Darkdragon

JackJonespaw - thanks for playing!

Everyone is busy talking and talking and talking...not getting any work done, while Julia slaves away to get things ready for the big event. Meanwhile, Jane decides she should feed the chickens instead of participate in discussion. I guess she thought they looked a bit peckish.... So she grabs a bucket of grain and heads off to the chicken-hill. "Oh Hi my chick chick friends! I have some num nums for you!" "Woa hey, why are you... hey! get off me! Somebody help meeee!!!" "Bad chickens..bad...owch....my face...it hurts so much...stop pecking me...ouch..." Julia hears the cries for help and runs out to the hill, but she is too late. Jane (JackJonespaw) lies in a pool of her own blood, the chickens are nowhere to be seen. Julia calls everyone over to the hill to show them what has become of Jane. "I, really don't know what to say here. This...is a huge mess. It's going to take hours to clean this grass and where are the chickens? If you hadn't killed the vet, maybe we could have gotten more apples and asked that horse what she saw." Julia sighs. "You three, start cleaning this mess. I'll figure out if she was a horse killer and let you know tomorrow. All the fumes from cleaning the bathrooms has me a bit confused."

"Nice work everyone. I think I'll put on the Black Dragon Robe in place of my old purple one." Cinna equips the Black Dragon Robe and puts her old robe in her bag. Second turn she follows Hybros through the door.

Thanks Zepher! Yeah, I'm not getting much sleep either. There's no sleep during mafia anyway.

Day Two: Flagpole Sitta Since some people have asked, I will go ahead and clarify a couple points about the rules. This rule is completely valid and in force. I will not be changing any rules for any reason. Everything has been laid out since the Confirmation & Discussion thread went up and if you had a question or issue with any rule, you should have addressed it with me before Day One started. There was plenty of time for any perceived problems to be brought to my attention at that time. It appears that some folks are concerned about two of the rules in particular, so I will clarify them for you all right now. Just to make sure you completely understand. I don't want anyone to be confused by any of the rules, and if you have questions feel free to ask (but not in the Day 2 thread ). I will also be adding this section to the bottom of the first post in C&D for your reference. Some people seem to be confused as to why Day One was closed "early". It's pretty clear right here in the rule that once the majority is reached the day is over. Obviously, if majority vote happens while I am not around I won't be able to tally and lock the thread. I will not be locking the thread retroactively and deleting posts, so expect things to happen just as they did yesterday: If there is a majority vote when I am available to tally the votes, the day is over and the thread will be locked. Another rule people seem to be struggling to understand for some reason. The penalty for not voting is incurred against players who fail to vote on a day where a conviction isn't reached. I know this is obvious to most of you, but there have been a few questions, so I thought I'd clear that up. I thought it would be obvious, but just to make sure this is also clear: keep in mind that if you unvote, it is the same as not voting at all. I hope any misunderstandings have been cleared up now, this isn't rocket science Have fun everyone! The Rules Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Town or the Scum. To win the game, the Town must kill off all the Scum, while the Scum must outnumber the Town. Any Third-Party (neutral) characters have their own win conditions as outlined in their roles. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting should be done in the following format; Vote: Character (Player). Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character (Player). No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. A game day will last until majority vote is reached up to a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. After the day has concluded, a night phase will commence, which will last a maximum of 48 hours. Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 24 hours of the night phase. The alignment of lynched players, as well as those that died during the night, will be revealed at the beginning of the next day. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to or from you in PM with the game host. This includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage. You may not quote PMs from other players. Quoting PMs from other players will result in a same-day 3-vote penalty against you for each incident. Do not play the game outside the day-thread and PMs. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread; you must always play the role given to you. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game. Writeboards will not be used in this game. All communication is to be done in the game day threads and via PM. If you are dead, your game is over. You may not comment on the game to any living or dead players in any form. This includes posting, private messaging, direct chat, email or any other form of online or offline communication. Any information you had becomes void and may not be passed on. The same applies for living players making contact with those who are no longer playing, no matter what the stated purpose. Both situations can appear to be an attempt to gain information or cause influence that would be unfair to the remaining living players. Whether you are still playing or have already died, if you are contacted inappropriately, please notify the host immediately. Violation of this rule will result in instant mod-kill and probably something worse after the game. You may not edit your posts. Editing your post will result in a 2-vote penalty. This is your only warning. You must post in every Day Thread. Failure to do so will result in a 1-vote penalty at the start of the next day. You must vote in every Day Thread. Failure to do so will result in a 2-vote penalty at the start of the next day. These rules will not change through the game. Do not pester the host about changing any rules. If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the host using your role PM. All other forms of communications will be ignored. The Host Julia (Darkdragon) The Living Oscar (Hinckley) Wild Dragon (Dragonator) Dansmith IV (Dannylonglegs) Patty (DarthPotato) Carl (CallMePie) Walter (WaterbrickDown) Dave (Piratedave84) Fred (def) Cece (Cecilie) Daisy (Scubacarrot) Ginny (Captain Genaro) Tammy (Tamamono) Penny (VolcanicPanik) Shadell (Shadows) Billie (badboytje88) Amy (iamded) Katie (PsyKater) Heather (fhomess) Matilda (Zepher) Sara (TheBoyWonder) Jane (JackJonespaw) Jimmy (JimButcher) Mike (Bob) The Dead Zara (zakura) - Town - Killed Day One Trisha (TrumpetKing67) - Town - Lynched Day One

