Marvel Superheroes 2025 - Rumors & Discussion

[Mandalorianknight]

19 minutes ago, Coryo said:

Steve and Bucky just simply walked away after incapacitating Tony's armour, that doesn't come across as particularly vengeful. It's not like they left him critically injured, and his suit did still have some semblance of mobility. This is someone who could hack the A/V system of a supermax prison with three presses of his watch, I doubt he was ever in any real danger of being stranded in Siberia, plus he was shown to be carrying a phone prior to his helicopter suit-up.

While Tony's immediate anger in that moment was kind of understandable, I wouldn't hold Bucky accountable for anything he did while brainwashed, and I doubt Marvel does either. One of the goals of his apology tour in the D+ show was to rehabilitate his in-universe public image by creating a clear division between the two personas, although he did also feel a degree of personal guilt since he retained his memories from that time despite not being in control. His role was fairly undercooked though, the main storyline was about Sam coming into the Cap role, and Bucky's subplot was about distancing himself from the Winter Soldier persona, yet the finale's end title card read "Captain America and The Winter Soldier", which really puts into perspective how much of an afterthought Bucky's whole plotline was.

Yeah, exactly. They didn't critically injure Tony, just damaged his suit, and if they really were bloodthirsty and trying to kill him... why stop?

And yes- as much of a mess as TFATWS was, I can't remember it ever trying to imply that Bucky knew what he was doing when he killed people while brainwashed, just that he personally felt guilty (which is understandable) and that he needed to show the public he wasn't a brainwashed assassin (again, understandable).

13 hours ago, brickbride said:

- Are we supposed to accept the brainwashing as an excuse then, and to think that Bucky really did nothing wrong? I'm asking because Marvel Studios cannot make up their minds on that. Half of TFATWS was Bucky having to apologize and make amends for crimes he'd committed while brainwashed. Why would he have to apologize and make amends if he were blameless? Bottom line is you cannot fault Tony for being angry at his parents' murderer and you cannot fault him for for holding Bucky responsible if Marvel Studios do it, too.

- Also Tony was Steve's teammate who'd saved his megablocks on more than one occasion, and Bucky had been his best friend a looooong time ago but had obviously changed since then. Yet you think Steve was in the right doing what he did? Again, this was not about incapacitating Tony so he couldn't kill Bucky based on possibly faulty or incomplete information (re: the brainwashing) and so they could then talk it over. Tony was already incapacitated! This was about revenge plain and simple. They quite happily would have killed him.

- Again you "assume" that Steve had anything to do with Tony's rescue but there's no indication whatsoever that he had. They could have shown a shot of his seeing the jet, of his calling anyone and saying something as simple as "Get him out", or even a quick convo with Bucky about how Tony surely had a plan in place. (And why would he have? Steve must have noticed that Tony was extremely distraught, not thinking clearly. That he didn't have a backup since otherwise he'd have deployed it already given the situation. And that he could not rely on others since, you know, his team leader had turned against him.) There is nothing to support your assumptions other than the general feeling of "Cap wouldn't do that". All the evidence on screen shows that, in fact, Cap would do exactly that.

- Add to that the facts that Steve had been extremely (and needlessly) antagonistic towards Tony from their first meeting onward. Also add that Steve was the leader of the Avengers. Also add that Steve is responsible for creating this mess in the first place because he knew that Bucky had murdered the Starks but had deliberately withheld that information from Tony, probably in the futile hope that Tony (the guy with all the tech!) wouldn't find out.

Bottom line: If Steve had acted like the leader of the Avengers that he's supposed to be, and had addressed the issue previously, the entire mess could have been avoided. If Steve had acted like any halfway decent person and teammate (I'm not even going into the "paragon of morality" thing) he'd have stopped at incapacitating Tony but not actually left him to die. He also never apologized for either of these failings. YMMV of course but like I've said this made me lose all respect for Steve.

-For one thing, I don't think it's fair to say, what, that Steve should have let Tony kill Bucky because despite it being very clear in Civil War that he was brainwashed and not in control of himself when he did, a completely different project a half-decade later says something else about whether or not it was Bucky's fault- that's a TFATWS issue, not a Civil War issue- but also, if I'm remembering the show correctly, it was less that he was being forced to make amends and more that he personally still felt guilty. Whether or not he was in control of himself, his body did those things and that's gonna mess him up mentally. It doesn't mean it was his fault, but it can also be true that he wants to make up for when his body was used as a weapon. I also never said I was faulting tony for holding bucky responsible- his reaction was understandable in the moment, just that he started the fight, which is objectively true.

-Yes, steve was absolutely in the right to prevent tony from killing bucky. Again, Tony's reaction was understandable, but Bucky was brainwashed so killing him would not have been justified. I don't care who you think should rank higher on Steve's friendship list, it was the right move for him to prevent Tony from murdering Bucky. And he literally did stop at incapacitating him! If they "quite happily would have killed him", why didn't they kill him? Why'd they leave? They'd just incapacitated Tony's offensive capabilities by damaging the Arc Reactor, it's not like Tony could have stopped them at that point.

-There's also nothing to support the assumption that Tony would have just died there. As @Coryo points out, his suit still had some form of mobility and he had a phone on him. The rest just seems like general Steve hate that isn't really relevant to this assertion that the siberia fight is Steve and Bucky jumping Tony or something.

 

But in the end whatever you personally think about the Siberia fight, I doubt it would prevent lego from making an epic moment set on it at some point down the line.

Edited Saturday at 07:00 PM by Mandalorianknight

[G_Brickley]

Another possibility I could see for an Epic Moments set is the final Helicarrier fight from Winter Soldier. They already have 90% of the Winter Soldier figure and the relevant Captain America (well, technically it's not the right Cap since it's the WW2 suit and not the Smithsonian one, but considering Lego doesn't see the difference between the AoU and Civil War suits I doubt they'd be picky here). Chuck in a Falcon and we could have a solid first ever (I may be wrong here) Winter Soldier set!

The format would be great for comic sets as well (though I'm aware how unlikely that is). I'm thinking cover recreations like Amazing Fantasy #15 or Avengers #4. Again, it'd never happen but this subline has promise and I hope Lego's able to keep up with that.

[Mandalorianknight]

3 hours ago, G_Brickley said:

Another possibility I could see for an Epic Moments set is the final Helicarrier fight from Winter Soldier. They already have 90% of the Winter Soldier figure and the relevant Captain America (well, technically it's not the right Cap since it's the WW2 suit and not the Smithsonian one, but considering Lego doesn't see the difference between the AoU and Civil War suits I doubt they'd be picky here). Chuck in a Falcon and we could have a solid first ever (I may be wrong here) Winter Soldier set!

The format would be great for comic sets as well (though I'm aware how unlikely that is). I'm thinking cover recreations like Amazing Fantasy #15 or Avengers #4. Again, it'd never happen but this subline has promise and I hope Lego's able to keep up with that.

That one would be excellent, and I hope we see it in 2026 or 2027. (We've technically had the winter soldier polybag but I don't know if I'd count that as a "set")

The cover recreations would be difficult. A lot of classic comic covers either have basically no background to make a build for (Avengers #4) or would require forced-perspective building that would be tough to pull off in the "black base with builds extending from it" epic moment format (Amazing Fantasy #15). Believe me, I'd love more comic sets, but I don't think cover recreations would work super well in the epic moment format.