Hinckley Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Seamus; i came here earlier to PM because there were important matters that needed discussing in private which by far superseded the need to address your misplaced concerns. i'm not hiding, I have other matters to attend in private and that's where I'm focusing my attention for now. You're playing your game in private instead of in public and that's Scummy. You're still doing it. You haven't answered one concern I've had, you only called them misplaced. And they aren't. You even said they aren't misplaced, you admitted to sheeping the vote and being Scummy!!! No, his concerns are fully valid. And they are being validated through your strange refusal to answer any of them. (Fully valid as in fully valid to anyone that doesn't know why Minga and I are vouching for you, so...large percentage of town.) So, you do or don't have him verified??
mediumsnowman Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Good idea Hannah. We need to get a lynch today. Paul He's been acting really scummy since voting ended yesterday. Hanging around but not posting, failing to respond to key points raised against him, hiding behind Minga, and his weird vote for Seamus yesterday all yell "SCUM!" at me. For some reason Minga and Clem seem to trust him, so he probably won't get lynched today, but he's still the scummiest I have seen yet. Rip Keeps pulling read and runs and Hinckey has raised some legitimate points about him. I believe I analyzed his strange monologue about not protecting Clem yesterday. He's still acting suspicious. Bock By fighting against Clem and Dragonfire's claims he seems to be trying to prevent the formation of a town block. If we want to overcome Blacktron we really need to form a town block. If there's 6-7 town, 4-5 scum, and a Serial Killer, it's a very real possibility we could lose the game tonight. Fighting the town block is a rather scummy move, if you ask me. These are my main suspicions for today. I think I'll withhold my vote for now though, as I'm really not sure which of these three to vote for!
Piratedave84 Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I have an issue handling PRs this has happened before. I tried to lay low and post enough to keep me from appearing as flying under the radar. Today when you started scrutinizing me I panicked and tried to explain and utterly failed at it. I'm wary of you because, and that's very little to go on, because I watched you on day one and no one targeted you. Now this, to me, is the weirdest thing EVER. Why would no one target you, not even a tracker, not a cop, not a blocker; no one! This to me is the biggest red flag and truly leads me to believe you may be scum hence my vote for you. There; you forced my hand, I'm the town watcher.
Hinckley Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I didn't force anything. Your Scummy behavior did it, if anything. You watched me. Nobody targeted me. That makes me Scum. ... What? :wacko: That defies all logic to me. If I was Town, I'd have more people targeting me? I'm so confused. Scum can repel people targeting them? What ... I don't know why you would think that would make me Scum. Doesn't it stand more to reason that since I wasn't targeted, I'm Town and the Scum assumed I'd be protected or watched? Which their fear would be confirmed if you are, in fact, the Watcher, and did, in fact, target me?
mediumsnowman Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Hmmm... Interesting. Very interesting indeed. I would agree with Hinckley here, no one targeting him Night 1 means he is likely town.
Piratedave84 Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 you're who you are and I find it odd that no one from town (besides me) tried to have you as a asset. I also considered that you could be town and genuinely have not been targeted but I find that unlikely. I'm meta gaming like crazy here but that's my logic. My primary goal in targeting you was to try and find scum or another PR but it did not and that makes me wonder. I just think the odds of your being targeted on day one are far better than anybody else here and I think the odds of your being targeted by town are better than scum targeting you; again this is all meta as hell but it's all I've got.
Hinckley Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Hmmm... Interesting. Very interesting indeed. I would agree with Hinckley here, no one targeting him Night 1 means he is likely town. I don't really know that it's saying that. I wouldn't call myself a confirmed Townie by that result, assuming it's real. The watcher is a good role for catching the player that targets the watcher's target. It doesn't necessarily say much either way about the target. If the person targeting them is Scum then you find out why they were targeting them and it could be a Scum protecting Scum or Scum framing a Townie but... either way, I disagree that I'm likely Town from that.
Piratedave84 Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 We cross posted. I was scum not too long ago and it was understood then that we would stay away from you on day one due to the risk of your being watched or protected. This is what my logic is based on.
