Piratedave84 Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 What the heck? When did you jump to the conclusion that Seamus was the SK? What do you mean "he struck a deal with Minga?" I wouldn't say I'm defending him, but I'm not seeing any evidence that even remotely suggests he is the serial killer... Read back ... Come back after. I asserted that earlier today.
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Furthermore you had no reason, none, to post this here. You appear to have town's well being at heart but you have your own agenda; you are the SK. So now we just need to determine if you can win with us or what. You seem to have struck some type of deal with Minga last night and I'm curious to know what it is. Why would the SK who has his own win condition side with the town who he says is on the verge of loosing? What are basing that on? I don't understand your jump in logic. At all. the town block cleared me...so I'm the SK? Make sense, Paul. Although it is amusing to be accused by Scum. Read back ... Come back after. I asserted that earlier today. You're asserting it doesn't make it true. You can't make up weird reasons, like you watching me and nobody targeting me, for me to be Scum so now you're trying to accuse me of being the Serial Killer...for no reason at all. this is fun. You know I'm right about the cop; you know all my conclusions are bang on but you won't admit it. But at first you were insinuating that the identity wasn't the case and that Minga was misleading us, and then you insinuated you were right and the Minga was revealing too much...of the truth! You trying to incriminate people is quite amusing, please do more of it. It's great entertainment. And I see you're still at the rod and reel... Furthermore you had no reason, none, to post this here. I was quite clear about my reasons: 1. to show you're fishing for the identity of the investigator 2. to show you're contradicting yourself to try and undermine Minga
Piratedave84 Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 The problems are: 1) you were not confirmed, at least not by the investigator 2) you know I'm right about both you and the cop's identity
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 2) you know I'm right about both you and the cop's identity Did you and your Scum buddies try to kill me and fail? Is that what this is about? And now you think I'm the bulletproof SK? Awwwwww, how cute. Paul = Scum. The two words are synonymous. The more you speak, the more clear you make it. You were doing better when you ran and hid. :pir_kiss: :pir_kiss: :pir_kiss: Or is it this? Seamus Aaron (Hinckley) Race: Human (mostly) Occupation: Bounty Hunter Now Paul, there are no clues in the character descriptions. Go lay down before you hurt yourself... Or you could just tell us why you think that instead of trying to make people believe it just by saying it.
MagPiesRUs Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Funny that you missed all the posts I mentioned suspicion of Bock, let alone everything I've said all day and where are all of you suspicions about Diamond? Where are your suspicions of anyone besides 4 of 2? * I re-posted all my suspicions of Bock earlier...for your sake, lazy. Lazy? I didn't miss any of your posts on Bock, I looked through all of them and you barely touched on him until today. Most of them just amount to you chucking him in a list with a couple of other people in a similar boat. Nothing incriminating there. Your revelation that Bock messaged you about the codes didn't strike me as accusatory. Your response to Bock's insistence that we reveal the other cleared townie didn't either, that felt more like an omgus. And I have been airing my main suspicion since the day started. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to clarify my other suspects though: Bock, obviously. He fished for information on the second cleared townie and tried to discredit the investigator in the process, plus the bandwagon against Rip that saved him yesterday contained all my top suspects. Harriet has been flying so far under the radar I almost forget about her. On the first day, she withheld her list of suspects because she was worried she'd be killed for "knowing too much". Then when pushed the next day, she revealed her suspicions, who all turned up to be nothing much more than gut feelings. Then there's Paul and 4 of 2, who would both be top of my list if it weren't for their claims. I think vig would be a harder role to fake than watcher, so of the two I would think Paul more likely to be scum. PR claims aside, Paul is also clearly the more suspicious, having repeatedly admitted to doing scummy things, from sheeping the vote on day one to his behaviour throughout day two. Anyway, now I'm not even going to say a word about who I think should be lynched and I'll vote last. I probably don't have the self control to do that... I wasn't suggesting you do that at all, I was hoping more for the opposite. It just seems like a really good place for you to sit, waiting for everyone else to make their decision before you commit to anything. That way, you avoid the blame should a lynch go wrong. I know it might be a little unfair to expect you to play the same way every time - you should be free to change your playstyle if you want - but just the way you have explained your strategy just strikes me as scummy.
