Marvel Superheroes 2025 - Rumors & Discussion

[Mandalorianknight]

8 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

There's no connection between Vison and Simon in the MCU (presumably) so a love triangle wouldn't make sense here. Unless Vision is still pretending like he's dead for some reason and that Wanda has to move on (that's a real life lesson which only works in real life, not in a universe where nobody stays dead) and she falls in love with Simon.

I remember hearing that Born Again was originally intended as a sort of soft reboot for Daredevil and the Netflix characters before they changed that idea due to backlash. That might explain why Punisher goes through a sort of soft reboot as well, like no time has past since his show ended and he has to go through his arc again. It was basically Disney trying to remake those characters in a Disney+ format without being beholden to the original Netflix shows.

Considering the lackluster classic Thor we got once and the lack of Beta Ray Bill, I can't see any 90s Thor variants coming anytime soon. I really liked his Fortnite figure for the Herald outfit but I imagine like 99% of the Fortnite figures, we'll never see that materialize. I think Iron Man and Black Panther get more variants mainly because all their costumes are basically armor variations. You don't have to worry too much about making them look unrecognizable.

I don't think Elektra's outfit is really that revealing so much as impractical. Especially when She-Hulk shows more skin in her outfit/Lego minifigs. But most modern costumes for Elektra do cover her up more. Presumably, if Wolverine, Punisher and all the Marvel villains can get minifigs, despite all the blood on their hands, Elektra being an assassin wouldn't be a point against her. I agree with you that they'll probably just make Punisher more cartoony when it comes to his weapons. I think Blade is more hurt by being rather irrelevant at this point. HIs movies are so far back in the public zeitgeist that most kids wouldn't know of him or that he's a rated-R character.

In his first appearance, his costume was red and black. Like an actual spider's colors before the black gradually turned into blue due to comic book coloring. A red and black classic Spider-Man would be a nice variant. Or the dark blue like you said.

Yeah I just don't see it happening. You have to do too much work to make it make sense, and I don't really think Wanda and Wonder man are all that big a part of eachother's lives in the comics anymore. Simon's been on plenty of crazy arcs about being pure energy or whatever, and Wanda's been concretely with vision for decades.

Yup- assumably that's why kingpin's out of jail and yet just running some small russian mob- and endowed with MCU level super strength- in Hawkeye and why Daredevil acts so out of character in she hulk. As for Punisher, that doesn't make sense to me either, because reboot or not, we're being introduced to punisher as if he retired, and it's never explained why he did so.

I think Herald Thor is more likely than the other fortnite variants because it's been a major costume for him outside of fortnite. Aside from showing up in Rivals and other media as not a fortnite costume, it was his main costume for a bit in the comics during all the Black Winter stuff.

I think She-hulk got away with it partly because lego didn't censor costumes as much back then and partly because her skin is green. I imagine if we ever got Electra today, it'd be her new costume that's essentially Daredevil in a ponytail and scarf, since unlike her classic design with the skullcap it wouldn't require a new mold, and it also wouldn't need to be toned down. (Not that it would generally, but they toned down Black Cat and gave Huttslayer Leia swim trunks, so at this point I think they're a lot more modest with the outfits.)

7 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

I'm happy for Steve and hope that means Peggy is coming too (either the real Peggy or Captain Carter. I imagine there will be a team-up scene between Steve and Captain Carter in Secret Wars). RDJ as Doom is stunt casting at its worst. Reducing Marvel's biggest villain to what's probably a Tony variant is one of the worst decisions they could have made. I think that would have worked better if they made RDJ Kang since Tony and Kang have a lot of connections in the comics. I didn't know there were rumors about ScarJo coming back but she's someone I'd rather stay dead. I don't really see what can be gained by her returning, unless it'll be a variant of her we encounter (like in the What If? series where one of the Natashas bonds with Captain Carter).

Unfortunately, Thunderbolts grossing the least out of the MCU movies this year, plus it being one of the least streamed MCU movies on Disney+, means that even with all the positive critical attention, it probably won't have much of a future. I think Thor is done as a solo hero. He'll probably continue as a supporting character especially since Chris Hemsworth has no Hollywood career outside of Thor and he seems game to constantly return. But I'm not expecting Thor 5. Hulk's biggest asset is that he was never a solo hero, so the fact that he can't have his own solo films means he can have a lot of longevity as a supporting character. I think they won't retire Hulk for that reason and Thor will end up in a similar position, where as damaged as their characters are, they can keep returning in supporting roles. Ant-Man characters are all over. No one ever cared for Ant-Man and I hope Quantumania's failure means that his screentime is reduced as much as possible in Doomsday. No point wasting time on a useless character from a failed franchise that has nothing left to offer the universe. MCU's failure was relying on irrelevant characters like Scott and it will continue to die a slow death if they keep bringing Scott back. Hopefully his part in Doomsday is just getting killed off since Evangeline Lily has retired, and the Hank and Janet actors both wanted to be killed off already. There's literally no one in the Ant-Man family left that warrants keeping Scott around. Killing him off also helps set up Cassie for the Young Avengers, assuming that hasn't already been shelved. Hawkeye also seems done due to the payment issue. That's also fine with me since MCU Hawkeye was always a bore and lacks the personality he has from the comics. 

Whether or not they're variants, I don't really want any of the dead characters coming back. You can tell me it's a different guy, but if it's the same face and- in the case of Steve and Nat- essentially the same personality, it's the same character.

Yes, as much as I'd like to see more thunderbolts, it's unlikely. I agree that Thor, Hulk, and Ant-Man are essentially done outside of team ups. 

There's just nobody left. If you look at your teams, they tried to set up the young avengers (failure), Sam's avengers (to the extent you can even call it setup, but 100% failure), Thunderbolts (critical success and fan-favorite, but unfortunate financial failure), and the F4 (A bit more successful financially than thunderbolts, but not as critically well-received, and still not actually a moneymaker.). We went over that the only surviving old characters with any real goodwill are Spider-Man and maybe Dr. Strange. And then besides that they've only got pre-MCU characters like Deadpool and Wolverine or the other spiders. I can see how they got to the point of bringing back the characters that died before they could destroy them, but it's a very shortsighted plan that'll get you one or two more hits while every project not including them suffers.

If you put me in charge of the MCU (Waiting for my offer letter, Feige, I have 0 experience or skills in this area), what I'd do is immediately and dramatically axe the quantity of movies being released. If you won't let me reboot the universe, I'd do this: I'd put a Cosmic Avengers/Annihilators movie into development with the new guardians for the space-based stuff. We would be going down to 3 total movies and/or shows a year, but the plus would be these would ideally MAKE money, not lose hundreds of millions of dollars. For the earth based stuff,  I'd do some damage control for Daredevil and start setting up Marvel Knights/Midnight Sons as the next big franchise. I'd let the X-men rest a few more years too, aside from Deadpool and Wolverine continuing their adventures in their own universe without MCU branding.

[calebcold3]

Assuming that the 2 18+ April  2026 Sets (76345 + 76354) are more Busts like the ones we got this year (Iron Man Mark IV + Iron Spider), what characters do you think they will be?

I know one of these sounds like a pipedream, but I'm hoping for these two to be: 

• Ant-Man (reuses the same minifigure from this year's Endgame Final Battle Set)
• Raimi Spidey Black Symbiote Suit (includes the debut of the Raimi Spidey Black Symbiote Suit as a LEGO minifigure)

[BrickBob Studpants]

54 minutes ago, calebcold3 said:

Raimi Spidey Black Symbiote Suit (includes the debut of the Raimi Spidey Black Symbiote Suit as a LEGO minifigure)

TLG: Did I hear Venom?? Say no more!!

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23 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

MCU Hawkeye was always a bore and lacks the personality he has from the comics. 

I actually love MCU Hawkeye! He was always my second favourite of the original Avengers after Tony, and I think Jeremy Renner did an excellent job bringing him to life. The thing about Clint, though, is that a) he's very very stoic and b) he has very little ego. It's what makes him interesting to me especially compared to people like Tony and Steven Strange. I can appreciate someone who just wants to get the job done, doesn't even necessarily want recognition for it, has a sense of humour about himself, and won't whine incessantly about how bad he has it (yes I'm looking at you, Yelena). But I feel like the writers don't think that's engaging enough, which is why even Hawkeye's solo show was mostly about people other than Hawkeye (though the parts with Clint in them were excellent). I give Kate a pass because she's at leat A Hawkeye if not THE Hawkeye, but all the shilling of Yelena and Echo was annoying. And it seems to have done little good given that no-one went on to watch Echo's show, and that most of the Thunderbolts audience probably wasn't there for Yelena either.

14 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Whether or not they're variants, I don't really want any of the dead characters coming back. You can tell me it's a different guy, but if it's the same face and- in the case of Steve and Nat- essentially the same personality, it's the same character.

I think both Loki and GotG 3 handled this as well as they could with Loki and Gamora. Loki especially is the reason why I'm not totally against it. But yeah, I wouldn't want it to become a regular thing. And in Loki's case it was definitely helped by several facts:

- Loki's story was nowhere near finished at the time of his death. Which would not be the case with either Steve or Natasha. They both got their send-off and their closure.
- We then got ample time to really get to know this new Loki better than we'd ever known the old one. He'd only been a supporting character up to that point.
- The other characters on Loki's show hadn't known Loki previously. I think dumping a variant of Steve or Nat onto the remaining Avengers and having them treat him/her like their old friend would be extremely weird. And if they have to learn that the new variant is not in fact their old friend, well we've already been over this very issue with Gamora and don't need to rehash it, plus there likely wouldn't be time in an Avengers movie to do such a plot point justice.