Ranger of the Forest Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Hannah, you're officially a Paul–apologist. Twice you've soft–defended him today. I take umbrage at that. If you’re calling me anything, you should be calling me an aPAULogist Sorry, couldn’t resist the pun. I wasn’t trying to defend him. I do agree that his behavior both today and yesterday has been very suspicious. But considering that the two people who appear to be trying to form a town block are saying that we shouldn’t lynch him, I don’t we should jump to lynch him. It sounds stupid to say, but the two obviously scummy people we’ve lynched so far have turned up town. There’s no excuse for his strange behavior, I agree, but we cannot risk a mislynch today. I meant my list as more of a way to voice the people I think are the most suspicious as well as being the best candidate for a lynch, which I do not think Paul is at this point. If we’re just talking about weird/strange behavior though, then he and Zipzop are at the top of the list. Oh shoot. Well this is a pretty pickle if ever I saw one. Your logic about the whole situation is still pretty strange, but we can’t afford to doubt your claim if it’s true. I’m sorry you did it. This whole thing is distracting us from actually finding scum, imo. Do you think we should lynch him now, Seamus? Although I will agree that his night one result on you is more likely a sign that you are townie. Unless of course you’re the godfather
Lind Whisperer Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Why would no one target you, not even a tracker, not a cop, not a blocker; no one!...Because everyone was suspecting he was a godfather after Day One's debates? This to me is the biggest red flag and truly leads me to believe you may be scum hence my vote for you. ...Because that proves...what, exactly? That no one targeted him? There; you forced my hand, I'm the town watcher. Oh great, so who's watcher has been revealed. WITH NO REASON FOR IT TO HAVE BEEN REVEALED. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: At a minimum, you could have just said "the watcher watched you and no one targeted you," or something to that effect. Paul, I'm sorry to use such language, but you...are not a very good mafia player.
Hinckley Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I just think the odds of your being targeted on day one are far better than anybody else here and I think the odds of your being targeted by town are better than scum targeting you; again this is all meta as hell but it's all I've got. Most of Day One's discussion revolved around how I draw a lot of attention and would likely be targeted so maybe everyone who could target me thought better of it based off of that discussion. You seem to be in the Town block. Has the investigator said why they chose other targets over me? Maybe someone like Minga or Clem have been acting Scummier and took priority? Maybe I was protected last night. Nobody targeting me doesn't say much. It's certainly nothing definitive, ya daft lolly. We cross posted. I was scum not too long ago and it was understood then that we would stay away from you on day one due to the risk of your being watched or protected. This is what my logic is based on. That's not what your logic says. Your logic is basically proving the point. Scum don't want to touch me on Night One because I'm likely to be watched or protected...and you watched me. And you were the only one to target me. So it's not that NOBODY targeted me...you did. The protector has a game of WIFOM to play as well. Do they protect me or do they assume the Scum will assume they're protected and protect someone else? Why'd you vote for Dr. Wen if you didn't have a reason? By the way, Harriet, you have a little bit of a parrot in ya. *I'm not they're
Piratedave84 Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Most of Day One's discussion revolved around how I draw a lot of attention and would likely be targeted so maybe everyone who could target me thought better of it based off of that discussion. You seem to be in the Town block. Has the investigator said why they chose other targets over me? Maybe someone like Minga or Clem have been acting Scummier and took priority? Maybe I was protected last night. Nobody targeting me doesn't say much. It's certainly nothing definitive, ya daft lolly. That's not what your logic says. Your logic is basically proving the point. Scum don't want to touch me on Night One because I'm likely to be watched or protected...and you watched me. And you were the only one to target me. So it's not that NOBODY targeted me...you did. The protector has a game of WIFOM to play as well. Do they protect me or do they assume the Scum will assume they're protected and protect someone else? Why'd you vote for Dr. Wen if you didn't have a reason? By the way, Harriet, you have a little bit of a parrot in ya. *I'm not they're I wanted a lynch and I had not seen Bock's vote so I thought I would be the hammer vote.
mediumsnowman Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I don't really know that it's saying that. I wouldn't call myself a confirmed Townie by that result, assuming it's real. The watcher is a good role for catching the player that targets the watcher's target. It doesn't necessarily say much either way about the target. If the person targeting them is Scum then you find out why they were targeting them and it could be a Scum protecting Scum or Scum framing a Townie but... either way, I disagree that I'm likely Town from that. I didn't say you were confirmed town, I said you were likely town.
