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Same. Ice Planet wheels! And a trans-colored windscreen. It looks like satin trans dark blue but not sure. I like this one. It's cute.

Well. Hot damn. I really like all the Space sets. The smaller rover is probably the least exciting, but all the other sets are looking really good. The smaller sets, the mech and hoverbike, are great IMO, and are going to be awesome in multiples. The big rover looks really cool. Space wheels! The main ground base is pretty awesome. So many colored space men! Gives me Futuron vibes. The black and gold space commander is an interesting surprise. I like the "space train" configuration of the space station. And the little hoverbike. The interstellar space ship looks small for the price but it's nice. I'm really hoping all the windscreens are the new trans black. It's always hard to tell in pics because of the renders. But at least trans black is more exciting than trans clear/trans light blue. Seems like they're being really careful with colors; even the colored space men are mostly white, and trans colored parts are kept to a minimum. Even the new orange isn't as prominent as in the Technic sets. Also, looks like the designers did the obvious smart thing and put lots of reusable prints in the 4+ set, and they appear to be reused in the other sets! It's almost like if you plan a theme intelligently, you can have all the prints you need! Side note, I really like the Dreamzzz Space Buggy. Ice Planet wheels! And a colored windscreen! Is it satin trans dark blue?

Hopefully! I know right? It's my fave of what's been revealed so far but I don't generally buy Technic.

Vertical Take Off and Landing I like this version of the Space logo:

I'm actually finding the opposite. Specifically, I dislike the font more, and I also don't like the wide kerning. The more perceptive among us will see what's wrong with this 'c': Hmm yeah I think you're right. That one is especially sci-fi. And yeah, nice to see that sort of thing in Technic.

I have lots of thoughts after seeing the Technic sets. I like the small rover and the VTOL designs. They seem more interesting and futuristic than the city designs we've seen, IMO. The white, new orange, and trans black windscreen scheme is pretty cool. I wish the city spaceship that leaked had more of the new orange and had a trans black windscreen (it appears to be trans clear but hard to tell from the pics). I like the purple & blue space background from the promo pics with the kids playing. Why couldn't that be incorporated into the Space banner background? Pretty wild that we're getting the cross-theme Space branding. I wonder if we'll see the same branding in Creator, Friends, or even Ninjago? The cross branding is another reason they should have come up with a better Space banner. It's bitter sweet that Space has no home of its own and has to live in other themes. I really have no hope of getting anything in 2024 that is similar to traditional/Classic Space themes. Everything so far has gone the Artemis/NASA concept route.

Yep, and it's almost 2024, now go back 5 years and in 2019 we had Benny's Space squad. Hopefully they make more Space sets going forward but I'm not counting chickens before they hatch.

That is like, spectacularly good art for a 13 year old. Wow. Cool MOC too!

I think Ninjago and Monkie Kid are evidence that Lego knows kids like colors, as those are kid oriented themes with very colorful sets. There are even a decent number of colored canopies in those sets. Heck, Monkie Kid sets are even too crazy-colored for my liking, most of the time. So it's not so much "space sets need to have lots of colors" as much as "any set can benefit from a pop of color", especially for kids.

Wow, that is exactly what this new set looks like to me, except for the pointy nose.

Yes! This and everything else you said. I've complained about it before. I can't believe they keep cranking out shuttles and other NASA style sets, yet can't do more than 2 unlicensed sci-fi Space sets every five years. I wish the leaked space ship wasn't "shuttle skinned", i.e. white on top and black on the edges. It makes it look like another shuttle but more futuristic. Also I guess these aren't for kids. Kids like colors. This is in boring colors, probably to appeal to adults who think space sets have to be in real world colors.

Yay! Obviously I'll need to be better about ignoring it when possible, but if something really ruffles my feathers, I'll have a reasonable fallback option. Good advice. I get pretty hot headed sometimes. I need to be better about taking a breath.

Yeah. I think divide and conquer is a better strategy. Make a few realistic NASA sets, and make some totally Sci-Fi sets with colored windscreens. Both groups get exactly what they want and buy lots of sets, instead of both groups getting head-scratcher sets that nobody really wants.

I desperately want this piece but with the socket rotated 90 degrees: In other words the holes in the top and bottom of the socket would be on the sides instead. That way, you could get a full 180 degree movement in the same plane the studs are in, with all studs pointing up. I think this piece has the socket oriented more the way I want, but it's a loose socket, not tight like the mixel joints (right?) .

I wonder if they're trying to please everyone. Putting these in City to get the City fans, making them semi-sci-fi to get the sci-fi/Space people, and making them in NASA colors and semi-realistic to get the NASA/realistic space fans? Not sure if it'll work. It might end up like Nexo Knights; neither Castle or Space/Sci-Fi fans really loved it and action fans/kids preferred Ninjago.

Hmm, maybe the Galaxy Explorer treatment? 1200ish pieces, $100? Although if it's going to be bigger, maybe 1500 pieces would be better, so the parts aren't stretched too thin again.

Thanks for the insights! Yeah, it's an impossible problem. Mods have a tough job as it is. Luckily the Mods on Eurobricks are incredibly good, IMO. Even when I've been called out, they're pretty chill about it and let me explain my side. I guess the question is, can I do anything about "opinion policing"? I can't report it if it's not against the rules. And I can't call out the opinion policing person, because that's apparently against the rules. The mods have called me out for that before. Can I tell them that I think they're trying to police my opinion, and that I don't like it?

