StickFig

OK, cool, wasn't sure if I was missing something. Loving the new Veterans picture!

Was there a group photo? Did I miss it? I can't find it in the quest or the hall.

At least you connected fhomess and me - despite me never being let into confidence fully, it was super helpful to hear some of his ideas in PM! I did my best to alleviate it, but there is just no way to avoid it. I was thinking that the whole game, but it's so risky! If there is a town miller already, then at best you can claim first and cause a big fight, but it'll all be over when they flip town on the next morning.

I'm not - I'm desperate to lynch scum. But you seem awful desperate not to get lynched, which is scummy. And, since you also seem to be conveniently overlooking what I've said, here it is laid out nicely: Note the explicit callout where I even tagged you by name. Note what I said about your scummy attempt to lynch a townie yesterday, and your lateness to the party for lynching a scum.

Yes, yes, fine, he voted (how strict are we being on formatting?) before me, but the very first reply in this thread is me calling you out. Scum.

It's almost like you haven't read anything else I've posted in this thread. Feigned indignation does not suit you. Difficult to jump a bandwagon I started.

Vote: Eleventh Doctor (Lady K)

Not sure how my mistake adds up to my miller claim, but whatever. Yup. He said up front that he was OK with the Sattler vote and did it when town was ready, instead of putting forth a bunch of reasons for it and then not doing it until everyone else did and the lynch was already done. Which is what you did. You're all correct; he's not technically cleared (as far as I know), but I can't imagine scum doing that. If he is scum, then he had an incredible chance to more or less win the game by pushing us all into a town lynch yesterday. But he didn't. And if you look before today, you will not find me defending him, but I just can't see a scum doing what he did yesterday and still winning. Which means I can't imagine someone as experienced as him doing it, if he is scum. So I don't think he is any more. However, I can certainly imagine a scum getting caught as the only vote remaining on someone they knew was town and then having to make a terrible decision about whether to leave their vote where it was, or move it to try to avoid suspicion. ... I've just realized, I can also quite easily imagine the scum killer taking out Khscarymovie4 just to show that he was town so that we would go after the people who voted for him yesterday. Or I can imagine them taking out Khscarymovie4 because he was the only one left voting against Bob - if Bob is scum.

As far as I'm concerned, @Bob may as well be confirmed town based on yesterday, and I have little suspicion for @fhomess. @Lady K, care to give us a reason we shouldn't lynch you today? That vote for Mrs. Sattler came a mite late for my taste.

This is what I get for playing when I should have been sleeping... I call out the wrong player, and I fail to properly cross reference the lists. Ahh yes, please coalesce around the all-powerful Bob, everyone.

Dangit, I got you and LegoMonorailFan mixed up. My apologies. So, I'll point this out again.... @LegoMonorailFan, everyone who voted for you on Day 1 is dead. Care to comment? Vote: Ellie Sattler (LegoMonorailFan)

From your point of view, it's a claim. From my point of view, I've stated exactly what my role said. There is nothing else to say. My role doesn't say "loyal cosplay miller", it says "town miller". But I don't think you care. I think you're scum, looking to take out one more town vote.

I've already told everyone what my role is. Town miller. You know what I just noticed, Lady K? Everyone who voted for you is now dead. ........

I bring up something about another player, and I'm suspicious because I noticed it? Lady K is the only one who uses that term ever.

I left my vote on Bob because I think he's scum and I didn't think Oroku was. There was no need of my vote for a lynch. No one else seems to share my suspicions about Bob, unfortunately. In any case, if I had moved my vote once the lynch was sealed, then you'd be asking me why I bandwagoned. You voted for a townie; I didn't. Why do you keep saying loyal cosplayer instead of just town? Are you a scum who actually believes that's what the town is called in their roles?

I keep hoping that the night actions will build enough momentum for a town block to come out publicly. Being the miller sucks, because there's no chance of ever being "on the inside" of town. I hope the six of you are right about Oroku. If we lynch her, then someone else gets killed tonight, @Rider Raider will get auto-lynched tomorrow (5 penalty votes) if he doesn't vote soon!

Thinking out loud, playing WIFOM here. (I had to look that acronym up, new one on me but I like it. Inconceivable!) Mad-Eye was scum. So, he probably called out (and voted) for town. Except that he knew we would expect that, so he might have called out scum, except that he knew we might expect that.... 1) In the death throes, Mad-Eye called out Oroku and Superman. Then, he reiterated with a vote against Oroku, even when it was clear that that vote didn't matter in the slightest. 2) We expect scum to pretend to be town right up until they are dead. Mad-Eye did that, noting that his vote against Oroku was to "follow form" and not get penalty votes. But in reality, there was no reason for Mad-Eye to vote so late. It did not matter in the slightest. All it did was remind us of Oroku. 3) I think it's a ploy - that is, I think that Mad-Eye was trying to get us to lynch Oroku today. He made as big a deal out of it as possible yesterday, hoping we would think he was trying to hide a scum in plain sight. 4) As Superman noted, Mad-Eye is experienced in Mafia. I think the push against Oroku is an elaborate ploy to hide a different scum in plain sight. Superman. We lynch Oroku, she flips town, we ignore Superman, scum are happy. Do I have any more evidence on this? No. But it is nagging at me. ---------------- Another thought: if we (the town) have a blocker, they had no reason to (publicly) counter Mad-Eye's claim yesterday, since the lynch formed quickly and decisively. Today, either 1) they actually did block Chell on night 2, or 2) they haven't seen any reason or any safe way to contest what I was told in PM.