Hinckley Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Paul, how much else can you tell everyone about your other results? Again, don't tell us too much. Can you say that you confirmed some Town claims or anything? Clem and Minga, can you verify that Paul was suspicious of me because of his result. Had he expressed this to you in private?
Dragonfire Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 But if it's a case where he's been investigated as Town, then I would say he's the best candidate, out of all of the ones mentioned, for Godfather. Minga, Clem, Paul if you guys are building a Town block and have cleared five Townies, shouldn't you be leading the best case based on those verifications and results? If you're our Town block, what seems to you guys to be the best lynch for the day? Paul has not been investigated as town. He is the Watcher, as he has just claimed. By "five townies", Minga is including Paul and Clementine... To be honest, 4-of-2, Rip and Bock are all viable lynches. Harriet too for that matter. Paul He's been acting really scummy since voting ended yesterday. Hanging around but not posting, failing to respond to key points raised against him, hiding behind Minga, and his weird vote for Seamus yesterday all yell "SCUM!" at me. For some reason Minga and Clem seem to trust him, so he probably won't get lynched today, but he's still the scummiest I have seen yet. Sheep. I'm wary of you because, and that's very little to go on, because I watched you on day one and no one targeted you. Now this, to me, is the weirdest thing EVER. Why would no one target you, not even a tracker, not a cop, not a blocker; no one! This to me is the biggest red flag and truly leads me to believe you may be scum hence my vote for you. There; you forced my hand, I'm the town watcher. Why on earth did you claim? Minga specifically told you not to And by the way, that is a pretty lame reason to suspect Seamus. Paul, how much else can you tell everyone about your other results? Again, don't tell us too much. Can you say that you confirmed some Town claims or anything? Minga will answer this for him: no, he cannot. Point blank. Enough has been revealed already. Clem and Minga, can you verify that Paul was suspicious of me because of his result. Had he expressed this to you in private? Yes.
Piratedave84 Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Paul, how much else can you tell everyone about your other results? Again, don't tell us too much. Can you say that you confirmed some Town claims or anything? Clem and Minga, can you verify that Paul was suspicious of me because of his result. Had he expressed this to you in private? Last night I visited Clem and someone visited him.
Hinckley Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Well, it appears our Town block is in good hands. And someone is reading this as a guest. Should I check the IP?
Hinckley Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Although I will agree that his night one result on you is more likely a sign that you are townie. Again, I don't think it makes me anything. The result of a watcher and nobody targeting me is completely neutral. It just means I wasn't blocked, killed, protected, framed, tailored, etc. Unless of course you’re the godfather What is it you think a Godfather does? You think his watcher result comes up...negative? Last night I visited Clem and someone visited him. I'm going to guess this person has claimed protector. You know...with a Serial Killer around the Scum are likely to have a protector too. I don't think Clem, Minga or Paul should be lynched today but I want to poke the hell out of your claims to get you guys thinking. It doesn't seem like you guys are fully thinking things through just yet. And maybe communicating a little bit better behind the scenes. None of you seem to be on the same page. Tighten it up.