Top ten lists are so hard for me. There are so many great sets. And the better they are, perhaps, the less they really need a redesign. So I'll limit myself to Space which I have the strongest opinions on. Probably one set that is in the sweet spot for being iconic, but also in great need of a redesign, is the Blacktron Renegade. I love the design and general idea, and the colors, but the actual in person feel of the set is less impressive. Something about it feels unfinished and flimsy, and like the parts were really stretched to the maximum. With a bigger budget I think the set could reach its full potential. Another set I love to pieces but doesn't make any sense is Robot Command Center. Is there a big-budget redesign even possible for this set that would "fix" the proportions and somehow make a sensible reinterpretation of the four blue hinged canopies on the sides? Seems like a difficult challenge to me, but perhaps not impossible. Then there's a set that I don't like at all, but could perhaps be "fixed" by a total redesign: Other than the colors and general shape, I think this is a terrible design. Don't crucify me, Unitron fans! I just want this set to be as good as it always deserved to be. Then there are sets that I want re-released in upgraded form not because they need it, but because they're so good already: And just for giggles to see what the designers come up with:

It happens over and over. You give an honest, good faith opinion of something: a set, a design, something totally unimportant like packaging. And it happens to be on the critical side. And then come the opinion police. "If you don't like it don't buy it" "Why are you so negative?" "I can't believe people are complaining about this" "It's just a children's toy!" "Lol X fans are always complaining". "You'll never be satisfied." Are these comments needed? Are the helping the discussion? Or are they toxic, dismissing, snide, and insulting? In response to the opinion police, the person with the opinion wants to defend it, so they reply, explaining why they have the negative opinion. And then the dog-piling gets worse. "Why are there so many negative comments on this? Why do you keep going on and on? We've all heard enough!" But if the opinions were never policed in the first place, there would be no defense of the opinion, and the topic would have moved on. And if you notice the constant policing, and you ask "Why are you always policing opinions", you get in trouble, and the Mods will call you out specifically. Isn't this a little bit, I don't know, insane? Why are people allowed to be opinion police? I want people to disagree with me. If I like something, I want them to tell me why it sucks. If I hate something, I want them to tell me why it's good. But I don't want someone to offer no opinion, no argument, and only dismiss, ridicule, and shut down my opinion. Or accuse me of being negative and silly or ungrateful. This is opinion policing. It's toxic and stifles actual opinion disagreements. It's meant to punish people who disagree, while offering no actual opinion-based disagreement. It's incredibly insidious. And makes it impossible to offer constructive criticism on anything.

There were exactly two comments critiquing the packaging/logo before the surprise over the comments. A total of four sentences. This is all much ado about nothing. I'll quote how my comment ended: I preemptively signaled it's not very important. But it didn't work... Yes, I'm sad we haven't heard much about this lately. Or the Space CMF series (which might not even be sci-fi, who knows). What I do know is that when Lego releases a set I really like, for example the Galaxy Explorer, or less recently Benny's Space Squad or Benny's S-S-Spaceship, I tend to buy lots of other Lego sets that I normally wouldn't buy. I get a lot more forgiving. Almost like getting those kinds of sets reinvigorates my love for Lego generally. So the 2024 town space sets are "maybes" for me right now, but if a new Blacktron Icons set comes out, I'm going to be in a good mood...and the 2024 town space sets become "heck, why not" sets.

There's the classic "Space fans are always complaining" trope. Then there's the fact that I was the only one who mentioned the Space logo itself, so obviously it was about my comment specifically. And then totally disingenuous strawman that I'm complaining that the Space logo being prominent, which literally nobody said. I complained about the font, the size, the background. But the reply is basically saying I'm so dumb that I'm a Space fan complaining about getting a prominent Space logo. I mean of course that's insulting. It's almost like I'm being intentionally trolled. I can't imagine what other meaning "Space fans are complaining about the prominent "SPACE" branding" other than to call them stupid and/or ungrateful. And it's only a few people on the entire forum that repeatedly do this. I guess I should just block them and be done with it. Sorry, I'm only explaining my thought process because you asked. Dropping it otherwise.

So we can insult Space fans as a whole, but not say "you" when replying to the person insulting Space fans? Got it. Dropping the issue then.

DARVO. Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. I and others give an honest critique of what we think is bad design. You reply to mock us as if we're ungrateful, silly people. You don't even try to argue that the design is good. You don't offer a different opinion. You just attack the people with the critical opinion. I call out your bad (and widely known) habit of doing this. Then you act like I'm the bad guy. You pretend to be the victim. Even though you are the one that ridiculed my opinion.

Double post.

Yeah but that's web design mostly. The planet's diameter is smaller than the height of the SPACE text. A logo smaller than accompanying text seems like a graphic design faux pas to me, or maybe it just violates common sense. Then why can't you believe it? You know what I can believe? That you immediately jumped in to complain about those who criticized literally anything Lego did. It's just packaging. Not that important to me personally, but I do find it off-putting in this case. EDIT: Actually the more I look at it though, the worse it gets. The City logo actually looks cool and has a great font. Now look at the Space side and see how disjointed and terrible it looks in comparison. Yikes. I thought I was done talking about it but @Lyichir your comment goaded me to look at it again and wow is it bad. That game actually had a non-boring logo: Huh, look at that. The Space logo is bigger and the font is more exciting and futuristic. Exactly what I suggested.