Of course Mad-Eye knew that, and so did you, and so do most of the players here. What I'm suggesting is that Mad-Eye did it on purpose. No one could possibly suspect someone that the scum tried to draw attention to! Vote: Superman (Bob) As you said after your vote, I'm still interested to hear any actual results from a watcher, investigator, etc. Fluff posts, like these three examples, are actively detrimental to town because they make for more reading without adding anything to the discussion. Anything detrimental to town is either 1) a mistake or 2) a scum.

I think Moody was casting suspicion on you, so that when we found out he was scum, we wouldn't look too closely at Superman. Thanks for another scummy fluff post that says nothing. You know that? Or you are speculating? If the watcher saw whoever killed Wonder Woman, we (the town) need to know, now.

OK, I realize I was not as clear as I thought in my post: what I was told is that Chell was blocked on night 2, and since there were no kills night 2, she must be the scum killer. I am not accusing her as such (well, not directly), I'm just passing along what I have been told. I hope that the person who told me is now in contact with the real town block; in any case, this is not necessarily meant to start a mob against Chell, but to pass along an idea to the town block of who to investigate/block/etc if they haven't already figured this out. As I've said before, I don't expect the town block to trust me/let me into the block/PM me because as the miller I can't be properly cleared. But someone (I am hoping because of inexperience and not scummy-ness) sent me this PM and I want that information to not get lost. Regardless, I am beginning to wonder if we even have a town vig. I have to assume that Wonder Woman was a scum kill (duh), and I don't think jluck (sorry, I can't even remember who he was cosplaying as) makes sense as a vig kill, so that's another scum kill. If Chell - or, if I'm being lied to, then whoever our blocker actually blocked on night 2 - is the scum killer, then we can take action. And we can look long and hard at who jluck voted for to see if there are any clues to why he was selected night 1. Anyway, if Chell has been investigated, I want to know it. If the town blocker didn't block Chell on night 2, I want to know it. As I mentioned above, I think it's odd that Mad-Eye and Chell were so against one another if they were both scum.

Almost prescient there. @Lady K, you placed a safe vote against Mad-Eye on day 1. Maybe trying to gain distance from fellow scum? OK, so I (and I assume most other townies) took this at face value before. Now we know that this is what the scum wanted us to think. Was jluck a vig kill? (Don't answer that, town vig or whoever else might know! I'm just trying to help everyone think.) More importantly, I heard it through the grapevine (in the PM I mentioned yesterday, thankfully no one has PMed me since then) that @fhomess is the scum killer. I don't know whether I believe it at all, but I want the information out there. At first I was afraid that scum told me so that I would out someone else, but I figure there are only a couple of options: 1) Chell is scum, in which case good riddance, or 2) The scum want me to think Chell is scum, and telling everyone that I was told Chell is the scum killer doesn't help them since the scum told me in the first place. 3) Chell is not scum, and someone in town is spreading the rumor that they are, because??? I can't figure out why. Note that two of the three options are Chell is not scum, and that Chell and Mad-Eye have been antagonistic to each other throughout the game. @Bob, I'm trying so hard not to meta-game here but you sound so, so so scummy. Was Mad-Eye just protecting you?

Uhhh, I think you understand, but this is not really clear. The investigator starts the town block by investigating people and then PMing them once he knows they are safe. Which is why I'll never be added to the town block - I investigate as scum, despite the fact that I am town. The cop/investigator shouldn't trust me. Which makes it a little weird that a "town block" did reach out to me. Certainly. I received the PM about another blocker before mostlytechnic claimed it. When I received the message, I thought it must be scum trying to get me to start something to take the heat off mostlytechnic. When she claimed blocker, I had to rethink that idea because scum certainly wouldn't tell me that ...someone else... was blocked and then let mostlytechnic claim she blocked Oruku. Competing stories that don't line up means someone here is scum (or at least lying; after Finn I have to believe that anything is possible).

That is possible, though unlikely because forming a town block as anyone other than the investigator is risky. Typically a town block forms because the investigator reaches out to the people he has investigated and knows are town. What is not possible is that mostlytechnic is the town blocker and blocked Oruku, and someone else was the town blocker and blocked ...someone else. Unless there are two blockers, which seems unlikely in such a small group.

It does. However, there is definitely a fake town block. More to follow. This is so interesting, because I was told in PM by "another town block" that ...someone else, not Oruku... was blocked on night 2. Gonna claim there are two roleblockers? Do the scum have a killer and a roleblocker? At the very least, we have two competing "town blocks", one of which is lying. It's happening. Do I think it happened to Wonder Woman? Not sure. Yeah, no. SK is a rare role. You sound more and more like squirming scum. That makes me think that the PM I received might be the scum trying to goad me into something stupid. You sound so scummy when you talk like this. Are you uneasy about voting for a teammate?