Langston Lionheart

Well, glad to see Hell-ena gone. At least the vig hit one non-town member. It is worrying how our efforts to protect the vig's identity yesterday were moot, though. Maybe the scum just got lucky, though it's just as likely the vig's name was leaked. The watcher Happy-sought to terror-friends hippo was talking to is possible, but I did notice that Hoppy was the one to approach Panck (as he himself says), so I wonder if Hell-ena confided the vig's identity to Panck. Hell-ena seemed very certain Barkonius was scum, so she might have assumed (and made a late night decision) that Panck was the true protector and sought to ensure the vig was protected (which obviously did not happen). I think the best choice today is to lynch Pancake, as I think it's more likely that there's a doctor/bodyguard and a one-shot than two bodyguards, especially since they seemed to have been totally ineffective thus far this game. The one-shot seems well explained enough, and seeing that Barkioni was town, it's logical that this makes Panck scum. Vote: Drubulum Panck It's also very weird that Twattsy-toodles offered herself up for lynch yesterday. It doesn't ever seem like a good idea for a townie to offer themselves for lynch, so this is either scum or dumb.

Well, my vote on Barkonius is proof that I've not quit and is hope that we can prevent you from outing our power roles. Well, my line of thought there was that you're not quitting because there's more to you than just "I'm nothing but the empty half of a whole now", so you had a reason to continue fighting as opposed to continue fighting for pride and respect alone. You're a lioness trapped in a corner, left with just her sharp teeth (wait, I'm the lion, whatever, hippos have scary teeth, too). But, now, you've gained my respect for your survival instincts, I hope you don't lose it if you screw the town later, since respect is what you care for now.

Holy Jesus f-ing Christ. I've been unsure how to proceed with Helenapotamous, pondering on what the hell to do. If town's to win she must die, though lynching her might seriously cripple our power. She obviously has more up her sleeve, she wouldn't be left high and dry with her partner killed. She either needs another night to rebuild her forces or something happens on Day Six that she wants (as she's said). She's a risk and blocks the town's chances of winning. Without relying on the speculation above, I don't see why she wants to continue. For the giggles? To screw everybody? Well, she's holding the town by its Philosopher's Balls and lets not forget she wants to get rid of the Odor Eaters, too; after all, they killed her sister. Your ability to recruit would only be possible upon the loss of your sister (or vice versa). Losing her, you'd obviously be punished, so it was better to try and save her, but like I said before, I can't imagine her death would leave you on your knees waiting for death. There's gotta be a "if one of you dies, then..." So it all comes down to this. Lynch her and potentially ruin our chances at winning, but snuff out this third party problem right away, or let her live risking her to gain the night/nights she needs to potentially ruin us also, but it might really be that she's dead in the water and we can use her unorthodox, but admirable fight to live to help us catch the scum, and then we try and kill her (and whoever she might have converted or whatever) once we've dealt with the Odor Eaters, though that depends if Helenpiñata doesn't screw us by working with the scum later on. This is one bleeding predicament to work out. It helps, though, that Helena has already (well, seemingly at least), started on the search for scum. Even if she's holding our PR's by their Philosopher's balls, she is (again it seems like) working with them, so we can at least hope this leads us to finally catching an Odor Eater. On the watcher's words, and Helepeña's judgement, it looks like Barkyponies is the closest scum suspect we have today. As much as I'd like to see Happy Terrorist Hippo dead, the risk of the watcher and vig being outed (two crucial roles we cannot lose if we want a hope to catch scum confidently) outweighs the speculated risk of letting Hell-ena live. That the watcher thinks Barky's the scummier choice, I think that's our best choice at this point, barring our neutral, gray Hippopawpawpaw. The result tomorrow will hopefully be Odor Eater, but if it's not, we at least have some other choices to choose from as a result of this debacle of a day. Vote: Barkonius Twitch

Why do we have to wait until after voting starts? Isn't the beginning of the day specifically for discussions such as this? I can understand if you're not physically able to, but "after voting starts" is still odd (unless that's when you're only physically able to). Does something happen after voting starts ? I'd prefer to discuss things as much as we can, so I'd rather hear "as soon as we're ready" or something like that...Unless you're trying to force us to look at other people while we wait, which I agree should be done, but it is a manipulative thing to do and would (I think) lessen the current heat on you. Helena being scum doesn't make sense, but after all this, I'm not ready to call her town either.

