Marvel Superheroes 2022 - Rumors & Discussion

[THELEGOBATMAN]

Bruh, really? Yet another Hulkbuster MK1 D2C? This is kinda pathetic.

[Toa Palpo]

I really don't understand what the LEGO Marvel team is think sometimes, especially when it comes to the large +18 kits. Who do they actually think wants a $550 MK1 Hulkbuster!? Somehow this is even worse than the Black Panther bust. 

[Legocentrico]

47 minutes ago, ToaDraco said:

I really don't understand what the LEGO Marvel team is think sometimes, especially when it comes to the large +18 kits. Who do they actually think wants a $550 MK1 Hulkbuster!? Somehow this is even worse than the Black Panther bust. 

This is not true, objectively.  I understand the disappointment and frustration when we don't like a set, but your statement is strong.  Hulkbuster has great appeal: it hits Marvel fans, Iron Man fans, and Mech fans.  A huge Iron Man Mech is one of the few wise choices, wanting to make a Marvel D2C

[Scarilian]

2 hours ago, ToaDraco said:

I really don't understand what the LEGO Marvel team is think sometimes, especially when it comes to the large +18 kits. Who do they actually think wants a $550 MK1 Hulkbuster!?

The original D2C Hulkbuster I believe still sold well and a lot of feedback was given as to what the community wanted and many of those remarks could likely only be fixed by increasing the size/scale to allow for improved detailing. To me an updated version makes a lot of sense in that context.

I'd buy it, probably still will if I can time it with discounts and things - the only problem I have at the moment is the price per piece ratio. 4049 pieces for $550 is too much, even if these are indeed massive pieces. $450 would have been ideal given the licensing. A 60cm tall Lego modifiable potentially posable mech sounds pretty awesome to me - even if I don't keep it as the Hulkbuster. Especially if it could be modified.

[Ghostcat]

I wonder if the new one will come with a Tiny Veronica again like the last one! 

[Legocentrico]

18 minutes ago, Ghostcat said:

I wonder if the new one will come with a Tiny Veronica again like the last one! 

I hope not.  useless microbuilds were one of the worst things in 76105

[Mandalorianknight]

8 minutes ago, Legocentrico said:

I hope not.  useless microbuilds were one of the worst things in 76105

Given that this one is supposed to be much larger than it's piece count would suggest, I don't think we'll have to worry about side builds.

[SEmrys]

20 hours ago, PGBQW said:

This might be a hot take, but I'm glad the 500€ set it's not the avengers tower or a modular building.

If they do end up releasing more Marvel buildings I'd rather to be able to actually aford to buy them without having to live under a bridge.

100% with you on that. 

I want to be able to support Marvel modulars every step of the way but as soon as it starts hitting those prices I'm probably going to have to dip out. 

Far as I'm concerned the only things I'd spend that sort of money on are iconic SW vehicles. And even then... 

[spiderfan2000]

After watching the latest She-Hulk episode, I really wish we had gotten a set.

[AndrewCole14]

7 hours ago, spiderfan2000 said:

After watching the latest She-Hulk episode, I really wish we had gotten a set.

I have the exact same feeling towards the Werewolf by Night special. LEGO not capitalising on the Disney+ content is a true shame.  

[THELEGOBATMAN]

I couldn‘t care less about most MCU Disney+ projects, but I'd gladly take a Werewolf by Night set. 

[jonwil]

I think they picked the MK1 rather than the MK2 because the MK2 didn't actually have Iron Man inside it. It was actually (somewhat ironically given its original purpose) piloted only by Bruce Banner.

That and the fact that the MK1 got a fair bit more screen time than the MK2 IIRC.

 

[Ghostcat]

4 hours ago, jonwil said:

I think they picked the MK1 rather than the MK2 because the MK2 didn't actually have Iron Man inside it. It was actually (somewhat ironically given its original purpose) piloted only by Bruce Banner.

That and the fact that the MK1 got a fair bit more screen time than the MK2 IIRC.

 

Its interesting that the Mk2 wasn't built with banner unlike the mk1.

 

mk2 also managed to shownup in two films too despite it not really achieving much 😂 I still kinda wish they hadnt hve scrapped the original Hulkbusting out the Hulkbuster scene for IW. The reshot scene with Corvus was pretty lame.

[Mandalorianknight]

5 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

I couldn‘t care less about most MCU Disney+ projects, but I'd gladly take a Werewolf by Night set. 