Thanks for playing, TrumpetKing67! Hi everyone! Day 2 will be going up within 8 hours, night action results will go out shortly before that!

Darkness spell at the clam from back row.

"Oh that hurt, that hurt quite too much." Turn 1: Drink Grand Potion. Turn 2: Attack Stream-leaping Tiger with Darkness spell from back row.

The majority vote has been reached, and Day One is over. With a final vote tally of 14, Trisha (TrumpetKing67) has been chosen for lynch. Final Vote Tally Billie (badboytje88) - 1 vote (def) Trisha (TrumpetKing67) - 14 votes (Hinckley, PsyKater, zakura, JackJonespaw, Shadows, Tamamono, PirateDave84, TheBoyWonder, badboytje88, JimButcher, iamded, CallMePie, WaterBrick Down, Cecilie) Penny (VolcanicPanik) - 1 vote (Zepher) Daisy (Scuba) - 3 votes (Bob, Captain Genaro, Dannylonglegs) Walter (Waterbrick Down) - 1 vote (fhomess) Non-Voters - DarthPotato, TrumpetKing67, VolcanicPanik, Dragonator, Scubacarrot You have 24 hours to get your night actions in.

Vote Count Billie (badboytje88) - 1 vote (def) Trisha (TrumpetKing67) - 12 votes (Hinckley, PsyKater, zakura, JackJonespaw, Shadows, Tamamono, PirateDave84, TheBoyWonder, badboytje88, JimButcher, iamded, CallMePie) Penny (VolcanicPanik) - 1 vote (Zepher) Daisy (Scuba) - 3 votes (Bob, Captain Genaro, Dannylonglegs) Walter (Waterbrick Down) - 1 vote (fhomess) With 24 players remaining, a majority of 13 is required for a conviction. There are up to 22.5 hours left in the day. If you have not added your character in avatar or signature and name to your signature, you better do it before then end of voting!

The recovered posts have been improved by adding a character picture to each, so you can more quickly identify who said what. Hinckley. Thank you.

Thanks for playing, zakura!

Julia is busy setting up lights and decorations when suddenly... <<RATTLE>> ** SCREAM ** /THUMP/ She runs outside to the barn where she sees a most gruesome sight. Everybody come here! Everyone heads over and sees... Zara (zakura) lying dead, having been crushed by a bale of hay. "How did this happen? You folks need to be much more careful here, the stables can be a very dangerous place if you are not paying proper attention. Safety first! Now go back to whatever you were doing, which I really hope is trying to find the killers of our beloved horses.

Cinna will take Smelling Salts on second turn, she will use darkness spell on River-churning Clam from back row.

Vote Count Billie (badboytje88) - 1 vote (def) Trisha (TrumpetKing67) - 10 votes (Scubacarrot, Hinckley, PsyKater, zakura, JackJonespaw, Shadows, Tamamono, PirateDave84, TheBoyWonder, badboytje88) Penny (VolcanicPanik) - 1 vote (Zepher) Daisy (Scuba) - 3 votes (Dannylonglegs, TrumpetKing67, Bob) Walter (Waterbrick Down) - 1 vote (fhomess) With 25 players remaining, a majority of 13 is required for a conviction. There are 30 hours left in the day. If you have not added your character in avatar or signature and name to your signature, you better do it before then end of voting!