Other than that: Like I've said before I would include Star-Lord (all of the Guardians really) and Loki in the list of characters who retain audience goodwill. GotG 3 and Loki's show were well-received. But apart from them, yeah, there's not much. The only characters introduced post-Endgame that I personally liked AND that I feel could carry a story were Agatha Harkness and John Walker/the Thunderbolts (but with WAY less focus on Yelena, please). I also wouldn't mind seeing Billy, Kamala, and possibly Kate again as well but I'm nowhere near as invested in them, and I can't imagine anything good coming out of seeing all three of them (plus Cassie and whoever else Feige digs up) together. The Young Avengers, I feel, work best in small doses.

Finally we were just discussing this at home the other day: What are the odds that the entire "casting RDJ as Doom" thing is a gigantic marketing ploy and he's actually playing an Iron Man variant (unrelated to Doom) with Doom being played by someone else (similar to the asteriks after Thunderbolts standing for The New Avengers)? Though truth be told I'm not even sure that would be much better (regarding the whole "dead characters coming back" issue).

Edited Monday at 11:13 AM by brickbride

[JeanGreyForever]

14 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Yeah I just don't see it happening. You have to do too much work to make it make sense, and I don't really think Wanda and Wonder man are all that big a part of eachother's lives in the comics anymore. Simon's been on plenty of crazy arcs about being pure energy or whatever, and Wanda's been concretely with vision for decades.

Yup- assumably that's why kingpin's out of jail and yet just running some small russian mob- and endowed with MCU level super strength- in Hawkeye and why Daredevil acts so out of character in she hulk. As for Punisher, that doesn't make sense to me either, because reboot or not, we're being introduced to punisher as if he retired, and it's never explained why he did so.

I think Herald Thor is more likely than the other fortnite variants because it's been a major costume for him outside of fortnite. Aside from showing up in Rivals and other media as not a fortnite costume, it was his main costume for a bit in the comics during all the Black Winter stuff.

I think She-hulk got away with it partly because lego didn't censor costumes as much back then and partly because her skin is green. I imagine if we ever got Electra today, it'd be her new costume that's essentially Daredevil in a ponytail and scarf, since unlike her classic design with the skullcap it wouldn't require a new mold, and it also wouldn't need to be toned down. (Not that it would generally, but they toned down Black Cat and gave Huttslayer Leia swim trunks, so at this point I think they're a lot more modest with the outfits.)

Whether or not they're variants, I don't really want any of the dead characters coming back. You can tell me it's a different guy, but if it's the same face and- in the case of Steve and Nat- essentially the same personality, it's the same character.

Yes, as much as I'd like to see more thunderbolts, it's unlikely. I agree that Thor, Hulk, and Ant-Man are essentially done outside of team ups. 

There's just nobody left. If you look at your teams, they tried to set up the young avengers (failure), Sam's avengers (to the extent you can even call it setup, but 100% failure), Thunderbolts (critical success and fan-favorite, but unfortunate financial failure), and the F4 (A bit more successful financially than thunderbolts, but not as critically well-received, and still not actually a moneymaker.). We went over that the only surviving old characters with any real goodwill are Spider-Man and maybe Dr. Strange. And then besides that they've only got pre-MCU characters like Deadpool and Wolverine or the other spiders. I can see how they got to the point of bringing back the characters that died before they could destroy them, but it's a very shortsighted plan that'll get you one or two more hits while every project not including them suffers.

If you put me in charge of the MCU (Waiting for my offer letter, Feige, I have 0 experience or skills in this area), what I'd do is immediately and dramatically axe the quantity of movies being released. If you won't let me reboot the universe, I'd do this: I'd put a Cosmic Avengers/Annihilators movie into development with the new guardians for the space-based stuff. We would be going down to 3 total movies and/or shows a year, but the plus would be these would ideally MAKE money, not lose hundreds of millions of dollars. For the earth based stuff,  I'd do some damage control for Daredevil and start setting up Marvel Knights/Midnight Sons as the next big franchise. I'd let the X-men rest a few more years too, aside from Deadpool and Wolverine continuing their adventures in their own universe without MCU branding.

The last time Wanda and Simon were together was during Rick Remender's Uncanny Avengers run. They were a couple then but this was still pre-MCU for Wanda. I don't think Marvel would stick her with a C-Lister anymore especially after the success of WandaVision. Comic fans will expect to see her with Vision and from what I've heard, she and Vision are back together now or at least more closely linked again. But they were apart for basically the entirety of the 2000s/2010s and even in the late 90s, she was involved in a love triangle with Vision and Simon and I think mostly linked to Simon after the loss of her children in the 80s.

I did notice Kingpin seemed a lot stronger in Hawkeye than he ever was in the Daredevil show. The characterizations for the Netflix characters seem all over the place so it's clear Disney didn't really know what to do with them and how to fit them in the MCU properly. 

Honestly, it would be really nice to see many of the Fortnite minifigs actually made in real life. I wish the next Marvel CMF could just be a line of those characters, but I imagine it would be hard to only pick 12. And so many of those figures are superior to the ones we actually got. The FF stand out in particular with dual molded legs/arms which just makes it more sickening that Lego recognized they needed dual molding but still didn't give them any in the physical set. Rogue, Gambit, and Cyclops have way superior Fortnite minfigs over the physical ones we got. For Dark Phoenix, they actually gave her pearl gold instead of the yellow they gave the SDCC Phoenix minifigure. You can go on and on. For Thor, I'd be really shocked if we get any minifigure not from the MCU anytime in the next 5 years. They can't even get his costumes from the MCU correct, often reusing the same torso for the wrong movies.

There was a joke in the 80s She-Hulk comics about her getting away with nudity because she was green. Marvel's heroines do seem a lot more covered up now (Carol Danvers being the biggest example). The Lego Marvel Super Heroes game did give us Carol as Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Elektra, and Psylocke and they're all basically in bathing suits but Disney seems more averse to that now. Outside of She-Hulk, we never got any minifig from those characters in their "bathing suit" costumes. Black Cat tends to be especially sexualized which is probably why they toned down her design and removed the cleavage. And it always makes me laugh that they gave Leia dual molding when so many Marvel and Disney characters actually need that but never get it.

In Steve's case, it doesn't seem like it's a variant but the real deal. And especially since RDJ won't really be our Tony, I don't think they'd take that risk and have Chris Evans be another Steve. They'll want some sort of attachment for the audiences to latch onto emotionally.

The funny thing is that the whole Kang debacle can't even be blamed for not setting up Sam's Avengers because Doomsday was originally Kang's Dynasty which presumably would have also introduced Sam's Avengers. So we were still going to have to wait this long for the team reveal. There's really no explanation as to why they dropped the ball on this team so much, especially since this would have been planned long before The Marvels flopped or BNW flopped. It's almost like they never really had any faith in Sam and his team in the first place because it's all so half-hearted. I think I read that if you account for inflation, the 2005 FF was actually more profitable than the new MCU one. Which is fine with me since I much preferred those 2000s FF movies and think they were more accurate in spirit, whereas the MCU one was just obsessed with a 1960s aesthetic but had no substance beyond that. There's a reason that most audiences stayed away and even the ones who did watch felt it was just meh. 

Feige and James Gunn have a good enough relationship that Gunn could return to the MCU to do another GOTG movie, even while helming the DCU. Would be nice to see the real Silver Surfer pop up. I'd like to see a Marvel Knights or especially Midnight Sons movie. Although the latter would be hard to pull off without Strange and Wanda, and also with no real Blade and Ghost Rider introduced yet. I know the X-Men are meant to be the next big thing in the MCU but people said that about the FF as well and we saw how they fizzled out. The X-Men are going to be completely recast with young, new actors which is basically what the Fox universe did with the First Class and Apocalypse movies. That cast was never accepted by the public so it's ludicrous to me that Feige thinks he'll have a better attempt at recasting. First Class was meant as a soft reboot after the failure of Wolverine Origins (which also led to the cancellation of the Magneto Origins movie that more or less was turned into First Class) but the film didn't do well at the box office. It made Fox panic enough that they decided to do DOFP next to bring back the original X-Men cast. That film was a huge success because it brought back the original cast and was the highest grossing X-Men movie until Deadpool & Wolverine. Both films have the original cast coming back, which is also what Doomsday is hinging on, so I don't know how Feige thinks he can set up a new X-Men cast that will be accepted after the last hurrah of the original FoX-Men cast in Doomsday/Secret Wars. Especially since even in the First Class movies, they kept Wolverine the same, but Feige seems to think audiences will accept a Wolverine recast without Hugh Jackman. 

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11 minutes ago, JeanGreyForever said:

I did notice Kingpin seemed a lot stronger in Hawkeye than he ever was in the Daredevil show. The characterizations for the Netflix characters seem all over the place so it's clear Disney didn't really know what to do with them and how to fit them in the MCU properly. 

To be fair that's a general problem within the MCU - characters' powers varying based on whatever the plot demands. Loki's a powerful thousand-year-old sorcerer but somehow didn't even use magic when confronting Thanos, and before that was defeated by Strange - a relative novice in comparison - without Strange breaking a sweat. Carol can zap across the galaxy in a heartbeat except for when Monica needs to sacrifice herself inside a fast-closing portal. John Walker fought the Sam/Bucky combo to a draw single-handedly in TFATWS, but somehow couldn't defeat Yelena (who is not enhanced AND is a tiny woman) inthe vault scene of Thunderbolts because with Yelena dead immediately we wouldn't have had a movie. And so on and so on.

