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No, tis not a lie, although it does contradict what thou told me. I concede that untruth is possible in it, yet it is what I believe. Thou didst tell me that thou knew of a conflicting claim prior to the close of Day 3. Twitch told me, prior to the close of Day 3, that shouldst he have died in the night, that I should pursue thee the next morn. At the time, my presumption was that of a conflicting claim between the two of you, but I didst not know what the claim was or who to trust more. Twitch did not die that night, of course, but lived to be lynched the next day when we opted to give Helena another night. I had been in communication with Twitch enough during day 3 that he did trust me enough with the idea that he was not vanilla. Thy claim to me was indeed that thou didst not know Twitch's identity until earlier in day 4. I find it hard to believe this given that Twitch knew prior to the end of day 3. If what thou said was true, to what do thee owe the fact that Barkonius knew long before thee? We know that Belinda didst not trust Twitch as much as you, and she was the one we know had knowledge of the both of you. To be sure, I do not believe it of consequence. In my mind, the matter of the issue isn't when the conflicting claimants were known to each other so much as the fact that there are conflicting claims. The only purpose of my stating the timing of when I believed thou both were known to each other was to point out that thou were excused in voting for Twitch Day 4. I felt Twatty was complicating the matter. It was a townie vote given what I understand of thy situation. It does not make thee a Penis, but it should not be held against thee, either. The thing I hold against thee at this point is that thy role claim is the same as Twitch's and that thou targetted someone who was blocked. We lynched Twitch for that reason, and he proved town, so thou art the next logical lynch. As for snooping, I have initiated conversation with some, yet asking for clarification on thy role claim versus Barkonius' role claim when his neck was on the block and thy status as a protector of some sort was already known hardly qualifies. Such information was of importance to me as a townie looking to sort through the validity of Twitch's claim versus yours. Unfortunately, Twitch's lynch yesterday hath sorted that out for me. As such, I move on in the grim task at hand.
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It doth not matter that Helena retained the ability to kill by means of blunt force braining with a toaster. Should wouldst have been the right lynch even if she had become completely impotent. What doth matter is the principle of certainty. Thy continued effort to suggest that it doth not matter and pursue Belinda, along with thy votes on days prior is what convinces me that thou art scum. It was known with 100% certainty that Helena must by killed prior to our victory. Barkonius' liklihood of being scum was based on an "educated" 50/50 guess. There was no certainty, and as proved to be true, he was not scum. Town simply cannot lynch an uncertain victim over certain advancement towards our victory, even in the light of conflicting claims. The very nature of them is uncertain, and the risk of failure was precisely our outcome. Had we lynched Helena instead of Twitch, then the scum would have had to choose whether or not to kill our protector. The onus would have been on them, for at least one more night. By lynching Barkonius, we resolve an issue for the scum, when that issue could have waited another day or been left to those with night actions. Perhaps new evidence would have come to light in the morn. Perhaps scum would have killed Barkonius, but he would still have been able to protect Looney for another day. Those that voted for Barkonius acted out of fear instead of measured response to the risks present, and in fear we are weakest. To be clear, a vote for Barkonius or Panck would have been the correct choice if we did not already know the identity of Helena as a required kill for our victory, or had we known for certain that one of them was scum. Neither of those were true. The victory conditions under which an SK operates are rarely known to anyone but the SK, and hers was not stated for us to know. In Helena's case, it's entirely possible that she could have won simply by surviving to the end, rather than being the last animal standing. In light of that possibility, she had every incentive to side with scum. We are required to kill her for our victory. They are not. In addition, enterprising scum surely recognize the potential of reciprocal threats, and Helena could have been made known to understand that any cooperation with them was conditional upon her aid. While she held some threat agin us, the scum were in greater position of strength than she. Is it possible that Belinda was the leak and is, in fact a harbinger of scentual consumption? Yea, it certainly is. However, Helena was blocked the night Purplonia was killed by scum. I do find it unlikely that she wouldst have lied about this given that there was no SK kill. Belinda saw three different animals target Helena, and all three of them claimed protective actions. If there be any credence to the notion that we do not have 3 protectors, even in light of one of them being 1-shot, then it seems additionally unlikely that the scum wouldst have sent two of their members to block her and perform an additional action agin her. The only condition under which Belinda makes much sense as scum wouldst be if we really do have 3 protectors on our side, and the weapons levied against us to now do not seem to warrant such defenses. I beseech thee to read the above paragraphs. The uncertainty of all lynches beyond Helena ensure that they were of lesser value to town. Consider that all three protectors knew that Belinda was the claimed watcher as she didst contact them in such manner as to reveal her identity. Both Panck and Twitch were made known to each other as conflicting claimants prior to the end of Day 3, when Helena's initial lies deceived us. They were aware of each other for the fullness of day 4, which is why Panck's vote is the only one that is excused in voting for Twitch. What I can say is that thy final statement is one with which I am in agreement. 't would be an uncommon form of villainry for our overloards to have bequeathed us with identical protectors of such an unusual variety. It wouldst flummox me greatly to know that we had been given dual Penile Bodyguards. Surely, no man requires the use of more than one. Although, such line of thought doth cause me pause to consider that a spare would come in handy at certain times... but I digress! No, clearly the appropriate course of action is to lynch Panck at this time. Vote: Drubulum Panck We, the Order of the Penis, must remain firm in our resolve to overcome our current predicament, brought on by a most flacid effort through all these days. We can but sniff out the Odor Eaters one churlish spur-galled moldwarp at a time. We must take measured and logical steps. We can yet snatch victory from the claws of defeat, but only with a commitment to process that endures until the ultimate satisfaction of victory is achieved. A fitting choice for thy inane ramblings. I suspect greatly that thou shalt be my next vote on the morrow.
