, often ignore established continuity, etc. The tone is also irreverent. To take one change as an example: A previous show had for example retconned the entire appearance of the ship, in a way that couldn't be reconciled with previous established appearances (say by saying it was a refit of the ship), and this show continued with that CGI model. Then the timeline of the show was altered through time travel, when it had remained largely consistent for 60 years. It's better than some of the other modern productions, but that isn't saying much. It's reputation as 'better' is built on low expectations set by it's peers. Star Trek relies on the audience taking it seriously, as an earnest serious setting, so the introduction of fourth-wall breaking comedy is completely anathema to the point too. I agree entirely, it's just if LEGO really needs some narrative for a Futuron 3, Space Police 4, Blacktron 3 theme, they could perhaps stike a balance by just having a few tie-in games or cartoons like how Chase McCain isn't really neccecary to LEGO City (not narrative to the degree of stuff like Ninjago). Don't do much more than set generalities like dropping a few planet names and a bit of geography.

Strange New Worlds is hit and miss. Sometimes it's a faithful Star Trek production. Just as often, it becomes an ironic self-referential parody. I'm not into shows being ironically revised. Or making fourth-wall breaking meta-jokes, etc. Star Trek shouldn't have had a Buffy-style musical episode. Or a hybrid episode with a cartoon comedy (which itself shouldn't have existed, and would have been superior if it had just been played straight). Prodigy was unironically much more faithful in spirit, once it stopped behaving like a Pixar/Disney knockoff. But, Prodigy aside, none of the modern productions have felt like they were respectful of the original material or spirit sadly. They feel like a hostile takeover by someone engaged in "asset stripping".

Don't get me wrong, I fear any "modern revival" of anything these days, considering how bad franchises like Star Trek have been treated. It pains me to say, as many of them mattered a great deal to me. There was a time when I would have never missed an episode of Star Trek. It would have been inconceivable. Now it's barely recognisable, and I can't bear to watch what it has become. With LEGO Space, I'm therefore just going to say this as a speculative exercise in "what if they actually did it right". If they actually did it right, they would run a mile away from the ill-conceived late Space themes, with their over-the-top cartoon aesthetics. They would instead build the setting as a intericate semi-serious space opera, while preserving it's scope. Stick to the industrial construction workers in space aesthetic for most of the factions. Not over-reliance on characters, but rather any named heroes are just one incidental group, within a large setting. Ironically enough, some of the non-franchised games actually get this balance right, such as Blacktron mercs turning up in an MMO, the old LEGO Mars Mission RTS game, the Space cameos in LEGO City Undercover. You can be funny, like LEGO City Undercover, but also have some degree of Space realism, real geopolitics.

I wouldn't be surprised personally, if there was some backroom deal between Lucasfilm and LEGO, because I've seen enough of how societies operate to know that this kind of thing isn't exactly unheard of. However, I would like to think that LEGO could revive their own in-house space theme, given how beloved it's history and aesthetics were. I find it distressing to think that the LEGO brand managers think nobody young might be interested in LEGO Space. If there was an issue of narrative recognition, then building it up with a TV show and games would be the way to go! Just focus on the history of Lego Space, such as the big factions: Futuron, Blacktron and Space Police. On another topic guys, are there any rumours about what is happening with Lego Space in 2025? I was hoping for a return of Blacktron. It would be so easy to turn Lego Space into a lore heavy IP. It has the lore, it has the rabid fanbase, it has unofficial comics/books like Space: The Comic, or Building the Future, it has history.