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  3. Posted

    Just now, Lind Whisperer said:

     

    This has already been hypothesized, by myself upthread.

    I was asked why I keep mentioning Deanna as my second suspect. If you mentioned it before, congratulations.

    As for you, stop hiding behind "I promised Data to vote blahblah", because that's a copout and the more you repeat it the less honest it sounds.

  4. Posted

    In short, the reason why I suspect Deanna is that she won't go through with a Wesley lynch. She keeps avoiding it by directing suspicions towards other players, or jumping on ill-advised bandwagons, like the one started by Wesley to get rid of Data. A scum might want to profit from the feud between Wesley and myself (assuming in this case that Wesley is town) by keeping us alive until the end, in which case it's obvious that we will keep fighting and he'll just pick one of us for the win -- scum win. It's a bit far-fetched, but nothing that Deanna wouldn't be capable of.

    That said, I still lean more towards Wesley-scum.

  5. Posted

    No scum would give up an easy lynch, yet I'm focused on Wesley when he's obviously not an easy lynch. :look: Look at it any way you want, my behavior since the start of this game is nothing like what scum would do.

    I have the ability to post, but definitely not the time and computer to review multiple pages of posts and all that usual stuff. So there, you have me at a disadvantage.

    That said, time is running out and we're giving scum the opportunity to choose for us. Won't you guys just make up your minds?

  6. Posted

    2 hours ago, Hinckley said:

     

    I call bullocks. Both Wesley and Deanna keep saying that I'm focused on Wesley without considering other options, but I remember having four suspects on day 2, and now my second biggest suspect is Deanna, as mentioned a couple of times. But let's ignore that, shall we? Also I didn't say that people should be doing the brainwork for me. I have taken care of that, but if you'd like me to change my mind then give me good reasons for that. Nothing that I have read so far makes me more suspicions of anyone else.

    I'm not saying that Wesley isn't clever or devious, quite the contrary. But it's Beverly who put him in a difficult position, and regardless of any PM conversations Wesley had little control over how Beverly would behave publicly and how it would all come across.

  7. Posted

    Ha this is so rich. On the one hand if I'm focusing on Wesley I'm being tunnel minded. On the other hand if I raise concerns about anyone else, like Deanna, then I'm lining her up for the lynch because I'm a scummy scum. You know what? I only have one vote, and it's my right to focus on anyone. It's how the game is played. Give me a good reason to vote for someone else and I will. But nobody has yet. And you haven't convinced me to vote for myself yet.

  8. Posted

    You're  starting to distort the truth. Look back at day one and read it carefully. I laid out my case against Beverly and kept at it, arguing with her until she was gone. I didn't just place a poke vote then forgot about it.

    Wesley dismissed my case against Beverly and went in a different direction. Basic mafia rules tell that suspicious behavior must be tested. If you (town) are not going to do it, it's not for my lack of trying.

    I do have other suspects, as I mentioned before. Someone even said that I was lining up Deanna for a lynch down the road. Yes, if there's anyone freaking out and shuffling the cards in this game it's Deanna. She keeps switching votes and being indecisive, which is just like her but also quite over the top in this game. I do think that a Scum is bound to profit from two Townies arguing against each other without the situation being settled. With barely enough players left, a desperate plan would be to lynch Wesley and me, then Deanna before not enough townies are left. Does that make sense?

  9. Posted

    How convenient is it that Welsey would choose to go after me on the day I announced I would be less present. That's certainly not scummy at all. But it must be a coincidence, right? :sweet:

    Anyway, you go on lynching townie after townie until there's none left. The reason I'm intent on lynching Wesley is that's he's my main suspect since Day 2 and for some reason he's still around. A real Scum wouldn't be focused on anyone in particular, as long as Townies keep getting lynched. Like what Wesley is going for, switching targets day after day. Deanna as well for that matter. Wake up Town. :hmpf_bad:

    Before I forget:

    Vote: Wesley

    Vote: extend day

  10. Posted

    I'm not gone, just pretty busy with a trip coming and lots to get done before I can leave. Lame excuses I know.

    I'm sorry about this, Wesley, but although I feel bad for lynching you it's still necessary as the suspicion will always remain. You say that you haven't done anything scummy after Day One, but it's obvious that a single scum can say anything they want -- they don't have anyone left to protect-defend-avoid whatever term you want to use there. It's a lot harder to find the last scum in a game. That's why Day One conversations are so important.

