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6 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Same. I love the mini-modulars as a concept and and want to both support them and add to my marvel skyline, but Oscorp just doesn't look good to me, and the Bugle doesn't really make sense to get if you're buying the skyline sets to display with the modular bugle. I'll just hold out hope that Kraven, Rhino, and Nu-ultimate Goblin show up in what has to be a coming Oscorp Modular. (Alongside, of course, Kaine, Daredevil, Moon Knight, and Luna Snow).

I keep talking about the 2016 Web Warriors Ultimate Bridge Battle in this thread, but it’s also a good frame of reference for what good large summer Spider-Man sets could look like. Although it’s a little reductive comparing a set from 9 years ago (especially as it was standalone compared to being part of a modular system) to one from 2025, it still shows how the priorities for playscale Marvel sets have changed:

- The continued gutting of piece counts for large sets just means modern sets like Oscorp provide less actual value. Increasing prices in line with inflation etc. is one thing, but we’re seeing more and more of these £100+ sets that fail to break past the 1000+ part count. Star Wars is seeing this too for playscale sets too so not only are we paying more, but we’re also getting less. Piece counts aren’t a holistic metric for value, but they still tell a story. The builds are certainly far simpler too.

- The design and play ethos for these playscale sets have begun changing since 2019 (or thereabouts). Looking at things like play features and sidebuilds, they mostly used to make contextual sense to the playset - I still remember  how part of the bridge battle would partially ‘break’ off with a web piece underneath to represent the taxi crashing into it. Very well thought out and executed. Similarly with side-builds, they typically made sense to a scene too - you’d get vehicles like a New York taxi etc., whereas now it’s usually a generic bike or car for Peter / Miles / etc. Easier for younger audiences to get on board with I suppose, but it’s interesting how the Spider vehicles were somewhat interesting and unique with their introduction in 2019 and have slowly become more generic and simple as the years have gone by.

- The continued reduction in minifigure budgets / available frames for this theme every year has led to an uptick in more recycled / kitbashed minifigures more than ever. It’s understandable if smaller sets reuse minifigures and introduce a small number of new ones, but larger sets doing this isn’t great. 

- The mini-modular system is a fantastic idea and I hope it continues long-term, but it also means that larger sets like Oscorp try to introduce small generic buildings alongside the actual skyscraper. It’s trying to do too much (multiple buildings, side vehicles) with too little (low piece count). As a result, the skyscraper itself is extremely bare-bones as are the play features. I think making the large sets more focused on the large buildings and leaving the smaller buildings like shops and apartments to cheaper sets would make more sense, but I’m sure the Marvel team will play around with what works and what doesn’t as they produce more of these mini-modulars.

Interestingly from an age rating perspective, Oscorp is 10+ and the Bridge Battle was 8-14, so it’s not like they’re catering to vastly different audiences either. But there’s no denying that sets like the Bridge Battle are fun to build and look good on display, whereas sets like Oscorp don’t have the same ‘wow’ factor. I don’t think this is necessarily a guaranteed consequence of having to adopt a modular system either, and large sets can still be good despite accommodating that new system.

Wall of text aside, I certainly see the current modular system being fun to play with and reconfigure for younger audiences. I guess it just takes getting used to for those who have seen how awesome the earlier Spider-Man playsets used to be.

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39 minutes ago, Kaijumeister said:

I guess it just takes getting used to for those who have seen how awesome the earlier Spider-Man playsets used to be.

People like to bring up the 2016 Bridge Battle, which is indeed one of the best SH playsets (if not the best), but a lot of the other sets from that era don‘t hold up all that well :tongue: Despite its flaws, this year‘s Oscorp blows many of those out of the water. The Bridge Battle was an outlier, not the standard ^^

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4 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

People like to bring up the 2016 Bridge Battle, which is indeed one of the best SH playsets (if not the best), but a lot of the other sets from that era don‘t hold up all that well :tongue: Despite its flaws, this year‘s Oscorp blows many of those out of the water. The Bridge Battle was an outlier, not the standard ^^

This is the gist of what I was going to say as well. The bridge battle is excellent but also the only set at that price point from that era of the theme. It can't really be used as a standard because it was an outlier even in it's own time. Again, I don't even think Oscorp is particularly good, but comparing it to the bridge battle is like comparing the average marvel movie to Logan- sure, phases 4 and 5 of the MCU might not have been as good as the older ones, but even what people would consider it's peak doesn't compare to Logan.

