Blacktron Mafia: Day 3, Spaceship Soldiers

[Hinckley]

That's not what I said. It's what you're not saying, or rather, the question you're avoiding.

You said that it would be possible to 'verify me through actions'. I pointed out that that isn't possible - vig kills look like all others, an attempted conversion would look like a doctoring/investigating to a Tracker/Watcher. Suggesting that I could be verified that way, is bad logic. And you are too good of a player to not realize that, which makes your suggesting it look highly scummy.

No, it isn't. I've already explained it to you. I've been a tracker. I've been a part of a Town block, I know how to verify people. I don't realize it's not bad logic, because it isn't. You trying to say that your claim is unverifiable is Scummy. So, we're not supposed to try to verify you?

What question am I supposedly not answering?

And let's wrap this up. If all three of us are Town, we're spamming up the thread. And we keep focusing on you, Clementine. Every day there's more and more about Clementine. Pages of you. Here's the tl;dr of it all: Clem and Minga have made claims. They could be lying. We have no reason to currently trust them or claim to them. Some might! But on average, be cautious.

And Rip Sewer stopped by but didn't feel like posting. Probably tired, typing slow or can't believe how crazy it got since he last stopped in.

[Lind Whisperer]

No, it isn't. I've already explained it to you. I've been a tracker. I've been a part of a Town block, I know how to verify people. I don't realize it's not bad logic, because it isn't. You trying to say that your claim is unverifiable is Scummy. So, we're not supposed to try to verify you?

What question am I supposedly not answering?

I'm not sure...Something's off.

But, yes, for the moment, let's move on...

[Dragonfire]

And let's wrap this up. If all three of us are Town, we're spamming up the thread.

If you're town, then yes, this day has up until now been dominated by town v. town arguing. Let's focus on some scum instead.

And Rip Sewer stopped by but didn't feel like posting.

Bock was reading the thread too, a while back, but he didn't post either

[Hinckley]

Bock is in that middle ground along with Nathan and Rip.

[Dragonfire]

Bock is in that middle ground along with Nathan and Rip.

Yeah. With people who don't post much, it's pretty hard to read them.

[Hinckley]

Add Paul to the list of "read and run".

And Zipzop

[Bob]

The problem with Minga claiming that she's verified town by the investigator is that it's impossible to confirm it right now. I'm assuming the investigator investigated someone last night, why aren't they posting in here to confirm it as well? I don't know, maybe I'm just being paranoid thinking this . It's doubly suspicious that you've said you want everyone else to claim to you when your claim is so unverified. It doesn't matter if you're "trying to set up a town block" if you're scum and telling all of the power roles to PM you immediately sounded extremely suspect. Maybe Minga really is the investigators envoy though. It's just too suspicious for me. Like I said, I might be being overtly paranoid here. I'm known to do that in these games, and that's why it usually goes bad for me

I'm still suspicious of Rip Sewer as I stated earlier. He went after Wen way too hard, especially since Wen ended up being town. Like Seamus said, he might be taking a lesson out of the Scumbacarrot book. For now it's a bit of a tie between him and Paul for me.

What even is a tailor and what does it do? As far as Minga knows, there's never been one in a Mafia game so far (except for Unrest, and in that game Bob never used his tailor ability).

I did use the tailor role in Unrest in the Forest I believe, nobody investigated the person though. At least I think I did. My memory is shit. I can't even remember what I did last week.

[Lind Whisperer]

The problem with Minga claiming that she's verified town by the investigator is that it's impossible to confirm it right now. I'm assuming the investigator investigated someone last night, why aren't they posting in here to confirm it as well?

The other investigations could have been scum, and the investigator hasn't shared that with Minga, or they could have been killed.

[MagPiesRUs]

Why is Clementine green?

Oops, that was a mistake. I must have confused her with Dr. Wen, since I'd omitted all the votes for Wen from my post.

[mostlytechnic]

Frankly, all this fighting has put Seamus, Clem, and Minga as all slightly town-leaning in my book. See my rules of mafia - fights are almost always between townies. Scum avoid them. So, a slight town-read.

Something was pinging me earlier this morning about the vote records, but I've lost it. I'll have to go look again and come up with what it was.

[Dragonfire]

Add Paul to the list of "read and run".

And Zipzop

Both have a lot to answer to. Interesting....

The problem with Minga claiming that she's verified town by the investigator is that it's impossible to confirm it right now. I'm assuming the investigator investigated someone last night, why aren't they posting in here to confirm it as well?

It's pointless. The person who was cleared last night only received the message from Minga and is not in contact with the investigator. Having them post just makes them a target for the scum; besides, they could just be a scum buddy of Minga's posting for convenience.

