mostlytechnic Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 What solid defense do you expect? I told Minga I was vanilla when she asked. I can't pull a night action out of my ass to counter an investigation result. All I can give you are my best guesses why I'm being investigated as scum. Can you point to anything you've done this game to help the town? You were a highly unlikely investigation target and therefore a highly unlikely framing target. Yup. That's why I'm not giving any credence to the framer idea. If the scum have a framer it'd have been on me or Paul last night.
CMP Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Can you point to anything you've done this game to help the town? Can you? I got us back on track on Day Two by starting off the vote on Claw after we spent the entire freaking time dismantling Clem's claim. He turned up town but at least we didn't end up with a no-lynch. Beyond that, nothing in particular. I don't have a night action so I voice my suspicions whenever I can. You were a highly unlikely investigation target and therefore a highly unlikely framing target. Yeah, I don't think it seems likely either. I think we determined the odds of a framer were low anyway. Well, this is going to be a fun day. Defend myself in every direction, get lynched anyway, flawless victory for the scum.
Lind Whisperer Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Can you? I got us back on track on Day Two by starting off the vote on Claw after we spent the entire freaking time dismantling Clem's claim. He turned up town but at least we didn't end up with a no-lynch. You know - you're right. You did get "us" - e.g., the scum - 'back on track', by voting for a Townie.
mediumsnowman Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Excellent! Finally caught one! It's about time too.
CMP Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 You know - you're right. You did get "us" - e.g., the scum - 'back on track', by voting for a Townie. Oh, fuck me, you're right. God help me I voted for a townie. Crime of the century. I'm entirely uncertain as to how to proceed here. Part of me wants to give up because I know that investigation results are about the most damning evidence you could find, but on the other hand I have pretty much no doubt this is lynch or lose so not even my post-mortem advice is going to be of any use.
Hinckley Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 yes they do when they don't have any open communication with the block No, Paul. You don't need the town block to figure that out. I don't have your Action or the block and I figured it out. You just need two brain cells to rub together... ...to figure out you can't watch yourself to find a blocker
CMP Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 There has to be something else we can go off of. Did the block notice the complete lack of any kill last night?? Who was blocked? Is it possible Night Two had a one-shot kill or something instead of an SK? Maybe 4 of 2 thought Clem inherited tracker and didn't want to risk killing? Did you question why your investigator didn't bother verifying any of the endlessly more suspicious people that are now INSIDE the town block??? Paul is still alive!!! How?! I stopped suspecting him because I assumed he would be investigated after his claim! :facepalm: Why the hell are he and 4 of 2 getting a pass?? Why did I have any faith in this block??
mostlytechnic Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 There has to be something else we can go off of. Did the block notice the complete lack of any kill last night?? Who was blocked? Is it possible Night Two had a one-shot kill or something instead of an SK? Maybe 4 of 2 thought Clem inherited tracker and didn't want to risk killing? Did you question why your investigator didn't bother verifying any of the endlessly more suspicious people that are now INSIDE the town block??? So now you're suggesting there is no SK? That doesn't make sense, since I already explained that I didn't kill night 1. So who was the other killer there? Night 1 there was a scum kill and a SK kill. Night 2 there was SK, scum, and vig kills. Night 3 there was no vig because I stayed home, no scum (probably cause we blocked them or protected the target), and no sk (either blocked, protected against, or stayed home). So, I don't see a 1 shot in there anywhere since the SK killed on night 1.
mediumsnowman Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Inthink Mr. Dodd is floating the possibility you could have lied about staying home Night 1. *I think.
Piratedave84 Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 I did not expect that! But I did suggest that the block investigate an experienced player so kudos to me for that!
Bob Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 I'm happy to announce that we have caught Scum! Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) is a Scummy Scum! That must be where the leak in Zipzop's code system is and why Vasquez is dead.
