Canondorf Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) I've seen some pretty good lore speculation over the years, on how Lego Space fits together. I'd love to hear your interpretations of the lore of Lego Space, based on art, set names, product descriptions, comics, little snippets from old magazines and catalogues. I'll give a couple of ideas to get started. One is a timeline, in which all the Lego Space themes are a development of one another. The other is just a general "they all exist side-by-side at once" interpretation. First off, if you regard Lego Space as being related to City, rather than it's own thing, then a timeline might look something like this: - 20th Century - City Space - 23rd Century - Classic Space - 28th Century - Futuron, Blacktron I, Space Police I, M-Tron - 31st Century - M-Tron, Blacktron II, Space Police II, Ice Planet - 38th Century - Ice Planet, Spyrius, Unitron - 46th Century - Spyrius, Unitron, Exploriens Lets say that future Lego people became an entirely space-bourne civilization. They live in their pressurised suits most of the time. They have explored thousands of remote asteroids, around barren gas giants, as well as local stars, red and brown dwarfs. As seen on the box artwork. Then they begin to venture out across the entire galaxy, as described in set names like "Galaxy Explorer". Perhaps they have few, if any, actual terrestrial worlds, existing mostly in pressurised space habitats. However, some sources mention a couple of planets, like the Blacktron's main base or homeworld, . Perhaps the galaxy just has a couple of major bases that the factions operate out of, beside their remote outposts: Perhaps Lego Space is a relatively low-alien setting, with few planets having intelligent life. Most factions are humans, long-separated colonies like the Blacktron. Zotaxians come from a parralel universe, when they invade the Lego Galaxy in the UFO theme. There are occasionally some primitive life forms like the green aliens in 2024 Space. When you look at the artwork of the Lego sets, they often depict the settlement, mining, exploration, of asteroids, barren moons, around uninhabitable gas giants, giving this sense that the Lego Space guys are a civilization in a "rare-Earth hypothesis" type galaxy. They are steely eyed missle men, adapted to airless environments, mining, being essentially hard-working engineers, explorers, scientists, like Lego City's construction sets. However, even though you sometimes see older uniforms being treated like a relic, such as statues of Classic Space astronauts in later works, there is another way of looking at it, since we know next to nothing about the timeline, in which all the old factions just exist side by side in the galaxy at once. Futuron, Blacktron I, Space Police I, M-Tron, Blacktron II, Space Police II, Ice Planet, Spyrius, Unitron and Exploriens are just a dozen different factions existing side-by-side. Perhaps there is an organisation something like this: Government - The 'Futuron Federation' [Capital: Planet Futuron] | --- Exploriens Division | --- Space Police Division | --- M-Tron Mining Corporation | --- Ice Planet Rangers Government - The 'Blacktron Conglomerate' [Capital: Planet Blacktron] | --- Blacktron I Faction | --- Blacktron II Faction In addition you have the Zotaxian Empire invading from another universe. Perhaps the Unitron are somehow a treaty or alliance between multiple factions, acting as a kind of mutual defence organisation between the Futuron, M-Tron Corporation, Ice Planet Rangers, etc. One English language product description mentions the "laws established by the Galactic Council", so perhasp this Galactic Council is a kind of Space UN, which Futuron and Blacktron are both members of, and theoretically meant to follow, but in actuality are rivals. Now that 2024 Space has re-introducted the uniforms of the Futuron, it seems that we can at least say that Classic Space, Futuron, and 2024 Space are the same exact civilization: They already all bear the Lego Space planet-and-ship logo. This raises a lot of interesting questions about where they go in a timeline. Perhaps they are just a different variant of the Futuron uniform, and exist side-by-side within the Futuron faction, say around the 28th-37th century in that completely speculative timeline above. Or perhaps they are between Classic Space and Futuron? Or perhaps they are after Futuron I, the long-awaited continuation of Futuron II as a faction, going forward, into a era of the theme that we haven't seen yet, with new Blacktron III and Space Police IV on the horizon? What are your interpretations friends? Edited January 28 by Canondorf Quote
Oky Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Good thoughts. I think the Space timeline has already been pieced together as best as possible in this thread: https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/forums/topic/76493-the-space-timeline/ Placing the 2024 theme is indeed tricky, but I do think it goes somewhere between City Space and Futuron. Quote