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The case was made pretty clearly yesterday as to why it was a fool's errand to allow Helena to live. Anyone who suggests otherwise, other than Panck, whose vote for Twitch HAD to be made, is scum or gleeking fool-born gudgeon. I can but hope that thou shalt be among those we vote to death shortly. What fool we mortals would be if we didst not test Panck's allegiance with his death. Those that lord over us would be cruel masters to have given us two identical night actions. Stop being so obviously unhelpful.
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Alas, we Penises become ever more flacid. This past fourth night of our turmoil didst bring woe upon us, yet there is yet a glimmer of hope to be found within. There may yet be a light which can bring us beyond this peril. Our good Looney didst slay the Hippo as a last and desperate act of valour to our cause. Let us not let this bravery pass unrewarded, instead striving to rid ourselves of the evil betwixt us. Now to the matter of the day at hand. That we would lynch Panck would seem the most logical course to sail. Lulu is most likely also scum. The remainder I am less certain of, although I have stronger suspicions about some than others. No matter, with Looney gone, we must approach our predicament in increments of one.
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So... it was told to me in private that Barkonius claimed Bodyguard, and that was deemed the more likely scum claim of the two. Panck has now corrected that to indicate that it was he that claimed Bodyguard. Among thee are those who are voting for Barkonius on the pretense that his claim was the scummier of the two because it was Bodyguard. Thou hath been misled. In addition, it appears there was a third party who also targetted Helena last night and claimed 1-shot protective powers. That strikes me as rather scummy as well. Why under the gods has this claim not been brought to the fore ere now? I can understand Helena not bringing it forth, yet none of the townies privy to this information deemed it relevant to the case against Barkonius? For shame.
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Thou art correct with a slight modification: It doth not matter if Helena is lynched and Scum vig-killed or vice versa. It matters a great deal if we mislynch. Yes, the scum know the protector, as it is either Twitch or Panck. The problem is, we do not know if it is Twitch or Panck. It is most likely that the other is the scum blocker, rather than a scum protector, for a scum protector would not have protected Helena last night. Remember, they killed Pink because they believed Helena and Pink to both be town. They were just as surprised this morning that Pink was neutral as we were. I have reason to think that Twitch is more likely to be town than Panck based on the PM's I've had with both but I do NOT want us to lynch Panck, either. The reason I am opposed to the lynch of Twich today is because we can deal with Twitch and Panck tomorrow, in the light of additional information. Only ONE of them is likely to be scum. If we mislynch on either Twich or Panck today, then we have to deal with BOTH Helena and the remaining of Twitch or Panck in future days, whether that be via Vig or not. The scum DO have reason to block the vig or protect Helena, as her very presence is divisive and distracting to town from here on out. If thou wast the town protector, thou wouldst KNOW that Barkonius is scum rather than merely suspected scum. Ergo, thou art scum. Let's lynch Helena and vig kill Panck.
