Duguay Trouin/HMS Implacable.

[Opproperaar]

Of course a country like sweden(or any other country that had the money) could have bought her. but why?? The only two countrys that this ship meant something for was UK and France. for other countrys it would be a nice ship, but nothing more than they could show from their own land.

We could buy it to Norway and show how big the enemy ships could have been when we fight them with our

gunboats ( many of the Danish boats was Norwegian) b ut again, why bother, spending money on something that historical ment nothing to us . and we too had little money after the war.

Why? indeed it may not have had any historical value to those countries but then again, why were Scottish castles dissassembled brought to the US and rebuilt there?

The simple answer to why is: BECAUSE IT'S INTERNATIONAL HERITAGE.

If the coloseum would have to make way for a shopping mall for instance, there would be a lot more people than just Italians protseting against it. And why? Not because it's related to their own history, but BECAUSE IT'S INTERNATIONAL HISTORICAL HERITAGE.

Something which humanity can look back on

I'm not trying to sound aggressive here, just trying to get the point across.

[Col. Whipstick]

That's exactly what I was getting at... Half of the British Museam in London is filled with ancient artifacts that doen't really pertain to the history of Britain or her colonies but if these things hadn't be brought to museams like that they would all be in private collections or destroyed-damaged by so many conflicts in the middle east etc.

In the end of the day some things just need to be rescued by someone if no one with the right reasons will take responsibility. Usually it's the richest nations who can do this... at the time of the British Empire, Britain had the power and ability to move these things out of places that couldn't afford to protect them, likewise the US has in more recent years as the newer number 1 had that same ability.

Whilst I understand this specific ship had only British and French connections it's a priceless creation of immense historical value. If the Greek government tomorrow said they were going to bulldoze the Parthenon to make room for a casino on the Acropolis even though it's not our heritage the entire western world would be up in arms to stop them. Sadly I guess no one felt strongly enough anywhere about this ship or as I said earlier did the Royal Navy atleast offer it to anyone?

[Captain Green Hair]

Oh dear! This is terribly upsetting! X-O

Someone built a replica at once!

I've heard some inside information that one is in planning state, i'm happy now! :-D

Well the Royal Navy should have made the offer to more than just the French, I doubt the Dutch saying they'd take her but with any luck the Americans would have taken her. I wouldn't care about the HMS Implacable being on display in Boston or Jameston so long as she was preserved. In many ways Britain either didn't think it through clearly or were too stubborn about the nationality of the ship. Anyone who is prepared to purchase and care for these ships has a right to accomodate them in their country - that should be an international maritime law to prevent tragedies like the scuttling of this ship from ever happening again.

There should always be some wealthy American or Japanese firm or government to save the day hopefully. Britain could even have tried offering the ship to Canada or Australia that way still maintaining the British connection. Hell, if Peru said they'd buy the ship, let them have it!

So smart British do excist :-D

[Col. Whipstick]

You'd better believe it Orange Boy :-P

Anyway, you lot being our Allies more often than not you can be glad there's still a couple of us with brains about or Holland would have never endured the reformation given the Spanish, French and Germans have all fancied you as an extra province. X-D

[Captain Green Hair]

You'd better believe it Orange Boy :-P

Anyway, you lot being our Allies more often than not you can be glad there's still a couple of us with brains about or Holland would have never endured the reformation given the Spanish, French and Germans have all fancied you as an extra province. X-D

Yes, but our great Willem van Oranje and his follow ups solved this isseu very nice, i must say!

And ofcourse all of this happened before i was born....savvy? :-D

[Opproperaar]

I'm confused - Didn't the Dutch kick out the Spanish themselves? Raise a world empire themselves? Fought with the English themselves? Kill a couple of million people themselves?

Yup, they can be proud of that. - Though as a Belgian I guess I can't point the finger. Poor negrows in the Congo, they never saw it coming. |-/

Guess every Western European nation has a similar history :-P

Everybody's accusing the U.S. of genocide etc. and when we look back at our own history, we can still see we're the ones who excel at killing, wonder why we always forget? X-D

[Col. Whipstick]

Let's not go down that road...

I for one am proudly not so bleeding heart liberal X-D I think we should nip this one in the bud, I come here to escape the left-wing in everything and I'm glad of the escapism, with lego you make the world they way you want and that's it's beauty. Back to the point of the Dutch, it certainly didn't hurt Orange Willy to be co-regent on the throne of England, his use of conjoined English, Dutch and Germanic troops was necessary to secure Holland as an independent Protestant nation. For the most part in history those nations tend to get along and ally - the world wars being something of an trend breaker.

[Opproperaar]

Let's not go down that road...

I for one am proudly not so bleeding heart liberal X-D I think we should nip this one in the bud, I come here to escape the left-wing in everything and I'm glad of the escapism, with lego you make the world they way you want and that's it's beauty. Back to the point of the Dutch, it certainly didn't hurt Orange Willy to be co-regent on the throne of England, his use of conjoined English, Dutch and Germanic troops was necessary to secure Holland as an independent Protestant nation. For the most part in history those nations tend to get along and ally - the world wars being something of an trend breaker.

No, indeed not, though after the center of trade and commerce began shifting towards London all hell broke loose. Never ending alliances. One time the Dutch versus the French and the English and a moment later France joins up with Holland against the English and another moment later France finds itself against Holland and England.

Yup, for all the tough talk of some (not all) Americans I guess we're still the ones who've done the most fighting so far, not that we can be overly proud of that, merely stating the facts. |-/

And rest assured, I'm liberal too. :-P

[Col. Whipstick]

I'm very much NOT liberal, that was my point... As 99% of the world is I have all the more reason not to be. I have absolutely no regrets of the colonial period and I re-assert that the reason I attend this forum is it's one haven from liberalism and the reason I won't continue a discussion that will provoke debate.

So my lego imperials will march all over the world quite happily. :-P