Canondorf Posted January 28 Author Posted January 28 (edited) The Classic Space sets look like an extension of the real-life Apollo programme Saturn V technology, going into an alternative future, where Saturn-family rocket development never ended. In real life, the reliable Saturn rockets were retired, and NASA was diverted into the wasteful Space Shuttle programme. Some people think NASA should have continued to develop Saturn technology further, continuing on to Mars and beyond. The Classic Space rockets have white-and-black checkerboard patterns, like an old Mercury-Redstone missle, or Jupiter missle, or Saturn V launch vehcile. So I agree that the 2024 Space theme is sometime after City Space. But I also think that Classic Space also comes first, perhaps 100-200 years after City, and is the first Lego Space faction after City Space. City Space goes through the Lego equivalent of the Apollo Programme (1976, set 565), then Shuttle Programme (1995 City Space, set 6339), then the Artemis Programme (2022 City Space, set 60351). In the latter, they set up bases in the solar system as evidenced by sets like "60350 Lunar Research Base". Eventually, they move out of the solar system, becoming the Classic Space faction, in sets like "491 Galaxy Explorer". During Classic Space, they gain FTL travel, exploring the nearest stars, and ships like the Galaxy Explorer start colonising the Lego Galaxy: Out there in the Lego Galaxy's equivalent of the nearest stars, which are largely just red dwarf stars, like 80% of the galaxy, they find lots of airless barren asteroids, minor planets, moons, gas giants, etc. Also rogue astronauts found the Blacktron faction. These barren stars are rich in minerals, so they begin setting up an amazing industrial civilization, building outposts and monorails on these barren lifeless bodies. They realise that terrestrial-style planets with oxygen atmospheres are relatively rare, explaining the airless, low-G, barren aesthetic of Lego Space, where everyone is always floating around some asteroid or moon. Assuming this is true, now the question becomes does 2024 Space come next, or does Futuron come next? You could interpret the 2024 Space focus on 'energy crystals' (60431 Space Explorer Rover) and 'super crystals' (60432 Command Rover) as evidence that they are just discovering the fuel that will power the later Futuron civilization, or it could be that the Futuron I came before them, and they are just finding a more efficient fuel (maybe the crystals are some silicon-based microbe that gives out emits more energy than it consumes, like in Space: Above and Beyond). The resulting fuel cells are called 'crystal-botanic batteries' (60434 Space Base). I initially thought that 2024 Space came before Futuron. Now I'm gonna go against that and propose that they come after Futuron, and are essentially Futuron II. Maybe that Unitron and Exploriens are not really a different civilization either, but exist around the same time? I don't have evidence for it, just essentially the look of the space suits, which have a kind of progression from Classic Space, to Futuron, to 2024 Space: I've not really got any evidence to go off, other than this vague impression from the uniforms. They could come between Classic Space and Futuron. However, Classic Space and Futuron seem to have shared the same colour system. Red: Pilots, White: Explorers, Yellow: Scientists, Blue: Security, Black: Spies. Wheras 2024 Space has adopted a new three-colour division of their departments, which might suggest it comes after Futuron I, as a new Futuron II : - Blue: Pilot/Explorer Division - Green: Science Division - Yellow: Engineering Division Either way, if 2024 Space come before Futuron, or after Futuron, you have the possibility of a 2025-2026 Blacktron revival. Futuron II and Blacktron III. Classic Space never had an antagonist faction, but Futuron had Blacktron. They seem to use electronic warfare, operating listening posts, perhaps to pick up messages from the Futuron, to steal their technology (6987 Message Intercept Base). Edited January 28 by Canondorf Quote
Canondorf Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 (edited) Some further thoughts: Within 16.3 light years of Earth, there are 60 stars, in 52 star systems. The nearest, Proxima Centauri, part of a three-star system with Alpha Centauri A & B, is 4.25 light-years away: There are between 100,000,000,000 and 400,000,000,000 stars in our home galaxy, the Milky Way Galaxy. It is a large spiral galaxy, with a disk 100,000 light-years to 170,000 light-years in diameter. Most of those 100 billion to 400 billion stars have planets. We don't know how rare an Earth-like world, inside it's star's Goldilocks-zone, is. 80% of stars are red dwarf stars, usually too faint or small to have a wide habitable zone. Binary and trinary systems are most common. We can assume that the Lego Galaxy, if it isn't identical to our real The Milky Way, is a similar large spiral galaxy. We have some small satellite galaxies. The nearest major galaxy to the Milky Way, the Andromeda galaxy, is similar to the Milky Way, except larger. Although marketing and descriptions differ between different countries, we can gather the names of various planets in the Lego Space universe. Presumably "Planet Earth" exists in Lego Space, sometimes referred to as "Planet Terra", the Latin for Earth, in some Lego Space material, if I remember. The Alpha Centauri star system exists, the closest star to ours, and there is a secret Blacktron base there. There is "Planet Krysto" aka "Ice Planet 2002". There is "Planet Blacktron" the capital or base of the Blacktron faction. There is "Planet B2" the later Blacktron base or capital. There is "Planet Spyrius" capital of the Spyrius faction. There is "Planet Unitron" where many factions meet. There is "Planet Axel". There is "Planet Zeebo". There is "Planet U" in a distant galaxy where the Rock Raiders found themselves after an accident. Then in another universe, there are "Planet Zotax" and "Planet Xizos" in the Zotaxian Empire. The insectoid world "Planet Holox" aka "Planet Armeron" also appears to be in the Zotaxian universe. At some point, it seems there is an organisation called The United Galaxies, maybe something like the United Nations, perhaps the origin of the Space Police's laws, perhaps established the Galactic Council. In