Hinckley Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 It gets really quiet when Scummy Paul seems to clear himself, doesn't it? All the Clem, Paul, Minga nonsense has calmed down and nobody is voting. I'm not very good at vote analysis. I usually rely on Major Dave, but he's dead. I was speaking with Diamond about how people sheep the vote and that, although I sound like a bloody egomaniac saying this, I'm not voting early so that people can hide behind my vote. As I stated, I plan to vote last. But it feels weird. Waiting for everyone to vote just feels off. That got me thinking about why would someone wait so long to vote if they're not Scum. Yesterday I purposely waited to vote and, feeding my ego and proving my theory, the lynch went the way I voted. If that's my influence, I don't want that responsibility, so I thought about the people who did vote after me yesterday and so let's take a look at all of that. First, here's my list of middle–ground players. Let's be equal opportunity about those flying under the radar. Those posting low on both days (so far) are: Bock Pathos Diamond Dodd Hannah Ford Laura Starbucks Nathan Mallard Paul Harkonnen Rip Sewer Vazquez Rodriguez I've changed two players' names to red. They are the ones who are on the middle–ground list and voted after I did. Let's further pretend that my vote is a significant shift in the lynch: Vote Update: 2 votes for Claw (theLazychicken): CallmePie, Ranger of the Forest 1 vote for Harriet Stomper (Mediumsnowman): Bob 1 vote for Major Dave (Fhomess): Mediumsnowman 1 vote for Laura Starbucks (Tariq j): Dragonfire 1 vote for 4 of 2 (Mostlytechnic): Fhomess 1 vote for Bock Pathos (Bob): Mostlytechnic Nonvoting: theLazychicken, Lind Whisperer, Tariq j, TinyPiesRUs, Piratedate84, Captain Nemo, Hinckley, Lady K, Sir Stig 9 votes required to lynch. Day ends in about 24 hours. Time for me to actually weigh in on things. Let's take a look at Bock. He's currently ranked 14th in total posting. That's barely showing up here! On day one, his 6 posts were: Fluff Fluff Fluff about fluffiness Fluff threat to vote for Doc Wen An actual vote for Doc Wen, with the justification being simply that Doc was "fishy and suspicious" - not exactly a solid case there, nor any effort at all really. And that vote was #4 on Wen, right after the first 3 votes were immediately placed on him. That's a decent place for scum to hide in the voting, especially with how much everyone expected the votes to be nearly unanimous. Today, he's made wow, 2 whole posts. Very short post yelling at Clem for claiming and how that ruined town's chances to hunt scum sort of building a case against Harriet and voting her - complaining that Harriet the new girl was not intense enough in accusations and therefore scummy. Both of those are safe, pretty meaningless posts. Nice places for scum to hide while making non-threatening and non-pinging posts. So I'm going to Vote: Bock Pathos (bob) because you're either scum or really lazy town and therefore not helping us. And as a bonus, if you're gone it'd be nice because you're a pain to search the day threads for because you've hosted a ton of games and so your name is in everyone's sigs over and over and over. So I don't want to ever have to search for your posts again. Yes, 4 of 2 voted before I did but considering the interaction I had via PM, it's interesting that he voted for Bock and then later didn't seem to flinch that he was part of this important tracker code. Not defending Harriet at all, I have no knowledge of her allegiances. My complaint was that your case on her was weak. But you explained yourself well and logically, so I'll Unvote: Bock (bob) I'm still not sure on this line building on Claw. I'll go re-read it's posts and see before I make a final decision on joining in or not. After I vote, Bock explains himself well so 4 of 2 vaguely comments on Claw and waits to see if that bandwagon will roll goes back to read Claw's posts...for like 6 hours. Yesh there's a lot of votes across the board. Not that affects my vote on Claw, here which follows: The Claw has been very wishy-washy in my opinion today--specifically starting with the poorly disguised claim that Minga was responsible for the death of Ender, because she feared his day one statements about her (or something). It's really not a clear suspicion anyways, and the Claw itself admits this later in the day--by claiming it was never actually suspicious and that it suddenly just trusts Minga; or that the whole thing never happened or something--everything is all over the place with these green guys. And then Claw just passed it off as a 'side suspicion'. I'm still looking for the reasoning in the actual change in heart on Minga; other than 'it just changed' basically. I doubt I'll get an answer on that. The suspicion was built on nothing other than paranoia mixed with the failed perception of helpfulness; and I'm sure the answer would be just as useless. There's also the stuff with Claw's continual prodding of Seamus; which he completely admits was entirely based off meta gaming: And even then, the Claw is wishy washy. Looking at it now, that's almost as ridiculous a statement as noting that one 'shouldn't claim to confirmed scum'. Genius! Vote: Claw (theLazychicken) I could call this a sheep vote but let's be honest, Laura Starbucks had the sheepiest and she's Town. Still, Laura is somewhat of a n00b and Rip is not yet here's a solid case...after I vote. Oooh, look, Seamus is defending a scumbuddy and explaining for them < / sarcasm> Or is that just an argument used against me? While we're all looking at 4 of 2, this post keeps poking around in my brain. Yes, it's