Hinckley Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Awesome! Thanks for sharing Minga! And Seamus, Paul was saying basically everything I would have if I was around. (no, I'm not defending him since I don't know if he's town or scum... just he and I happen to be thinking similarly on this). The biggest this was where you questioned him saying the block had it solved. He quoted over and over where Minga was indicating that. that's the reason I was suggesting a mass claim. IF THEY HAVE IT ALL SOLVED, THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO KEEP SECRETS ANYMORE. If that's not the case, then we need them to say so. Don't worry. You're already implicated with Paul. And this being your only concern with the interaction is concerning. Now I can't think of what to make of Diamonds reaction to my case against you two. That must be where the leak in Zipzop's code system is and why Vasquez is dead. Did Diamond know Vazquez had part of the code? And do you really think that code was important they would kill over it? I did not expect that! But I did suggest that the block investigate an experienced player so kudos to me for that! No. You were pushing for them to investigate Bock, though.
CMP Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 That must be where the leak in Zipzop's code system is and why Vasquez is dead. I haven't set foot in that toilet and I don't intend to. What does Vasquez have to do with anything?
Sir Stig Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 I don't believe you answered me. Sent 11 September 2015 - 12:21 AM to Diamond Dodd. 4 of 2 Sent 11 September 2015 - 12:16 AM. Nathan Sent 11 September 2015 - 12:13 AM.+7? hours because of the timezone (Norway GMT+1). What is the standard time on this planet? (EB forum). Anyway, the day end and 24 hour notice for night actions show on my timesetting as: Posted 10 September 2015 - 05:04 AM I'll leave the analyzing to someone else, since apparently none of you understand what I am saying.
Hinckley Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Sent 11 September 2015 - 12:21 AM to Diamond Dodd. 4 of 2 Sent 11 September 2015 - 12:16 AM. Nathan Sent 11 September 2015 - 12:13 AM. +7? hours because of the timezone (Norway GMT+1). What is the standard time on this planet? (EB forum). Anyway, the day end and 24 hour notice for night actions show on my timesetting as: Posted 10 September 2015 - 05:04 AM I'll leave the analyzing to someone else, since apparently none of you understand what I am saying. Can't you use the multi–quote button???? For God's sake, 24 hours is 24 hours. The host always gives the number of hours and you add that to the timestamp of his post. It is not rocket science.
Hinckley Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 I'm pressing them because they are not leading us, they are delaying us. We are loosing time and energy scrutinizing people who may be confirmed. But that's not what he says via PM. He PMs me to try and undermine Minga and gives a different reason. From PM: Paul: About Dragonfire He gave the cop to the scum team ... He claims to not have the cop results yet *speculation about the identity of the investigator*. He is voluntarily withholding information from the town He is the only link we all have to the claimed PRs How did he get all these claims? He PMed everybody demanding claims? Isn't that weird? no? based on this I don't really trust him to lead us and that's why I'm pressuring him. Me: He gave the investigator to the Scum team? That's a pretty bold statement. What do you even mean by that? Paul: Like I said, it took me literally 30 seconds to figure out *speculation*. redacted Then I called him out on it and *speculation* and he lost his mind ... so yeah ... *speculation* is the cop Like I told him, I hope scum are dense as brick because the clues are all there. ___________________ First of all, this doesn't look like you don't trust him because your speculation about him not revealing the result... is what you're basing your guess on as to who the investigator is. I know that's a hard sentence to swallow, let me try to make it more clear. Paul has a guess about the identity of the investigator and this guess leads him to one singular player. For Paul to not believe Minga is telling the truth, this guess has to be wrong. But he's also trying to prove to me that Minga says too much and that his guess is right which means he shouldn't be suspecting Minga of lying. So he's just trying...everything...including contradicting himself...to sow mistrust in the Town block. And if that's not fishing, Paul, then yar bum's oot the window... [quote name='Sir Stig' timestamp='1442528871' post='2332840'] [color=#000000][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Sent 11 September 2015 - 12:21 AM to Diamond Dodd. 4 of 2 [/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Sent 11 September 2015 - 12:16 AM. Nathan [/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Sent 11 September 2015 - 12:13 AM.