    The problem is not that Wesley isn't a terrific and devious player. What happened is that Beverly put him in a bad position by her awkward roleplay. I thought it might have been an attempt at dissociating the two by underscoring how unlikely it was that both Crushers would be part of the scum team. It could have been a good idea. It turned poorly for Beverly, and  now we need to verify the theory that was being tested.

    Don't you all forget that Wesley is one of the, if not the deviousest scummy scum to ever have played on EB. He can be very convincing, which obviously plays against him when he's playing as a honest Townie. Jut like Troikley.

  12. Posted

    Hmm no I don't want to give scum a night kill.

    Vote: Wesley Crusher.

    Vote: extend the day.

    We can use the time to watch our deepest emotions bubble to the surface (like true Klingons) and maybe change our minds about the lynchee. Also plan our next move, just in case. We don't have the benefit of certitude in this game.

    *certainty* stupid computer.

  17. Posted

     

    55 minutes ago, Pandora said:

    Forg you are delightful yet exhausting.

    No comment. :snicker:

     

    55 minutes ago, Pandora said:

    If you really think it's not over and we'll be back here tomorrow, have you spent much/any time considering other candidates as the remaining scum, or is it me or no-one? 

    Oh if there's a day after today, I will be here for you! :tongue: I have been thinking about other candidates but with the debate focused on Geordi and you today I have noticed some people keeping a low profile. We will have to take that into account as well if we keep playing tomorrow.

  18. Posted

     

    20 hours ago, Hinckley said:

    But...and I'm forcing this but...if Wesley is Town, I think this is a logical thing to say as if he was successful in steering a vote to Picard and Beverly wasn't lynched and Picard did flip Town, he's exactly right, we'd all look at Beverly and Wesley as Scum buddies.

    I agree, but the timing is wrong. Wesley said he would be associated with Beverly right as the day ended and Beverly was history, and there was no reasonable chance of still steering the lynch to Picard.

     

    20 hours ago, Hinckley said:

    But, Forg, look at this Scummy voting position of Geordi:

    Yes, I thought that was scummy all along, I think it was in my first post today. It would appear that the vote has gone to Geordi anyway, so we'll know shortly. If he's really scum, I'll be relieved and rather surprised at such a short game. But I'm pretty sure we're not done yet.

     

    13 hours ago, Darkdragon said:

    Strutting onto the bridge, stretches and yawns.

    "What did I miss? Are we at Risa yet?" 

    You sound different today. CONVERSION! SCUM! :tongue:

     

  19. Posted

    On 2/23/2020 at 1:21 PM, Pandora said:

    Well, I was thinking about that after I saw Forg posted the same question yesterday - it was after the day had ended so I couldn't respond. It was a lot of what you said, but it was more that I was worried that attention would swing on to me in a "why are you defending her? do you know something we don't? You must be scum to be so sure she's town, let's lynch you instead" kinda way. I really thought that Mom was being lynched for the wrong reasons, but clearly she was actually scum.

    What you're saying today makes perfect sense, but what you said yesterday was, and I quote:  " This'll get spun into "Wesley and Beverly are scum buddies" but I don't care. "... Which sounds like you knew Beverly would flip Scum. It certainly didn't sound like you truly believed Beverly was Town. :look:

     

    On 2/23/2020 at 3:11 PM, Pandora said:

    I would also think that someone like Mom wouldn't be so obvious as to claim a mother and son scum combo in the day thread if it were actually true.

    I don't know, to me it sounds like a great plan. :look: It wasn't only the roleplay that killed Beverly.

     

    On 2/23/2020 at 3:11 PM, Pandora said:

    I disagree that townie me should have pushed to lynch Mom straight away, partly because townie me didn't, and partly because that would have been a massive over-reaction to someone I thought was town. The perceived connection only bothers me now that I know she's scum. If I saw she was being lynched and I was scum I would have worked harder to distance myself from her yesterday and, yes, probably voted to lynch her.

    Maybe you didn't really believe she would be lynched until it was too late? Obviously you thought that Town was over-reacting to Beverly's roleplaying, and that the reasoning was shaky. So much that you pushed in another direction, thinking that you could steer the votes towards Picard (as Townie-Welsey) or away from Beverly (as Scum-Welsey). Turning around at the last minute and bussing Beverly might have raised more eyebrows.

     

    9 hours ago, Hinckley said:

    Here's the way I see it.

    Wesley was, in fact, not acting Scummy. Yes, I play with my emotions still.