Chris Evans' character is supposed to be the real Steve Rogers? Ugh that's so much worse than casting RDJ as Doom even.

As for the X-Men recasting, I love Michael Fassbender's take on Magneto. I can take or leave the rest, however.

Edited Monday at 11:25 AM by brickbride

[JeanGreyForever]

41 minutes ago, brickbride said:

I actually love MCU Hawkeye! He was always my second favourite of the original Avengers after Tony, and I think Jeremy Renner did an excellent job bringing him to life. The thing about Clint, though, is that a) he's very very stoic and b) he has very little ego. It's what makes him interesting to me especially compared to people like Tony and Steven Strange. I can appreciate someone who just wants to get the job done, doesn't even necessarily want recognition for it, has a sense of humour about himself, and won't whine incessantly about how bad he has it (yes I'm looking at you, Yelena). But I feel like the writers don't think that's engaging enough, which is why even Hawkeye's solo show was mostly about people other than Hawkeye (though the parts with Clint in them were excellent). I give Kate a pass because she's at leat A Hawkeye if not THE Hawkeye, but all the shilling of Yelena and Echo was annoying. And it seems to have done little good given that no-one went on to watch Echo's show, and that most of the Thunderbolts audience probably wasn't there for Yelena either.

Stoic is probably the issue I have with him. Comic book Hawkeye isn't meant to be characterized as stoic. He's a wisecracker, constantly taunting his teammates and thinking he's better than everyone. A real jerk, especially to Cap, which is partly out of jealousy and insecurity for lacking any actual powers (he starts using the Pym Particles to become Goliath for a while to compensate). They turned MCU Hawkeye into a more stable character who's suddenly a family man. His caustic personality at odds with Cap was basically given to Tony instead. And in the comics, Clint is probably the Avenger with the biggest ego so the fact that the MCU Clint is the one with the least amount of ego also shows how drastically they failed to capture the character. He lacks the leadership role that he develops in the comics as well, when he starts leading the West Coast Avengers and even the Thunderbolts. MCU Hawkeye is basically just Clint in name only. His portrayal in the Hawkeye show was probably his best just because it's the closest to the comic material but like you said, it's more focused on Kate Bishop, in order to spearhead a Young Avengers cast. And I think that was partially also because Disney knew Hawkeye wasn't popular enough to get his own movie and even his own TV show would be a hard sell, whereas comic Hawkeye tends to be one of the most popular characters. Echo was pretty obscure even in the comics and I think they just focused on her in the MCU because they liked the representation she offered. Yelena was more placed in the show because they wanted to replicate the Clint/Nat relationship with their younger counterparts. Both Kate and Yelena have been pretty well received by audiences but neither have become household names or really taken off in popularity.

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Edited Monday at 11:28 AM by brickbride

[JeanGreyForever]

Just now, brickbride said:

To be fair that's a general problem within the MCU - characters' powers varying based on whatever the plot demands. Loki's a powerful thousand-year-old sorcerer but somehow didn't even used magic when confronting Thanos. Carol can zap across the galaxy in a heartbeat except for when Monica needs to sacrifice herself inside a fast-closing portal. John Walker fought the Sam/Bucky combo to a draw single-handedly in TFATWS, but somehow Yelena was an equal match for him in the vault scene of Thunderbolts. And so on and so on.

Yeah, that's why I didn't question Kingpin's boost in strength in Hawkeye too much. Since I didn't see DD: Born Again, I didn't realize this is something they've kept for him now. I've only seen Black Widow and Hawkeye once each so I don't remember now if Yelena was depicted as an expert fighter, on par with Natasha, and if that means she'd be equal in fighting prowess to Sam, Bucky, and John by extension. But considering she's a Black Widow who was trained all her life to be an assassin since she was a child, I didn't find it implausible that she'd hold her own against John. Technically speaking, she's probably more experienced than he is. Even in Civil War, Bucky was able to hold off Steve, Sharon, Natasha (and I think some other Avengers characters) all at once, so you can see how inconsistent these characters all are depending on whatever story or situation they're placed in. 

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4 minutes ago, JeanGreyForever said:

(...) so the fact that the MCU Clint is the one with the least amount of ego also shows how drastically they failed to capture the character. (...) MCU Hawkeye is basically just Clint in name only. His portrayal in the Hawkeye show was probably his best just because it's the closest to the comic material (...)

Yeah, I think it's just a difference of perspective. I don't care about Comics Hawkeye and like Clint in the MCU for who he is. (Frankly the person you describe sounds like the last thing we need in a universe that already contains RDJ's Tony and Benedict Cumberbatch's Strange). You don't like MCU Clint because he's not Comic Clint. Both are valid.

[JeanGreyForever]

57 minutes ago, brickbride said:

Like I've said before, I would also include Star-Lord (all of the Guardians really) and Loki in the list of characters who retain audience goodwill. GotG 3 and Loki's show were well-received. Other than that, yeah, there's not much. The only characters introduced post-Endgame that I personally liked AND that I feel could carry a story were Agatha Harkness and John Walker/the Thunderbolts (but with WAY less focus on Yelena, please). I also wouldn't mind seeing Billy, Kamala, and possibly Kate again as well but I'm nowhere near as invested in them, and I can't imagine anything good coming out of seeing all three of them (plus Cassie and whoever else Feige digs up) together. The Young Avengers, I feel, work best in small doses.

Finally we were just discussing this at home the other day: What are the odds that the entire "casting RDJ as Doom" thing is a gigantic marketing ploy and he's actually playing an Iron Man variant (unrelated to Doom) with Doom being played by someone else? Though truth be told I'm not even sure that would be much better (regarding the whole "dead characters coming back" issue).

GOTG is still really popular and well-liked. A lot of audience goodwill towards those characters. I think Gamora should be retired now but the rest would all make sense as continuing on. Star-Lord isn't part of the team anymore but him showing up in Doomsday means that Chris Pratt is still game to come back.

I don't think Agatha would be able to carry a story, not on film anyway. Not sure about the viewership for Agatha All Along but I think it was one of the least-watched Disney+ shows and it seemed fairly disconnected from the rest of the MCU, outside of Billy and teases for Wanda. The little bit of attention the show did get was purely based on the goodwill for WandaVision and Wanda's character. Similarly, John and the whole Thunderbolts team have proven they can't lead their own film. Bucky is the most well-known character and both FatWS and Thunderbolts have proven twice over that audiences don't care to see him except as a side addition to Steve Rogers. I don't think any post-Endgame characters are really capable of leading their own movies or the franchise. All the goodwill is for previously existing characters like Spidey, Strange, Wanda, GOTG, Daredevil, etc. Shang-Chi is the only one who did get a lot of goodwill but the failure to do anything with him since has probably killed his momentum. 

I think Doom not being played by RDJ would be too much of a blatant-faced lie (like JJ Abrams saying Benedict Cumberbatch wasn't playing Khan) and would backfire. I think it's possible Doom is opting to use Tony's face if he's not a variant, especially to engender trust in the other characters. And there's also a good chance that RDJ has multiple roles if we see him playing an Iron Man variant as well, in addition to Doom. But whatever the case, RDJ is going to be the main character and face of the movie, because if they're paying him as much as they are, Disney will want their money's worth. If RDJ wasn't Doom, it would beg the question as to who the real actor is and with leak culture, I don't think they could conceal that some other big actor (because it would have to be a big name to stand up to this cast) is involved and playing the main part. Feige apparently said that RDJ played Doom in the FF end-credits scene although I did find it suspicious since you'd think they'd show his face or give him some lines then.

10 minutes ago, brickbride said:

Yeah, I think it's just a difference of perspective. I don't care about Comics Hawkeye and like Clint in the MCU for who he is. (Frankly the person you describe sounds like the last thing we need in a universe that already contains RDJ's Tony and Benedict Cumberbatch's Strange). You don't like MCU Clint because he's not Comic Clint. Both are valid.

Agreed. To be fair, I wasn't even familiar with comic Hawkeye until way after the MCU. I never read anything with him in the comics since my reading list was usually based on the X-Men, FF, or Spider-Man. I knew comic Hawkeye was very popular with fans but the appeal was lost on me since I wasn't familiar with him outside of his purple costume and the fact that he has no real powers. My intro to the character was mainly through the MCU and even as a fan of Jeremy Renner from Mission Impossible, I remember feeling he was really dull and colorless in Avengers. Felt very tacked on in the movie and AoU basically had to invent a family for him to try and make him relevant. It was only recently that I started reading the 60s/70s comic books with Clint and I finally realized why he's so beloved with comic fans. So in my case, it's not that I disliked MCU Hawkeye because he wasn't the comic Hawkeye. 

But I'll also say that in general, I'm not a fan of most MCU character interpretations. I've mentioned before that I was never really into the MCU (and based on the comic books I mentioned reading above, you can see my interest was mostly in the Fox or Sony properties rather than anything Disney was making) so I never had that strong a relationship with it and only got interested around AoU when Wanda, Pietro, and Vision were added to the cast. 

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2 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

I don't think Agatha would be able to carry a story, not on film anyway. Not sure about the viewership for Agatha All Along but I think it was one of the least-watched Disney+ shows and it seemed fairly disconnected from the rest of the MCU, outside of Billy and teases for Wanda. The little bit of attention the show did get was purely based on the goodwill for WandaVision and Wanda's character. Similarly, John and the whole Thunderbolts team have proven they can't lead their own film. Bucky is the most well-known character and both FatWS and Thunderbolts have proven twice over that audiences don't care to see him except as a side addition to Steve Rogers. I don't think any post-Endgame characters are really capable of leading their own movies or the franchise. All the goodwill is for previously existing characters like Spidey, Strange, Wanda, GOTG, Daredevil, etc. Shang-Chi is the only one who did get a lot of goodwill but the failure to do anything with him since has probably killed his momentum. 

