Technic 2021 Set Discussion

[JaBaCaDaBra]

1 hour ago, Jundis said:

When this set only comes with this part and a simple rod instead of a tilting mechanic, we really can say goodnight to functions on technic models:

O come on, these are budget models that will be found under 10 bucks
You can't expect actuators for that price.

[Bartybum]

35 minutes ago, JaBaCaDaBra said:

O come on, these are budget models that will be found under 10 bucks
You can't expect actuators for that price.

The excavator's meant to be 40EUR, it's gonna have MLAs at the very least

[Maaboo the Witch]

13 hours ago, J_C said:

hydraulic?

really?

like fluids in the cylinder?

if that is the case that is the most exciting news.

It's already been stated at source that the excavator is neither hydraulic nor pneumatic. From the name of the set, I wonder if there's a new actuator-type part - the spring-loaded damper was referred to as hydraulic back when it was introduced.

I also wonder why it's being released in March... 

[Gumalca]

15 minutes ago, Bartybum said:

The excavator's meant to be 40EUR, it's gonna have MLAs at the very least 

I think so too, but interestingly there has been only one 40 EUR or below set with a MLA so far: 42061.

[GoldVillage]

12 minutes ago, Gumalca said:

I think so too, but interestingly there has been only one 40 EUR or below set with a MLA so far: 42061.

But since many of the sets has plenty of pieces for their rumored price tags (i.e Senna) so far, the excavator could have about approx 500-550 pieces and even large LA's. 

[2GodBDGlory]

On 9/12/2020 at 4:51 AM, mugwump said:

Wow! I'm seeing six "cars" in total. This is a clear hint to me that Technic keeps on sacrificing interesting mechanics for looks. There was a reason why they used to produce lots of machinery in the past: They do things other than just drive around. Technic is one of the top-selling series and I'm sure they have good economic reasons for going into that direction. But my interpretation is different: If Technic cars that look good really sell that well, they should finally consider reintroducing Model Team or Racers. The Technic team could then focus on a smaller number of mechanically interesting sets. That might be a win-win.

I don't want the only interesting set in terms of functions being a small excavator for 39,- USD.

Yes, it is definitely a good thing to have variety in sets, but just because Lego is building more cars doesn't necessarily make them boring. Sometimes they are (See the Porsche 911 RSR set), but others are mechanically awesome (see Bugatti Chiron). But I suppose it is hard to put interesting car functions in smaller scale models.

On 9/12/2020 at 6:24 AM, Dylan M said:

42125 Ferrari 18+ 1677pcs 

I wonder what size/ratio is that ...

 

With that part count, I would guess 1:10.

Does that mean we will get Ferrari-style rims, functionally similar to the Land Rover ones?

[1gor]

Since there are 6 cars in first wave and 2021 in odd number, let's hope to have interesting machinery sets in 2H...

[Ngoc Nguyen]

34 minutes ago, I_Igor said:

Since there are 6 cars in first wave and 2021 in odd number, let's hope to have interesting machinery sets in 2H...

And since grohl only worked on a B model of one set in 2020, let's hope he was busy with sth bigger that will launch in 2021. I was hoping to see a 2H flagship from him.

[thekoRngear]

Since the Liebherr was released in 2019 with 4k+ pieces, something purely technical like that might come out as well in H2 with highest piece count ever, with boring C+ controls

[1gor]

37 minutes ago, thekoRngear said:

might come out as well in H2 with highest piece count ever, with boring C+ controls

Well that is horror for my budget; I was hoping more like some 700-1000 pieces machinery set; bagger, tractor, combine harvester (last one that could be called that IMHO) was in 2007...

[Jundis]

14 minutes ago, I_Igor said:

Well that is horror for my budget; I was hoping more like some 700-1000 pieces machinery set; bagger, tractor, combine harvester (last one that could be called that IMHO) was in 2007...

Yes. Please.