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Woe be to us for the fools who doom town. It really doesn't matter if she can kill. What matters is that we MUST kill her. If there is irrefutable evidence that Barkonius is scum, why have we not heard it? All who are voting for Barkonius because he seems scummier than Panck are voting for uncertainty, based on the opinion of a proven liar and self interested neutral. Anyone who votes with Helena at this point is giving in to her strategy, not executing the strategy that is best for scum hunting. Town must be rational and take the known threat out while the possible threat can still be properly evaluated. Only when we are without certainty does it make sense to take out the unknown threat. We cannot allow Helena to live tonight. What if we lynch Barkonius and he proves town? Then we know that we have to lynch Drubulum, but we STILL have to lynch Helena later. That extends the game another day. We KNOW that Helena is neutral and part of our win condition is to take her out. We therefore MUST lynch her today. We cannot waste today. We are already behind. Not really, no they are not. They are equally important, and the role claim of both Panck and Twitch is protector yes? We don't know for certain which of them is town and which is not. Those voting for Barkonius have given no evidence other than he seems more scummy than Panck, and that's not enough to go on when we KNOW that Helena is against us. She CANNOT be for us if we MUST kill her to win. We don't know for certain that Barkonius advances us towards potential victory. We can't guarantee the success of the vig. We can only guarantee the lynch. We must advance towards a town victory.
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It doth strike me that if Barkonius never contacted thee, and that Drubulum did, that Drubulum was seeking to gain influence while Barkonius was being cautious. It can be read in the alternative just as easily. Ah, it doth appear that Helena hath lied again. She claimed that both "protectors" were seen targetting her last night, when in fact, they were seen targetting Ariattny. Drubulum, has not revealed what his action from last night was. Certainly, scum wouldst not protect Helena if they thought she was town, and it is clear from the death of Pink that this was their belief. I do believe Helena hath already sided with the scum. The scum do not need to kill Helena to win. The rules are specific that they merely need to outnumber town and any third parties, not kill off the third parties. Third parties have their own win condition, and while we don't know exactly, it doth seem likely that it is possible for Helena to win simply by surviving until the Odor Eaters win. I expect they already have connected and are part of this plot. Not at all. Shouldst thou have already sided with scum, then the scum have every reason to save thee as it doth seem too many townies believe thou art still trustworthy, and thy presence reduces the town's ability to mount a united front agin them. As stated above, this we do not know, and it doth seem entirely possible that she can win with scum. Helena doth strike me as far more dangerous to have alive over night tonight than either Panck or Twitch. Let the scum take care of the one that is town, and we can lynch the other in the morrow. If all they can do is protect, they cannot technically hurt town at night.
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If thou wouldst be so kind as to correct me, I am merely trying to understand exactly what happened: The watcher saw Barkonius protect Helena last night, yes? Did the watcher also see Panck protect Helena last night? Or rather, did the watcher merely see that both targeted Helena and now both are claiming protector? Did the watcher or anyone else gain knowledge of either Barkonius' action or Panck's?
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Helena, thou art mistaken if thou imagines that I do not have my wits about me. Thou art playing a gambit that thou doth believe to be in thy best interest. If what thou hath said about thy role is indeed true, then thou art indeed worthy of all the scorn heaped upon thee. Thou couldst have found a way to work with the town that did portend to be of help rather than harm. Belinda hath been increasingly building a case against herself, that today hath simply heightened. Helena, however, must go today. We cannot risk the possibility that she may recruit another to her cause or that she can continue in another way. I believe that she is serious. I don't believe she is being honest about her situation. I believe that town can overcome whatever she doth wrought upon us. Thou doth not have a 4 year old. The proper response is to call their bluff until they are forced to breath agin. At which point, they are broken and thou art once agin in command of the situation. I can tell you that I didst not give her my role despite contacting her in good faith in an effort to work with her. There was always the possibility that she was playing some gambit, and that has now proven true. If as many town PR's claimed to her as she says they did, then they are all far greater fools than I expected them to be. Still, there are more than enough townies remaining to combat anything the Odor Eaters can throw at us even with improved information. For all I know, Helena hath already given them the information she threatens.
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I shall be happy to unvote thee when thou doth explain how thou art helping in addition to the following: 1. If thou were to die with Purplonia according to thy play, why art thou still alive? 2. How can it be that if thou art still alive and a part of this affair, that thou cannot win? I simply do not believe it.
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Ah, Drubulum, thou art a remedy for high-proof melancholy when it doth befall me. Helena, thou pribbling rough-hewn wagtail. Thou hast made us those that thou doth offend, and thou shalt suffer in accordance with the consequences of thy trespasses, be it in this life or the next. Through no fault of our own. Thou hath brought the ill winds of anger upon thyself with thy lies and blackmail. Furthermore, it doth seem thy lies continue. Tis clear thou didst not die with Purplonia. As Rutherford states, tis also unlikely that the conditions of thy victory would not be reliant upon the life of another. For all I know, thy killing spree shall continue on thy own. Until thou doth provide some evidence that thou wilt help town, which thou hath not done, thou art more of a hindrance alive than dead. The town will be the stronger for it. Vote: Helena Hippopaw As for thee, Twatty, thou art high on my list of those who I wouldst seek to lynch in lieu. I am much more put at ease by thine offer to act as mouthpiece for the town PR's. Tis not scummy in the least.