Dannylonglegs Posted September 18, 2015 Author Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Danny stepped out of the room to go find chairs. "Ummm. You lot can vote in an hour" he stated, before leaving to find the supply closet. "This was so much easier when we had Claw!" He muttered as he left. Voting is now open: with 11 players, a majority of 6 is required to lynch. The day ends 49.5 hours from now. Pictures to come later. Edited September 18, 2015 by Dannylonglegs
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Lazy? I didn't miss any of your posts on Bock, I looked through all of them and you barely touched on him until today. Most of them just amount to you chucking him in a list with a couple of other people in a similar boat. Nothing incriminating there. Your revelation that Bock messaged you about the codes didn't strike me as accusatory. Your response to Bock's insistence that we reveal the other cleared townie didn't either, that felt more like an omgus. OMGUS means I was accusing him because he accused me so I don't think it fits that at all. I wouldn't have posted Bock's PM for fun. I posted it because I thought it came at an odd time and he could've asked all of those questions in thread and it was almost like he was trying to prove he'd never heard any of it. I thought that all spoke for itself. Telling a veteran player they should know better...isn't a Mafia lesson. I apologize for not being explicit enough for you. I'll try to spell everything out more thoroughly in the future. I'm always told I'm not verbose enough. I'll try to talk more. And I have been airing my main suspicion since the day started. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to clarify my other suspects though: A whole day? Wow, welcome to the game. Bock, obviously. He fished for information on the second cleared townie and tried to discredit the investigator in the process, plus the bandwagon against Rip that saved him yesterday contained all my top suspects. Harriet has been flying so far under the radar I almost forget about her. On the first day, she withheld her list of suspects because she was worried she'd be killed for "knowing too much". Then when pushed the next day, she revealed her suspicions, who all turned up to be nothing much more than gut feelings. Then there's Paul and 4 of 2, who would both be top of my list if it weren't for their claims. I think vig would be a harder role to fake than watcher, so of the two I would think Paul more likely to be scum. PR claims aside, Paul is also clearly the more suspicious, having repeatedly admitted to doing scummy things, from sheeping the vote on day one to his behaviour throughout day two. Oh, well then we 100% agree on our suspicions. What is your take on Zipzop. Just a Ro87n? I wasn't suggesting you do that at all, I was hoping more for the opposite. It just seems like a really good place for you to sit, waiting for everyone else to make their decision before you commit to anything. That way, you avoid the blame should a lynch go wrong. I know it might be a little unfair to expect you to play the same way every time - you should be free to change your playstyle if you want - but just the way you have explained your strategy just strikes me as scummy. I'm not saying people can't form their own opinions. I'm saying I heard enough of people (I think it was specifically Clem in this game) say that my vote has influence and he accused me of trying to set Paul up for a false lynch. I say "Fine, I won't vote" to show that the Scum can't sheep behind me. And then you come along and say "But that's Scummy. If you have influence, why don't you lead?" Can't please all the people... Same thing happened last time I tried it. Rufus went at me all day and didn't let it go until people finally told him to leave it be. I came out with a case and a vote early, before voting started, on Day One. I held back on Day Two and followed Scummy Diamond (who played an amazing game of avoiding suspicion. ) and your arguments for what I thought was a solid case and the votes did swing towards the person I voted. So, on Day Three I tried not voting. It's not like I was sheeping or waiting until the end of a wagon the whole game. You can see I'm choosing a strategy. And I megablocking hammered Rip ... and it went wrong. Seems like I can still be blamed. I had the option not to lynch. But why is that an issue anyway when the leader of the Town block only gave us two viable options? If it was working as hard as it said it was, we all pretty much had to follow it. Even Scum would've hammered either one. I'm not even sure what your point is any more. I didn't vote early so Scum couldn't hide behind it, as I stated at least twice before the voting was over and even before it started.
mediumsnowman Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Vote: Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) The investigator hath spoken.
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 vote: Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) There, Nathan. I'm not waiting.
