Star Trek Mafia - Day Three

[jimmynick]

Where did Nurse Chapel's clothes go?

[Hinckley]

55 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

Where did Nurse Chapel's clothes go?

I wondered the same thing. I must have missed that part of the story.

[Hinckley]

On 7/18/2019 at 8:12 PM, jimmynick said:

Actually, I do remember going on the holodeck to watch a movie directed by Commander Bob about a pirate ship. In that, there was a pirate wench very keen to lynch someone, anyone, on the first day of an imperial insurrection.

That gives me a little pause.

@jimmynick What gave you pause here? I asked earlier and you didn't respond to it.

[CMP]

Sorry, got caught busy yesterday. Pretty...I guess baffled about Kyle turning up Starfleet, too. 

Well, my main suspects after McCoy's day 1 bandwagon are gone and loyal. At this point, I guess either he's scum, Uhura's scum, or they avoided/slept through his bandwagon altogether. Rendering my primary reasoning Spock/Kyle lynch...pointless, really.  So that ain't great.

At this point, despite my reservations on day 1, I feel like the best move for us to make here is close the chapter on McCoy/Spock/Kyle altogether, so I'm going to Vote: Lieutenant Commander McCoy (Umbra-Mantis).

I'll be straight-up: I'm not completely sold on finding him scummy. But as suspicious as they were acting, Spock and Kyle did. And I feel like we've pursued the angle of "scum jumped on an easy bandwagon on a townie" to apparently no avail. If he turns out scum, Uhura is as cleared as you can get in a game without night actions.  If he turns out to be town, then I want to focus my attention on other people altogether. Like for example. 

22 hours ago, jimmynick said:

Vote: Sulu (Tariq j)

Perhaps I should state explicitly that my vote assumes that McCoy is scum and his scumbuddy Sulu voted for Kyle to bail him out.

Like...can we talk about this logic here for a second dude? Are you saying that, despite Spock and Kyle's suspicious behavior (suspicious enough for you to vote for both, so clearly you agreed), the fact they were both Starfleet means you are ready to just assume that McCoy is confirmed scum?? And then vote for somebody else entirely based on that assumption?

Seriously, am I missing something here? You said you're poking Sulu for a reaction, but it seems like you're pushing your finger beyond suspension of disbelief in order to do so. It's almost as baffling as the response:

7 hours ago, Tariq j said:

This is why I didn’t respond to Chekov’s vote earlier. If it gets me out of the way to focus on scummier players like McCoy then I’m fine with that.

His vote is based on the assumption that McCoy IS scum!! This makes no sense from EITHER of you!!  Chekov is crazy, and Sulu has the attitude of either the worst townie ever or the laziest scum. I don't even believe he looked at the vote for him.  Someone tell me I'm missing something.

[Hinckley]

Just now, CMP said:

Someone tell me I'm missing something.

You're totally not. Look at both of their posts through the rest of the game so far. They don't make much sense, collectively. Chekov is 90% jokes.

[jimmynick]

1 hour ago, Hinckley said:

@jimmynick What gave you pause here? I asked earlier and you didn't respond to it.

I mean it's pretty much there in the original post. Spock had an alter ego called Louisa who was foaming at the mouth to lynch someone on Day One in a Pirates mafia, and Louisa was town. It's similar to Spock's behavior on this wessel. So I had second thoughts when i realized that connection.

3 minutes ago, CMP said:

Seriously, am I missing something here?

Not at all, my vote is admittednly out on a limb. Would you prefer if I hammered McCoy? Because I can totally do that.

Unvote: Sulu (Tariq j)

Vote: McCoy (Umbra-Manis)

Why do this now? you might ask. Because I have some town reads.

First there is Nurse Chapel, who gives off a certain vibe. I can't explain it very well, but it's just there.

Next is Sulu actually. His response to my vote is very sane and measured considering there isn't actually much there. It's what I would do if someone spouted some nonsense about me.

I lean town on Scotty mainly because he knows when to admit he's wrong (re:McCoy) and his level of activity. There's an asterisk there, though, because I find myself doubting even myself when Scotty controls the conversation like he has been doing today. He's probably town, but might he an insidious scum.

That leaves McCoy, Mallory and Uhura. As Uhura pointed out, it is remarkable that McCoy skated away from the lynch two days running. But!