Cinna whispers to her teammates <I don't think we can attack until we enter the room with the enemies.>

I'll be keeping the voting thread open an extra day because of yesterday's downtime. Vote soon so you can be entered to win a cool minifig!

Vote Count Billie (badboytje88) - 1 vote (def) Trisha (TrumpetKing67) - 2 votes (Scubacarrot, Hinckley) With 25 players remaining, a majority of 13 is required for a conviction. There are 45 hours left in the day.

All the posts have been inserted and the Day 1 thread is unlocked!

None of you are being very helpful so far. Yes, horrified that horses have been murdered, got it. Anything else? Any opinions on the other events that have been happening since the day started? Let's hear it, please. In the case of Amy, I think it's important we all remember that fun ramblings accompanied with smileys and winkies should never be a sufficient defense. Hmmm, a perfectly silly statement from a previously proven-to-be-intelligent person then deflected by the jokings of a joker making jokes about herself. Ping. Ping indeed. Any luck yet? Interesting. As this game...of life seems to have pitted the Scum against the Town, I'm not sure what category the "Innocent" fall under, but perhaps we are better, if the lie detector is even real, to give her something more tangible to work with like: "I am aligned with the Town." I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Also, I never called your plan retarded. I'm not attacking you, either way. I'm just pointing out that your idea was rather silly. It seems you have vocalized your thought process in the mean time and I can see where you thought God would give us the result. Just for future reference, this is not how Night Actions usually work. That would be a bit unfair as if God were to confirm the result, that would solidly confirm two people. If Trish gives us a result, we still don't know if she is telling the truth and will have to use resources to verify her. See how that game...of life mechanic works? It doesn't really verify anything and leaves it up to us to figure out who is lying? Having play the game...of life before, I'm sure you never saw a host giving Night Action results. What's this? A note: Don't worry Lady Dolores, I won't. Yes, I was thinking this too. Innocent of what, exactly? I don't think that would work. It wouldn't be lying or telling the truth since the person doesn't really know, would it? I'm not sure, it's an odd role I haven't dealt with before. How has this acorn of horse crap turned into the mountain of megablocks we are now discussing? You started out the day by claiming that you had to feed a cookie to every one of us to see who is lying and then only having a 15% chance of finding out what truth was being told after that. Then Fred comes along and clarifies your bonko ramblings into a much different action than what you're describing here? Where are you now? Why are you not answering these questions we all have been asking? What on Earth did you mean by this original post if the role that we've posted is supposedly what you really have? How did we get from everyone eating a cookie to what Fred has described and is trying to everyone to participate in? This is getting just a bit too convoluted for my hedgehog tastes here. Ludicrous, ridiculous ramblings. In my hedgehog opinion, this, in no way, can be analagous to any known Night Action in the brilliant novel known as MafiaWiki, which is one of the reading sources. This is just...nuts. And not the type you put on cookies. This clarification is not a clarification. It's just further enigma. She's been experimenting some treats and mentioned the ones she brought with her. ... What the philly? Quick and convenient explanation. Perhaps this is what Trish was talking about but why couldn't she say so herself when she started rambling? I realize the Scum are forced to work by Potato Message. Maybe it's too risky to do too much of that with the Mafia stalkers in our midst and some coaching must be done in thread and not in private. Or Fred is being his usual analytical self. It is very possible that Fred, who has a great mind for this game, just sees someone acting in a noobish fashion and is doing his best to help and perhaps utilize an important Town tool. Tool. Oh, no. There's no response to the lie detector clarification from Fred, just more rambling, this time getting crazier. The cookies have truth sprinkles and it has nothing to do with Action, she's just an aspiring baker, something about vomit. Want to eat a cookie? It's not too late to just say you're roleplaying here... It really isn't too late. But ramble on, anyway. Fred, are you suggesting that the cookie has to be baked perfectly and the sprinkles, etc? This is making the claim sound more likely to you? Really? At this point, it's not even a claim. It's just nonsensical rambling. Off chance? So, you don't believe her. Good. But, Fred, why do you call it a claim? She hasn't claimed anything yet? Does it seem to you like you could be feeding her a roleclaim? If it's such an "off-chance" that she's telling the truth, why wouldn't we focus more on her crazy megablocks story? Vomit-inducing truth sprinkles. Baked to perfection. Nothing she's described so far sounds like the lie detector action you've fed her. So, do you have cookies or a detector? Which is it? I think you're baking megablocks brownies. Good call here. If this is true, having a way for her to have a statement for every player to have a qualitative reading on is brilliant. But, you've gone to suspecting people who won't do exactly what you say. For instance, Billie says "Towniest of Town" and you list it as "won't claim". It's not that he won't (McArthyism) It's simply that he did it wrong on the first try. I know you to be aggressive which works, but I'm just pointing out that it seems to be drawing more attention away from the weird Trish claim. I'm not saying you're Scum or working with Trish here. I'm just ... analyzing, I suppose. I hope you don't take offense to this as I don't mean any. Well, I think it'd make more sense for it to be a two-shot, so she can really verify one person or another depending on what she actually gets them to say. I'd like to hear Trish claim that she was mistaken and she double-checked and it is actually a two-shot ability. Fred, do you think it's odd that you're doing most of the work on this while Trisha rambles in one post, oddly agrees with you in the next and then disappears while you do the verifying work? I don't know how things work in a big city like Heartlake, but where I come from, we judge people by what they say and less based on what other people say about them. Whether or not the whole truth cookies thing is real or makes any sense, some have been willing to participate and others decidedly not so. For the innocent among us, there's nothing to hide. I can't imagine how declaring my innocence would help those scummy horse killers one bit, but some here have been rather loathe to make a similar claim. It's just as much about the claim as it is about being willing to help. It's pretty clear that the original comment from Trisha said "If we feed it to everyone, it should work as a lie detector". I know you're eager to catch the perpetrators, but let's try to solve this methodically. I think you've got valid concerns about the claims (she also claimed a communicate with the spirits treat), particularly the part about it being 1-shot or not (feed it to everyone comment). I look forward to Trisha's explanation Wait, Ping is a bad thing?! I got one of those earlier. I agree fully here and find it very odd that Daisy has twice evaded stating her Townyness. Seriously, I like a good joke as much as the next guy, I'd like to know her reasoning behind her actions. If she hasn't been taking it seriously, then why not, and why not tell us that earlier? Well, thank you for providing perspective on the lie-detector story. It is actually quite interesting to see how this whole thing has evolved. I agree with Heather that we need to hear Trisha explain, in plain English--with none of her ramblings about flavor--what she meant and what her role dictates. I'm still quite confused as to how this role supposedly works. The role as stated is quite conflicting; I don't know if it's a result of her making it up (for whatever reason ) or her just not being able to clearly say it (for whatever reason.) If she honestly has this role, I'd be somewhat annoyed. Trisha, for future reference, stating your role publicly on the first day only helps the scum. I assure you, if you're not lying, and the scum have a blocker, you'll be blocked. If you publicly prove a person innocent, he/she/you will be killed. You've essentially given the enemy a good look at our cards. That is, unless you're lying, which, after reading mister Hedgehog's an alysis, seems less unlikely than it did before.