Honestly this is me 100%. I really haven't liked this phase in general, as I think most of the movies and shows have been bad (Shang-Chi and Loki were good), but for every couple bad shows or movies, there's a NWH, Moon Knight, or Werewolf by Night. It really speaks volumes that some of these characters have 6-9 episodes with them as the focus, or an entire movie, and I either couldn't care less or actively disliked them, but in less than an hour they made it so I can't wait to see more of Jack, Ted, and Elsa. My only worry set-wise is that the show really isn't for kids (how the hell did they get away with TV-14? It's not really scary, but it's VERY violent.), and we can't really get Ted in a CMF. 

Maybe it's possible that we'd get them in a future Midnight Sons set.

[THELEGOBATMAN]

46 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Honestly this is me 100%. I really haven't liked this phase in general, as I think most of the movies and shows have been bad (Shang-Chi and Loki were good), but for every couple bad shows or movies, there's a NWH, Moon Knight, or Werewolf by Night. It really speaks volumes that some of these characters have 6-9 episodes with them as the focus, or an entire movie, and I either couldn't care less or actively disliked them, but in less than an hour they made it so I can't wait to see more of Jack, Ted, and Elsa. My only worry set-wise is that the show really isn't for kids (how the hell did they get away with TV-14? It's not really scary, but it's VERY violent.), and we can't really get Ted in a CMF. 

Maybe it's possible that we'd get them in a future Midnight Sons set.

Yup, exactly.

I am very selective about the sets I get, but with Phase 4, it's like 10%. So far it would be The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Eternals, Thor: Love and Thunder, Werewolf by Night, and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special.

And honestly, I don't really care about most projects going forwards — except for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, and Captain America: New World Order. Those are the only ones I'm genuinely excited for (that we are getting sets for — I wouldn't say no to Daredevil: Born Again).

[Scarilian]

I think this may be partially a factor as to why they've not adapted from anything other than 'What If...?' and only briefly touched on Loki, TF&TWS and WandaVision in the CMF series. A lot of these shows don't have a basis to judge how succesful they would be and how much they'd sell, it's a massive risk for Lego to cover Marvel media that may get less exposure. You also need to factor in the amount of new figures that would be needed to cover all these new characters, potential branding and licensing, shifting release dates of the Disney+ shows and the question of how much material they would get from each show in the form of concept art. It makes the most sense for them to focus on the movies and maybe branch into the occasional figure from the shows if that character is pre-established or popular. A lot of these characters will show up in the movies or in larger roles later on, so it makes no sense for Lego to take the risk now as opposed to waiting.

[Mandalorianknight]

1 hour ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Yup, exactly.

I am very selective about the sets I get, but with Phase 4, it's like 10%. So far it would be The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Eternals, Thor: Love and Thunder, Werewolf by Night, and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special.

And honestly, I don't really care about most projects going forwards — except for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, and Captain America: New World Order. Those are the only ones I'm genuinely excited for (that we are getting sets for — I wouldn't say no to Daredevil: Born Again).

Wait, hold on. You want sets for TFATWS and liked the Eternals ones, but you don't want sets for NWH or Moon Knight?

As for the second part, mostly the same. The only announced projects I'm interested in after this are Guardians 3 and Born Again, and even then I won't buy the sets for guardians 3. NWO could be interesting but seeing as marvel's already turning it into a hulk movie, I don't have high hopes.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Mandalorianknight

[Toa Palpo]

On 10/6/2022 at 2:12 AM, Legocentrico said:

This is not true, objectively.  I understand the disappointment and frustration when we don't like a set, but your statement is strong.  Hulkbuster has great appeal: it hits Marvel fans, Iron Man fans, and Mech fans.  A huge Iron Man Mech is one of the few wise choices, wanting to make a Marvel D2C

I strongly disagree and this is from someone who is a fan of all 3 of these things but that isn't my point. Here, let me highlight the important part. How many people do they actually think would be willing to spend $550 on a MK1 Hulkbuster? That is the most absurd thing to me. This isn't like a UCS Star Destroyer that's deserving of such a price point. I'm a massive Marvel fan but there is very little outside of a location-based set or a Helicarrier that warrants a $550 set. A Hulkbuster that big and expensive is a meme given how many Hulkbusters LEGO makes and how mech-happy LEGO is in general. They want to make a $550 Marvel mech set? Give us a Sentinel or Galactus or even another Celestial. 

Edited October 7, 2022 by ToaDraco

[jonwil]

I concur that whilst a UCS Hulkbuster will sell, a UCS Hulkbuster at that price point will be a lot harder to get people to buy.