Agatha carried her own show the way Loki carried his. Sure her show was kind of niche but she's an engaging character, that's what I meant. Similarly, the Thunderbolts (John especially) are engaging enough that people want to see more of them. Bucky is more well-known and has been around for longer but like you've said, he's basically a sidekick - the same as Sam.

I disagree about Shang-Chi as well, I think the character was actually the weak point of his own movie. His father, mother, sister, aunt, and best friend were all more engaging than Shang-Chi himself. Though to be fair he was more engaging than Falconcap in BNW but then again pretty much everyone would be. Those two teaming up would not work well. Especially if they then got together with, say War Machine (by the way was that the real Rhodey in episode 1 of TFATWS or the Skrull imposter? I'm kind of losing track of that particular plot point).

The writers need to give us more truly conflicted characters. Not just "This person is the hero and therefore always right"(aka Sam aka Steve) and "This person has done bad things but it totally wasn't their fault" (aka Bucky aka Yelena).

Edited Monday at 01:58 PM by brickbride

[Lego Nostalgia]

I really like Hawkeye, he was cool in Endgame, underrated character and he deserved better, now he has been replaced

I hope all the Phase 4 rejects get killed by Doom and the OG'S,X-Men,Deadpool,Wolverine,Blade,Moon Knight,Daredevil,Punisher,Three Spidey's, Doctor Strange save the day

[brickbride]

6 minutes ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

I hope all the Phase 4 rejects get killed by Doom

I can't see Disney going for that. Those "Phase 4 rejects" between themselves have a bunch of movies and series about them all available for streaming on Disney+. Featuring the characters in Doomsday (even in a small role as long as they get a few good lines or a noteworthy feat) might generate interest in them and lead to more streaming revenue; killing them all off would kill off any interest in them and thus reduce revenue. It's probably as simple as that.

Edited Monday at 06:27 PM by brickbride

[Lego Nostalgia]

1 minute ago, brickbride said:

I can't see Disney going for that. Those "Phase 4 rejects" between themselves have a bunch of movies and series about them all available for streaming on Disney+. Featuring the characters in Doomsday (even in a small role as long as they get a few good lines or a noteworthy feat) might generate interest in them and lead to more streaming revenue; killing them all off would kill off any interest in them and thus reduce revenue. It's probably as simple as that.

The Brand has been hurt so much by Phase 4 and 5 that only the OG's and 2000's heroes can bring back any hype, These 2 movies are heavily based on bringing back very well loved characters and if they weren't in it then these movies would barely make 700M, no one wants to just see a movie about Thunderbolts, Black Panther's Sister, Iron Heart, Captain Marvel, Falcon Cap, Shang-Chi Vs Iron Man Doom

Phase 4 was a mistake, they introduced the wrong characters, they thought the brand could never fail and that anyone would consume the product because it had the Marvel logo on it, the replacements of the OG 6 made lots turn away, They should have introduced MCU Blade, Ghost Rider, X-Men as soon as possible

I swear to God if Captain Carter and Ms Marvel are the ones to defeat Doom

All those Shows and Movies flopped, no one cares besides a small few who I can't understand love this new era more than the last

Look at your Toy Aisle and see which Action Figures are left and piled up on shelves, there's still Black Panther 2 and Shang Chi stuff around

I really miss the 2000s-2018 Marvel Movie era

[Coryo]

12 hours ago, calebcold3 said:

Assuming that the 2 18+ April  2026 Sets (76345 + 76354) are more Busts like the ones we got this year (Iron Man Mark IV + Iron Spider), what characters do you think they will be?

I know one of these sounds like a pipedream, but I'm hoping for these two to be: 

• Ant-Man (reuses the same minifigure from this year's Endgame Final Battle Set)
• Raimi Spidey Black Symbiote Suit (includes the debut of the Raimi Spidey Black Symbiote Suit as a LEGO minifigure)

I assume they'll stick to a rule of only fully masked/armoured characters, Ant-Man and Black Panther seem likely, maybe Doom a little later in the year. Although since the Iron Man bust is retiring sooner than initially intended, it seems like this line might be less successful than they'd hoped and may not last for too much longer.

It would be a shame if the Raimi Symbiote suit was exclusive to an 18+ bust though. I also sort of resent the fact that they put a worse version of Iron Spider in the regular Endgame set just to make the bust seem like better value. It's possible that Ant-Man might get a similar treatment, since they skipped out on giving him leg printing in his first proper minifig appearance since 2018.

4 hours ago, brickbride said:

The writers need to give us more truly conflicted characters. Not just "This person is the hero and therefore always right"(aka Sam aka Steve) and "This person has done bad things but it totally wasn't their fault" (aka Bucky aka Yelena).

Riri fits this reasonably well, she has an inherent compassion and vulnerability in her that exists right alongside her more unethical tendencies and personality flaws. She's one of the few characters that I would consider to be far more compelling in the MCU than her comic counterpart.

7 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Shang-Chi is the only one who did get a lot of goodwill but the failure to do anything with him since has probably killed his momentum. 

This is probably the main issue with the way the newer heroes have been introduced, characters like Ant-Man and Doctor Strange wouldn't be nearly as popular without their team-up appearances with the pre-existing Avengers characters immediately after their introductions. Even if their solo movies didn't make a massive impact on the audience, their interactions with the larger universe helped build their goodwill immensely, it definitely seems like a huge mistake to have not had any large scale team-up movies throughout phases 4/5.

[Lego Nostalgia]

If our first ever Lego Elektra is the Daredevil version I'll go mad, Her costume isn't revealing at all, just the legs, nothing major

That female pirate hair and bandanna piece would work well for her but its retired i think

Crazy how we got minifig descriptions for the Batmobiles but nothing for the Marvel sets 

[brickbride]

20 hours ago, calebcold3 said:

Assuming that the 2 18+ April  2026 Sets (76345 + 76354) are more Busts like the ones we got this year (Iron Man Mark IV + Iron Spider), what characters do you think they will be?

I think Venom, Carnage, or Star-Lord might be the most likely since all of them have got helmet sets already. The Venom and Carnage ones are a couple of years old and LEGO loves Venom, so I'd expect him at the very least.

Other than that, Captain America (Steve, that is)? Yes he's not fully masked but I think hair is the real challenge to build with LEGO bricks (Thor is probably out of the question solely because of that), so displaying him with the helmet and the lower half of his face might work. Falconcap might be doable too since he has very short hair, but he's not popular enough, I think they'd want to stick to the classics.

Black Panther would be another option since the same bust could represent either T'Calla or Shuri, so between the two of them the character might have enough of an audience to count, and they already did a Black Panther bust so clearly they think it's doable and will look good. On the other hand the previous set failed so I don't know.

Hulk might be yet another option as he's very recognisable (for the colour if nothing else) and has short enough hair for it to work. But then we'd run into a scaling problem since a Hulk bust really should not be the size of the other busts. Of course that hasn't stopped LEGO from giving us Hulk minifigs all the time.

I can't think of any option that would rival the popularity of the Spidey/Iron-Man combo, though.

Edited yesterday at 02:34 AM by brickbride

[Mandalorianknight]

15 hours ago, brickbride said:

I think both Loki and GotG 3 handled this as well as they could with Loki and Gamora. Loki especially is the reason why I'm not totally against it. But yeah, I wouldn't want it to become a regular thing. And in Loki's case it was definitely helped by several facts:

- Loki's story was nowhere near finished at the time of his death. Which would not be the case with either Steve or Natasha. They both got their send-off and their closure.
- We then got ample time to really get to know this new Loki better than we'd ever known the old one. He'd only been a supporting character up to that point.
- The other characters on Loki's show hadn't known Loki previously. I think dumping a variant of Steve or Nat onto the remaining Avengers and having them treat him/her like their old friend would be extremely weird. And if they have to learn that the new variant is not in fact their old friend, well we've already been over this very issue with Gamora and don't need to rehash it, plus there likely wouldn't be time in an Avengers movie to do such a plot point justice.

Other than that: Like I've said before I would include Star-Lord (all of the Guardians really) and Loki in the list of characters who retain audience goodwill. GotG 3 and Loki's show were well-received. But apart from them, yeah, there's not much. The only characters introduced post-Endgame that I personally liked AND that I feel could carry a story were Agatha Harkness and John Walker/the Thunderbolts (but with WAY less focus on Yelena, please). I also wouldn't mind seeing Billy, Kamala, and possibly Kate again as well but I'm nowhere near as invested in them, and I can't imagine anything good coming out of seeing all three of them (plus Cassie and whoever else Feige digs up) together. The Young Avengers, I feel, work best in small doses.

Finally we were just discussing this at home the other day: What are the odds that the entire "casting RDJ as Doom" thing is a gigantic marketing ploy and he's actually playing an Iron Man variant (unrelated to Doom) with Doom being played by someone else (similar to the asteriks after Thunderbolts standing for The New Avengers)? Though truth be told I'm not even sure that would be much better (regarding the whole "dead characters coming back" issue).

Yup. You outline pretty well why Loki works where Steve or Tony would fail. There are some very specific circumstances, including his story being unfinished and him being the character known for cheating death one way or another.

As for Gamora, I'll maintain the one and only reason she worked is that the entire point of her being in the movie was that she wasn't our Gamora, that she was a different person with her own hopes and dreams, not a replacement for the Gamora we lost. That it's not the Gamora Peter Quill loved or the guardians were friends with.