Lind Whisperer Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Vote: The One Person That Successfully Avoided Notice Until Being Caught By The Alien Arm of The Law Diamond Dodd (CallMePie)
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Aw, why'd Paul leave? He almost had me convinced I'm the Serial Killer with his thorough arguments.
MagPiesRUs Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Vote: Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) OMGUS means I was accusing him because he accused me so I don't think it fits that at all. Oh, is that what it refers to? I'm no good with acronyms. Well, your post about Bob wanting the other cop-result revealed felt more like a lecture than a suspicion. A whole day? Wow, welcome to the game. I also aired my main suspicion yesterday - 4 of 2. And the day before that, I aired my suspicions then too - Claw, Harriet, Paul. And the day before... Oh, well then we 100% agree on our suspicions. What is your take on Zipzop. Just a Ro87n? What's a Ro87n? I'm leaning more on the town side with Zipzup. The code plan feels genuine to me, even if I still can't make total sense of it. I'm not saying people can't form their own opinions. I'm saying I heard enough of people (I think it was specifically Clem in this game) say that my vote has influence and he accused me of trying to set Paul up for a false lynch. I say "Fine, I won't vote" to show that the Scum can't sheep behind me. And then you come along and say "But that's Scummy. If you have influence, why don't you lead?" Can't please all the people... I'm not suggesting you have to lead. But going in the opposite direction and refusing to vote or name suspects until the everyone has revealed theirs is just weird. vote: Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) There, Nathan. I'm not waiting.
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 What's a Ro87n? Oh God. Read Mafia School: FABULAND Housewives. So brilliant. He had to have been eight years old. On the first day he claimed he'd been tied up and thrown in a back room and beaten. Oh God, he thought it was roleplaying and he just did everything wrong throughout the rest of the game. Although he survived, won and nailed a Scum on the first day, for the completely wrong reason. I'm not suggesting you have to lead. But going in the opposite direction and refusing to vote or name suspects until the everyone has revealed theirs is just weird. Do you really think I haven't been naming suspects... :blank_unbelieving_stare: Or do you think I was serious when I mentioned it before? I thought I immediately indicated it was a joke. But I do understand your point. Like I said, it was an experiment, not a genius tactic.
Dragonfire Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Vote: Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) And Seamus, Paul was saying basically everything I would have if I was around. (no, I'm not defending him since I don't know if he's town or scum... just he and I happen to be thinking similarly on this). The biggest this was where you questioned him saying the block had it solved. He quoted over and over where Minga was indicating that. that's the reason I was suggesting a mass claim. IF THEY HAVE IT ALL SOLVED, THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO KEEP SECRETS ANYMORE. Minga meant in her post that we'd probably found a scum, aka Diamond. Diamond, the only person I never suspected. You were a highly unlikely investigation target and therefore a highly unlikely framing target. Guess why we investigated her That must be where the leak in Zipzop's code system is and why Vasquez is dead. Minga was thinking that too.
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 About why he was parroting you. Didn't amount to much. Harriet says you told her the Town block wanted you to find out from her why she was parroting me but the Town block says that you did it on your own. Who is not telling the truth there?
Lind Whisperer Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Oh, Paul? Seeing as how you're getting a lot of free Mafia Schooling, without it even being in session, here's one more helpful little tidbit. Did you know the tracker can still see a killer target someone, even when the target is protected?
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Seeing as how you're getting a lot of free Mafia Schooling, without it even being in session, here's one more helpful little tidbit. Did you know the tracker can still see a killer target someone, even when the target is protected? Even when the protection is from a Serial Killer's bulletproof vest? Sorry...couldn't resist.
Bob Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Vote: Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) Investigated as scum means that you're done.
mostlytechnic Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 vote: Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) I'll be back to talk more once my human parts have woken up via caffeine some more...
mostlytechnic Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Well, the caffeine is in but nothing really new to add. Got our 7 votes to seal the lynch; maybe if the other 3 can come get their votes on Diamond we can end the day early and get to the night and get another scummo investigated. Drawback to that is missing out on more of the fun SK fight between Seamus and paul :) Although I have to say, I don't have a ton of faith in Seamus' scum-dar. He's looking at me (a definite townie) and Paul (I've got him just slightly townie so far) as the lead scum suspects. And more importantly, everyone he's voted for so far has turned up townie! Granted, that applies to a bunch of people here, but still...