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Perhaps it did fail to catch thy attention that Pink was not town. As to the vig, I assume that thou doth mean on Night 3, leading into today?
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Tis quite a claim to stick thy neck out there over, Helena. I will give thee the benefit of the doubt in changing my vote to help put a bit of space away from Purplonia. Unvote: Langston Lionheart Vote: Godric Goaty-Blather That said... if thou doth believe so strongly that Purplonia is town, why doth thou not suggest voting for Gertrude? Are thou in disagreement with Drubulum that they are most likely not on the same team?
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Tis funny, but I do find myself in agreement with Langston regarding thy unvote of him. There's no requirement that thou vote for one of the two leading vote getters. As to the matter of Purplonia versus Godric, I am not bemused with the manner in which it doth seem that there are forces at work to keep the vote as even as possible. Purplonia was behind, got several votes to pull ahead by one, and Drubulum then tied them up agin. Twatty then inched Ms. Pink back into the lead. I'm not quite sure what to make of it, whether tis foul Odor Eaters trying to keep their candidate in front, trying to keep the vote tied, or merely uncertain townies being evenly split, we'll probably not know until much later. Drubulum's vote struck me as odd given all the discussion he reviewed on Purplonia and then at the end, where he decides that Purplonia and Gertrude are not on the same team, he votes for Godric. I was expecting him to vote for one of the the two whose case he reviewed.
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Thy concern doth seem a bit hasty as there is still a very long way to go today. Thou art an idiot if thou thinks there is but one scum we should be trying to find. The day is barely half over. There is plenty of time to find someone to lynch, and plenty of time to have the lynch converge on the one we believe most likely to be scum. One entirely useful purpose of early votes is to draw people out into conversation they are not currently engaged in so that we have something to go on towards the end of the day. Heaven knows we've had nothing publicly helpful from those with night actions, so it doth seem prudent to be poking out in multiple directions while we still have time to evaluate their responses.
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I think Purplonia is a good option as well, but for now I will Vote: Langston Lionheart This craven plume-plucked barnacle hath given me an uneasy feeling and I wish to see what he has to say. There is something scripted and knowing about the way he hath discussed what he "imagines" an Odor Eater might be thinking. Perhaps he is more familiar with their line of thought than he wishes for us to know.
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There was another comment in which I didst think he mentioned it, however it doth appear that I had misremembered. For the record, twas this one: http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=81811&st=125#entry1578600, which is in concert with your correction. I withdraw that concern on Orion. Thou hast raised my suspicions for a few reasons. My suspicion of thee was largely initiated because thou wast one of the three that did not vote for Wang at all despite all of his fumbling and outright lying. Given the scum knew he was not scum, it wouldst not surprise me in the least if there were scum among those who didst not vote for him. Thy "I told you so" earlier in today's thread should be enough for you to understand why that wouldst raise my suspicion of you among those three, and there are others already calling for Rutherford's account.
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There were but six who did not vote for Wong over these first two days. Three of those have been accursed of night. No longer do their souls lend warmth to our discomfort here. The other three include thyself, Purplonia. Barkonius and Rutherford are the others. I do perpend that thou doth seem far more certain of our mistake now than when Wong was still among us. T'would not suprirse me in the least, if one of the three were scum, and thou are not the least of my suspicions among thee. Well, I am convinced-eth. Couldst thou iterate what thou doth see in Rutherford that might lead thee to accuse him? Thou didst not seem concerned with Habblable-Bibble ere now. Aye... my apologies for this... I mistook Orion for another miscreant in my notes. I do see thy complaints agin Rutherford there.