Fair- Star-Lord/The Guardians and Loki still have audience goodwill. I don't know that Loki's big enough to headline movies, at least as your standard superhero protagonist- he's more of a nick fury role or something more esoteric like his own show. As for the guardians, I don't think there's been any rumors that they'll even show up, the most we've seen is a very earth-based star lord in some concept art that seems to be for Secret Wars. Agreed on the Thunderbolts being the only solid full team left. (Though I'll say that even if you didn't like Yelena in the first one, I assume she'd be better in the second one. The point of the movie was for her to get over that sort of wallowing in self pity by helping others, either on the micro level with Bob or the macro level with the new york civilians.)

15 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

The last time Wanda and Simon were together was during Rick Remender's Uncanny Avengers run. They were a couple then but this was still pre-MCU for Wanda. I don't think Marvel would stick her with a C-Lister anymore especially after the success of WandaVision. Comic fans will expect to see her with Vision and from what I've heard, she and Vision are back together now or at least more closely linked again. But they were apart for basically the entirety of the 2000s/2010s and even in the late 90s, she was involved in a love triangle with Vision and Simon and I think mostly linked to Simon after the loss of her children in the 80s.

I did notice Kingpin seemed a lot stronger in Hawkeye than he ever was in the Daredevil show. The characterizations for the Netflix characters seem all over the place so it's clear Disney didn't really know what to do with them and how to fit them in the MCU properly. 

Honestly, it would be really nice to see many of the Fortnite minifigs actually made in real life. I wish the next Marvel CMF could just be a line of those characters, but I imagine it would be hard to only pick 12. And so many of those figures are superior to the ones we actually got. The FF stand out in particular with dual molded legs/arms which just makes it more sickening that Lego recognized they needed dual molding but still didn't give them any in the physical set. Rogue, Gambit, and Cyclops have way superior Fortnite minfigs over the physical ones we got. For Dark Phoenix, they actually gave her pearl gold instead of the yellow they gave the SDCC Phoenix minifigure. You can go on and on. For Thor, I'd be really shocked if we get any minifigure not from the MCU anytime in the next 5 years. They can't even get his costumes from the MCU correct, often reusing the same torso for the wrong movies.

There was a joke in the 80s She-Hulk comics about her getting away with nudity because she was green. Marvel's heroines do seem a lot more covered up now (Carol Danvers being the biggest example). The Lego Marvel Super Heroes game did give us Carol as Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Elektra, and Psylocke and they're all basically in bathing suits but Disney seems more averse to that now. Outside of She-Hulk, we never got any minifig from those characters in their "bathing suit" costumes. Black Cat tends to be especially sexualized which is probably why they toned down her design and removed the cleavage. And it always makes me laugh that they gave Leia dual molding when so many Marvel and Disney characters actually need that but never get it.

In Steve's case, it doesn't seem like it's a variant but the real deal. And especially since RDJ won't really be our Tony, I don't think they'd take that risk and have Chris Evans be another Steve. They'll want some sort of attachment for the audiences to latch onto emotionally.

The funny thing is that the whole Kang debacle can't even be blamed for not setting up Sam's Avengers because Doomsday was originally Kang's Dynasty which presumably would have also introduced Sam's Avengers. So we were still going to have to wait this long for the team reveal. There's really no explanation as to why they dropped the ball on this team so much, especially since this would have been planned long before The Marvels flopped or BNW flopped. It's almost like they never really had any faith in Sam and his team in the first place because it's all so half-hearted. I think I read that if you account for inflation, the 2005 FF was actually more profitable than the new MCU one. Which is fine with me since I much preferred those 2000s FF movies and think they were more accurate in spirit, whereas the MCU one was just obsessed with a 1960s aesthetic but had no substance beyond that. There's a reason that most audiences stayed away and even the ones who did watch felt it was just meh. 

Feige and James Gunn have a good enough relationship that Gunn could return to the MCU to do another GOTG movie, even while helming the DCU. Would be nice to see the real Silver Surfer pop up. I'd like to see a Marvel Knights or especially Midnight Sons movie. Although the latter would be hard to pull off without Strange and Wanda, and also with no real Blade and Ghost Rider introduced yet. I know the X-Men are meant to be the next big thing in the MCU but people said that about the FF as well and we saw how they fizzled out. The X-Men are going to be completely recast with young, new actors which is basically what the Fox universe did with the First Class and Apocalypse movies. That cast was never accepted by the public so it's ludicrous to me that Feige thinks he'll have a better attempt at recasting. First Class was meant as a soft reboot after the failure of Wolverine Origins (which also led to the cancellation of the Magneto Origins movie that more or less was turned into First Class) but the film didn't do well at the box office. It made Fox panic enough that they decided to do DOFP next to bring back the original X-Men cast. That film was a huge success because it brought back the original cast and was the highest grossing X-Men movie until Deadpool & Wolverine. Both films have the original cast coming back, which is also what Doomsday is hinging on, so I don't know how Feige thinks he can set up a new X-Men cast that will be accepted after the last hurrah of the original FoX-Men cast in Doomsday/Secret Wars. Especially since even in the First Class movies, they kept Wolverine the same, but Feige seems to think audiences will accept a Wolverine recast without Hugh Jackman. 

Yeah, I think in the general public wanda and vision are the couple now.

Yup- exactly. Disney didn't even think it was going to be a direct continuation until they realized how much backlash there was going to be. (Though I don't think saying it's the same characters and then having them all act wildly different anyway really fixes anything. Honestly, I see Born Again as doing the same thing as Doomsday- digging up beloved performances but without any of the soul behind them)

She-hulk definitely used to toe that line, she was essentially the pre-deadpool deadpool. But yeah- I agree, I don't think we're getting that type of costume anymore in media (aside from rivals, whether you want to ascribe that to different cultural or HR norms or just marvel realizing that sort of thing apparently sells well- I don't think I've gone two games in over a month without running into a Punisher, Mantis, or Invisible Woman in a swimsuit), and correspondingly I don't think it's going to happen in lego.

That may honestly be worse. "Surprise, Steve's young again, we just entirely gave up and the captain america you guys actually liked is back, please come give us money again"

I think Kang Dynasty was originally planned for this year, but there still wouldn't have been ANY setup for the team- arguably even less. I didn't mind the new FF, but I really couldn't get into Pedro as Reed. The other three did fine.

I'm sure they could, but (in this hypothetical scenario where Kevin Feige somehow grants me the keys to the kingdom) I'd let someone else take the reigns for the new era. I've had my Midnight Sons movie concept ironed out for some time now, basically it would revolve around chaos magic having started to corrupt New York and it's underground after Wanda died, leaving no conduit for all that energy. Strange figures out the source of the power is the entity Cython, and puts together a team of people experienced with magic, demons, and gods (a now much more comic-accurate Moon Knight, Elsa Bloodstone, and new-to-the-universe Magik and Ghost Rider (Danny Ketch)). He finds Daredevil and Punisher fighting some Chaos-afflicted criminals, and sees their immense willpower and battles with their own demons, and so recruits them as well. There's a lot of stuff in between but they end up having Strange, Daredevil (for his truth sense), and Ghost Rider (experience with demons) bargain with Mephisto for Wanda's soul as the other four fight a horde of mindless ones in the Dark Dimension. (They were only able to get to hell through the Dark Dimension and need to leave an exit portal open). Upon returning to life, Wanda and the rest of the midnight sons have your third act battle against Cython in New York, with Wanda essentially asserts control over it. Afterwards Magik, Elsa, and Ghost Rider go back to their domains, MK/Punisher/Daredevil stay to help strange clean the streets, and Wanda becomes Strange's apprentice/partner. There'd be a few post credits including Dormammu taking over Mephisto's Hell, Elsa returning to the Bloodstone manor and saying hi to Werewolf by Night and Man-Thing, and Blade entering the Sanctum saying something about how he's sorry he couldn't make it, he was busy fighting vampires, but after "what feels like forever", he's finally ready to show New York his bite. I wouldn't want to get into the full plot or themes because I'll take up the entire page, but some of the themes include Strange thinking he failed Wanda and trying to redeem himself, Wanda obviously trying to redeem herself, some of the more edgy/loner style sons like MK and Punisher grappling with the fact that they kind of enjoy being on a team, etc.

6 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

Crazy how we got minifig descriptions for the Batmobiles but nothing for the Marvel sets 

Especially since the batmobiles are march but I believe the marvel wave is january. We're only three months out.

[JeanGreyForever]

12 hours ago, brickbride said:

Agatha carried her own show the way Loki carried his. Sure her show was kind of niche but she's an engaging character, that's what I meant. Similarly, the Thunderbolts (John especially) are engaging enough that people want to see more of them. Bucky is more well-known and has been around for longer but like you've said, he's basically a sidekick - the same as Sam.

I disagree about Shang-Chi as well, I think the character was actually the weak point of his own movie. His father, mother, sister, aunt, and best friend were all more engaging than Shang-Chi himself. Though to be fair he was more engaging than Falconcap in BNW but then again pretty much everyone would be. Those two teaming up would not work well. Especially if they then got together with, say War Machine (by the way was that the real Rhodey in episode 1 of TFATWS or the Skrull imposter? I'm kind of losing track of that particular plot point).

The writers need to give us more truly conflicted characters. Not just "This person is the hero and therefore always right"(aka Sam aka Steve) and "This person has done bad things but it totally wasn't their fault" (aka Bucky aka Yelena).