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Although I have to say, I don't have a ton of faith in Seamus' scum-dar. I don't either. If you and Paul are Town, I really need to re–evaluate how I approach the game. But is the new Town–tell being Scummy? You have to, but haven't even commented on Paul's behavior, admit that he is super Scummy. Not to mention all the things I directly asked you about earlier, which I didn't see a response, he is now fishing for the identity of the investigator, trying to undermine the Town block, contradicting himself in order to do so and now, hilariously, accusing me of being the Serial Killer with absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever. "I asserted it". I am starting to think I'm wrong about you and then you defend Paul. If I'm wrong about anyone, as I said earlier, it's you. But the more of an a–Paul–ogistTM you become, the harder it is for me to see it. You are not "clearly Town". Claiming as late in the day as you did could've been because you waited to see if there were vig claims and going out on a limb to save yourself. Saying you will stay home is easy when you're fake claiming. Especially when you might've thought you only needed one more night to win the game. I'm no longer very confident in any of my reads, except Scum–of–the–Earth Paul, but perhaps if you are Town, since there's a list of things I could point out that seemed really Scummy and other don't seem to trust you either, perhaps you should also re–evaluate your game. Like Paul "asserting" that I'm the Serial Killer, just saying that you are clearly Town doesn't make it true.
Piratedave84 Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Vote: Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) You have tunnel vision on me and it makes you miss the big picture which really sucks for us; this town loss will be on Minga and Clem for having poorly led the town. Seamus can probably win with either side so he does not care what happens and you can see he's having a blast!!! I don't know what to say anymore, Minga told me Seamus was the SK, gave scum all the clues they needed to find the cop, Seamus told us the tracker was dead, sigh ... Hey but you know ... I'm the bad guy here ... I don't either. If you and Paul are Town, I really need to re–evaluate how I approach the game. But is the new Town–tell being Scummy? You have to, but haven't even commented on Paul's behavior, admit that he is super Scummy. Not to mention all the things I directly asked you about earlier, which I didn't see a response, he is now fishing for the identity of the investigator, trying to undermine the Town block, contradicting himself in order to do so and now, hilariously, accusing me of being the Serial Killer with absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever. "I asserted it". I am starting to think I'm wrong about you and then you defend Paul. If I'm wrong about anyone, as I said earlier, it's you. But the more of an a–Paul–ogistTM you become, the harder it is for me to see it. You are not "clearly Town". Claiming as late in the day as you did could've been because you waited to see if there were vig claims and going out on a limb to save yourself. Saying you will stay home is easy when you're fake claiming. Especially when you might've thought you only needed one more night to win the game. I'm no longer very confident in any of my reads, except Scum–of–the–Earth Paul, but perhaps if you are Town, since there's a list of things I could point out that seemed really Scummy and other don't seem to trust you either, perhaps you should also re–evaluate your game. Like Paul "asserting" that I'm the Serial Killer, just saying that you are clearly Town doesn't make it true. Except that I'm not fishing, I'm right about the cop; you know it, Minga knows it but still you insist that I'm wrong. It's fine by me that you have your own win condition and that you sided with town to win with us BUT in killing/lynching me, you will kill town ... again ... oh wait! that's what you've been doing since day one ... HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT PAUL; HE'S SCUMMY! LET'S LYNCH TOWN AGAIN! YAY!