I'll play along; I'm Innocent Could a test be made? Why not have Trisha test her own role-claim (is that even possible?)? So, you were hoping to see someone acting like "a complete retard" and claiming their role on Day One? Trisha (who looks an awful lot like Daisy) claimed her Night Action during the day . You say that's retarded, but it's what you were hoping for. Were you hoping someone would claim their useful Night Action so you and your Scummy friends could find a good kill target for Night One? So, first you hope someone will give us some info about who to lynch but then you say you just want someone helpful to come forward, which Trish has by claiming her Night Action, which you actually believe is a completely retarded thing for her to do. How has all of this brought us info to base a lynch on? How have we been enlightened? Why were you hoping for someone to act like a complete retard? Oh geez, another note: OK, I know, right? Isn't that exactly what I had already said? And you don't have to sound so accusatory, Lady Dolores. I was only asking Shadell some polite questions out of curiosity. No reason to be such a be-yatch. Oh, that's no concern. We hedgehogs will do anything. Oh, what a great idea! Let's ask the person making an odd claim to verify herself and then believe the result? What a convenient out for her that would be if she was lying. "Hey everybody! I used my one-shot investigation ability on myself and I'm Innocent! Hooray for me! Isn't that great? Carry on, nothing to worry about here." I have a better idea. Why don't we just verify everbody by asking them to just tell us what side they're on? Why didn't anyone ever think of that before? OK, ready go! I'm a Townie. Now, everybody else tell us what side you're one and we'll lynch the ones who verify for us that they're Scum or Neutral. Game over! Wow, that was easy. ... Fruit cake. In case it still isn't getting through, I guess I'll have to be direct. I think she's claimed an utterly ridiculous role and done it in the stupidest way possible. I hope it means she's scum and she's just revealed herself in a panic to try to appear to be a townie when no one had even accused her. At the very least, it's drawn my attention to her and led to discussion, which is one of the biggest things we can get out of a day 1. I was hoping someone would come forward with more than "he looks funny" or "he said we instead of them" or some other lame reasoning. It always goes wrong. Instead, we've gotten an interesting claim today, one that seems utterly insane and at least to me indicates that we have someone to be suspicious of today. I never said I was expecting someone to suddenly claim to be an investigator while revealing a scum to us, I wouldn't believe that for a minute, but when someone comes up with what sounds like a ridiculous story and then needs to prove it, we learn something. At this point, our best chance to catch a scum is if they act like a complete retard, so that's what I hoped for and what it looks like we might be getting. Again, however, it's at least causing discussion, though my neck is getting sore talking to a hedgehog, so can you at least sit up here on the table so I can stop looking down at you? It seems to be a trait inherent in hedgehogs, I never knew they were quite so dim-witted, but I'll add that to the things we're learning today. You don't see the horses acting like this. A stupid roleclaim and what looks like a stupid attempt to help her. Are you starting to see what I wanted here? Trish and Yippee-Dippee... um, Dave... have certainly put themselves in the spotlight today. Trish is trying hard to please Fred and Dave is making some pretty lame suggestions to possibly save Trish from a bad-joke-turned-worse-roleclaim. It doesn't always go wrong. Twice in recent memory, it's been very helpful if not spot-on accurate. Even when we're wrong, the events can give us evidence to work on for days . Does it seem like an insane claim considering it's on mafiawiki? The claim itself and the timing are what's interesting to me. Why claim on Day One, at all? Why not just find some other way to get people to say things that can be proven or wait to see if the person she's suspicious of makes a claim that can be checked? I think one-shots should be used early, but not wasted by not having enough info. But maybe Trish is kind of a noob. I'll certainly climb up onto a shelf, table, refrigerator, horse's megablocks, whatever it takes to make it easier to communicate with. Yes, yes. I get it. Here's another note: Geez, yes. I get it. Still doesn't make complete sense about what Shadell said in the first place about someone coming forward with info on Day One as if there was some sort of Day Action or something else she knew we could use... But I digress... for now. Vote: Dave (PirateDave84) This will probably not lead to a lynch as there's not much to go on, but if he's not Scum, at least we won't have to hear non-helpful suggestions like "Let's have the person with the strange roleclaim verify themselves and then we can trust her" anymore. Anyway, this will also hopefully get these two talking a bit more about this whole lie detector business. Trish, why did you feel it necessary to reveal such a potentially important role on the first day? That time when ... no, not then. Um. Holy crap. The scary thing is we agree again... This is getting almost into the realm of the impossible. I agree about it being useful and have said that a few times. The oddity of the role from a noob voice of god combined with the sudden and reckless announcement of it are the primary issues for me, so we agree on part of that and I never trust day 1 claims. It also may fall in the dumb or scum category, and I've always considered both dangerous. Thanks. I'm sure there's some joke here about horse's megablocks, but I'm still too confused by us agreeing on things to bother finding it. It does, I just think my definition of info is different from yours, and perhaps part of the fault in that confusion was my own, it's just that I prefer to be subtle and hope people will do something stupid, where you seem to like to keep poking at a scab hoping to make it not bleed. That analogy is dead on and makes no sense. Whatever. I think it's safe to say we got some kind of info today, and hopefully that's a good thing. These are good questions I want to see answered (or avoided) before voting. Hint: avoiding is bad. I just like to say horse's megablocks. Plus being able to climb up on one is funny. It's something about shelf height anyway. Look no further for humor. That's where it ends. I ... I was under the impression that the lie-detector results would be publicized after the action being sent in; upon further better reading, it turns out they are sent back to the Lie-detector-person ... I misread your initial quotation I apologize! Based on this, yes my plan is retarded, now had the results been publicaly displayed, my plan was brilliant; should rol-claims not be tested? especially one which could be very useful in the long run. I assert that I am town, and that attacking me makes me feel all sad inside I am not trying to defend anyone, let alone crazy-vet-doctor-lie-detector person. Also yippee-dipee ... not nice! bad hedgehog; my name is Dave!