The difference is that Loki was the most watched Disney+ show and also had 2 seasons. He's the most popular Marvel/MCU villain, or at least tied with Thanos, and he's been part of the MCU since Phase 1. Agatha has only appeared in two TV shows. She's not a household name or capable of sustaining a movie or film franchise on her name alone. And with Thunderbolts, while most people here including myself were quite receptive to the characters, such as John, the truth of the matter is that people don't really want to see more of them. Thunderbolts was supposed to be the next franchise but the film's box office failure was proof that there's no commercial future in those characters. Even with actual film characters like Bucky and Yelena at the forefront, since John wouldn't be known to anyone who only watches the movies which is most of the audience. And now Disney+ streaming reports are showing that Thunderbolts is basically the least watched MCU movie so it's still not attracting an audience. Agatha would be exactly more of the same. 

I actually agree with you about Shang-Chi as a character. I liked the movie but I found the entire supporting cast way more interesting especially the father and the Awkwafina character. Shang-Chi himself felt very bland and not compelling at all. Also, while this isn't PC to say, I agree with Chinese audiences that his actor was unattractive and not leading man material in terms of looks or charisma. But the bar is so low with new MCU debuts that Shang-Chi still stands out amongst the rest or did anyway. I think Sam's Avengers were supposed to focus on Sam, Carol, and Shang-Chi and the former two are both duds while Shang-Chi gets eclipsed by virtually all other characters. I never saw Secret Invasion but I've heard Marvel is more or less ignoring it now. I have no idea what's going on with Rhodey but he's a character I can also see being essentially phased out, if that hasn't already happened. He was supposed to headline the Armor Wars show that would bring back Vision but it got scrapped. Vision is still coming back in some other project but I haven't heard anything about Rhodey.

I think the formula worked when it was fresh, like for Steve (good guy) and Natasha (conflicted hero). But seeing the sidekick characters now relive the same arcs as the originals (Sam, Bucky, Yelena) is where the issue is because we've already seen this before over and over. It's also why Wanda broke out because she departed from the MCU's standard heroine template of a quippy action heroine like Natasha and Gamora. But you can see that the attempts to replicate Wanda with Sue didn't really work either.

8 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

I hope all the Phase 4 rejects get killed by Doom and the OG'S,X-Men,Deadpool,Wolverine,Blade,Moon Knight,Daredevil,Punisher,Three Spidey's, Doctor Strange save the day

Do you think they'll bring back some of the other Fox/Sony characters from the 2000s like Tim Story's FF, Nicholas Cage Ghost Rider, Ben Affleck Daredevil and Jennifer Garner Elektra?

7 hours ago, Coryo said:

This is probably the main issue with the way the newer heroes have been introduced, characters like Ant-Man and Doctor Strange wouldn't be nearly as popular without their team-up appearances with the pre-existing Avengers characters immediately after their introductions. Even if their solo movies didn't make a massive impact on the audience, their interactions with the larger universe helped build their goodwill immensely, it definitely seems like a huge mistake to have not had any large scale team-up movies throughout phases 4/5.

Definitely. In Phases 1-3, you basically saw the characters at least every 2 years whereas for Phases 4-6, there are some characters we haven't seen in 4-5 years. And they introduced so many in post-credits scenes, like Starfox and Hercules, who will probably never see the light of day now. Marvel seems to be hoping Doomsday/Secret Wars will boost the FF since they're saying a sequel isn't off the table yet if what happened to Doctor Strange in Infinity War/Endgame happens to them and increases their audience reception.

7 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

If our first ever Lego Elektra is the Daredevil version I'll go mad, Her costume isn't revealing at all, just the legs, nothing major

It would be a nice variant but the first Elektra minifig definitely needs to be the classic Elektra. Or maybe a Jennifer Garner version if she pops up in Secret Wars/Doomsday like she did in D&W.

[JeanGreyForever]

24 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

As for Gamora, I'll maintain the one and only reason she worked is that the entire point of her being in the movie was that she wasn't our Gamora, that she was a different person with her own hopes and dreams, not a replacement for the Gamora we lost. That it's not the Gamora Peter Quill loved or the guardians were friends with.

Yup- exactly. Disney didn't even think it was going to be a direct continuation until they realized how much backlash there was going to be. (Though I don't think saying it's the same characters and then having them all act wildly different anyway really fixes anything. Honestly, I see Born Again as doing the same thing as Doomsday- digging up beloved performances but without any of the soul behind them)

She-hulk definitely used to toe that line, she was essentially the pre-deadpool deadpool. But yeah- I agree, I don't think we're getting that type of costume anymore in media (aside from rivals, whether you want to ascribe that to different cultural or HR norms or just marvel realizing that sort of thing apparently sells well- I don't think I've gone two games in over a month without running into a Punisher, Mantis, or Invisible Woman in a swimsuit), and correspondingly I don't think it's going to happen in lego.

That may honestly be worse. "Surprise, Steve's young again, we just entirely gave up and the captain america you guys actually liked is back, please come give us money again"

I think Kang Dynasty was originally planned for this year, but there still wouldn't have been ANY setup for the team- arguably even less. I didn't mind the new FF, but I really couldn't get into Pedro as Reed. The other three did fine.

I'm sure they could, but (in this hypothetical scenario where Kevin Feige somehow grants me the keys to the kingdom) I'd let someone else take the reigns for the new era. I've had my Midnight Sons movie concept ironed out for some time now, basically it would revolve around chaos magic having started to corrupt New York and it's underground after Wanda died, leaving no conduit for all that energy. Strange figures out the source of the power is the entity Cython, and puts together a team of people experienced with magic, demons, and gods (a now much more comic-accurate Moon Knight, Elsa Bloodstone, and new-to-the-universe Magik and Ghost Rider (Danny Ketch)). He finds Daredevil and Punisher fighting some Chaos-afflicted criminals, and sees their immense willpower and battles with their own demons, and so recruits them as well. There's a lot of stuff in between but they end up having Strange, Daredevil (for his truth sense), and Ghost Rider (experience with demons) bargain with Mephisto for Wanda's soul as the other four fight a horde of mindless ones in the Dark Dimension. (They were only able to get to hell through the Dark Dimension and need to leave an exit portal open). Upon returning to life, Wanda and the rest of the midnight sons have your third act battle against Cython in New York, with Wanda essentially asserts control over it. Afterwards Magik, Elsa, and Ghost Rider go back to their domains, MK/Punisher/Daredevil stay to help strange clean the streets, and Wanda becomes Strange's apprentice/partner. There'd be a few post credits including Dormammu taking over Mephisto's Hell, Elsa returning to the Bloodstone manor and saying hi to Werewolf by Night and Man-Thing, and Blade entering the Sanctum saying something about how he's sorry he couldn't make it, he was busy fighting vampires, but after "what feels like forever", he's finally ready to show New York his bite. I wouldn't want to get into the full plot or themes because I'll take up the entire page, but some of the themes include Strange thinking he failed Wanda and trying to redeem himself, Wanda obviously trying to redeem herself, some of the more edgy/loner style sons like MK and Punisher grappling with the fact that they kind of enjoy being on a team, etc.

Also Gamora was supposed to die in GOTG2. Marvel told James Gunn to keep her alive since they planned on killing her off in Infinity War. Gunn felt that was the better choice since it introduced more storytelling potential by including a Gamora who isn't our Gamora in GOTG3.

Agreed, and I recently saw somewhere that Daredevil: BA had the lowest viewership of any Disney+ MCU show. That seems almost too far-fetched to be true but if that is real, then it shows that the brand damage has already been done with all the inconsistencies. I know I skipped BA specifically because I had little faith in Disney doing justice to Daredevil after the Netflix show so the low ratings are quite plausible.

You can get away with skimpy costumes like that in video games, especially to cater to the gamer culture. Lego is generally geared towards younger audiences and more gender neutral. 

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From what I've read, Doom is attacking anyone who affected the multiverse/timelines because their actions or presence are causing incursions. Steve's decision to go back in time and stay with Peggy is causing an incursion so both are attacked by Doom. So this isn't a Steve variant or a de-aged Steve but basically Steve right after the events of Endgame. Which also fits with all the claims that Doomsday is being positioned as a direct sequel to Endgame. That the older Steve we see at the end of Endgame will be the same Steve who fought in Doomsday/Secret Wars and circle back.

Kang Dynasty being rehauled into Doomsday is why it was delayed a year, since they needed to change directors, get new casting and come up with a whole new plot/big bad. I actually liked the new cast for the FF but I think they didn't feel like a family unit or friends (saying we're a family over and over doesn't actually make them feel like one). And while this new cast was good on paper, they were still easily outmatched by the 2005 cast, especially the Thing. He doesn't even have a gruff voice now and sounds like any basic human. Imagine Hulk sounding like Mark Ruffalo's regular Bruce Banner voice. Maybe Joseph Quinn's Johnny was the only one who I think was a slight improvement on Chris Evans' Johnny only because he's more comic accurate. He's actually blond for starters (there's even a reference in the 2005 movie about Johnny being blond which makes the dark-haired Chris Evans seem even more out of place) and is more of a romantic loverboy than a playboy. Johnny wasn't really a playboy in the comics until about the modern era. Before that, he was mostly in deeply committed relationships and was always tragically dumped. But overall, the 2005/2007 movies were better and the cast feel more like the authentic FF. That's doubly so for the Silver Surfer. Galactus was the only one improved since we actually get to see him but ironically enough, he felt more threatening in the 2007 movie. Galactus in the MCU movie felt like a stand-in for Godzilla, just going around breaking buildings.