    Geordi was also on my suspect list this morning, so I guess it's okay if we lynch him. I still believe lynching Wesley is the way to go, but I'll let you play with your emotions. Go where your heart is! :wub:

    That said Deanna, if both Geordi and Wesley are Town, you're next on the chopping block for an obvious attempt at stalling this game! :tongue: Wesley is not the only one who always suspects you no matter what! :grin:

  21. Posted

    20 minutes ago, Pandora said:

    Well, I was thinking about that after I saw Forg posted the same question yesterday - it was after the day had ended so I couldn't respond. It was a lot of what you said, but it was more that I was worried that attention would swing on to me in a "why are you defending her? do you know something we don't? You must be scum to be so sure she's town, let's lynch you instead" kinda way. I really thought that Mom was being lynched for the wrong reasons, but clearly she was actually scum. When I accused you of metagaming I was accusing you not defending her, and I said as much. Mom very kindly spun it as me defending her, though. A nice little touch, but perhaps a little too obvious to do with a scum chum (I petition for them to be renamed as such).

     

    That's precisely what has me worried. Why did you defend her? Defending an unknown player on Day One in a game where lynches are our only investigative tool... that was a pretty dangerous courageous play.

    I know my case against Beverly wasn't that solid, but you sounded so sure that I was misled, because... because you had a better understanding of what Beverly really meant when she went on with her odd roleplaying? It's hard to build a strong case against anyone on Day One, so what did you expect?

    There was nothing for you to gain by taking Beverly's side this early in the game, and a lot to lose if you were wrong. Unless she was your scum chum, she was getting some heat and to top it all she had already made weird comments about how you two might or might not form a Scum team together. :wacko: I think that as a Townie you should have pushed to lynch Beverly right away, to disprove this perceived connection between the both of you.

     

    Vote: extend the day.

    *...between the two of you.*

  22. Posted

    Good. Beverly had no honour, trying to lynch absent players. :sadnew:

    Let's see who's on my suspect list.

     

    On 2/20/2020 at 7:52 PM, mostlytechnic said:

    Well, everyone needing awakened has already been poked. So instead, I'll 

    Vote: Picard (Kristel)

    because who else would Q pick to be scummy than our captain? 

     

    On 2/20/2020 at 8:02 PM, Kristel said:

    Anyone other than me.  Q has his fun by making me squirm while I try and figure out what he has done.  It's not me.

    That short exchange looked scripted to me. Beverly cast a vote based on nothing, basically roleplaying. Picard replied really quickly to Beverly, they were on the bridge at the same moment. That could have been Scum voting for Scum in order to muddle voting pattern analysis down the road.

     

    Second suspect, Data.

    On 2/22/2020 at 6:43 AM, Trekkie99 said:

    Yeah. 100%, but I really don't wanna lynch MT two games in a row on day one. :cry_sad:

    He turned around eventually to cast the 4th vote on Beverly. The metagamy reason for not wanting to lynch Beverly was... sweet but odd.

     

    Third suspect, Geordi:

    On 2/22/2020 at 11:20 AM, KotZ said:

    As others have mentioned, I'm not sure why Beverly voted to extend the day, once it had been approved by the computer. Virtue signalng or whatever the equivalent to looking helpful is?

    Vote: William Riker (LadyK)

    Due to Riker not showing up, that's my choice for lynch. If we vote out someone else, like Beverly, and Riker doesn't show and is sent out of the airlock, at worst we are down two town members. If we just vote out Riker, we have a better chance of surviving. Then, Beverly who is acting scummy as hell, can be on the chopping block. 

    As mentioned before, suspects Beverly but doesn't put his vote where his mouth is. Will eventually cast the final vote on Beverly, was he bussing her to win in the long run?

     

    Last suspect, Wesley Crusher:

    On 2/21/2020 at 2:48 PM, Pandora said:

    Metagaming much? :look:

    That's Wesley replying to Deanna before any votes were cast on Beverly. Deanna pointed a finger at Beverly for trying to avoid a lynch like in a previous game.

     

    On 2/21/2020 at 8:07 PM, mostlytechnic said:

    Thanks for defending me, son. Oh shoot, did I just out us as the scum team? I mean, that would be just like Q to team us up. Or maybe he'd split our family so one of us has to kill the other. Dang, now I'm getting confused. 

    That bit of roleplaying was pretty odd and uncalled for. Was Beverly trying to emphasize her (character) relationship to Wesley in order to make it appear less likely that they would be together in the Scum team?

     

    On 2/22/2020 at 6:42 AM, Pandora said:

    You're probably gonna have to use the :sarcasm_hmpf: a bit more Mom.

    Ok, so it wasn't just Geordi who thought that.