11 minutes ago, CMP said:

If he turns out scum, Uhura is as cleared as you can get in a game without night actions. 

It could easily be a gambit. Also, keep in mind that Uhura hammered Kyle yesterday. In a situation where no-lynch gives the scum a kill, it's an easy town move to hammer late in the day to avoid a no-lynch (I say, as I hammer McCoy). It's easy for a scum to do if they hammer a townie - what difference would it make to them anyway?

10 minutes ago, Hinckley said:

Chekov is 90% jokes.

Sowwy...

[CMP]

2 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

Next is Sulu actually. His response to my vote is very sane and measured considering there isn't actually much there. It's what I would do if someone spouted some nonsense about me.

Really, you wouldn't call him out on his absolutely backwards and senseless logic, ask what the hell he's talking about, and why he isn't voting for the person he's assuming is scum?

You would also just roll over and say "go ahead and vote for me so you can focus on scummy guy" and just straight up not notice that the guy voting for you is already assuming that scummy guy is confirmed scum, and is in fact voting for you BECAUSE of that assumption?

[jimmynick]

When Sulu says that's he's responding also to Scotty pointing the finger but not voting. It's not just a response to my vote, so you can't characterize it as such.

[Khscarymovie4]

On 7/18/2019 at 9:27 PM, Chromeknight said:

Nurse Chapel is on only here because she’s sleeping with the show creator. Even the actress playing her finds her character boring and namby-pamby. One of Mudd’s women at best.

 

2 hours ago, jimmynick said:

Where did Nurse Chapel's clothes go?

13 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

Not at all, my vote is admittednly out on a limb. Would you prefer if I hammered McCoy? Because I can totally do that.

Unvote: Sulu (Tariq j)

Vote: McCoy (Umbra-Manis)

Why do this now? you might ask. Because I have some town reads.

First there is Nurse Chapel, who gives off a certain vibe. I can't explain it very well, but it's just there.

Next is Sulu actually. His response to my vote is very sane and measured considering there isn't actually much there. It's what I would do if someone spouted some nonsense about me.

I lean town on Scotty mainly because he knows when to admit he's wrong (re:McCoy) and his level of activity. There's an asterisk there, though, because I find myself doubting even myself when Scotty controls the conversation like he has been doing today. He's probably town, but might he an insidious scum.

That leaves McCoy, Mallory and Uhura. As Uhura pointed out, it is remarkable that McCoy skated away from the lynch two days running. But!

It could easily be a gambit. Also, keep in mind that Uhura hammered Kyle yesterday. In a situation where no-lynch gives the scum a kill, it's an easy town move to hammer late in the day to avoid a no-lynch (I say, as I hammer McCoy). It's easy for a scum to do if they hammer a townie - what difference would it make to them anyway?

Sowwy...

I do want to ask why did you wait to be called out to actually make your town reads known and change of vote? Just an 2 hours ago you were asking where my clothes went. Was that more important then actually thoughts? 

[jimmynick]

Because I wanted to crack a quick joke before coming back with a serious frame of mind?

[CMP]

This is the worst kind of comedy routine. I can't tell if you don't see the problem or are willfully ignoring it, let me break it down for my own sanity.

Chekov: "Sulu, I'm voting for you. I'm assuming McCoy is absolutely scum, so the logical thing to do is vote for you."

Sulu: "Fine. Vote for me if you like, so you can focus on scummy people later. Like McCoy."

Chekov: "This is perfectly, very sane and measured, and would be my response also."

1 minute ago, jimmynick said:

When Sulu says that's he's responding also to Scotty pointing the finger but not voting. It's not just a response to my vote, so you can't characterize it as such.

Your vote assumes that McCoy is scum. Sulu says "go ahead and vote me to focus on scummy people like McCoy." If he had even glanced at your vote and cared about refuting it, he'd realize "wait - this vote is insane and makes no sense!". 

Your poke has been completely ignored. Sulu doesn't care about your vote and doesn't even bother to answer your concerns. Why would a townie do that? Why would a townie with every reason to, you know, not got lynched and further hurt the town just roll over like that? That sort of apathy is why I was on Kyle so much during day 1. This is really suspicious behavior. It's like he just waiting out your suspicions rather than responding to them, except Sulu pretty much came out and said he didn't care.