 

[THELEGOBATMAN]

4 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Wait, hold on. You want sets for TFATWS and liked the Eternals ones, but you don't want sets for NWH or Moon Knight?

As for the second part, mostly the same. The only announced projects I'm interested in after this are Guardians 3 and Born Again, and even then I won't buy the sets for guardians 3. NWO could be interesting but seeing as marvel's already turning it into a hulk movie, I don't have high hopes.

Yeah. Not a fan of No Way Home, and Moon Knight wasn't great enough for me to want any sets based on it.

As for New World Order, my hype is based solely on the fact that it's a Sam Wilson Captain America. He's my favourite MCU character right now, and TFatWS is my favourite MCU project. I'm really worried about the director.

[Scarilian]

1 hour ago, ToaDraco said:

How many people do they actually think would be willing to spend $550 on a MK1 Hulkbuster? That is the most absurd thing to me. This isn't like a UCS Star Destroyer that's deserving of such a price point

I'd buy a $550 Hulkbuster... the only issue I have with this one is that it's not priced relative to the piece count. If this was 5,000 or 6,000 pieces for $550 then that'd be something. Instead its $550 for 4049 pieces which makes the pricing seem unfortunate. You can justify large prices based on a mixture of how they appeal to people and what the set actually features. I think the concept alone of a 60cm tall mech is going to be something people will flock to Lego stores to see displayed, even if they don't buy it. This could be something that people will want to see even if they cannot justify the purchase. It simply appeals to aspects I've always been invested in such as Iron Man, Technology, Mechs, etc... so I can make this purchase a lot easier in the same way your example of a Star Wars fan would view the UCS Star Destroyer, whereas to me it's just a large gray triangle with greebling.

1 hour ago, ToaDraco said:

I'm a massive Marvel fan but there is very little outside of a location-based set or a Helicarrier that warrants a $550 set.

I will concede, that the Hulkbuster is not normally a concept that I'd think would require a $550 set however I'm certain it could be handled well and interest people if done correctly. I'm still leaning towards the idea that this Hulkbuster will be in-scale with (And potentially fit) the Iron Man buildable figure we got from earlier this year, which would be some level of justification for the size and to an extent the pricing. It'd also fit with remarks that this set may have been delayed, in which case releasing this sooner alongside the buildable Iron Man figure may have convinced people more to pick up both.

1 hour ago, ToaDraco said:

They want to make a $550 Marvel mech set? Give us a Sentinel or Galactus or even another Celestial. 

Sentinel, Celestials and Galactus are less well known and did not feature in a popular movie and associated with a popular character; Iron Man/Tony Stark. It'd be worse for them to make a set based on those without prior confirmation of consumer interest. The Hulkbuster we had from 2015 presumably sold extremely well despite people having critiques and presumably the larger scale and piece count will be to address a lot of these critiques.

[Toa Palpo]

1 hour ago, Scarilian said:

Sentinel, Celestials and Galactus are less well known and did not feature in a popular movie and associated with a popular character; Iron Man/Tony Stark. It'd be worse for them to make a set based on those without prior confirmation of consumer interest. The Hulkbuster we had from 2015 presumably sold extremely well despite people having critiques and presumably the larger scale and piece count will be to address a lot of these critiques.

Obviously they wouldn't do them because they aren't as well known, my point was that they would actually make sense at that price point.

It's just astounding to me that someone in LEGO thinks we want $500+ busts and Hulkbusters but the only sets based on Disney+ shows have been one What If set (that wound up being cut from season 1) and one cmf. We get a bunch of sets for the Star Wars Disney+ shows which is excellent but we get nothing for the Marvel shows. I don't know who is making the decisions on that but it's ridiculous. No I don't think we would suddenly get Disney+ sets if we didn't get these massive 18+ sets, it's just indicative strange decisions with this theme.

Edited October 8, 2022 by ToaDraco

[Scarilian]

1 minute ago, ToaDraco said:

Obviously they wouldn't do them because they aren't as well known, my point was that they would actually make sense at that price point.

Yeah, in terms of things that'd make logical sense at that point it's solely the Helicarrier. Avengers/Stark Tower and X-Men Mansion are the only others I'd lean to including at that price point depending on level of detail and/or figure selections.

[Mandalorianknight]

3 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Yeah. Not a fan of No Way Home, and Moon Knight wasn't great enough for me to want any sets based on it.