I like your idea a lot especially the interconnected cast although it almost seems a shame to retire Magik, Elsa, and Ghost Rider so soon. If Marvel ever did your idea, I have a feeling they'd let those characters stick around, either from joining the team permanently or being trapped in our dimension. I can also see some of the street heroes being skipped if there's too many characters being juggled around. Midnight Sons sounds like a perfect project on paper since it brings in two heavy hitters like Strange and Wanda (and can thus almost feel like a Doctor Strange 3 the way CA: Civil War felt like Avengers 2.5) while also utilizing fan favs like Ghost Rider and Moon Knight. Not to mention new characters really popular with Gen Z like Magik and Elsa. The whole segment with Mephisto and battling for someone's soul also makes me think that Doom could be incorporated due to his attempts to break into Mephisto's realm to steal back his mother's soul from the comics. And it would set up a nice rivalry between Doom and Strange and also show Doom's interest in Wanda's power if he tries to make her into his bride. If the Sonyverse hadn't been a failure, you could even incorporate Morbius coming in from his dimension. 

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8 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

The difference is that Loki was the most watched Disney+ show and also had 2 seasons. He's the most popular Marvel/MCU villain, or at least tied with Thanos, and he's been part of the MCU since Phase 1. Agatha has only appeared in two TV shows. She's not a household name or capable of sustaining a movie or film franchise on her name alone. And with Thunderbolts, while most people here including myself were quite receptive to the characters, such as John, the truth of the matter is that people don't really want to see more of them. Thunderbolts was supposed to be the next franchise but the film's box office failure was proof that there's no commercial future in those characters. Even with actual film characters like Bucky and Yelena at the forefront, since John wouldn't be known to anyone who only watches the movies which is most of the audience. And now Disney+ streaming reports are showing that Thunderbolts is basically the least watched MCU movie so it's still not attracting an audience. Agatha would be exactly more of the same. 

I actually agree with you about Shang-Chi as a character. I liked the movie but I found the entire supporting cast way more interesting especially the father and the Awkwafina character. Shang-Chi himself felt very bland and not compelling at all. Also, while this isn't PC to say, I agree with Chinese audiences that his actor was unattractive and not leading man material in terms of looks or charisma. But the bar is so low with new MCU debuts that Shang-Chi still stands out amongst the rest or did anyway. I think Sam's Avengers were supposed to focus on Sam, Carol, and Shang-Chi and the former two are both duds while Shang-Chi gets eclipsed by virtually all other characters. I never saw Secret Invasion but I've heard Marvel is more or less ignoring it now. I have no idea what's going on with Rhodey but he's a character I can also see being essentially phased out, if that hasn't already happened. He was supposed to headline the Armor Wars show that would bring back Vision but it got scrapped. Vision is still coming back in some other project but I haven't heard anything about Rhodey.

I think the formula worked when it was fresh, like for Steve (good guy) and Natasha (conflicted hero). But seeing the sidekick characters now relive the same arcs as the originals (Sam, Bucky, Yelena) is where the issue is because we've already seen this before over and over. It's also why Wanda broke out because she departed from the MCU's standard heroine template of a quippy action heroine like Natasha and Gamora. But you can see that the attempts to replicate Wanda with Sue didn't really work either.

Do you think they'll bring back some of the other Fox/Sony characters from the 2000s like Tim Story's FF, Nicholas Cage Ghost Rider, Ben Affleck Daredevil and Jennifer Garner Elektra?

Definitely. In Phases 1-3, you basically saw the characters at least every 2 years whereas for Phases 4-6, there are some characters we haven't seen in 4-5 years. And they introduced so many in post-credits scenes, like Starfox and Hercules, who will probably never see the light of day now. Marvel seems to be hoping Doomsday/Secret Wars will boost the FF since they're saying a sequel isn't off the table yet if what happened to Doctor Strange in Infinity War/Endgame happens to them and increases their audience reception.

It would be a nice variant but the first Elektra minifig definitely needs to be the classic Elektra. Or maybe a Jennifer Garner version if she pops up in Secret Wars/Doomsday like she did in D&W.

Of course we'll see the 2000's heroes in Secret Wars, that's the whole plan, everyone who has appeared in a Marvel project ever can and will return, Nic Cage, Ben Affleck, OG F4, 2004 Punisher, even Tom Hardy's Venom, that's what Secret Wars is and was always going to be, everyone coming back like the endgame portals scene, lots of cameos, That's why I'm most excited for Secret Wars, some negative people online say it's just fanservice but it's what fans want and draws people to see it, that's why NWH and DP&W made so much money, it gave fans what they wanted

Just follow what insiders have said (reliable ones) it'll be like seeing Blade in Deadpool but x50 -Channing Tatum

Even in the Deadpool concept art Ghost Rider and Daredevil were in it

Plus it gives us a chance to get some of these cool characters in Lego Figure form

Movie Deadpool  is now more possible than ever and most likely will get a minifigure since he will be in both movies, it's confirmed/ rumored, I don't think we'd ever have got him if he didn't appear in these

People say Deadpool can't work in PG-13 but he can, he can use 1 F-Bomb and have the same humour like Star Lordx5

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8 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Agatha has only appeared in two TV shows. She's not a household name or capable of sustaining a movie or film franchise on her name alone. And with Thunderbolts, while most people here including myself were quite receptive to the characters, such as John, the truth of the matter is that people don't really want to see more of them. Thunderbolts was supposed to be the next franchise but the film's box office failure was proof that there's no commercial future in those characters. (...)

I actually agree with you about Shang-Chi as a character. I liked the movie but I found the entire supporting cast way more interesting especially the father and the Awkwafina character. Shang-Chi himself felt very bland and not compelling at all. Also, while this isn't PC to say, I agree with Chinese audiences that his actor was unattractive and not leading man material in terms of looks or charisma. But the bar is so low with new MCU debuts that Shang-Chi still stands out amongst the rest or did anyway.

Yeah, I don't think Agatha's going to be the MCU's next leading lady. For one thing there's what happens to her at the end of her show (I won't spoiler it). For another she doesn't fit the template - one thing I really liked about her show was that it wasn't about hot young assassin babes but about older, less attractive, down-on-their-luck women. I was more using her as an example in that Marvel for once did things right the way the introduced her. They got a great actress (I don't find Shang-Chi's actor unattractive but I do think he was probably cast more for his excellent martial arts skills than for his emoting), they gave her a plot that was personal, fun and quirky, yet also had serious stakes ("Agatha All Along" might even be the MCU's most violent show if you put the number of character deaths in relation to how few characters there are in it in the first place).

Shang-Chi's movie ticked many of the same boxes. And so did the Thunderbolts'. I think the latter just came too late. Bucky's audience goodwill had mostly evaporated after TFATWS and his short appearance in BNW, Yelena wasn't exactly a household name either, and after a slew of not-great MCU movies culminating in BNW people just weren't going to bother with one whose cast consisted of has-beens and unknowns. But again it had some good acting, it was fun and quirky yet serious at the same time, and it was personal. A message like "Protect the innocent" or "Be there for your friends" is something not many audience members are going to disagree with.

The problem is that with their designated new leading man, Falconcap, Marvel keep ignoring all of these points. I don't think Anthony Mackie is all that great an actor, much like Shang-Chi's actor - except Shang-Chi at least had great martial arts skills (the bus fight stands out) while Falconcap's fighting scenes are awful, fake-looking CGI-fests. His material isn't personal either; all we ever get with him is politics, a divisive topic which makes it very easy to disagree with his stances and opinions. If, like you say, both Agatha and the Thunderbolts are done due to a lack of viewership then the same should hold true for him after BNW tanked at the box office. But presumably they're going to stick with him regardless, which sucks.

 

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10 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Also Gamora was supposed to die in GOTG2. Marvel told James Gunn to keep her alive since they planned on killing her off in Infinity War. Gunn felt that was the better choice since it introduced more storytelling potential by including a Gamora who isn't our Gamora in GOTG3.

Agreed, and I recently saw somewhere that Daredevil: BA had the lowest viewership of any Disney+ MCU show. That seems almost too far-fetched to be true but if that is real, then it shows that the brand damage has already been done with all the inconsistencies. I know I skipped BA specifically because I had little faith in Disney doing justice to Daredevil after the Netflix show so the low ratings are quite plausible.

You can get away with skimpy costumes like that in video games, especially to cater to the gamer culture. Lego is generally geared towards younger audiences and more gender neutral. 

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From what I've read, Doom is attacking anyone who affected the multiverse/timelines because their actions or presence are causing incursions. Steve's decision to go back in time and stay with Peggy is causing an incursion so both are attacked by Doom. So this isn't a Steve variant or a de-aged Steve but basically Steve right after the events of Endgame. Which also fits with all the claims that Doomsday is being positioned as a direct sequel to Endgame. That the older Steve we see at the end of Endgame will be the same Steve who fought in Doomsday/Secret Wars and circle back.

Kang Dynasty being rehauled into Doomsday is why it was delayed a year, since they needed to change directors, get new casting and come up with a whole new plot/big bad. I actually liked the new cast for the FF but I think they didn't feel like a family unit or friends (saying we're a family over and over doesn't actually make them feel like one). And while this new cast was good on paper, they were still easily outmatched by the 2005 cast, especially the Thing. He doesn't even have a gruff voice now and sounds like any basic human. Imagine Hulk sounding like Mark Ruffalo's regular Bruce Banner voice. Maybe Joseph Quinn's Johnny was the only one who I think was a slight improvement on Chris Evans' Johnny only because he's more comic accurate. He's actually blond for starters (there's even a reference in the 2005 movie about Johnny being blond which makes the dark-haired Chris Evans seem even more out of place) and is more of a romantic loverboy than a playboy. Johnny wasn't really a playboy in the comics until about the modern era. Before that, he was mostly in deeply committed relationships and was always tragically dumped. But overall, the 2005/2007 movies were better and the cast feel more like the authentic FF. That's doubly so for the Silver Surfer. Galactus was the only one improved since we actually get to see him but ironically enough, he felt more threatening in the 2007 movie. Galactus in the MCU movie felt like a stand-in for Godzilla, just going around breaking buildings.