I think you made a small mistake. I think you mean: Vote: Billie (badboytje88) Yup, too many donuts. Got stuck on the B's. Thanks. Vote: Billie (badboy) ================================== The Heartlake lie detector test: Oscar (Hinckley) claimed Wild Dragon (Dragonator) Dansmith IV (Dannylonglegs) claimed Patty (DarthPotato) Carl (CallMePie) Walter (WaterbrickDown) Dave (Piratedave84) Fred (def) claimed Cece (Cecilie) Daisy (Scubacarrot) won't claim Trisha (TrumpetKing67) claimed lie detector Ginny (Captain Genaro) Tammy (Tamamono) Penny (VolcanicPanik) Shadell (Shadows) Claimed Billie (badboytje88) won't claim Amy (iamded) Katie (PsyKater) Zara (zakura) Heather (fhomess) Matilda (Zepher) Sara (TheBoyWonder) Jane (JackJonespaw) Jimmy (JimButcher) Mike (Bob) I didn't say there was no SK at all, I actually said the opposite. >yawn!< Oh, I love milkshakes. I caught all of that. I said I agreed with it. What I disagree with is that two dead horses means there are two Scum factions. Two dead horses could mean the Scum killed one and the Serial Killer the other. I agree with the bane of my existance, even though he's always mucking up the grounds, unless we have evidence to prove otherwise, while it is fine to entertain and discuss such theories we should not be basing our entire thought processes on them. There could be two sets of evil doers, one and a psychopath, or any other manner of combinations, in fact I am reminded of another dream I had about vikings where two chaps were found dead before an entire event such as this occurerred and there was only one set of baddies. The only reasonable things being tossed around today, unprecidented as they may be, are these lie detecting cookies. Although it's a little late now, as Trisha will be under the scrutiny of those scum amongst us, it would have been great to reserve them for a lie that could have led to more people instead of a more scatter-shot method. Come to think of it, we may be able to make better use of these cookies if we can somehow inter-weave everyone's comments, let me break out the ol' pen and paper and see how this would work. Oh, someone else must have been writing off the possibility that there was no SK. It really looked aimed at this poor tired copper. I kind of think that qualifies as two threats as well, unless you have no reason to fear one of them. At this point, I think it's safe to say that we can all see a lot of possibilities, but I'm of the mind that two deaths are meant to tell us that this isn't going to stop and not much else. As opposed to hanging your hopes on a random guess that the history of games has shown over and over is usually wrong? I'm not saying we shouldn't vote, since it's obviously important that we take action as well as not incur the wrath of the almighty voice, I'm just hoping we can avoid the usual mistake in the process. Sorry if that confused you, and no, I don't know anything because anyone who would actually claim a role at this point would be a complete retard, also based on the past history of games. What I do see is someone doing exactly what I hoped for, however, and claiming to be able to help already. Shame I think it's the most idiotic claim I've ever seen, as I'm sure you agree. Still, it enlightening and causing conversation, which is something we can look back on later for patterns, so I'm happy to see it. We only have your word that you can even read, but if you can, I'd have to imagine that your invisible lady is an invisible lady hedgehog writing in hedgehog language, so maybe you'll get lucky.