real life, it will take hundreds of years with nuclear propulsion to reach nearby stars, unless we invent something better. It would currently require something like a generation-ship or sleeper-ship. So Lego Space must have some form of faster than light (FTL) propulsion by the time of "Classic Space", where civilization seems to be inter-stellar. Something like a warp drive, jump drive or hyperdrive. As far as I know, Lego have left this completely up to the indivdual builder to imagine, and we don't have any material on what they officially use. Then again, it's possible they just take generations to get to nearby stars! Early exploration in real life, will likely be of our own star system's major planets, dwarf planets, Jovian moons, Saturnian moons, asteroids and comets. Of which there are millions. Then it would logically advance to the nearest extrasolar star systems, with their own asteroids, planets, moons and dwarf planets. So, if City Space and Lego Space exist in the same timeline, then at some point, I assume humanity invents a type of FTL travel. At light speed, it would still take almost a year to reach the outer edge of our own star's cometary Oort cloud. It's likely that early Lego astronauts at first only explore nearby stars, including faint brown dwarf and red dwarf systems like Alpha Centauri A, Alpha Centauri B, Proxima Centauri, Wolf 359 and Groombridge 34 A & B. They would likely find uninhabitable worlds, but beautiful, mineral rich, mysterious planets like Mars, full of wonderous canyons, mountains, craters, etc, as well as distant lonely asteroids and ice bodies. You can see it in the pictures from Lego box covers and magazines. Perhaps this is why they need mobile tracking stations like the one pictured below; to track asteroids, to explore them, or avoid meteor showers. Human Factions: |- Classic Space / Futuron / 2024 Space |- Blacktron I / Blacktron II |- Space Police I / Space Police II / Space Police III |- M-Tron |- Ice Planet |- Spyrius |- Unitron |- Exploriens |- Roboforce |- Rock Raiders Most of the Lego Space themes didn't include alien life. It later become more common. I prefer to keep alien life to a minimum, as fewer aliens seems to be reasonable, closer to hard sci-fi, fitting the aesthetic from 1978-1996. Let's assume that the Drake equation, the estimate of how much alien life exists, is very low for the Lego galaxy. They perhaps find primitive microbes more often, but less often complex life, and even less often intelligent life. It's only later, when they gain very fast propulsion, and can explore distant planets like Ice Planet Krysto 2002, that they begin to encounter a handful of civilizations. However, if you believe that every theme of Lego exists in the same universe, then humanity first meets peaceful native Martians on Mars in our own solar system, then gets attacked by an unidentified civilization on Mars, during it's early exploration of the solar system. Some of the few choice civilizations would be: "Martians" (from *Life on Mars*) [Friendly] "CrystAliens" (from *Mars Mission*) [Hostile] "Alien Life" (from *2024 Space*) [Neutral / Friendly] "Zotaxian Empire" (from *UFO*) [Neutral / Hostile] "Buggoids" or "Bugs" (from *Galaxy Squad*) [Hostile] I'm not going to include every alien, including the silly ones from late-Lego-Space themes like Space Police III (which had stupid stuff like cop cars chasing aliens with dollar bills or alien gangsters wearing 1920s mob-era fedoras - it's not Lego Space as far as I'm concerned), but only ones that seem like a major civilization, or which are definately part of a reputable space theme. I'm not even sure Alien Conquest counts as a Lego Space theme, or else we could include Planet X2.5 and those aliens. But the above ones have appeared in either a decent City Space theme or a decent Lego Space theme. Then, if you are okay with aliens as part of the Space theme, this is a more detailed speculative timeline: 20th century - "1995 City Space" | humanity is launching space vessels to orbit [e.g. 6339 Shuttle Launch Pad] 20th century - "1999 City Space" | humanity is launching space vessels to orbit [e.g. 6456 Mission Control] 21st century - "2011 City Space" | humanity is launching space vessels to orbit [e.g. 3368 Space Centre] 21st century - "2015 City Space" | humanity is launching space vessels to orbit [e.g. 60080 Spaceport] 21st century - "2022 City Space" | humanity is exploring the moon [e.g. 60350 Lunar Research Base] 21st century - "2019 City Space" | humanity is exploring planet Mars [e.g. 60226 Mars Research Shuttle] 21st century - "Life on Mars" | humanity encounters native aliens on Mars [e.g. 7315 Solar Explorer] 21st century - "Mars Mission" | humanity fights another species invasion of Mars [e.g. 7693 ETX Alien Strike] 23rd century - "Classic Space" | humanity is exploring asteroids and extrasolar planets [e.g. 6980 Galaxy Commander] 25th century - "2024 Space" | humanity is exploring asteroids and extrasolar planets [e.g. 60431 Space Explorer Rover and Alien Life] 28th century - "Futuron" | humanity is exploring asteroids and extrasolar planets deep into the galaxy [e.g. 6893 Galactic Starship] 28th century onwards - "Blacktron", "Space Police", "M-Tron", "Ice Planet", "Exploriens", "Rock Raiders", etc Alternatively, if you find some of these aliens to be a litte bit too much on the cartoony side, you can just ignore them. The main part of the Lego Space theme is those human factions. From Classic Space to Rock Raiders. Possibly including Aquazone. It's possible they are exploring the seas of some alien world, an ocean under the surface of an ice moon. I'm gonna suggest than rather than a crowded Star Wars style galaxy, there are perhaps only a few major colonies in the Lego galaxy, perhaps planets that were named by explorers: Futuron, Krysto, Blacktron, Spyrius, Unitron. I'm gonna suggest it's best to keep to just existing aliens, or it muddles the setting. Edited February 3 by Canondorf Quote