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Good points, I guess I’m romanticising using the 2016 period of the subtheme as a benchmark despite the past few years being very consistent in how Spider-Man sets in general have been handled. In that manner, what we’re seeing this year and no doubt will see next year has little reason to deviate from the status quo we’re used to.

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16 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Rhino and Mysterio are both characters that in any capacity will be good additions, but have the potential to be EXCELLENT. Rhino all depends on him either being comic based, or if the mech is his, made up so that the minfigure appears to be wearing mechanized rhino armor a la the PS4 game rather than just Paul Giamatti like the 20...15? 16? set. A straight repeat of mysterio would be just fine, given it'll have been 5 years since his last set, but some leg printing wouldn't be unappreciated and arm printing, while as you say unlikely, would be spectacular. 

Yeah that was more of a guess on my part, I just couldn't think of another reason why they'd avoid him. Though I will say Flash not getting a minifigure is probably just more because we don't get many of spidey's civilian friends- discounting movie minifigures, the bugle's the only thing that's ever given us more than Mary Jane. The only time we've gotten characters like Betty or a non-spidered Gwen was in the bugle, and we still don't have a Harry Osborn minifigure from the superheroes line- just the raimi ones in 2004.

I have high hopes for Rhino but considering Lego's track record, I probably shouldn't. The minifigure for him in that mech set was terribly done. I could see us getting something more like that again.

We know the Daily Bugle set didn't include MJ because Marvel felt she didn't synergize with the MCU version and they didn't want to "confuse" people. So I wonder if the lack of Flash Thompson is for similar reasons that the comic version doesn't resemble the MCU version they're promoting now. That's my best guess for Flash. As for his Agent Venom iteration, it was probably a similar case where they didn't want to use a Venom who's retired from the comics and not the one being promoted in the movies. Wouldn't synergize with the classic Eddie Brock Venom they've been pushing again (a bit like how the 2000s was pushing Mac Gargan as Venom). They only just gave us Anti-Venom for example.

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1 hour ago, JeanGreyForever said:

I have high hopes for Rhino but considering Lego's track record, I probably shouldn't. The minifigure for him in that mech set was terribly done. I could see us getting something more like that again.

We know the Daily Bugle set didn't include MJ because Marvel felt she didn't synergize with the MCU version and they didn't want to "confuse" people. So I wonder if the lack of Flash Thompson is for similar reasons that the comic version doesn't resemble the MCU version they're promoting now. That's my best guess for Flash. As for his Agent Venom iteration, it was probably a similar case where they didn't want to use a Venom who's retired from the comics and not the one being promoted in the movies. Wouldn't synergize with the classic Eddie Brock Venom they've been pushing again (a bit like how the 2000s was pushing Mac Gargan as Venom). They only just gave us Anti-Venom for example.

I think there's a fair chance, the set has 4-5 repeat characters (depending on if mysterio is new or not), I can't imagine Captain Klyntar being the only exclusive minifigure in the set.

It's possible, though given we never got harry at all, were getting a comic aunt may wildly inconsistent with the MCU one, etc, I really think for Flash it was just a case of the superheroes sets not giving us generic civilians much and preferring to do aunt may when they did put them in. (Again with the bugle being the first time we got Gwen). As for who's retired in the comics or not, I don't think lego actually pays much attention to that. Eddie Brock's Carnage in the comics at the moment, and Venom is MJ. I'm confident we don't see either of those. I think you're right about them liking to tie into the movies, but with the comics I don't think anyone on the superheroes dev team could even tell you whether or not Agent Venom was retired. Beyond getting the occasional design they see art of, such as Nu-Ultimate goblin, the vast majority of figures are based on generic sort of "evergreen" designs.