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]+7? hours because of the timezone (Norway GMT+1). What is the standard time on this planet? (EB forum). Anyway, the day end and 24 hour notice for night actions show on my timesetting as: [/size][/font][/color][color=#808080][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Posted [/b][/size][/font][/color]10 September 2015 - 05:04 AM [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#000000][size=3]I'll leave the analyzing to someone else, since apparently none of you understand what I am saying.[/size][/color][/font] [/quote] Why is there always this markup in your posts? Do you compose your posts somewhere else and then copy and paste them here? Day One 11 votes for Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide): (Mediumsnowman, Hinckley, Tariq, Bob, Captain Nemo, TinyPiesRUs, CallMePie, Fhomess, Piratedave84, Jluck, Ranger of the Forest) 6 votes for Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer): (Chromeknight, Sir Stig, Xenophobic Monoxide, Lazychicken, Lady K, Dragonfire) 1 vote for Vasquez Rodriguez (Lady K): (Lind Whisperer) 1 vote for Hannah Ford (Ranger of the Forest): Mostlytechnic Day Two Claw (theLazychicken): 12 votes (CallmePie, Ranger of the Forest, Hinckley, Tariq j, Captain Nemo, Dragonfire, fhomess, mostlytechnic, Bob, Sir Stig, Lady K, TinyPiesRUs) Ooooh! Scum never start a bandwagon! How bold. I actually did put him in my Town column because he led a case and voted first. Jerk. Laura Starbucks (Tariq j): 1 vote (Lind Whisperer) Paul Harkonnenn (PirateDave84): 2 votes (theLazyChicken, mediumsnowman) Seamus Aaron (Hinckley): 1 vote (PirateDave84) Day Three 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 1 vote (Captain Nemo) Bock Pathos (Bob): 4 votes (RangeroftheForest, Dragonfire, Lind Whisperer, Sir Stig) 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 7 votes (mediumsnowman, Bob, mostlytechnic, CallMePie, TinyPiesRUs, PirateDave84,Hinckley) With 7 votes, 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo) has been lynched. When I look at it through my "Paul and 4 of 2 are Scum" blinders, it looks like they have a tendency to be on the same strategy. Either follow Diamond, the obvious brains of the operation or vote randomly for Hannah in one case and me in another, both for weak reasoning. If this is anything to go by, I now suspect Bock, Nathan...Paul and 4 of 2! I bet you were surprised by that last part. It sure would've been smart for the Scum to kill me yesterday if I was wrong about those two. I've been so wrong and stuck in a tunnel on Paul and 4 of 2 that killing me would've incriminated them. But the Scum only would've done that if I was wrong. Harriet, what can you tell us about your contact with Paul? Day One and Day Three are almost looking like there is no Scum on one bandwagon...unlike what 4 of 2 keeps trying to tell us...almost like one of their strategies was "Everyone hop on the same wagon because Scum never does that!"
Sir Stig Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Why is there always this markup in your posts? Do you compose your posts somewhere else and then copy and paste them here? Beats me. I only copied the date and time from PMs and date of time from the day end post. And this post I quoted you and accidentale deleted the quote marks, so I had to manually write quote.
mostlytechnic Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 It sure would've been smart for the Scum to kill me yesterday if I was wrong about those two. I've been so wrong and stuck in a tunnel on Paul and 4 of 2 that killing me would've incriminated them. But the Scum only would've done that if I was wrong. No, you're wrong (at least about me; I can't speak for Paul) and the scum are leaving you alive because you have massive tunnel vision on us and are misleading the town. In fact, the fact that you're alive either means you were a failed kill target OR you're wrong about both of us. Now that I think about it a bit more, you're actually making me lean town on Paul. If either of us were scum, they've have killed you in order to silence you since you're a powerful voice who shouts loudly until people follow you. (if I ever call you Randy by accident, it's because there's a guy I work with like that). You are the biggest risk to Paul and I. No one would suspect anything about you getting nightkilled having a specific reason, since most of the time the scum don't put that much thought into WHO they kill beyond suspected PRs and who won't be protected/watched. Day One and Day Three are almost looking like there is no Scum on one bandwagon...unlike what 4 of 2 keeps trying to tell us...almost like one of their strategies was "Everyone hop on the same wagon because Scum never does that!" Or, you know... zipzop is still there. I'm still leaning scum on him for the same reason I voted him before.