tomfow Posted February 5 Posted February 5 I would include Aquazone definitely. Original Seatron is very near Futuron style and even Aquazone is using magnets for example. For me it is just another branch like Ice Planet. :) Quote
Oky Posted February 5 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, tomfow said: I would include Aquazone definitely. Original Seatron is very near Futuron style and even Aquazone is using magnets for example. For me it is just another branch like Ice Planet. :) I wouldn’t. While Aquazone did evolve out of the Seatron idea, it is commonly regarded as an Action theme since it was never confirmed to be set on another planet or simply in Earth’s future. Having factions themed around Earth sea creatures such as sharks and rays suggests it is the latter. Besides, as evidenced by threads like this, the Space lore is confusing enough without having to work Aquazone into it. Quote
JesseNight Posted February 6 Posted February 6 I have to agree not seeing Aquazone as a Space theme, despite the similarities in how vehicles are built. I remember first seeing Aquazone as a kid in the catalog it released and at first thinking it was a new Space theme... then being disappointed when I read the story and found out it wasn't. Not saying it was bad, it just lost its appeal to me. Quote
Canondorf Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 (edited) I see Aquazone as space-adjacent at least. Maybe it's set in the near-future on Earth, making it contemporary to say 2019 City Space, Life on Mars or Mars Mission? I've been going through Lego Space lore this past week, trying to find what I can about things like names of technology, and terminology. So that I could gather it here (for reference, for interest, for everyone's common use). Does anyone here know what type of FTL is used in Lego Space? I couldn't find a single reference to what type of FTL propulsion is used in Lego within comics or anything. Ship's log books were referred to as the Explorer's Log in early exploration of the solar system. As an example, I looked at the terminology for various "crystals" in different space themes, and they are mostly quite consistent: - "lunar crystals" (comic: Journey to the Moon) ----------------------- [neon green] - "biodium" (theme: Life on Mars) -------------------------------------------- [red] - "energy crystals" (theme: Mars Mission) ------------------------------- [neon green] - "energy-crystals" (theme: Lego City Space 2024) ------------------ [purple] - "super-crystal" (theme: Lego City Space 2024) --------------------- [violet] - "energy crystals" aka "brickonium" (theme: Rock Raiders) ---- [neon green] - "energy crystals" aka "brickonium" (game: Rock Raiders) ----- [red] So perhaps different forms of "energy crystals" were first discoverd on the Moon, then Mars, and then have been mined for hundreds of years since, across the galaxy. An early war was fought over them on Mars, with the dangerous mysterious CrystAliens, humanity's first interplanetary war. The CrystAliens must still be out there in the galaxy somewhere, lurking. Then a new purple variety was found by the 2024 Space guys, perhaps deposited by asteroids from silicate microbes or something (my headcanon). A lot of that information was from either Lego catalogues or comics. This is a list of comics that I could find for different space themes: - Journey to the Moon (Space Port) - Mystery of the Red Planet (Life on Mars) - First Contact (Life on Mars) - Robot vs. Robot (Life on Mars) - A Slight Shock! (Life on Mars) - For a Few Crystals More (2024 Space) - The Unknown Galaxy (Classic Space) - Encounter at Ice Station Odyssey (Ice Planet) - Another Universe (UFO) - Rock Raiders (Rock Raiders) Many of them are avialble online, photographed from old magazines. I considered posting all of them here, but it might overwhealm the thread with massive scans/pictures. I'll try to include a few higher quality examples only. There are some translations of Russian scans of a Life on Mars comic. As many of you may know, The Unknown Galaxy is a classic of space lore, providing what might be an early stage of the Classic Space era. Encounter at Ice Station Odyssey is not that great, but one of the few appearances of the Blacktron II. There is a short story giving some background on Spyrius, including references to this United Galaxies council type organisation: These Rock Raiders comics were available here, on a Rock Raiders related forum. They are not the best ones that I read through. I also thought this was an incredibly well-researched lore video on Blacktron: There are also two videogames, the Mars Mission related Lego: Mars Mission - CrystAlien Conflict for web browsers and Lego: Rock Raiders for the PS1 and PC. I also tried to piece together as many planet names as I could: - Planet Earth / Planet Terra (Sol System / Milky Way Galaxy) [City Space] --- Earth's Moon (Sol System / Milky Way Galaxy) [City Space] - Planet Mars (Sol System / Milky Way Galaxy) [Life on Mars, Mars Mission] - Planet W [2024 Space] - Planet X [2024 Space] - Planet Zonia [Classic Space] - Planet Commercia [Classic Space] - Planet Robus [Classic Space] - Planet Blacktron [Blacktron I] - Planet B2 [Blacktron II] - Planet Axel [Blacktron II] - Planet Krysto / Ice Planet 2002 [Ice Planet] - Planet Spyrius [Spyrius] - Planet Uniton [Unitron] - Planet Zotax [UFO] - Planet Xizos [UFO] - Planet Zeebo [UFO] - Planet