5 hours ago, Kaijumeister said:

Good points, I guess I’m romanticising using the 2016 period of the subtheme as a benchmark despite the past few years being very consistent in how Spider-Man sets in general have been handled. In that manner, what we’re seeing this year and no doubt will see next year has little reason to deviate from the status quo we’re used to.

Even within the 2016 period, I think quality varied wildly. The Bridge Battle was great, but it wasn't emblematic of the theme as a whole at that time.

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16 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Eddie Brock's Carnage in the comics at the moment, and Venom is MJ.

Welp. There goes our chances for a Venomized MJ. :cry_sad:

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4 hours ago, psqidexslizer said:

Welp. There goes our chances for a Venomized MJ. :cry_sad:

Don't even joke about that. Lego could be combing the forum with a SEO tool and by giving them the idea you've just made her replace comic Electro in the bugle.

But no the venomization is weird, and what really gets me is that they're never fully venomized. An extrembiote Iron Man, Captain Klyntar, Red Goblin, etc would all have been cool figures, but all they do is splash black goop printing across the characters' torsos and some eyes and teeth on their faces. At the VERY LEAST, if we're gonna get venomized characters, could they actually be venomized and not in some weird in-flux shrodinger's symbiote?

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1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Don't even joke about that. Lego could be combing the forum with a SEO tool and by giving them the idea you've just made her replace comic Electro in the bugle.

Comic Electro? In the same year we’re getting another Rhino? You’re talking crazy. :tongue:

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Looks like the next Lego marvel mag is coming with BND Cap. Pretty good buy if you missed out on Red Hulk set.

Also if Unibricks is right we should see some sets tomorrow

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2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Not exactly a bold prediction since they always reveal sets on the first of each month :laugh:

But it’s usually one month before release, not two.

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16 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said:

But it’s usually one month before release, not two.

Not always tho! The One Piece sets for instance were revealed in June and the Wicked sets in July, both two months ahead of the respective release ^^

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40 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Not always tho! The One Piece sets for instance were revealed in June and the Wicked sets in July, both two months ahead of the respective release ^^

Yes, there are exceptions. But most sets, and specifically Marvel and DC sets, it’s typically one month (unless they’re D2C, in which cases is usually two weeks).

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Just now, psqidexslizer said:

Yes, there are exceptions. But most sets, and specifically Marvel and DC sets, it’s typically one month (unless they’re D2C, in which cases is usually two weeks).

Or more than 4 months, like the recent DC sets :wink: You‘re right in that this pattern still mostly holds up, but I feel we‘ve seen more and more deviations from it recently ^^

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The upcoming CMF has a perfect jumping off point for a purist Leap Frog, if anyone wants to give Daredevil an actual villain to fight. :tongue:
 

There’s also another set of printed arms that would work for The Spot.

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The Bugle looks great, with a slightly different Minifig selection it could have been perfect. Think it’s probably the best from the new mini Modulars. Perfect blend between the original one and big one. Interested to see which building they’ll choice next 

looks like Mysterio has the skull design and Cap might have dual molding. Can normal cap get that once 😂

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Welp, Rhino is once again a mech. Although we did also get a minfigure version of him, which is better than nothing. This mech also looks to be a massive improvement over the last one, so it’s got that going for it too.

Bugle looks good, but I already have the larger one, so I don’t really care to have a smaller version.

Curious to see how this new Mysterio compares to the old one.

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Bugle minifigures are truly awful - cpt America is a classic half black take of venom as expected not a proper venomized cap. Building looks ok. Easy skip. Holding out for doomsday…

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23 hours ago, psqidexslizer said:

Comic Electro? In the same year we’re getting another Rhino? You’re talking crazy. :tongue:

Through Oscorp all villains are possible. Somebody's got to crawl out of that vat of eels.

7 hours ago, psqidexslizer said:

There’s also another set of printed arms that would work for The Spot.

The legs on that figure have spots on the sides as well, which would be a nice upgrade.