As for New World Order, my hype is based solely on the fact that it's a Sam Wilson Captain America. He's my favourite MCU character right now, and TFatWS is my favourite MCU project. I'm really worried about the director.

Huh. I think you're the first person I've seen even just online who isn't a fan of NWH. Not making fun, just interesting. You prefer it'd be focused solely on MCU peter? (Again, not trying to argue it, that's a legitimate criticism I could see even though personally I loved the other spideys)

I dunno. I didn't like TFATWS (aside from my idea that the cap mantle should be a team of people as part of a "no one can be steve rogers" type beat, I thought the story was weirdly disjointed and that Sam's speech at the end is kinda dumb. I can see it as sort of a "Sam hasn't been through steve's arc in WS/CW" type thing, but that clearly wasn't the intent.), and I don't like sam as much as I did in Civil War (peak Sam IMO), but I suppose there is potential for NWO. My biggest fears right now are that it's a Hulk movie, and that they chicken out and cut Sabra.

1 hour ago, ToaDraco said:

one What If set (that wound up being cut from season 1)

I'm gonna be that guy and annoyingly remind you that the hydra stomper exists, though the fact you forgot it is a pretty solid statement on the quality of the set.

51 minutes ago, Scarilian said:

Yeah, in terms of things that'd make logical sense at that point it's solely the Helicarrier. Avengers/Stark Tower and X-Men Mansion are the only others I'd lean to including at that price point depending on level of detail and/or figure selections.

Even then, I don't think the X-mansion would sell great just now. I'd say the best bet is either when X'men 97 comes out to hit em with the nostalgia or when the MCU does x-men.

 

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Edited October 8, 2022 by Mandalorianknight

[THELEGOBATMAN]

6 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Huh. I think you're the first person I've seen even just online who isn't a fan of NWH. Not making fun, just interesting. You prefer it'd be focused solely on MCU peter? (Again, not trying to argue it, that's a legitimate criticism I could see even though personally I loved the other spideys)

I dunno. I didn't like TFATWS (aside from my idea that the cap mantle should be a team of people as part of a "no one can be steve rogers" type beat, I thought the story was weirdly disjointed and that Sam's speech at the end is kinda dumb. I can see it as sort of a "Sam hasn't been through steve's arc in WS/CW" type thing, but that clearly wasn't the intent.), and I don't like sam as much as I did in Civil War (peak Sam IMO), but I suppose there is potential for NWO. My biggest fears right now are that it's a Hulk movie, and that they chicken out and cut Sabra.

No, that honestly wasn't my problem. I liked the other Spider-Men, even if Tobey Maguire was portrayed as a perfect pope 

It's mostly how it finishes off Holland's trilogy (I love Homecoming and Far From Home). First of all, they basically made a three-movie origin story. Why? It just seems unnecessarily complicated if they wanted him at the point where Maguire and Garfield were after the first act of their first movies.

Which brings me to my main criticism — they just completely erased everything around him. Six movies of building his relationships and surroundings, which the movies always focused on, only to completely erase all of it. I absolutely hate it, and we know they'll bring MJ back anyways.

Also, Peter promised his friends that he'll get in touch with them, but suddenly he's like "Nah, I'll just put them in danger." But we all know he's going to have friends anyways moving on, and both versions will be problematic. If it's the old crew, then they erased the whole relationship only to rebuild it. If he gets new friends, then it's like... he just forgot about his old friends and got new ones, who he'll also put in danger?

So yeah, funnily enough, my main complaints concern the main character's arc.

As for some other stuff, I feel like the villains sometimes act illogical. They want Peter's help, and they want to get back to their world (especially Sandman), so why do they even join Green Goblin? Seems like thw writers just wanted a big fight without actually thinking if it makes sense.

I also would've liked if Goblin was actually uncurable, because it was kinda silly that they just made an antidote for each villain and voilà. I'd like them to show that some villains are beyond redemption. 

The last major complaint is how ugly the movie is. The CGI is pretty bad, the movie has no visual sense of style, the fights are chaotic and hard to follow, and the final battle is absolutely terrible. It's dark, you can't see half of what's happening, and it's impossible to tell which Spider-Man is which.

Yes, I wrote an essay about what I disliked. But that doesn't mean I couldn't also write an essay like that about what I liked. Imo the movie is somewhere between mediocre and fine. There's plenty of stuff to like in there. 

As for the sets, I would actually buy them — but not because of the movie itself. I would never miss a chance of getting Maguire and Garfield, and their villains, as minifigures.