Holox / Planet Armaron [Insectoids] - Planet U ("Distant Galaxy") [Rock Raiders] - Planet X2½ [Alien Conquest] - Planet Lavoo (Selva System / Selva Galaxy) [Galaxy Squad] - Planet Zorax (Selva System / Selva Galaxy) [Galaxy Squad] - Planet Veedo (Selva System / Selva Galaxy) [Galaxy Squad] - Planet Selva (Selva System / Selva Galaxy) [Galaxy Squad] --- Selva's Moon (Selva System / Selva Galaxy) [Galaxy Squad] - Hive Planet (Selva System / Selva Galaxy) [Galaxy Squad] - 814FTW (Selva System / Selva Galaxy) [Galaxy Squad] - 214DAL (Selva System / Selva Galaxy) [Galaxy Squad] If I was to piece that all together, I would say that a planet is first just assigned a generic six-character code like 184JKL when telescopes detect it among millions of exoplanets, then might be informally named after a letter of the alphabet upon first survey contact by a passing ship like Planet N, and then if it is properly explored and settled might get a proper human name like Cooltron. Or it may already have an alien name. In addition to the return of Futuron II, Blacktron III and Space Police IV, if Lego wanted to re-introduce other factions, I would personally then go for one of the hostile aliens, either the Zotaxians who already look completely badass, or the CrystAliens who had bad minifigures that would be easy to update but are pretty mysterious like the Chigs in Space: Above and Beyond. They must be humanity's oldest foe, probably have other branches and lost colonies out there in the wider galaxy. Again, does anyone knows what type of FTL has ever been named in Lego? That would be great to know! (And very important lore!) So there, it's all archived, so that people in future can hopefully find some use in this thread. Edited February 9 by Canondorf Quote
tomfow Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) On 2/6/2025 at 12:56 AM, Oky said: I wouldn’t. While Aquazone did evolve out of the Seatron idea, it is commonly regarded as an Action theme since it was never confirmed to be set on another planet or simply in Earth’s future. Having factions themed around Earth sea creatures such as sharks and rays suggests it is the latter. Besides, as evidenced by threads like this, the Space lore is confusing enough without having to work Aquazone into it. And I still would. In the end, it is all about our imagination. Sure, Aquazone is action theme and that is probably due to LEGO marketing and way of doing things in those times.. Plus I have one strong reason to consider Aquazone to be space theme. We all agree that Sea-tron is (or would be) space theme. And if you check the pictures for it, you can clearly see octopus, sharks and manta ray. At the same time there are chrome crystals and helm masks for Sea-tron. Aquazone is utilizing all of these (except Manta Rey), so one theme is space and other is not? Some sharks could be on other planets and others cannot? I just liked ideas and ideas in: Edited February 19 by tomfow Quote
JesseNight Posted February 20 Posted February 20 This discussion is among the reasons Aquazone never appealed to me and always felt weird. To me it wasn't Space... but it sure appeared like it tried to be a Space replacement or addition. I just couldn't put my finger on it where to place it. Quote
GeoBrick Posted February 21 Posted February 21 11 hours ago, JesseNight said: This discussion is among the reasons Aquazone never appealed to me and always felt weird. To me it wasn't Space... but it sure appeared like it tried to be a Space replacement or addition. I just couldn't put my finger on it where to place it. I saw it as a futuristic setting, not necessarily a Space setting. Quote
Commander Fenris Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) Glossary of space terms from comics, set names, product descriptions, magazines, etc: ---- Terms - Navigation: - "quadrant" = an area of space (theme: Blacktron) Terms - Fuel: - "lunar crystals" = a type of fuel discovered during early exploration of the Moon (comic: Journey to the Moon) - "biodium" = a type of fuel discovered during early exploration of the planet Mars (theme: Life on Mars) - "energy-crystals" = violet, red or neon green coloured crystalline objects, including some that grow back (theme: Mars Mission, theme: 2024 Space, theme: Rock Raiders) - "super-crystal" = magenta coloured crystalline object, possibly a more powerful form of energy crystal (theme: 2024 Space) - "crystal-botanic batteries" = a fuel cell on vehicles that is refined from violet energy crystals (theme: 2024 Space) - "fusion-activated energy pods" = a fuel cell on Blacktron vehicles that extends the range of their operations (theme: Blacktron, set: 10355) - "hyper-fuel" = the kind of fuel used onboard a Blacktron Renegade (theme: Blacktron, set: 10355) Terms - Weapons: - "space blaster" = a form of hand weapon used by early astronauts (Lego Worlds) - "laser pistol" = a form of hand weapon employed by early astronauts and Classic astronauts (Lego Worlds, Lego City Undercover) - "laser blaster" = a form of hand weapon employed by Blacktron (various sources) - "phaser" = a form of weapon employed by Blacktron (Lego Legacy: Heroes Unboxed) - "plasma beam cannon" = a form of ship weapon employed by Galaxy Squad (magazine) Terms - Propulsion: - "plasma drive" = a form of propulsion mentioned in the title of set 6932 in the 1987 UK Catalogue, known as the Stardefender in the USA (theme: Futuron, set: 6932) - "main thrusters" = a form of propulsion capable of accelerating to light speed, mentioned in set 60430's marketing description (theme: 2024 Space) - "light speed" = a propulsion term mentioned in set 60430's marketing description (theme: 2024 Space) Terms - Engines: - "hybrid fusion