mostlytechnic Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I don't either. If you and Paul are Town, I really need to re–evaluate how I approach the game. But is the new Town–tell being Scummy? You have to, but haven't even commented on Paul's behavior, admit that he is super Scummy. Not to mention all the things I directly asked you about earlier, which I didn't see a response, he is now fishing for the identity of the investigator, trying to undermine the Town block, contradicting himself in order to do so and now, hilariously, accusing me of being the Serial Killer with absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever. "I asserted it". I am starting to think I'm wrong about you and then you defend Paul. If I'm wrong about anyone, as I said earlier, it's you. But the more of an a–Paul–ogistTM you become, the harder it is for me to see it. You are not "clearly Town". Claiming as late in the day as you did could've been because you waited to see if there were vig claims and going out on a limb to save yourself. Saying you will stay home is easy when you're fake claiming. Especially when you might've thought you only needed one more night to win the game. I'm no longer very confident in any of my reads, except Scum–of–the–Earth Paul, but perhaps if you are Town, since there's a list of things I could point out that seemed really Scummy and other don't seem to trust you either, perhaps you should also re–evaluate your game. Like Paul "asserting" that I'm the Serial Killer, just saying that you are clearly Town doesn't make it true. Where did I say I was clearly town? I assume you mean where I called myself a definite townie? I meant that I know I am, not that I'm the towniest of townies. But I suspect an issue we're running into is that "newer" players (such as myself and many others) and older players (like Seamus) do things differently. And so things that we say that make sense to us come across as "oh look a scummo!!!!%#@~!" to others. But this is all a discussion for after we get the blacktron out of here. So... sure, I'll go back through today and find whatever you asked me that I didn't respond to, and I'll even look at paul. Although my gut read on him is that he's handling info differently than Seamus AND he's getting frustrated and annoyed with the constant hammering on him (l know I've been there this game, so I'm sure he has too) While I'm talking... been thinking about Zipzop. I'm torn. My read on him without looking at vote patterns is town. I think his code system was confusing to people and a distraction and some people (*cough*Seamus*cough*) got particularly confused and caught up with it, but it didn't strike me as a scummy thing. My whole basis for still ranking him as scum is the day 1 vote wagons. And then my guess is that he and the other scummos thought some code system would be good distraction and townie-looking, he made it way to complex and didn't explain well when we started talking, and it snowballed from there. That's what my gut tells me on him. If we didn't have a scum result on Diamond, I'd be pushing hard for Zip as the lynch for today.
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Where did I say I was clearly town? He's looking at me (a definite townie) While I'm talking... been thinking about Zipzop. I'm torn. My read on him without looking at vote patterns is town. I think his code system was confusing to people and a distraction and some people (*cough*Seamus*cough*) got particularly confused and caught up with it, but it didn't strike me as a scummy thing. My whole basis for still ranking him as scum is the day 1 vote wagons. And then my guess is that he and the other scummos thought some code system would be good distraction and townie-looking, he made it way to complex and didn't explain well when we started talking, and it snowballed from there. That's what my gut tells me on him. If we didn't have a scum result on Diamond, I'd be pushing hard for Zip as the lynch for today. Because there has to be Scum on one wagon, right? this town loss will be on Minga and Clem for having poorly led the town. They're doing just fine and I don't think we're going to lose. Minga told me Seamus was the SK I know that's not true. Do you care to quote this for us? Why are you desperate to make me look like the SK? Except that I'm not fishing, I'm right about the cop; you know it, Minga knows it but still you insist that I'm wrong. If you were Town, you would've gone to Minga to show it where it was revealing too much info, not to me, who you think is the Serial Killer, to guess at the identity of the investigator. Your focus is on the identity. You're fishing. It's the very definition of fishing. You're still doing it. That sentence I quoted is the Scummiest contradiction I have ever read. Ever. BUT in killing/lynching me, you will kill town ... again ... oh wait! that's what you've been doing since day one ... HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT PAUL; HE'S SCUMMY! LET'S LYNCH TOWN AGAIN! YAY! See Nathan? All the lynches are my responsibility. Good thing you've only voted for Scum, Paul. You haven't lynched any Townies. Nothing you've done or said this entire game seems Town–motivated Paul. Setting yourself in opposition to the Town block all day hasn't really helped. I'm not privvy to all of the Town block information but I'm pretty sure you've obliterated any trust they had in you. It's funny to watch you not realizing how obvious you are. Please continue to entertain us. Oh, and since Paul and Harriet are both here, Paul, perhaps you can clear up why Harriet says you told her the Town block sent you to find out why she was parroting me and the Town block says it was your idea. What's the real story there?
mediumsnowman Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Oh, and since Paul and Harriet are both here, Paul, perhaps you can clear up why Harriet says you told her the Town block sent you to find out why she was parroting me and the Town block says it was your idea. What's the real story there? All I know is what Paul PM'd me. He told me the town block sent him.
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