And yet what concerns me more is you. Sulu shrugs off your crazy illogical poke with a disturbingly apathetic and even more illogical response, and your takeaway is "oh that's a solid townread", but only after I call you guys out on this bizarre interaction

11 minutes ago, Khscarymovie4 said:

I do want to ask why did you wait to be called out to actually make your town reads known and change of vote?

I do not like to make this suggestion, and I certainly do not do it lightly: but this interaction feels staged. Chekov's vague suspicion based on literal nonsense is thrown at Sulu. After Scotty calls out Sulu, he deflects the suspicion away with literally nothing, without the suspicions even being looked at. After I call out the bizarre nature of this interaction, Chekov shows up and decides that Sulu's response, which had to be squeezed out in the first place, is a townread. 

 

Nothing about it feels like people acting naturally based on logic and reasoning. 

[jimmynick]

8 minutes ago, CMP said:

Sulu doesn't care about your vote and doesn't even bother to answer your concerns.

If something is BS, why entertain it?

8 minutes ago, CMP said:

so the logical thing to do is vote for you.

I never claimed it was logical, did I?

9 minutes ago, CMP said:

"Fine. Vote for me if you like, so you can focus on scummy people later. Like McCoy."

Again you miss the part where Sulu says to Scotty, "vote for me if you are suspicious of me", which provides this thing called context.

You know what?

Unvote: McCoy (Umbra-Manis)

Vote: Mallory (CMP)

for so obstinately twisting words

[CMP]

Just now, jimmynick said:

If something is BS, why entertain it?

Why not call out the BS????????

[jimmynick]

I'm calling out your BS, honey

[Hinckley]

11 minutes ago, CMP said:

This is the worst kind of comedy routine. I can't tell if you don't see the problem or are willfully ignoring it, let me break it down for my own sanity.

Chekov: "Sulu, I'm voting for you. I'm assuming McCoy is absolutely scum, so the logical thing to do is vote for you."

Sulu: "Fine. Vote for me if you like, so you can focus on scummy people later. Like McCoy."

Chekov: "This is perfectly, very sane and measured, and would be my response also."

Don't look now, you just wrote a play.

I agree. It's not like the response from Sulu differs depending on which "vote" he's responding to. I didn't vote for him. He's agreeing with me that if suspicion is that high then the person should be lynched. The difference is, I was saying I should be lynched if McCoy is lynched and turns up Romulan. But what you're analyzing from their exchange is the way I see it too. There is absolutely no reason for McCoy to unvote Sulu based on what he said there. It's just freaking weird.

Here's more weird:

23 hours ago, Tariq j said:

This bugs me. A lot. McCoy states he is not a fan of the Kyle lynch whilst voting for Uhura. To me (playing a bit of WIFOM here) he said this so he can then say the next day “oh look guys, I didn’t want to join that Bandwagon! Guess that makes me town”.

Yeah, well, your new buddy Chekov did a very similar thing without voting:

41 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

I mean it's pretty much there in the original post. Spock had an alter ego called Louisa who was foaming at the mouth to lynch someone on Day One in a Pirates mafia, and Louisa was town. It's similar to Spock's behavior on this wessel. So I had second thoughts when i realized that connection.

Just making sure you didn't mean that insisting on a Day One lynch is what give you pause. Your explanation is what I thought of it. So, my question is, Sulu, why don't you find Chekov suspicious for keeping his vote on Spock but pointedly saying he "had pause" about it? I find that very similar to Sulu's action of staying off the Townie wagon and throwing a vote at Uhura.

On 7/18/2019 at 12:42 PM, jimmynick said:

I don't like this flippant attitude in response to genuine questions and concerns.

Vote: Spock (Trekkie99)

 

4 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

You know what?

Unvote: McCoy (Umbra-Manis)

Vote: Mallory (CMP)

for so obstinately twisting words

This is the second time you've gone after someone's communications tactics as opposed to who is Scummy. That's not what we're looking for. You don't vote for whose attitude you don't like. You vote for someone whose behavior seems Scummy.

There's nothing obstinate about what Mallory is asking. He's even looking for clarification and trying to demonstrate where he sees the discrepancy. I see it too. Are we both Scum for questioning your unvote? 90% jokes, 10% grump. Also, that's not how Town should be viewing the game. I'm leaning Scum on you more and more.