engine" = a form of engine used by Galaxy Squad, using a clean fuel that combines stardust with hydrogen gas Terms - Materials: - "borundium" = a metal used to coat the surface of LEGO rocket cones so that they don't melt with heat (comic: Jim Spaceborn) Terms - Other: - "life support system" = system responsible for maintaining life for early astronauts visiting Mars (comic: Mystery of the Red Planet) - "explorer's log" = type of log recording used to report events by early astronauts visiting Mars (comic: First Contact) - "sensors" = device capable of scanning even below the surface of a planet (comic: Encounter at Ice Station Odyssey) ---- [I'll update it as I find more stuff.] Below is the reference to Blacktron using phasers: Probable image of a Blacktron phaser, from text above: An image of a space blaster: An image of a laser pistol: Edited yesterday at 01:43 PM by Commander Fenris Quote
Commander Fenris Posted October 20 Posted October 20 I did a little research using AI, and indeed beyond a few evocative names, there is no reference found to any method of FTL travel in LEGO Space. The closest was a set named Hyperspeed Pursuit, perhaps suggesting Hyperspace travel, but essentially it had nothing to do with FTL travel and was more about fast rockets. However, one thing I remember is that the final cutscene in Rock Raiders shows the massive "LMS Explorer" going to FTL. So it basically jumps to a bunch of stars rushing past in an instant. For whatever that is worth. Quote
Commander Fenris Posted October 22 Posted October 22 I noticed that in the description of 'Space Villain' minifig, it mentions the "seven galaxies", perhaps denoting that LEGO Space takes place in seven galaxies, perhaps the United Galaxies mentioned in material: As a member of a shadowy criminal organization feared throughout the seven galaxies, the Space Villain really knows his outer space bad-guy stuff. He can hotwire a rocket neutron drive in zero-G, melt through solid plasmodic hypersteel with his nova-ray blaster, and sneak past a FuturonCorp security-bot in under 3.6 quarkoids, all while blindfolded. Of course, full-time space villainy isn’t easy. Over the stellar cycles, the Space Villain has lost an eye in a warpship chase over Spyrius IV, misplaced a leg in the meteor mines of the Insectoid hivefleet, and he thinks his right arm might be somewhere at the other end of a black hole. Still, he wouldn’t give up his job for all the quasar rubies in the M-Tron Nebula…which just so happen to be the very next thing he’s planning to steal! Bit of speculation, but if LEGO Space followed real life, what would the seven galaxies be? The seven largest local ones? The seven nearest to the Milky Way? #-- 01). Galaxy 1 [historically known as the Milky Way] #-- 02). Galaxy 2 [historically known as Andromeda] #-- 03). Galaxy 3 [historically known as Triangulum] #-- 04). Galaxy 4 [historically known as Large Magellenic Cloud] #-- 05). Galaxy 5 [historically known as Small Megellenic Cloud] #-- 06). Galaxy 6 [historically known as M81 Galaxy] #-- 07). Galaxy 7 [historically known as Sculptor Galaxy] That's a suggestion which is a kinda mix of the two ideas. Several large galaxies within 15 million light years. But also nearby satellites LMC and SMC, rather than all the nearest ones (Sagetarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy etc). We see in Rock Raiders the video game that they get transported via wormhole to a distant unfamiliar spiral galaxy, so it seems reasonable to say that the seven galaxies aren't just satellites of the Milky Way. Alternatively, you could get rid of M81 and Sculptor and keep it all within the Local Group. Quote
GeoBrick Posted October 22 Posted October 22 1 hour ago, Commander Fenris said: Bit of speculation, but if LEGO Space followed real life, what would the seven galaxies be? The seven largest local ones? The seven nearest to the Milky Way? #-- 01). Galaxy 1 [historically known as the Milky Way] #-- 02). Galaxy 2 [historically known as Andromeda] #-- 03). Galaxy 3 [historically known as Triangulum] #-- 04). Galaxy 4 [historically known as Large Magellenic Cloud] #-- 05). Galaxy 5 [historically known as Small Megellenic Cloud] #-- 06). Galaxy 6 [historically known as M81 Galaxy] #-- 07). Galaxy 7 [historically known as Sculptor Galaxy] That's a suggestion which is a kinda mix of the two ideas. Several large galaxies within 15 million light years. But also nearby satellites LMC and SMC, rather than all the nearest ones (Sagetarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy etc). We see in Rock Raiders the video game that they get transported via wormhole to a distant unfamiliar spiral galaxy, so it seems reasonable to say that the seven galaxies aren't just satellites of the Milky Way. Alternatively, you could get rid of M81 and Sculptor and keep it all within the Local Group. You don't need to go as far out to M81 or Sculptor to get seven sizable galaxies. For the last two, NGC 3109 and Wolf-Lundmark-Melotte Galaxy are possible replacements, with sizes similar to the Magellanic Clouds. Quote
hikouki Posted October 23 Posted October 23 I would very much like for someone to speculate on the lore for the ranks and roles of the different classic spaceman colors!!! Quote
Renny The Spaceman Posted October 25 Posted October 25 On 10/23/2025 at 2:58 AM, hikouki said: I would very much like for someone to speculate on the lore for the ranks and roles of the different classic spaceman colors!!! Haha, there's a whole thread for that Quote