    I love you Mom, but I wasn't defending you, it was more a reaction to Deanna. Please don't kill me Mom, I'll tidy my room!

    Then Wesley replied, partly defending his mom, partly trying to sound like he's not. Then he cast a vote for Picard, after a thorough analysis. Trying to steer the heat away from Beverly after two votes were cast on her?

     

    17 hours ago, Pandora said:

    I have no love for Mom outside of the usual Son/Mom relationship for the sake of roleplaying, and if I think she's sided with Q I'll push her out the airlock myself. Right now I think everyone is over-reacting to some sarcastic comments Mom made, and some role playing too. It's a band wagon with poor reasoning, and I'm not getting on.

    This'll get spun into "Wesley and Beverly are scum buddies" but I don't care. There's no third party, there are no night actions, there's nothing to be disingenuous about, no reason to hide my true thoughts.

     

    16 hours ago, Fugazi said:

    Why would you be worried about being associated with Beverly, if you're pretty sure she's Town and we'll know her alignment by tomorrow, at this rate?

    This bit is self-explanatory.
     

    At this point, my best guess is Wesley.

    Vote Wesley (Pandora).

    4 minutes ago, Hinckley said:

    Yeah, about that...

    Right. So, this absolutely has to be considered now. You clearly posted that you did not think she had sided with Q. Side note: I don't think anybody has chosen to side with Q. He just snapped his finger and made two of us involuntarily Scum. Anyway... as Forg pointed out, why would you be concerned about being associated if Beverly if you thought she was Town? This is going to get scrutiny today, because we'd be stupid Townies not to look into it. I could see a Townie, and specifically you, thinking far enough ahead of how people react to things and getting the thoughts out there. I act similarly. And when you're a Townie, there's no reason not to put your thoughts out there because you have no reason to lie and you're trying to move the game along. Especially since we have nothing else to work off in this game. But! This could also be seen as Scum Perspective, forgetting that being associated with someone you believe is not Scum isn't a bad thing. And I'm going to pre-argue against my own point there by saying I also understand that when you defend somebody in this game, you expect scrutiny, and since you could only guess that Beverly might be Town, the actual case scenario you were laying out was people turning on both of you, regardless of your or Beverly's alignment, because you seemed to have defended her. 

    So, no need to respond. I appear to have given you your own defense. *huh* It's been a long weekend and I'm still waking up here.

    Can I also say that I never caught the sarcasm or humor in Beverly's posts? Unfortunate for her that our senses of humor aren't in alignment or she may have gotten away with it. I was feeling pretty stupid when I read her response and if they day had had more time left in it, and I'd have been more sober, I may have tried to rally people to switch over to Kyle.

    :snicker: I meant Worf, although I think I'll be calling him Forg from now on.

    Forg :laugh:

    I agree with your analysis. In another life, I would have liked for Wesley to be investigated or something. But our only option to test suspicions now is to lynch. So unless there are more compelling candidates... :sad:

  23. Posted

    8 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said:

    Really? Bob's been asking and hasn't gotten any takers. So it seems to me like a nice thing to help the host out by lynching the absent person 

    But how does that help us? I have the feeling that you're assuming that Riker is Town. Do you know that Riker is Town? If Riker is Scum Bob can't just allow him to be lynched and seriously mess the game balance, right?

  24. Posted

    13 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said:

    Seriously? Day 1 is always joking and role playing. That's all. Of COURSE I know the roles are all random. I was freaking JOKING about Picard being Q's pick and the bad logic and Wes and I and all that stuff.  

    Mmm okay... Maybe you should use a few more emoticons for us thick Klingons who take everything seriously. :sceptic:

     

    20 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said:

    I made my vote to share my opinion. Would you rather I just have said "yep, I like extending too" without placing the vote? That seems silly. And yes, you've nailed why I voted Riker. Someone not being around AT ALL indicates something going on real-world, not any indication of alignment. Therefore, get rid of them rather than deal with replacement players or lynching someone else and still losing the missing player.  

    But Riker hasn't played at all. He never started the game. Regardless of his alignment he will probably be replaced at the end of the day, because neither Town or Scum should be punished for him not showing up.

  25. Posted

    49 minutes ago, Pandora said:

    This'll get spun into "Wesley and Beverly are scum buddies" but I don't care. There's no third party, there are no night actions, there's nothing to be disingenuous about, no reason to hide my true thoughts. 

    Why would you be worried about being associated with Beverly, if you're pretty sure she's Town and we'll know her alignment by tomorrow, at this rate?