[CMP]

Just now, jimmynick said:

I'm calling out your BS, honey

Why didn't Sulu call out yours when you voted for him? Why didn't you call out his for his empty response?

4 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

Again you miss the part where Sulu says to Scotty, "vote for me if you are suspicious of me", which provides this thing called context.

Even if that's directed at Scotty and not you which, yes, makes more sense, I cannot fathom a world where a townie is so ambivalent about votes on them that they don't respond to it, only react when pushed by somebody else, won't respond to any of the reasoning behind the vote, and doesn't even appear to notice that the vote is built on a seriously hasty assumption, is a complete 180 from this person's previous suspicions, and is, overall, in your words, completely illogical:

6 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

I never claimed it was logical, did I?

If somebody comes at you with an obvious BS accusation, you call it out. You claim I'm coming at you with some BS, and you're calling it out right now. And you voted for me, so it obviously concerns you. For complete apathy being a townread to you and it being-

53 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

Next is Sulu actually. His response to my vote is very sane and measured considering there isn't actually much there. It's what I would do if someone spouted some nonsense about me.

-you sure do seem to be doing the exact opposite, seeing as how you believe my accusations are baseless.

Lotta quotes here, so I'll simplify this bottom bit.

1. Sulu's response to you coming at him with accusations that you admit are illogical and nonsensical is to ignore them. You think that's very sane, very measured, and very townie...and what you would do in that situation.

2. Your response to me coming at you with accusations that you believe are BS is to fight back and try and dismantle my argument. I assume you think you're acting very sane, very measured, and very townie, even though you're doing the exact opposite of what you said you would.

See, number 2. is what you want when you level suspicions at somebody. You want a back-and-forth, you want the person to defend themselves so you can get a better read on them. You doing number 2. (heh) is the most genuine thing I've seen from you all day. It's what you do when somebody is targeting you. 

Unless, I guess, you're Sulu, and the person targeting you is Chekov. So...why the double standard? 

When you poke someone, Chekov, this is the response you look for, not 

8 hours ago, Tariq j said:

If you have a suspicion about me. Vote for me. I’m going to use the same expression as you here. I’m Town. This is why I didn’t respond to Chekov’s vote earlier. If it gets me out of the way to focus on scummier players like McCoy then I’m fine with that. Where have my voting habits been unusual? I voted for Spock because of his incredibly scummy behavour on Day 1 and I voted for Kyle because of the way he behaved on Day 1. I can see I was wrong on both days. But then so was everyone else.

I also come from the future. (Though not quite as far ahead) hence why I’m also not hugely in sync with everyone else.

This isn't townie. This is literally nothing.

[Khscarymovie4]

32 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

Because I wanted to crack a quick joke before coming back with a serious frame of mind?

What? I don't understand why any townie thinks making a joke takes precedent over actual thoughts they are having. When were you planing on revealing these thoughts had you not been called out for it? 

23 hours ago, jimmynick said:

I'm worried about how Sulu cast the key vote on the Kyle wagon while sliding under our radar. So

Vote: Sulu (Tariq j)

Perhaps I should state explicitly that my vote assumes that McCoy is scum and his scumbuddy Sulu voted for Kyle to bail him out.

 

8 hours ago, Tariq j said:

If you have a suspicion about me. Vote for me. I’m going to use the same expression as you here. I’m Town. This is why I didn’t respond to Chekov’s vote earlier. If it gets me out of the way to focus on scummier players like McCoy then I’m fine with that. Where have my voting habits been unusual? I voted for Spock because of his incredibly scummy behavour on Day 1 and I voted for Kyle because of the way he behaved on Day 1. I can see I was wrong on both days. But then so was everyone else.

 

58 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

Next is Sulu actually. His response to my vote is very sane and measured considering there isn't actually much there. It's what I would do if someone spouted some nonsense about me.

Here is the whole interaction between Sulu and Chekov. Make of it what you will. But I have some analysis. I agree with what Mallory and Scotty are saying about all this being very odd. I said this about Scotty when he kept saying he would be OK with being lynched latter on, if you are a townie you should not be too OK with being lynched as it hurts the town. The fact that Sulu does not even bother too attack Chekov's post is fishy as tuna. Why did he respond to Scotty's suspicions but not Chekov's? Chekov I find it funny that you said if someone was saying nonsense about you would just ignore it because its baloney. But then you say this. 