tomfow Posted October 25 Posted October 25 There were awesome reddit thread with lot links... something like: Quote Red and White - Explorers Yellow - Scientists Blue - technicians/mechanics Black - "warriors" but "we were not allowed to make war" ------------------ Red - Pilots White - Explorers Yellow - Scientists Blue - security/soldiers Black - spies Green - Mech Pilots Quote
Commander Fenris Posted October 26 Posted October 26 On 10/23/2025 at 2:58 AM, hikouki said: I would very much like for someone to speculate on the lore for the ranks and roles of the different classic spaceman colors!!! Sure thing! There is more than one interpretation to be found online, but based on the words of a LEGO designer (though he might have changed his mind since the 1970s), there was an original plan for the colours of Classic Space, provided below. In more recent material there is information on the related 2024 Space theme, so I will include that also. It seems the themes Classic Space, Futuron and 2024 Space, are all the same civilization. Perhaps at a different time in their history, or perhaps just different branches or organisations. Classic Space Theme: - Red: Pilots - White: Explorers - Yellow: Scientists - Blue: Security - Black: Spies 2024 Space Theme: - Blue: Pilot/Explorer Division - Green: Science Division - Yellow: Tech/Engineering Division For the 2024 Space theme, a darker the shade of the colour, denotes a Department Head. Also Gold indicates some sort of leader, wearing epaulettes. Something like an Admiral. Quote
Commander Fenris Posted October 26 Posted October 26 On 10/22/2025 at 11:37 AM, GeoBrick said: You don't need to go as far out to M81 or Sculptor to get seven sizable galaxies. For the last two, NGC 3109 and Wolf-Lundmark-Melotte Galaxy are possible replacements, with sizes similar to the Magellanic Clouds. I like your thinking. It's tough deciding which galaxies to include, because if we include Andromeda and Triangulum (I would like to personally), we are skipping over a lot of smaller dwarf elliptical galaxies, etc, closer to the Milky Way, that still have tens of thousands of star systems inside them. If we don't, then the seven galaxies could just be numerous "tiny" companions and satellites of the Milky Way. This itself raises questions about whether the seven galaxies represent "known space", or just ones that Spacemen have settled with official colonies. Perhaps skipping over many smaller galaxies in their colony expeditions? At the beginning of the LEGO Rock Raiders video game, the LMS Explorer is pulled through a wormhole to a spiral galaxy of comparable size to their origin one. It seems to be near their previous galaxy on the computer monitor, which suggests the Andromeda Galaxy, if they were previously in the Milky Way. It seems they are lost, stranded, so we can infer that this is an unmapped region or system beyond known space. That could be the case even if Spacemen have settled some other regions of Andromeda. At the end, they re-fuel then activate their FTL engine, as if this will get them home. Either to a point elsewhere in this other galaxy, or all the way back to their starting location. We can speculate that LEGO FTL is perhaps very fast, comparable to the engines humanity has acquired by the end of Stargate SG-1, capable of traversing inter-galactic distances in the range of millions of light years. They can't possibly explore all the stars contained within this volume; at a rate of one star discovery per day, it would probably take billions of years, as the Local Group contains 1.5 trillion stars (including maybe 400 billion in the Milky Way and 1 trillion in Andromeda). So it's likely they skip millions of uncharted systems. It might mean they haven't nececcarily visit their neighbours like the Sagettarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy before going to bigger targets like Andromeda. So, we can make an educated assumption that LEGO Space isn't just referring to tiny companions, from this admittedly circumstantial evidence. This makes your proposal logical. It may also mean that some of these seven galaxies are outside the Local Group. But I would personally keep them within that volume. Quote
GeoBrick Posted October 27 Posted October 27 On 10/26/2025 at 12:40 PM, Commander Fenris said: I like your thinking. It's tough deciding which galaxies to include, because if we include Andromeda and Triangulum (I would like to personally), we are skipping over a lot of smaller dwarf elliptical galaxies, etc, closer to the Milky Way, that still have tens of thousands of star systems inside them. If we don't, then the seven galaxies could just be numerous "tiny" companions and satellites of the Milky Way. This itself raises questions about whether the seven galaxies represent "known space", or just ones that Spacemen have settled with official colonies. Perhaps skipping over many smaller galaxies in their colony expeditions? Well, all the other dwarf galaxies are smaller then 10,000 lightyear in diameter, and half of them are simply core remnants of larger galaxies who were already incorporated in the bigger galaxies that caught them. Quote