This seems crazy, but you did say please and if there is some value to this, it would be silly to pass up the opportunity. I'm innocent You're a snarky little thing, aren't you? Oh well, at least you're adorable and probably not used to having proper manners since you've spent most of your life unable to even speak. I guess we can overlook that since you are obviously trying. As for my comment, it isn't odd at all. I think it's entirely possible that someone could take action during the day and learn something and if they did, I'd much rather we followed that lead before simply jumping to a conclusion based on what people are saying. We all know the success rate of that. Except maybe talking hedgehogs, naturally, so you're excused you cute little thing. That is not claiming innocent, and it's also my copyright, so you'll never be able to show cooperation with that. Vote: Billie (bob) Not aiming for a lynch here, but completely ignoring all that's gone on in thread is the closest thing to an anchor town has so far. It's a good point. I'll take you off the list, since it could be a SK trick. Cooperate or not, that's the best thing to do But Heartlake is obsessed with horses and God knows that the story being about horses being killed would make a nice start. She is a story writer after all. Is it likely the Scum is to continue to kill only horses? Do they Scum have to kill all the horses to win? ... No. Unless God truly misunderstands Mafia, a big fat NO. A serial killer would be going after players in the game. They are as likely to kill people as horses. I doubt there is any predilection towards horses. I think it was just something to start the game off. Oh no. Someone has killed two rare printed horses from the Wild West line. Now what do we do? How do we protect the horsies? I don't think we should pay attention to plot. We may be up against two threats, yes, but I wouldn't write off the possibility of a serial killer so soon. Agreed. That won't work as it's subjective. You're not just claiming Town, you're claiming to be "the towniest" which the oracle won't be able to answer, or lie detector or whatever century we're in. Yes. I beg to differ. It's odd. Unless you know someone who has a Day Action and they're going to use it and share the results with us. Do you know something that will help us? Do you have something to share? Did someone claim a Day Action to you and you're hoping they will use it? You're hoping we follow "that lead: instead of "jumping to conclusions". Forgive my feeble and tiny hedgehog brain, but that seems an awful lot to hang your hopes on considering the history of games...of life. Oh, I found a note: I'm glad the invisible lady agrees with me.