2 hours ago, psqidexslizer said:

Welp, Rhino is once again a mech. Although we did also get a minfigure version of him, which is better than nothing. This mech also looks to be a massive improvement over the last one, so it’s got that going for it too.

Bugle looks good, but I already have the larger one, so I don’t really care to have a smaller version.

Curious to see how this new Mysterio compares to the old one.

Yeah. It's hard to judge the mech in the open-cockpit, weird pose it's doing, but the figure inside looks good. It is a mech-suit rhino (I mean, the figure, obviously the figure is also IN a mech suit) rather than a onesie one too, like I'd guessed.

Same here.

New mysterio doesn't have arm or leg printing, or the smoke cloud base thing the 2021 one had in that one set, but it does seem to be a new design with more yellow/gold for the torso, which is something.

2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Ohhh, me likey!! This is a lot better than the the 2013 one, and we have a full Rhino minifig!

Yeah, this looks a lot better than oscorp. If it goes on sale I wouldn't mind adding it to my marvel skyline, removing the DB logo in the front and just having it be some office building.

 

I do find it fun for the build how they really took "mini-modular" to the next level and while it is a colorswap (to the prototype D2C bugle colors, actually), it shares a lot of design similarities with the D2C and does act as a mini version of that specific set.

As for the figures... it's not a total wash, but it's pretty rough. The three spiders aren't any worse than the leaked figure list would have led us to believe, but it's still extremely absurd that both Oscorp and the Bugle have Miles and Gwen. Should have been one in each- even if the figures that replaced them were re-uses from other sets, it would have been an improvement on having two companion sets with 40% of the figures identical. JJJ is fine but they did him dirty with that hairline, I don't think I've ever seen him portrayed as balding. Mysterio is a solid B-tier choice, he's not a huge draw but it's his first set in a half-decade so it's good to keep him on shelves and make him availible to kids. It's excellent to get a new Rhino, and it really is Rhino and not Paul Giamatti in a mech. 

Venom cap... man, I'm glad it was pointed out that it would likely be this dumb half-venomized version beforehand, because yeah this is a stupid design. An absurd amount of the set's budget went into this- he has a dual-molded leg that's also printed? Why is this the figure you go all-out on? A fully venomized design like the Captain Klyntar skin in Rivals would have been much cooler and wouldn't have needed printed, dual-molded legs to capture the character. The one and only possible glimmer of light this figure has is that I can't tell from the lighting whether or not the helmet's black, and if it is, all is forgiven for they've finally made US-Agent viable as a purist custom. Alas, I doubt it, as Venom Goblin and Venom Ock both had normal hair/hats.

 

I'd say the design is like an 8/10, and the figures are a 6-7/10 with some high highs, low lows, and extremely strange budgetary choices. If I didn't have the modular, I'd probably pick it up, but as is I'd want to wait for a sale, and instead will most likely probably just buy Rhino's helmet (currently $2 on bricklink) and slap it on the angry clone head and an ultron Sentry torso. Unless of course the Venom Cap helmet is black in which case I will need to find some way to obtain it.

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Wow, these look much better than I thought!! The Spider-Man 3 and AoU mini dioramas are pretty fantastic in my eyes and that buildable Iron Man also looks great to me! :wub: Love the new Ghost Rider and that new flame piece that also shows up in one of the Harry Potter sets ^^ Mysterio‘s skeleton faceprint is noteworthy too! And of course, SM3 Venom! It‘s not often I‘m excited for a Venom minifig!

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I like Spider-Man 3 venom minifigure and despite my distain for the venomized vibe I do like the venomized wolverine fig. Mysterio skull gives it something a bit different. Angry hulk eyes are cool but not enough to justify getting it. 

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Well, A soul for a soul. I originally thought the Spider-Man vs Sandman set would be a basic comic set and the Ghost Rider bike would be awesome.

well.. to my surprise, the Ghost Rider bike is a disappointment, and the Spider-Man vs Sandman set is ACTUALLY SPIDER-MAN 3 HOLY SHIT!! AND VENOM!!! 
 

So yeah, Spider-Man vs Sandman set immediately became a day 1 buy for me.

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