Commander Fenris Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) At the moment, astronomers would likely make no distinction in worthiness between those extremely small galactic remnants, and a major barred spiral galaxy. Their reasoning being probably, that even a small galaxy, is still a massive object, containing maybe millions of stars, more than any fictional FTL spacecraft could hope to visit in a lifetime. (Not to mention planets, moons, and asteroids around them). Say the Leo I dwarf galaxy, contains around 10 million stars, or the Ursa Minor Dwarf galaxy contains about 3 million. At one a day, that would take the USS Enterprise 8,219 years to explore. So frankly, we will never know what the "seven galaxies" or "United Galaxies" are unless LEGO confirm it. Out of interest to anyone reading for the firs time, science fiction can cover vastly different scales of spacial volume: Some very near future space opera takes place just in our solar system. The Expanse, or the Mars Trilogy, being examples. Perhaps LEGO City Space or early LEGO Classic Space might have started at these scales, exploring the solar system, as some set names imply it. Most space exploration science fiction takes place in one galaxy. Babylon 5, despite being incredibly epic, takes place in a rather small volume of space, perhaps mostly within 50 light years. Revelation Space likewise. Star Trek's Federation likely exists within 250 light years of Earth, well within a tiny spec of the Milky Way, which has a diameter of 100,000 light years at least, and a thickness of 1,000 light years. Dune's star systems seem to be within about 500 light years. Foundation, Star Wars and Warhammer 40,000 all postulate colossal galactic empires, on the scale of 90,000 light years, covering millions of stars (but likely filled with millions of uncharted systems too). Mass Effect and Stargate SG-1 cover similar huge galaxy-wide distances, but sparsely, with huge gaps between clusters or inhabited locations, owing to networks of artificial star-gates connecting them. Some science fiction takes place across multiple galaxies. Later in Stargate Atlantis, they gain a method of FTL starship propulsion so fast, that it can reach other galaxies regularily, but obviously, could never explore them at even a rate of one planet a day (so travel is largely targeted to known locations of interest). Likewise Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda covers three major galaxies, plus their satellites, likely also containing vast quantities of unexplored systems. LEGO Space seems to be, as an educated guess, one of those with a very fast FTL method, meaning probably diffuse settlement across these "seven galaxies". Everyone is always shown wearing oxygen tanks, in pressurised suits, with a heavy emphasis on airless bodies and environments. That suggests quite a hard sci-fi industrial aesthetic. Miners, airless outposts, radar stations, research bases, etc. Perhaps habitable bodies are relatively rare in LEGO Space? Edited October 28 by Commander Fenris Quote
tomfow Posted November 2 Posted November 2 I put together some random facts and ideas :) So in 26th series of minifigs we got Ice Planet Explorer with penguin! So we know for sure there are space penguins on Ice Planet! https://brickset.com/sets/71046-8/Ice-Planet-Explorer In SeaTron related stuff there are some interesting details: First interesting detail are minifigs standing on top of spaceship and in station - thouse are classical red space astronauts! So clearly SeaTron has conenction with classic space. (If whole monorail tech is not clear enough connection ;-) ) https://www.backoftheboxbuilds.com/seatron/ The main antagonist Sea-People have a few very interesting details. In very left corner of base we can see two Aquazone Chrome crystals, in middle there are three shark like creatures and finally looking at sub we can easily see magnetic arm holding crystal box. They are using the same tech as Aquazone and M:tron! https://www.backoftheboxbuilds.com/sea-people/ And the very last is Aquadome, you can very easily see classic shark, octopus and sub in very right corner has atop again Chrome Crystal. https://www.backoftheboxbuilds.com/aquadome/ tl dr; space is full of terrestrian creatures and animals ;-) What is interesting for me, we can easily see the same energy box technology being utilized across multiple factions and themes! Blacktron - There is simple box for example as part of base or being transported as cargo https://brickset.com/sets/6987-1/Message-Intercept-Base https://brickset.com/sets/40580-1/Blacktron-Cruiser Blacktron II - being fixed part of ships https://brickset.com/sets/6832-1/Super-Nova-II https://brickset.com/sets/6878-1/Sub-Orbital-Guardian M:Tron - Magnets, boxes https://brickset.com/sets/6896-1/Celestial-Forager https://brickset.com/sets/6956-1/Stellar-Recon-Voyager Spyrius - box with magnet as part or even without magnet :) https://brickset.com/sets/6949-1/Robo-Guardian https://brickset.com/sets/6889-1/Recon-Robot Auqazone - and of course the vry same orange box technology with magnets for crystal transport https://brickset.com/sets/6175-1/Crystal-Explorer-Sub https://brickset.com/sets/6190-1/Shark-s-Crystal-Cave M:Tron has the same magnetic boxes like Spyrius, Aquazone and even Sea-People ....So only conclusion is. They must be in same universe to use the same technology. (and of course this is just mine reasoning why Aquazone is part of Space ;-)) ) Quote
GeoBrick Posted November 3 Posted November 3 On 10/28/2025 at 4:32 PM, Commander Fenris said: LEGO Space seems to be, as an educated guess, one of those with a very fast FTL method, meaning probably diffuse settlement across these "seven galaxies". Everyone is always shown wearing oxygen tanks, in pressurised suits, with a heavy emphasis on airless bodies and environments. That suggests quite a hard sci-fi industrial aesthetic. Miners, airless outposts, radar stations, research bases, etc. Perhaps habitable bodies are relatively rare in LEGO Space? I think its more to do with how outer space was perceived in the late seventies and eighties (when those sets were designed) then with an attempt to create coherent lore. Besides, any scene set on a habitable exoplanet would look merely futuristic, not space. If LEGO would've released this kind of sets it probably would've been under the Town banner. Quote
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