I like your idea a lot especially the interconnected cast although it almost seems a shame to retire Magik, Elsa, and Ghost Rider so soon. If Marvel ever did your idea, I have a feeling they'd let those characters stick around, either from joining the team permanently or being trapped in our dimension. I can also see some of the street heroes being skipped if there's too many characters being juggled around. Midnight Sons sounds like a perfect project on paper since it brings in two heavy hitters like Strange and Wanda (and can thus almost feel like a Doctor Strange 3 the way CA: Civil War felt like Avengers 2.5) while also utilizing fan favs like Ghost Rider and Moon Knight. Not to mention new characters really popular with Gen Z like Magik and Elsa. The whole segment with Mephisto and battling for someone's soul also makes me think that Doom could be incorporated due to his attempts to break into Mephisto's realm to steal back his mother's soul from the comics. And it would set up a nice rivalry between Doom and Strange and also show Doom's interest in Wanda's power if he tries to make her into his bride. If the Sonyverse hadn't been a failure, you could even incorporate Morbius coming in from his dimension. 

I didn't know she was set to die in Vol 2, that's interesting.

That wouldn't surprise me. Kids certainly shouldn't be watching it, even for adults it's incredibly dour compared to most marvel stuff, even the netflix show (that's what you get for no Foggy), and for Daredevil fans it's nothing like his netflix interpretation. It's accurate to a specific run of the comics, but one I think a lot of people consider one of daredevil's worst. (I think it was around 2003? The Devil's Reign arc hasn't really happened in the show yet and Muse had like two minutes of screen time). 

Yeah, exactly. Though apparently the game's pretty gender-neutral in that regard too. (I don't really go for that kind of skin either way, I normally run around as moon knight or trenchcoat Thing but even when I play Sue I use the Bloodstorm ranked reward and not... the more popular skins for that character.)

I've heard that too, but I still don't like it. I know people have talked about wanting more, but however you do it, I think Steve's journey ended in endgame. 

Johnny was a standout in the movie. The actor said something about "modernizing" the character which had me worried, but he's the same Johnny- like you say, he's arguably closer to classic versions. Thing's voice was a bit offputting at first, I still don't like it but I got used to it, and the actor does a good job overall. Sue was probably the standout for the movie. Reed was the one that really hit for me, I think Pedro Pascal just doesn't fit his demeanor. I can sort of see what he was going for with trying to appear cold at times, but he always looks like he's holding back an emotional moment. Silver Surfer here was fine for what they did as an alt-universe one and for what they wanted to do with Johnny, but it definitely wasn't Norrin and therefore not great. Galactus looked good but had no substance.

Oh they wouldn't be retired, it's just like the first two avengers movies where they all split up at the end. They'd be back- it was just setting up solo films for those characters in the case of Magik and GR, or in Elsa's case the post-credits of her bringing WBN and Man-thing onto the team. I also should clarify by new-to-the-universe I mean we're introducing the characters, but this is their home universe. Sort of like how Black Widow and Hawkeye don't get origin stories onscreen when they're introduced, we're just meant to assume they've been around. In this case, young heroes Strange has been keeping an eye on. No multiverse stuff- this also why I didn't include Doom (Plus, poor Wanda's been through enough, I don't want to make her deal with Doom trying to marry her.) With the characters, the roster size is definitely fairly large, and why I kept Blade out of this one (partly because I think it's hilarious to have him be late one last time before being properly introduced in his own movie, and partly because he's a bit high-caliber and experienced for how sort of haphazard this team would be in my movie). But it's pretty similar to AoU, aside from not killing quicksilver- AoU had the OG 6, SW, Quicksilver, and in the final act Vision. The sons have a slightly smaller number with the 3 knights (MK/DD/Punisher), 3 supernatural/magic hunters (Magik/GR/Elsa), and then Strange as the leader, plus Wanda in the third act. I do like the idea of doom being involved in a battle with mephisto, that could be a fun element for the sequel, then maybe Blood Hunt/Eternal Night Falls for the third, with Dormammu backing it for some reason to up the stakes. I will have to find a way to incorporate Leto's Morbius in some small cameo/joke capacity

2 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

People say Deadpool can't work in PG-13 but he can, he can use 1 F-Bomb and have the same humour like Star Lordx5

I mean, he can, you can make it so he knows he's in a PG-13 movie or to be less meta that if it's like a spider-man team up he's censoring himself to protect spidey's ears. Though I don't know if his humor's all that similar to star-lord.

 

I would like to get some more information on the january wave soon, I'm pretty happy with at least half the set choices, but the figures could really make or break some of them. GR's bike is an instant win even with just him, but including a new Spidey or any villain would take it from excellent to perfect. The Sandman set will primarily be about how good the Sandman is and whether or not it can differentiate itself from the MCU one, but a new spidey suit/variant and a sandman with an actual good face and hair instead of "angry clone+ generic hair" would probably shift a lot of opinions. The Bugle will entirely come down to the figures for a lot of people, especially those who have the modular.

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2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I didn't know she was set to die in Vol 2, that's interesting.

That wouldn't surprise me. Kids certainly shouldn't be watching it, even for adults it's incredibly dour compared to most marvel stuff, even the netflix show (that's what you get for no Foggy), and for Daredevil fans it's nothing like his netflix interpretation. It's accurate to a specific run of the comics, but one I think a lot of people consider one of daredevil's worst. (I think it was around 2003? The Devil's Reign arc hasn't really happened in the show yet and Muse had like two minutes of screen time). 

Yeah, exactly. Though apparently the game's pretty gender-neutral in that regard too. (I don't really go for that kind of skin either way, I normally run around as moon knight or trenchcoat Thing but even when I play Sue I use the Bloodstorm ranked reward and not... the more popular skins for that character.)

I've heard that too, but I still don't like it. I know people have talked about wanting more, but however you do it, I think Steve's journey ended in endgame. 

Johnny was a standout in the movie. The actor said something about "modernizing" the character which had me worried, but he's the same Johnny- like you say, he's arguably closer to classic versions. Thing's voice was a bit offputting at first, I still don't like it but I got used to it, and the actor does a good job overall. Sue was probably the standout for the movie. Reed was the one that really hit for me, I think Pedro Pascal just doesn't fit his demeanor. I can sort of see what he was going for with trying to appear cold at times, but he always looks like he's holding back an emotional moment. Silver Surfer here was fine for what they did as an alt-universe one and for what they wanted to do with Johnny, but it definitely wasn't Norrin and therefore not great. Galactus looked good but had no substance.

Oh they wouldn't be retired, it's just like the first two avengers movies where they all split up at the end. They'd be back- it was just setting up solo films for those characters in the case of Magik and GR, or in Elsa's case the post-credits of her bringing WBN and Man-thing onto the team. I also should clarify by new-to-the-universe I mean we're introducing the characters, but this is their home universe. Sort of like how Black Widow and Hawkeye don't get origin stories onscreen when they're introduced, we're just meant to assume they've been around. In this case, young heroes Strange has been keeping an eye on. No multiverse stuff- this also why I didn't include Doom (Plus, poor Wanda's been through enough, I don't want to make her deal with Doom trying to marry her.) With the characters, the roster size is definitely fairly large, and why I kept Blade out of this one (partly because I think it's hilarious to have him be late one last time before being properly introduced in his own movie, and partly because he's a bit high-caliber and experienced for how sort of haphazard this team would be in my movie). But it's pretty similar to AoU, aside from not killing quicksilver- AoU had the OG 6, SW, Quicksilver, and in the final act Vision. The sons have a slightly smaller number with the 3 knights (MK/DD/Punisher), 3 supernatural/magic hunters (Magik/GR/Elsa), and then Strange as the leader, plus Wanda in the third act. I do like the idea of doom being involved in a battle with mephisto, that could be a fun element for the sequel, then maybe Blood Hunt/Eternal Night Falls for the third, with Dormammu backing it for some reason to up the stakes. I will have to find a way to incorporate Leto's Morbius in some small cameo/joke capacity

I mean, he can, you can make it so he knows he's in a PG-13 movie or to be less meta that if it's like a spider-man team up he's censoring himself to protect spidey's ears. Though I don't know if his humor's all that similar to star-lord.

 

I would like to get some more information on the january wave soon, I'm pretty happy with at least half the set choices, but the figures could really make or break some of them. GR's bike is an instant win even with just him, but including a new Spidey or any villain would take it from excellent to perfect. The Sandman set will primarily be about how good the Sandman is and whether or not it can differentiate itself from the MCU one, but a new spidey suit/variant and a sandman with an actual good face and hair instead of "angry clone+ generic hair" would probably shift a lot of opinions. The Bugle will entirely come down to the figures for a lot of people, especially those who have the modular.

Deadpool can be serious too when he needs to be, I really hope the Bugle has some new characters, I hope for Kingpin and Bullseye but I doubt it, It'll just be Miles,Gwen,Spidey,Venom, Green Goblin, Spider-Woman

Still no Titan Battle or Ronin