Hmm, Goatrick I was iffy on, but it sucks to lose another OotP On the flip side the SK is dead...at least I can be sure since the water jug is likely attributed to our bath-toaster killer...which makes me wonder why Helena was sure of Plutoponia's townieness. Hopefully she'll come with some answers. On top of kill speculation already raised, the vig might have chosen not to kill, too unsure who to choose, perhaps?

Well, I don't think she means that there're nine scum, just that there are OE's among the voters. Well, it does not seem like a scum ploy on Helena's part, because it would be a pretty stupid one. Plus, Godric I suspected for some time, so the choice is easy. Unvote: Purplonia Pink Vote: Godric Goaty-Blather

Oh you're a girl? Sorry Twattsy !! Anyway, I just realized saying roller-coaster was not the right word, I thought you had voted for Krup again at another point, but you only remained sort of suspicious of Krup on Day 2 (though I do think you said he should be lynched, at some point, later in the day, so maybe that's where I got rollercoaster, since you seemed to be bouncing around Krup, Wong, and sorta Snarky a lot the first two days). Also, roller-coastering means to be (in this context) suspicious of somebody, dropping that person for somebody, coming back, then dropping again. Which you didn't quite do, but the "Krup should be lynched later" comments made me think so. It pinged me a bit then, but I can't find much more suspicious to it now, thanks for replying. Interesting about Pwusypony's comment on the lead (which is actually "Most tangible lead so far!"), though not all that incriminating, I mean, you did ask if people wanted to hear who was talking with you earlier . Looking back, there is a bit of an absence from when you first presented the case and when you were asked to explain the conversation, and make your subsequent vote for Krup. One would sort of expect you to follow up on the lead after announcing instead of leaving a day gap until you were sort of pressured to explain. Mind explaining the absence? You sound quite disappointed that more people aren't voting for me. This would be alright, but you didn't really respond to my reply to you, so you just unvoted because you got called out on splitting the vote. Splitting the vote is bad, yes, but Pancky Pancake's comment was probably a bit premature as we still have a day left to discuss, and you should at least provide a better explanation for an unvote (also vote, besides saying that I'm forgettable to you...that hurts my feelings )besides that it isn't going to happen. That would make premature acts on both your parts. Yeah, this vote's for me, and I shouldn't be arguing against an unvote , but it's an unvote that pings me.