25 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

I'm calling out your BS, honey

Ok so you don't just sit around when someone are saying BS about you, you attack it. Then why are you OK with Sulu just sitting around? That is not what you would do which you have just shown. 

I hate to let McCoy live for so long while acting so scummy but I would be down for a lynch on Sulu or Chekov at this point. Though I would prefer Sulu as his lynch will give us more information either way. 

Also McCoy, I see you are around. Any thoughts on this madness? 

[Hinckley]

@jimmynick How does Sulu's response answer your suspicion about his vote for Kyle?

[Umbra-Manis]

3 hours ago, jimmynick said:

Where did Nurse Chapel's clothes go?

Uhura also seems to be pantsless.

2 minutes ago, Khscarymovie4 said:

Also McCoy, I see you are around. Any thoughts on this madness? 

Well madness is definitely the right word for it. Sulu and Chekov are both acting scummy as hell

45 minutes ago, jimmynick said:

You know what?

Unvote: McCoy (Umbra-Manis)

Vote: Mallory (CMP)

for so obstinately twisting words

The hell? This is your third different vote of the day, and the scummiest one so far. Your first claim was that I'm scum, so therefore you should vote for sulu on an assumption that we're scum buddies? No one had voted, so you wouldn't even have been accused of being a bandwagoner. Then you switch your vote as soon as CMP calls you out.

1 hour ago, jimmynick said:

Not at all, my vote is admittednly out on a limb. Would you prefer if I hammered McCoy? Because I can totally do that.

Unvote: Sulu (Tariq j)

Vote: McCoy (Umbra-Manis)

You were called out, and immediately you go to serving the will of the town, almost in a "the people have spoken" fashion so now you want to hammer. Then the spat with CMP continues so you change your vote to CMP.

35 minutes ago, CMP said:

1. Sulu's response to you coming at him with accusations that you admit are illogical and nonsensical is to ignore them. You think that's very sane, very measured, and very townie...and what you would do in that situation.

2. Your response to me coming at you with accusations that you believe are BS is to fight back and try and dismantle my argument. I assume you think you're acting very sane, very measured, and very townie, even though you're doing the exact opposite of what you said you would.

See, number 2. is what you want when you level suspicions at somebody. You want a back-and-forth, you want the person to defend themselves so you can get a better read on them. You doing number 2. (heh) is the most genuine thing I've seen from you all day. It's what you do when somebody is targeting you. 

Unless, I guess, you're Sulu, and the person targeting you is Chekov. So...why the double standard? 

This is the best piece of analysis we've had today. @Tariq j is due in here to explain his half of this, hopefully pretty damn quickly. Right now though, Chekov is digging himself a hole everytime he posts.

Vote: Chekov (jimmynick)

[Hinckley]

19 minutes ago, Khscarymovie4 said:

I hate to let McCoy live for so long while acting so scummy but I would be down for a lynch on Sulu or Chekov at this point. Though I would prefer Sulu as his lynch will give us more information either way. 

Also McCoy, I see you are around. Any thoughts on this madness? 

I propose we lynch Sulu, who stopped in, read up, realized the heat was off and went to read about LEGO Movie 2 Sets. We'll keep wondering if we don't and now is the time to do it with seven of us left. We have some leeway if we get another one wrong.

I'm leaning heavily on Chekov for tomorrow.

And put your pants on. Then give me my bagpipes back. In that order, please.

[Tariq j]

1 hour ago, CMP said:

Why not call out the BS????????

It’s not BS. My point is I know I’m Town. If Chekhov wants to vote me out me out fine, all I’m saying is it’ll allow time to focus on the rest of the players. 

 

59 minutes ago, Hinckley said:

Here's more weird:

Yeah, well, your new buddy Chekov did a very similar thing without voting:

Just making sure you didn't mean that insisting on a Day One lynch is what give you pause. Your explanation is what I thought of it. So, my question is, Sulu, why don't you find Chekov suspicious for keeping his vote on Spock but pointedly saying he "had pause" about it? I find that very similar to Sulu's action of staying off the Townie wagon and throwing a vote at Uhura.