I would gladly sacrifice 3 cars to the brick god to get a harvester or a tractor with shovel and trailer:

59 minutes ago, thekoRngear said:

Since the Liebherr was released in 2019 with 4k+ pieces, something purely technical like that might come out as well in H2 with highest piece count ever, with boring C+ controls

Markus Kossmann mentioned in this interview (around 11:00) with @Sariel that they were hitting the limits in the mobility of the 42100 with its weight of 3.5 kg. Maybe we will see Technic sets with 5000 parts, like a huge (stationary) crane, which is so common to build as a MOC. Other than that, motorized models of 4 kg or more just need more motors to move quickly which again increase weight. ABS has it's limits in strength also.

[1gor]

@Jundis I would except even set like 8284 with proper tractor tires, or 8295 like with tractor tires, even simple truck like 9397 B model with 68.7 x 27 tires... somehow as older I get I prefer Technic models with less parts as possible...or perhaps I'm just getting old 

[GoldVillage]

4 hours ago, Jundis said:

Yes. Please.

I would gladly sacrifice 3 cars to the brick god to get a harvester or a tractor with shovel and trailer:

 

Markus Kossmann mentioned in this interview (around 11:00) with @Sariel that they were hitting the limits in the mobility of the 42100 with its weight of 3.5 kg. Maybe we will see Technic sets with 5000 parts, like a huge (stationary) crane, which is so common to build as a MOC. Other than that, motorized models of 4 kg or more just need more motors to move quickly which again increase weight. ABS has it's limits in strength also.

I would sacrifice all 6 cars...

But he obviously misspoke since the 42100 is more like 5-6 kg and not 3.5

Edited September 27, 2020 by GoldVillage

[Technicallism]

The 2H sets or even the 2H FLAGSHIP set itself must think from the way of Control +, and up to now what we short is a Control + of a pneumatic functioning model...

Hope there will be more mechanisms model in 2H, tractors.... wheel loader.... crane truck..... backhoe.... Bulldozer.... all are welcome....

I do a simple summary about the flagship from years, hopefully this get some guidelines but no certainty.

2005 - Crane
2006 - Truck
2007 - Construction vehicle
2008 - Other (Off-loader)
2009 - Truck
2010 - Construction vehicle
2011 - Truck
2012 - Other (Off-loader)
2013 - Crane
2014 - Construction vehicle
2015 - Truck
2016 - Construction vehicle
2017 - Truck
2018 - Crane
2019 - Construction vehicle
2020 - Truck
2021 - Construction vehicle??? Other???
 

[1gor]

11 minutes ago, Technicallism said:

The 2H sets or even the 2H FLAGSHIP set itself must think from the way of Control +, and up to now what we short is a Control + of a pneumatic functioning model...

Hope there will be more mechanisms model in 2H, tractors.... wheel loader.... crane truck..... backhoe.... Bulldozer.... all are welcome....

I do a simple summary about the flagship from years, hopefully this get some guidelines but no certainty.

2005 - Crane
2006 - Truck
2007 - Construction vehicle
2008 - Other (Off-loader)
2009 - Truck
2010 - Construction vehicle
2011 - Truck
2012 - Other (Off-loader)
2013 - Crane
2014 - Construction vehicle
2015 - Truck
2016 - Construction vehicle
2017 - Truck
2018 - Crane
2019 - Construction vehicle
2020 - Truck
2021 - Construction vehicle??? Other???
 

We had relatively big off-road vehicle in 2019 (42099), but who knows - it could be construction vehicle, but which one? Something new like BWE in 2016 or another bagger / dozer like vehicle? One thing for sure us possible (but highly unlikely and has never been) front tracked and rear wheeled combine harvester; TLC has all parts needed, so there is no need to construct new parts for this...

[Ngoc Nguyen]

I'm rooting for a C+ Reach Stacker using Unimog wheels and XLAs.

[Jundis]

40 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

I'm rooting for a C+ Reach Stacker using Unimog wheels and XLAs.