sarcastic, but I was not defending...I don't even remember who it was. Hyper–sensitive Scum Perspective possibility. Minga has already expressed her suspicions of the Claw, across this game day and in her vote analysis, and in the interest of getting a lynch today she will: Unvote: Laura Starbucks (Tariq j) and Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken) Laura, I'm still watching you Minga is not in the list but does change her vote to get a lynch and had previously expressed concerns about the Claw. Vote: for Laura Starbucks (Tariq j) For reasons I and Hinckley have already stated. Clementine with correct grammar. And there are posts that backup her suspicion of Laura. Clawra Megablocks! If you squint real weird, man, Claw and Laura combine into a hazy green monster. I can get behind a lynch of either. Unvote: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic) Vote: Claw (LazyChicken) Harriet, is there something more behind your suspicions of me other than a relative lack of posts to this point? Major Dave was a Townie, but in this case voted before I did anyway and switched to a good case to try to get a lynch. Now, the moment you all (or at least Seamus) have been waiting for... my analysis of Claw. Claw spoke 13 times on day 1. They were: Fluff Fluff Fluff A gentle accusation of both Wen and Clem - funny how they became the focus of the day.... almost like Claw was part of a team pushing for them..... Fluff (x4) A vote for Clem, on the basis that Clem's lynch would provide more info than a lynch of a flailing noob. Some explanations to clem about various things. More fluff More fluff A strangely out of place defense of Vasquez to Clem On day 2, Claw has said: Speculation on Minga/Ender, almost like it was expecting discussion of them to take over day 2 the way Wen/Clem did day 1 A massive repeat of all Ender's posts, without really analyzing anything Criticizing Clem for her claim fluff Criticizing Clem again fluff vote analysis fluff fluff Talking about its gut fluff More gut talk fluff a bit of defense of itself, now that votes are building And then 6 more fluff posts rather than any defense or useful talk. Now, I'm not against some fluff. I'm not saying that every single post has to be in-depth research into other players' motivations. But Claw has managed to post a fair bit - actually the 3rd most prolific poster, after Seamus and Clementine - without saying much of anything at all. The only accusations have been of a proven townie and someone strongly suspected of being town. I will grant that I'm looking at Claw right now with particularly hostile eyes, since Claw has many votes and is a likely lynch. Claw's posts have been fluffy and information-less. Its suspicions of Wen/Clem and Minga could be legitimate townie scumhunting, but they also are never followed up on or given any real effort. While there is not a mountain of damning evidence, there's also not anything making me want to deliberately vote elsewhere like I did yesterday. Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken) 4 of 2 after many grueling hours of reasing Claw's posts, after being nudged, gives us an in–depth case on the Claw. Unvote: Harriet Stomper (mediumsnowman) We do need to have a lynch today, therefore I'll: Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken) I'm still watching Harriet quite closely though. I'm only unvoting her to secure a lynch today. Bock hates n00bs but wanted a lynch yesterday. The make up artist also contacted me. I have to place my vote. I have a problem with deciding if one or both of them are scum, but both plausible townies, and good as a town block base if confirmed. I am unsure of strategy here, so I will vote for someone I think is scum. I don't have time to write the full reasoning right now (but I will do it if asked), based on many posts it wrote throughout. Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken). In a mercifully short post, ZipZop votes for Claw. I apologize for my relative inaction today RL is kicking my megablocks. I'm going to vote: Seamus(Hinck) Because there is no way he should have defended Clem like he did ... Unless he knew his affiliation ... Which he almost certainly doesn't ... Or does because he is scum. Because nobody targeted me. This is pinging me real bad. I don't remember Hinck ever overzealously defending Clem... You seem to just be voting for him out of the blue and there is almost no chance of Seamus actually getting lynched. Seems very fishy to me. In fact, fishy enough that I'll Unvote: Major Dave (fhomess) and Vote: Paul Harkonnenn (Piratedave84) Harriet is the only one who seemed to think Paul was as Scummy as I found him to be yesterday. And he's been doing a bit of parroting of my posts. Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken) Ok, so I have had a few too many and my interstellar communication device is really not cooperating now so here is my vote. Today I agree with what has been said and don't have anything new to add. She was Town, drunk but Town. Oops, I hadn't realised how little time we had left in the day. I'm going to Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken), for reasons I brought up earlier. So Nathan thought we had 24 hours left. Why was he hovering and watching the vote and when would be a good time for him to vote if there was that much time left? There, I've proven I'm not great at vote analysis. Sometimes I'm just pointing out the votes. I didn't want to leave any out though so people can go back and look at them. That's the analysis I came up with while thinking about my ego–trip. Altogether, looking into yesterday's voting behavior, I would say my analysis