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Drubulum, didst thou have thy lovely play prewritten for the morn shouldst Wong flip town? Catalina's accusation of Wong yesterday was quite clear. Therefore, it doth strike me as an excessive explanation for thine steely eyed focus on Wong these two days past. Indeed, this moreso given the circumstance with which Wong's lynch was secured via strong majority. I hadst thou pegged as town, yet this play doth give me pause to reconsider. Here are additional suspicions of which I hath seen less discussion: Langston Lionheart (or Ariattny Surgarbottom) - I am convinced that they are not both scum, yet it wouldst not surprise me to discover if one of them was. Given that, I wouldst lean towards Langston, as Ariattny has struck me as far more likely OotP to this point. Langston hath contributed, tis true, yet there is something in his discourse that doth unsettle me. He hath spoken fervently of his perspective on how scum wouldst react in the situations we have seen, to the point that it doth seem almost as if he is already thinking from their perspective. Belinda Bugglesby - Belinda hath struck me as trying to find the right balance of following another's lead. She didst cast the second vote for Wong prior to the Provocarus Curse on day 1. She didst vote agin for Wong after said curse, and after Wong claimed responsibility. She then meekly switch to Snarky after "learning" of the Gladiator role. This wouldst seem ok, but on day 2 she then said that "anyone with mastery of Magic can do a simple search" for while casting the 3rd vote for Wong. Later on day 2, she didst change her vote to Godric for Godric's nonsensical voting justification. While this doth not ping in and of itself, twas agin the 3rd vote, and came with no explanation regarding if she felt Wong was not scummy. And lest the confession of Orion Kettlboil go to waste, he didst say prior that he didst counsel Wong to use his Provocarus Curse. Now that Wong hath proven town, it wouldst be good to revisit this counsel, as that would most certainly have been the counsel an Odor Eater wouldst have given. Moreso understanding that the other primary candidates, Krup and Snarky, were both also town. What better way to remove the Gladiator role from future menace to their cause? What doth thou not understand? First, to think Wong was 3rd party is idiotic. It was extraordinarily clear that he was a Gladiator, which is nonsensical as 3rd party. Wong's alignment hath now been revealed upon his death. To reiterate, what doth thou not understand?
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The verity of mine inclination is penned in my previous discourse. I was specific about why I didst not vote for Krup today. I was going to question why you didn't switch your vote to the one who you were positive was scum rather than the one you were merely suspicious of, but that's now been done for you and you've changed your vote. I cannot say that thine actions in the midst of thy revelation have given me great hope of faith in you. However, no fobbing reeling-ripe harpy hath come to light with news of inconsistency of thine revelation. Wang himself hath not denied it. Vote: Wong Wang
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Tis true, the only crumbly fig-toed wrattle who, towards the end of open voting, continued the case agin Krup was Gertrude. For my part, I am concern-ed with regards to how quickly the bandwagon hath gained the crumpled scraps of paper upon which votes have been cast by those that were so eager yesterday to declare Wong town simply due to his role claim. Wong is either OotP or OE. The idea that hath been presented that Wong may be a neutral party doth seem ridiculous to me. Gladiator is not a role that wouldst strike me as being of any value to a neutral. I do believeth, if there is such a thing as belief in these matters, that Wong's Provocarus Curse usage is consistent with how a scum might use it. The unfortunate fact of the matter, is that the only usage of it that would have confirmed Wong as either OotP or OE wouldst have been if Snarky had been an OE. That Snarky was town has left us further in the dark. As for the matter of Krup, both Helena (Day 1) and Godric (earlier today) have now gone on record as declaring their belief that Krup is right standing, based on discussions held in secret. That is enough to convince me to leave Krup to the OotP night actions. Yet I would like to pursue this further: Orion, what was the nature of how Wong came to claim to thee in private. Thou were not among those who were most active in casting accusations towards him. In fact, thou had cast thy vote first for Krup, and then for Snarky. It does seem odd that Wong wouldst seek advice from one such as thee. Tis common for one to seek to absolve themselves in private with an accuser, but thou were not such a foe.
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To wish. Yea, to dream. To dream a land of peace, where ere we had no such fears as Odor Eaters. That such a land wouldst rise afresh from seas of dark to bring us light. When to dream is to clear one's mind of evil, and to clear one's mind is to wash it, then in such a way I have been wishy washy. As I do wish to wash the Odor Eaters from this place. That death no more shall terrorize our hearts with fear of doom. As to my voting tendencies and my theories, I do not believe that I have been wishy washy in the least. Mine mind hath been affixed on a multitude of possibilities, yet I have acted with determination and cast my lot with as much confidence of will that day 1 can provide. If thou doth not believe it, then I wouldst ask for explanation that I might answer forthright, setting things at ease, as I didst respond to thine accusations yesterday.
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I had read it thusly, that the mewling elf-skinned haggards known as the Odor Eaters would only be permitted to exchange their actions upon the permanence of death. The relevant missive is here:
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I believe 'twas assumed, yet if Wong declared it as such, I have missed it. We are harmoniously agreed then. Tis also my belief, that shouldst a tracker or their ilk come forth with news of night, casting ill implication upon one of our brethren here amongst us, said individual would immediately claim vigilante. I have no information with which to bequeath truth upon thy statement, yet it restates that which is my iterpretation. I am of mixed emotion. As with thee, Krup has perpetuated in my mind that which caused his suspicion ere today, yet Wong's intentional act of avoiding Krup with his Provocarus Curse despite voting for Krup doth perplex me greatly.