First off, apologies for my absence, big cats sleep a lot (I was also preoccupied yesterday ) But here are my thoughts from a day of looking around: Seeing that Krup is town, I'm looking at Twaddles who first brought him up. At the time, I thought that (once I believed Krup to be town) Twiddles might have been setting Krup up. It would be a good oportunity for an OE to do, especially in the beginning. He sorta roller coasters on Krup, going to Wong and also Snarky. Through his discourse, though, I haven't found anything overly suspicious about Mousey Twiddle-dee and he seems more townie, but I thought it is worth mentioning. Godric I certainly do have suspicions about, ever since his odd first vote, and hasn't been overly intelligent in his contributions thus far. I'm not sure if that makes him dumb or scum, though. His first post today, though is pinging me, as he's both surprised that Wong is not scum or 3rd party (which is more bizarre) and starts off right away willing to answer questions against him. His latest post is sort of reassuring, but can also be seen as scummy. Belinda Bugs I have not heard much from, she has been truly under the radar. Posting only twice yesterday, once today (so far), and thrice Day one (plus a fluffy beginning post). She seems to focus mainly on Wong both Day 1 and 2, though she does, at the end of both days, end up switching away from Wong. She switched Day 2 to Godric, because she saw his vote for Wong contradictory (votes yet thinks he's a scared townie), which is fair, I suppose, but she doesn't give much reason of giving up her vote on Wong. For now, I'm going to Vote: Belinda Bugglesby, if anything to get her talking more, but also because I think she's just a low laying Odor Eater (which I think there are others, such as Timly-stwee, but she's the lowest). Points brought up against Rutherford are interesting. He has been rather middle of the pack. He did place a vote for Krup yesterday, reasoning he doesn't want him to get away and sticks with his vote on him, but now we see that Krup is town, Ruthy is pretty suspicious. Nicholas Dickourice also shared the same sentiment about not wanting Krup to get away. He switches to Wong after Catalina reveals about Wong's lies. He, like Rutherford, is pretty suspicious in his middle ground behavior. Gertrude and Purplonia both are being odd, I think Pwupwonwia more so than Gayintrude, especially with her stronger reactions to being accused. Purplonia has been pretty defensive throughout the day and seems like we touched a nerve with her. Some contradictory things happening with Purplonia, too: This is a bit hypocritical, calling out Orion for not offering anything (when has done so), yet not offering any of your own except for Gertrude. And calling out somebody for their character trait isn't one either (I know it's probably a joke ). Speculation is totally fine. If anything it gets everybody talking, even if it's wrong. To mention it and then withhold it is scummy. From your first quote, it seems to be implied that you think the gladiator role could not be scum. Not that "in this instance it isn't scum", but that it's just not scum, so the two quotes don't quite match up. You're either throwing out defenses haphazardly or you're just not being clear. On the gladiator role, that's the nature of the curse. You choose yourself and an opponent. As a scum role, it helps to put them in a good light, since it assumingly appears more often as a town role (as it did this time) and thus clear them, which was the base of my argument against Wong. It also saved his life, which would be a benefit as both a scum/town position. So I'm not sure how "it makes no sense" when it seems pretty simple So you're just willfully turning a blind eye to it, not wanting to get too tied with lynching a townie (as you keep pointing out Gertrude did and your "told you so" this morning), or just being stubborn about your opinion, which is not always helpful. Actually, Unvote: Belinda Bertrude, since she is probably better off to the vigilante than a lynch, so instead I'm going to Vote: Purplonia Pink, because of her strong defensive behavior today and some odd contradictions, but I might change if I find anybody more so, Ruthy is a close second, followed by Godric; there's enough time in the day. Today is much tougher to decide on who to vote for, but we at least have a pretty big pool to pick from. Though, what I'm asking myself is who being lynched would bring us the most information, or are they all along the same lines at this point ? There's just the Purplonia v Gertrude and Godric v. Ruthford (as Bearbutt mentioned, I believe). Either of those will probably get us the most out of today. I find that it's better to think like a scum to catch a scum, which I think a lot of us try to (or should) do. I don't know, though, how I've exhibited this behavior more than others who have suggested what an OE might or might not do. But, regardless, I did find it useful in analyzing the whole Wongsy Gwadiator thing-among other things-which I was, admittedly, wrong about, but with his behaviour, I thought it was the right course of action then and I stand by it... Well, I don't know what to say about that, because I have offered my opinions where and when I can; I'm not particularly skilled in heavy analysis either and it usually takes me forever to bring up what I can (like this post did), so I try to put more effort in quality than quantity. Nothing I can do if you don't accept that Plus, there have been others much less opinionated than I have thus far (like Belinda and Timly).

Yes it does, a bit, thank you. I'm not sure how using the role earlier would have been better. My immediate thoughts tell me otherwise, that it would have left you worst off, or somewhat the same position. Interesting about those you have been talking to though. Catawina Pwina's recent revelation that your story isn't straight is very interesting, indeed. What a gay old romp. so, a couple thoughts popped into my head just meow roar now. 1)Your friends are scum, and they told you you should do what you did (like somebody said earlier, losing an OE would be a bad start for the OE and a great one for OotP, so the incentive is there). Apparently some of those are vanilla townies, so the "truth" could be a mixed bag of scum and town in contact with you. 2) You're town and those who claimed vanilla...some may actually be scum and influenced you to post, knowing/hoping it might drag you down. I don't like that last one too much, because it would have done the opposite effect for the OE and you got cleared, which would give them headaches. So that last one is weak, though it can be possible, to think of the options. I guess I get your motivations on the Krup-Snarky issue. Though, it looks like you're going to be lynched anyway, which I think is best at this point, but if you have anything to say about these contacts, now would be the time to say it (if you're as town as you say you are).