implicates 4 of 2, Rip and Nathan. *Oh, and Paul's name is in blue because although he fits the criteria of my analysis he claims to be the Watcher, so let's no consider all his Scumminess for now. Listen to his words, not his Actions. Honestly, though, I don't remember a time when Scum have ever had a Watcher. Deja vu. Didn't I say that to 4 of 2 for some reason earlier? I have to go back and look. So, Paul being a watcher would indicate Town and I would hope someone would be contacting someone with a counterclaim for any of these roles that seem to be starting our Town block, by now. And checking out MafiaScum: Mafia Watchers have been known to exist and have much less stigma attached to them. They can be used to find protective roles (by targetting likely Doctor targets), or to give foreknowledge of possible investigations (by watching a Mafia partner). In a setup with multiple killers, a Mafia Watcher may be able to identify opposing killers. They are fairly solid power roles in scum hands. So, that makes me reconsider my stance on Watchers only being a Town role...and it should make everyone else reconsider too. Watching me on Night One to try and find the investigator or protector would be a likely Scum move. Then to save your megablocks, you could claim Watcher and pretend to think that nobody targeting a person implicates them as Scum. Paul did say it was the biggest red flag, ever! What did 4 of 2 say about a Scum Watcher earlier? Now I have to go find it. I too have been trying to poke holes in Clementine's claim, since I have superior cyborg logic. IF she were scum and making a ploy here, then... 1. One purpose would have to be to get townies to claim to her. That's easily avoided, as long as our power roles don't claim. - Obviously though, that slows the building of the town block. So, the scum gain either way if she is scum. Either they get claims and have targets to kill or the town block is delayed. One counter to this - anyone planning to claim to Clem, TELL SOMEONE ELSE YOU'RE DOING IT. Preferably tell a couple others. That way, if you turn up dead, someone can point the finger at her. For this to work though, we pretty much need a few vanillas to claim to her (and tell others in PM) so that our PRs aren't outed by accidentally telling a scum they're claiming to her (that last part is assuming she's town obviously) 2. Another possible purpose, especially with her blatant asking for protection - assuming the scum have a watcher, they can now watch her to find the town's doctor tonight. Of course, this is true whether she is town or scum. - Our doc has a big question tonight - do they protect Clem, risking their own outing to the scum, or stay away and risk the scum killing her... IF she's town and telling the truth though, then the doc and clem would survive tonight, tomorrow the scum kill the doc, and clem then becomes the doc. 3. If Clem is scum, how long can she hope to pull this off? She could be the godfather and therefore survive an investigation. Or the scum could have a tailor and be able to make her appear town. But at the very least, once a PR has claimed to someone else and then dies, she'll be outed if she can't replicate that role. Realistically though, she could survive pretty long before being caught. It's a pretty safe claim for a scummo to make. Overall, after calculating the statistics and outcomes, I'm leaning truth on Clem. I just don't see the upside being worth it for the scum to make such a bold claim. However, I'm not confident in that enough (because I don't trust the scum to work with the same level of logic as I, since they're inferior beings [like the rest of you]) to make any claim to her (vanilla or PR, doesn't matter here). I'd recommend others not claim as well. The normal way to build a town block is for the investigator to clear a couple people and start talking to them. It works well and is the safest, most logical way to proceed. Bold added for emphasis and Paul does say he watched Clem. Eerily similar to what 4 of 2 freaking postulated!!!!!!! She's a suspect to the scum in the sense that they never know when she'd take on a new ability instead of being vanilla. Not that it really matters to them - they'll just kill her whenever they get a chance. Oh, and above you can see him answering a question I asked Rip about the Scum having "suspects". Harriet, on Day One says this: I've been reading, and I've got my suspicions. I think I'll keep me close to the chest for now though. Hey, first game, just don't know who to trust... I'm afraid if I'm on track I could end up a target for the scum killer... Ya know, classic "He knows too much!" type deal. But, on Day Two says this: Rip pinged me a little bit yesterday as well due to a his only posts being a little bit of fluff. Yesterday my gut suspected mostlytechnic, but nothing has come of it. I've got no evidence, so I was hesitant to post it. I'm about to go to bed, and I'll elaborate a little more in the morning. Afraid of the Scum taking you out because you know too much is way different than not having enough evidence. If I was a betting man, I'd make the Scum team this: Paul, 4 of 2, Rip Sewer, Harriet. You all decide what to do with that. Look, Paul's here. Addendum: Bock Pathos Diamond Dodd Hannah Ford Laura Starbucks Nathan Mallard Paul Harkonnen Rip Sewer Vazquez Rodriguez tl;dr 4 of 2 postulates that the Scum watcher (which I've never encountered on EB) will target Clem to catch the Town protector. Scummy Scummy Paul claims Watcher and says he targeted Clem and found one person targeting her. Um... Paul exeunt s.r. Sorry that I typed my thought process as it went. I know that's a lot to read.