 

1 hour ago, I_Igor said:

One thing for sure us possible (but highly unlikely and has never been) front tracked and rear wheeled combine harvester;

Both are quite possible. I really hope for a Arocs successor like a flatbed with pneumatic crane or such.

[1gor]

@Jundis that kind of truck would be nice, but almost big as Arocs (finally my Autocorrect did not invent new word ), or it would be Mack size... So far next year bagger sounds interesting...

[Technicallism]

10 hours ago, I_Igor said:

We had relatively big off-road vehicle in 2019 (42099), but who knows - it could be construction vehicle, but which one? Something new like BWE in 2016 or another bagger / dozer like vehicle? One thing for sure us possible (but highly unlikely and has never been) front tracked and rear wheeled combine harvester; TLC has all parts needed, so there is no need to construct new parts for this...

Mostly i talking about flagship set in the summary list

42099 is not flagship

 

I don’t want to speculate because it’s doesn’t help to turn to reality, let’s see what new info we have in coming months.

But it will be another year i continue to dream of a backhoe loader flagship coming.... Backhoe also never been flagship right?? :)

9 hours ago, Jundis said:

 

Both are quite possible. I really hope for a Arocs successor like a flatbed with pneumatic crane or such.

2021 unlikely a truck again IMO

[Azani]

As a point of interest for those who follow TECHNIC, I have the native English language names obatibed from American retailers for four of the ten general release 1HY kits, and they differ slightly from those reported by StoneWars.de. 42120 in particular might help to clear up some of the confusion.

42116 Skid Steer Loader

42117 Race Plane

42120 Rescue Hovercraft

42121 Heavy Duty Excavator

Cheers!

17 hours ago, Jundis said:

Yes. Please.

I would gladly sacrifice 3 cars to the brick god to get a harvester or a tractor with shovel and trailer:

Markus Kossmann mentioned in this interview (around 11:00) with @Sariel that they were hitting the limits in the mobility of the 42100 with its weight of 3.5 kg. Maybe we will see Technic sets with 5000 parts, like a huge (stationary) crane, which is so common to build as a MOC. Other than that, motorized models of 4 kg or more just need more motors to move quickly which again increase weight. ABS has it's limits in strength also.

As I understand the setup, it's typically and generally accepted in the fan community that ABS has been pushed to the reasonable extent judged feasible for implementation into consumer products (i.e., general release sets), possibly excepting the corollaries for certain gears that are understood as implicit for gear movement to work as a guarantee in 3-4 kg.+ kits. Sariel is a bona fide expert on gears and gear functionality, and thus I would suspect that his MOCs have put at least a few of the limits to the test.

[1gor]

@Technicallism backhoe was flagship - set 8455 but it was long ago...

[Technicallism]

1 hour ago, I_Igor said:

@Technicallism backhoe was flagship - set 8455 but it was long ago...

Yeah... that’s why it time to come back again, since we have new technology system now....

I feel that backhoe suit to Control + concept which is creating more playability for customer to buy & enjoy it.

Front & rear Outrigger.., front & back shovel, or maybe turning cabin....

And maybe time for new tyre.... smaller Claas trye :) ?

[1gor]

1 hour ago, Technicallism said:

Yeah... that’s why it time to come back again, since we have new technology system now....

I feel that backhoe suit to Control + concept which is creating more playability for customer to buy & enjoy it.

Front & rear Outrigger.., front & back shovel, or maybe turning cabin....

And maybe time for new tyre.... smaller Claas trye :) ?

I would not mind recreating this set with 4 81mm tractor tires...that was what I had in mind with 700-1000 pieces set; 8455 has approximately 700 parts...and is optimal size for playing...

[Maaboo the Witch]

This won't be the first year that's featured a skid steer and excavator, either...

[mortenm]

16 hours ago, Technicallism said:

But it will be another year i continue to dream of a backhoe loader flagship coming.... Backhoe also never been flagship right?? :)

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