Hinckley Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 No, you're wrong (at least about me; I can't speak for Paul) and the scum are leaving you alive because you have massive tunnel vision on us and are misleading the town. In fact, the fact that you're alive either means you were a failed kill target OR you're wrong about both of us. Now that I think about it a bit more, you're actually making me lean town on Paul. If either of us were scum, they've have killed you in order to silence you since you're a powerful voice who shouts loudly until people follow you. (if I ever call you Randy by accident, it's because there's a guy I work with like that). You are the biggest risk to Paul and I. No one would suspect anything about you getting nightkilled having a specific reason, since most of the time the scum don't put that much thought into WHO they kill beyond suspected PRs and who won't be protected/watched. Or, you know... zipzop is still there. I'm still leaning scum on him for the same reason I voted him before. Even if I'm wrong on you, which is much more likely than being wrong on Paul, you're OK with him contradicting himself with not trusting/pressing Minga for NA results? You're OK with him fishing for the id of the investigator? You're OK with his Scummy posts and senseless votes and the weird things he's said and how he's given different reason for voting me and voting Dr. Wen and admitting he sheeped the vote and admitted to being Scummy and not town–like? You're OK with him watching himself which defies all Town logic but makes perfect Scum sense? You're OK with all of that?
Hinckley Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Diamond does make that case against Claw and then, later, encourages everyone to reach a lynch, a very Townie move! Nathan adds to the case, but doesn't vote right away. But again, that's the day he forgot how long the day was. Hard to imagine a Scum wouldn't be aware a Night phase was coming...
MagPiesRUs Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Diamond, we were going to get off this dump and see the stars! I trusted you. We even shared clothes! Why did you have to get caught up with those scummy scummy Blacktrons? Diamond, the only person I never suspected. Funny that of the two people who are scummiest at the moment, Diamond and Bock, you've barely touched on either of them the entire game. But as I said earlier, if the block truly has this all solved, then it doesn't matter if the scum know the PRs. We outnumber them and can keep it that way. I was primarily calling for a mass claim since the block doesn't seem to be telling us anything other than "we know who the scum are" but not telling us! This request really worries me. It assumes that all of the PR claims are true, but if the town block is wrong about even one claimed PR, this plan could all turn into yī dà tuó dà biàn. The scum would go after the PRs capable of verifying any PR claims first. Then if we continued to go after those who hadn't claimed, one mislynch plus two townie deaths from the SK and scum could potentially lose us the game.
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Funny that of the two people who are scummiest at the moment, Diamond and Bock, you've barely touched on either of them the entire game. Funny that you missed all the posts I mentioned suspicion of Bock, let alone everything I've said all day and where are all of you suspicions about Diamond? Where are your suspicions of anyone besides 4 of 2? * I re-posted all my suspicions of Bock earlier...for your sake, lazy.
Piratedave84 Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Don't worry. You're already implicated with Paul. And this being your only concern with the interaction is concerning. Now I can't think of what to make of Diamonds reaction to my case against you two. Did Diamond know Vazquez had part of the code? And do you really think that code was important they would kill over it? No. You were pushing for them to investigate Bock, though. No ... Oh yeah I forgot that you were in the PM group You know I'm right about the cop; you know all my conclusions are bang on but you won't admit it.
Piratedave84 Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Furthermore you had no reason, none, to post this here. You appear to have town's well being at heart but you have your own agenda; you are the SK. So now we just need to determine if you can win with us or what. You seem to have struck some type of deal with Minga last night and I'm curious to know what it is. Why would the SK who has his own win condition side with the town who he says is on the verge of loosing?
mediumsnowman Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Furthermore you had no reason, none, to post this here. You appear to have town's well being at heart but you have your own agenda; you are the SK. So now we just need to determine if you can win with us or what. You seem to have struck some type of deal with Minga last night and I'm curious to know what it is. Why would the SK who has his own win condition side with the town who he says is on the verge of loosing? What the heck? When did you jump to the conclusion that Seamus was the SK? What do you mean "he struck a deal with Minga?" I wouldn't say I'm defending him, but I'm not seeing any evidence that even remotely suggests he is the serial killer...
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