The lie detector is usually a one-off ability. And if in this case it isn't, I'd like Trisha to claim it's a one-off ability . She won't be able to tell us all if we're true, but it's better to give her the choice of who to check. Possible, but why not a serial killer? Conversation is good, but I'm not sure what this speculation really helps us. However, if we're to entertain this, I would imagine each group has three members. If our situation is going to be congruous with history, then we'll be up against 25% of us as the informed minority. Two groups of four gives us an enemy the size of ~ 33% of us. I have never heard of this ability before. I shall go do some research on my computer since I'm the smartest hedgehog here. If the Doctor is telling the truth, perhaps she should shut her mouth about it if she's supposed to do this Action at night. God's sake, at least we've given the protector a likely target. Fred, why do you want her to claim it's a one-shot ability? Seems a bit control freaky to me. If you think she'd be lying if she said it wasn't a one-shot, then aren't you giving her too much of an out to be telling her exactly what you need her to say to believe you? Just trying to figure out the strategy, not being a dick. Hedgehogs are notoriously nice and non-confrontational. While I don't think the Scum would attempt such a risky and exposing gambit on Day One, this is all seeming rather convenient to me... Also, if one was coaching the other, the coaching probably wouldn't be happening in thread, but behind the scenes. Also, this would be an easy Action to fake if there is only one Scum team and they know who is likely to be telling the truth. A little theory about there being two Scum teams might make that gambit seem less possible. Then again, if there are two Scum teams and there are four members and they need to find each other, this sort of public gambit would be the way to find each other. Hedgehogs are also notoriously vocally paranoid. Paranoid ramblings aside, this is giving us a lot to work off of. Not for votes, but for starting to figure out who to trust. It'd be nice to have these two verified quickly to confirm if they are working for the Town. But, it is nice to see people out there and doing things. I hate life when people just sit around and wait for stuff to happen. I think this is off to a very good start. Because I doubt a SK would have the same predilection for horses... and that God, in their infinite wisdom, loves to tease details. We'll know a lot more on day two, if and when a SK appears. They always appear in these situations it seems. If there are two groups, then they are working at odds with each other. They are not united against us. So, it would be 65% against two teams of 18% each. Which is fair, and possibly unfair against the scum among us, since they will have to go against the other side. It's all hypothesising, but fair to make on this first day. Who knows if I'll even be around tomorrow to share my thoughts. I think it's good to get these things out in the open for the sake of the Katies.