These ones. You sort of answered the first, but ignored the latter. To clarify the latter, I'm sort of missing why you passed on Krup, so I'd appreciate some clarification on that. Sorry if I'm making you repeat yourself, though the question on how you'd prefer things to happen would be interesting to know.

Yeah, it ain't easy following every thread of thought and be analytical of everything, though your absence today was concerning, but your post here is reassuring! Well, sometimes scum will take the middle ground, but you're right on day 1 it's more of a risk. Well, I wasn't saying you were with Krup, especially since I personally think he's town (or at least not OE), but you cover it all pretty well. I see B as the more likely option, out of the two (not forgetting the option you're town, either ). I think around when you switched, only 4 or so people voted for Wong and he had those penalties, he was just one below Krup, I believe. Being so close to leading the lynch, voting Snarky would help not add another vote for Wong, and then it was an obvious Snarky vote post-provocarus spell. It's a bit suspicious looking. Could just be coincidence, though...that can happen sometimes. Well, the issue I had with it is that it can be seen that you were going off at a slight tangent from Krup to also make Snarky suspicious (which it makes sense for an OE not to focus too much on one person). It's not something easily seen, but I just noticed you commented so little today, which made me analyze your comments a bit more, and the thought came across my mind.Though, I do appreciate your replying to my comments, unlike Wong.

Why? If it's a role that is available to the scum (well, assuming it might be in this life), then it must have a use for them, which it (again assuming he's scum) did, saving his life. I can see this as both a townie using it (rather hastily) to save his life or a scum using the opportunity to help clear his name. It's difficult to tell (well, at least from my analysis of Wong), so the lynch is the best tool (barring an investigation) to figure it out. A lot of people seem to be wishy washy on Wong and keep flipping town/scum/scum/town except a few who are more convinced that he's scum and some who are more convinced he's town. Just an interesting observation. Looking around, I see that Orisie Kettleboildoubleandtrouble is quite removed today. Makes a beginning post commenting how bad yesterday was, "Snarky why have you forsaken us", and comments on who killed who. He doesn't come back until voting time and votes for Wang...under the easy reasoning that Wong has the wrong potato. And that's it from Orion so far today. Looking back at day one, he also didn't have much to say in the first half of the day, but contributed a little bit...Again, beginning post and then makes his vote (though certainly one with more substance than today's, and actually his largest contribution thus far this game). Subsequent posts aren't too substantive, though we do see at least a little opinion from him. He's a bit washy on Krup, votes for him (while also voicing suspicion on Snarky), but later is unsure, and eventually switches to Snarky, pre-provocarus spell. Votes again for Snarky, doubts Wongsters fakeclaimed the gladiator role, and saying the use of the gladiator role on Day 1 "one of the dumbest moves you can make". Somewhat suspicious about his thoughts on Snarky. Today, though, we've seen less from him...maybe he'll be more vocal the later half of the day than the first.

He was a bit defensive at the start of the day, promised more analysis and then only looked at what happened this morning for clues and repeated what people already said about the kills. I'm not impressed by his contributions yet! Who? Me? Well, when somebody suspects me (or calls out my name), I would think the proper thing to do would be to address them and try and clarify my position. It begins to become damned if I do, damned if I don't Anyway, my most present suspicion is Wongsy Wangsy, whom I had some questions for, to which he replied: I was hoping for a little more substance than that and then this: it's a pretty weak vote. Please expand on why you're voting for Ariattny. Well, based on my qualms about the gladiator issue (since I don't see an easy solution to the question of whether it's town or scum, unless Mr. Wangstus was investigated last night), which the flair Wang handled his role yesterday, and that my questions were left unanswered, I'm going to Vote: Wong Wang for now. I'll change it if he answers them, I'm just trying to get a sense of why he dropped his previous vote for Krup and switched to Snarky. More specifically the spark, the moment that made him decide another person. I apologize if I missed it earlier. I'll leave things off at that for now. Oh, so it is. My bad. I just assumed it was majority. I wasn't the most attentive person yesterday, for reasons which I've already explained