mediumsnowman Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I was worried about being taken out by the scum team, and my gut suspicion of MT didn't have much evidence. I could have built a decent case on Rip (Which I think I did, earlier) but was afraid of being killed. As I said, my noobishness really showed in my post about being afraid of getting killed, but I think I have gotten past that. Just to clarify: I didn't want to post my list of suspicions Day 1. My suspicion of MT had no evidence. At this point it would really hurt to lynch a townie like me, especially for something like my sheer noob behavior the last 2 days. Looking back over it, I suppose my arguements have been similar to yours, though as I've said you' be brought up some good points about Bock, Rip, Zip Zop, and Paul. I think right now I'll Vote: Rip Sewer (Captain Nemo) for his suspicious behavior and some good points Seamus brought up about him. You can't accuse me of "sheeping" or "jumping on the bandwagon". I've been suspicious of Nemo since early yesterday when Clem claimed. I'd be voting for Paul, but Minga and Dragonfire seem to trust him and he's claimed town watcher. While right now it would be bad to lynch a townie, it would be even worse to lynch a town PR.
Lind Whisperer Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 tl;dr 4 of 2 postulates that the Scum watcher (which I've never encountered on EB) will target Clem to catch the Town protector. Scummy Scummy Paul claims Watcher and says he targeted Clem and found one person targeting her. Um... I believe that Paul is a watcher...but if he's a Scum Watcher, that'd make sense...And that's some surprisingly specific phrasing on 4 of 2's part...
CMP Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 tl;dr 4 of 2 postulates that the Scum watcher (which I've never encountered on EB) will target Clem to catch the Town protector. Scummy Scummy Paul claims Watcher and says he targeted Clem and found one person targeting her. Um... But you think they're both scum?
Dannylonglegs Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Vote Update: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 1 vote (TinyPiesRUs) Bock Pathos (Bob): 1 vote (RangeroftheForest) 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (mediumsnowman) With 12 players, a majority of 7 is required to lynch. You have about 28 hours till the day ends. Make it count. I take umbrage at that. If you’re calling me anything, you should be calling me an aPAULogist Sorry, couldn’t resist the pun. 10 points to the Hogwarts House of your choice. And immunity to malicious pranks. Edited September 14, 2015 by Dannylonglegs
Hinckley Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 But you think they're both scum? Of course I do! That's exactly what that implicates. When have you ever heard of a Scum watcher? Have you? I haven't. But 4 of 2 makes it part of his impossible backup gambit analysis and then postulates that said Scum watcher will do exactly what Paul did and then look at Paul's posts and reactions. Yes, I think they're both Scum. I can't put it any more plainly. I think it's the most solid suspicion I've had the whole game.
Hinckley Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Oh good, 4 of 2 is here. I'm going to predict his response. Ahem... "Do you think I'd be stupid enough to broadcast our plan?" Yes, it's called a slip–up... 4 of 2 and Paul, you're both here and you've been called out so feel free to respond whenever.
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