 

 

What? I never voted for Uhura?

34 minutes ago, Khscarymovie4 said:

 

 

The fact that Sulu does not even bother too attack Chekov's post is fishy as tuna. Why did he respond to Scotty's suspicions but not Chekov's? Chekov I find it funny that you said if someone was saying nonsense about you would just ignore it because its baloney. But then you say this. 

 

Why should I attack him? He hasn’t said anything scummy or at least anything of interest that I consider scummy. 

[Hinckley]

3 minutes ago, Tariq j said:

What? I never voted for Uhura?

Whoever. Freaking McCoy did. All Star Trek characters look the same to me. Who am I playing again? Uhura? Probably. You're purposely missing the point of the question. They're very similar tactics and yet you never call out Chekov for it. Here's how the damn question should read:

"So, my question is, Sulu, why don't you find Chekov suspicious for keeping his vote on Spock but pointedly saying he "had pause" about it? I find that very similar to McCoy's action of staying off the Townie wagon and throwing a vote at Uhura."

[CMP]

6 minutes ago, Tariq j said:

It’s not BS. My point is I know I’m Town. If Chekhov wants to vote me out me out fine, all I’m saying is it’ll allow time to focus on the rest of the players. 

You 'knowing' you're town helps nobody make a decision on you.

Go back and read Chekhov's vote on you and let us know if there's anything in there you might have an opinion about. Maybe go back and read the rest of the day too? We've been talking about you a lot.

[Tariq j]

Just now, CMP said:

You 'knowing' you're town helps nobody make a decision on you.

Go back and read Chekhov's vote on you and let us know if there's anything in there you might have an opinion about. Maybe go back and read the rest of the day too? We've been talking about you a lot.

I know you have. And I’ve read the rest of the day. I know exactly what’s gone on. Your logic is based of the fact that Chekhov’s vote for me regard me AND McCoy being scum. And I responded saying that people can vote for me if it focuses attention McCoy. And then Chekhov responds saying my response seemed perfectly normal. 

It’s odd. Chekhov’s response is weird. But he’s not my scum buddy. I’m not scum. I have NO idea why he responded like that and thought my response was weird whilst calling his own logic nonsense, My best guess his he’s trying to stitch me up. 

13 minutes ago, Hinckley said:

Whoever. Freaking McCoy did. All Star Trek characters look the same to me. Who am I playing again? Uhura? Probably. You're purposely missing the point of the question. They're very similar tactics and yet you never call out Chekov for it. Here's how the damn question should read:

"So, my question is, Sulu, why don't you find Chekov suspicious for keeping his vote on Spock but pointedly saying he "had pause" about it? I find that very similar to McCoy's action of staying off the Townie wagon and throwing a vote at Uhura."

Apologies, it’s the way it was said. McCoy made something of a definite statement. “I’m not really a fan of the Kyle lynch” it feels more... solid. Like he was trying to draw attention to the fact that he wasn’t voting for Kyle. Where as with Chekhov it was more of a  deliberation. 

As for my suspicions.  My top suspicions are Chekhov, I didn’t suspect him initially but his attempt to stick me up or whatever the hell he has tried to do here has changed my mind. McCoy, based of what he said at the end of yesterday. He’s also gone on the attack now he’s noticed the attention has been taken away from him. 

 

[Khscarymovie4]

28 minutes ago, Tariq j said:

It’s not BS. My point is I know I’m Town. If Chekhov wants to vote me out me out fine, all I’m saying is it’ll allow time to focus on the rest of the players. 

I can't say I agree with that. If you are town then you should know that voting for you is an entire day not focusing on others because we all voted for you. And simply allowing that to happen sure as heck is not helping us getting new info about others to focus on. 

36 minutes ago, Tariq j said:

It’s not BS. My point is I know I’m Town. If Chekhov wants to vote me out me out fine, all I’m saying is it’ll allow time to focus on the rest of the players. 

 

What? I never voted for Uhura?

Why should I attack him? He hasn’t said anything scummy or at least anything of interest that I consider scummy. 

I would think someone voting for you would be at least somewhat of interest. You also seem to think Scotty's suspicions were enough to respond to but a full on vote is not. Which is why I am asking you why did you not respond to Chekov's vote, yet did to Scotty's suspicions.