Hmm, alright. The only argument that it is most likely town is that it's more often town. I've never encountered this role before, so the argument doesn't convince me all that much, which is why I'm going under the assumption that it could also be from the OE's...maybe I'm just wrong on this. Difficult to find out on a first touch basis... Well, if Flabflom's killer was the vigilante (and Regelius's was the SK), then that may mean the scum killer was blocked or had their target protected (or targeted the same person?), but it might let the blocker know they blocked the scum killer and have a possible lead to bring up. I mean, it's just another option that might provide a benefit in the future. Of course, though, we'll have to see if we really do have 3 killers or not, we may see so night 2... How does it make sense to be a scum action but "very unlikely" to be an OE action? OE=scum. Unless you mean not a dedicated action, but rather something part of a jack-of-all-trades role? In that way, it seems much more plausible, if Willy Wangy is scum/OE. Yeah, that's the sort of information you can't pull from interludes/intros/outros. Well, it was for his own self survival, it's supposed to be himself and whoever he chooses, so of course it's to help save himself. I do question the exact usefulness of such a role, though (not saying that it is pointless or just plain scum, but of it's "potentially very useful[ness]"). Maybe an instance when the gladiator thinks a scum is getting away from a lynch? I guess it sort of acts like a day killer, except it uses the lynch as an MO. So, f I got this right, it's to save himself from being lynched (with the possibility of it backfiring) or bravely to ensure the death of a suspicion. One interesting thing I read on the wizard book of roles, is how they might be used. I'll paraphrase: in the hands of a good, strong town player, it almost spells death to whoever they choose, though there is a possibility of the tables turning. For scum, it should be used very carefully or with a lot of flair (depending on personal style). Looking at how Wong handled this, it looked like with quite a bit of flair. It still leaves me asking: was this just a hasty decision or was he going with flair hoping to clear his name and put him in good standing? Not something easily answered but just his word . You don't just vote for people randomly out of the dark with an explanation like you provided (counting??). For being quiet, yes, but Ariattny had been pretty vocal. It's just a bizarre vote, Goatrick . So you were hoping to let the power roles figure out/kill Krup over the night and go after somebody less likely to get lynched? That is indeed a risk, and one that is pretty scummy, whether Krup is town or not. What other way would you have done this, then, one that wouldn't have made you regretful, as it seems you are? I'm not sure, would the wiser choice have been Krup since that's who most people suspected as scum (not me, though), or choose another suspect that was also scummy, but not a majority of people thought so before the gladiator thing. A counter argument is that you could have ensured Krup's lynch and let the town PR's would choose their own suspects? The wizard book of roles is right, this role is manipulative, for better or for worse. Did you, personally, think Krup had any possibility (any inkling) of being town, or were you just too unsure that you had to leave him off the tables?

I would hardly call my contributions yesterday simply role play, though few they were; I did input my opinion where and when I could. Anyway, I was quite preoccupied with my studies yesterday, so had little time to devote to events here, I actually contributed more than I thought I would ! Fortunately, that's all over with now, so I can be more vocal today with better analysis . What a poor start to the game, hopefully we can use yesterday as a wealth of information to choose a better target today. As for kills, it looks like whoever killed Flabflom was the scum, since I don't see the Odor Eaters using a toaster and bath to kill somebody in this game of magic. In fact, a toaster and bath seems odd for the vigilante, too. Would that make Regelius' killer the SK, then? It's likely the vig felt it was too risky to target somebody the first night, since he's more likely to hit a OotP than an OE. Of course, it could also be a case that he was blocked or his target was protected. Though, thinking about it, maybe the vig did kill Flabflom? As Nevrick says, Flabflom can be cured, so that means he's not really dead (though they'll only be cured once this is all over, of course :p), so maybe that makes his killer the vig, since the OE's would just cast a kill curse? If that's the case, then it's the OE's kill that did not go through, which means the town protector/blocker got lucky/chose wisely? This is all conjecture, though, pulling information from the intro, so I don't know how much weight can be put into it Also, what are the reasons that the gladiator cannot, absolutely, be a scum role too? I know very little about it, so I'd appreciate any clarification of it to put the matter to rest