I don't know, maybe I'm just being paranoid thinking this . It's doubly suspicious that you've said you want everyone else to claim to you when your claim is so unverified. It doesn't matter if you're "trying to set up a town block" if you're scum and telling all of the power roles to PM you immediately sounded extremely suspect.

Minga posted because the investigator freakin' told Minga to reveal that she was investigated in-thread and ask for claims.

The other investigations could have been scum, and the investigator hasn't shared that with Minga, or they could have been killed.

Minga has already said this, but for your benefit she'll say it again: the person who was investigated last night came up town and is still alive.

[Hinckley]

Paul just pulled another read & run.

[mediumsnowman]

I would agree with lynching Paul today. His posts near the end of the day yesterday and his seemingly random vote for Seamus all pinged me in a big way. It doesn't help his case any that he can't be bothered to post some sort of defense even though he's been reading the thread.

[Hinckley]

Now that I can focus on something besides Clementine I think I should put it on public record that "the code" (the other half that ZipZop split the id of the tracker with) suggested connecting the code to start a Town block. I said no and he apparently concurs. But it was Scummy to suggest it to start...

[Piratedave84]

I'm here, I'm here. I came by twice today to send potato messages but otherwise was incapable of posting due to ... Pressing apples to make cider

Now; i realize that my behaviour of yesterday was not-so-townish but I had little time to gather my thoughts so it all came up scrambled and was quite scummy.

I was somewhat suspicious of Clem's claim as it was/ is an unusual claim and seemed like an easy claim for scum to make. I now know my suspicions to have been misplaced.

I also made some comments about Minga's analysis which were probably not the best thought out.

Now this being said, I don't want to be lynched and I have contacted Clem and Minga's to clear the air and I think we're in good standing now.

[Sir Stig]

I'm getting fairly townie vibes off of Zipzop, Minga and Clem. Of the four, 4 of 2 strikes me as most likely to be scum. I'm still not sure what to make of his idea for PRs and vanillas to claim to Clem. I know he has since clarified that he didn't want anyone to claim to her, but why bring up this suggestion in the first place? It seems strange how much thought he put into this idea, even though he didn't agree with it in the first place.

Who is suggesting claiming to Clem? Minga claims wardrobe designer and ask people to claim to her.

Claim to Minga? Naaah.... Msr Wardrobe Designer, claiming a role that is clearly noted :Host note: "Self-assigned comical "night-actions" have been ruled as not actions at all in any practical sense.

Not a role. It's a night action. No role is mentioned. Trying you can use that role to verify yourself? What are you talking about?!

I am still cathing up, I write as I read, seeing as I forget a lot I react to along the way.

It will be a mess of impressions from now on.

Paul seems like scum. Like scum waving a flag and signaling with a flashlight: Look ever here! Read on, I have skimmed at leat one page forward and have noticed a few things about the spots where the light never shines (You all know where that is)..

I sent out a code at the end of day 2 to identify the tracker claimer and X (formerly known as the make up artist). I survived, so now is the time to bring up the subject.

The code plan obviously failed, since one of the persons getting a part of the main code died (Vasquez). I got a response from Seamus about the code saying Bock and 4 of 2 also recieved the code, but he did not mention the others that were informed of their parts. So Seamus, Bock and 4 of 2 are involved with eachother one way or the other.

Now that I can focus on something besides Clementine I think I should put it on public record that "the code" (the other half that ZipZop split the id of the tracker with) suggested connecting the code to start a Town block. I said no and he apparently concurs. But it was Scummy to suggest it to start...

This quote was inserted when I finally catched up at post #89. The ones having the code was intended to start the town block. The code was intended to dig deeper into someone that I acted in a way that was very scummy. Not that it would mean they were scum, but if they were not, they would be a good start of a town block. So they needed to be cleared. Unfortunately one of them were killed by scum, an overeager vig or a SK with bad antennas. The code should find out who the two persons I had PM'd with was, for further investigations and/or lynching. Now one of them has gone of to the great grassland with endless carrot fields, and the other one is Clementine. X is Clementine. Which brings me to those concerns. We were probably contacted by two different people both claiming to have a read on Clementine. I don't know what the claim about him from the other person was, but the tracker said he stayed home the first night. Although this does not clear him, and there is still a lot that bugs me, he is the only one that has a report that is at least not contradicting his claimed role (night 1 result). I had him at SK for quite a while, but the way he played if he was not protected or had a redirector(?) it was a dangerous move. But remember his option was most likely be to get lynched. I still think it is a better bet than claiming to Minga. I hope not to many have claimed to her.

quoting CallMePie: Well I'm glad to see Clementine's whining about needing protecion for herself. with sarcasmsmiley. (I don't know how to get the quote in quote in my quote)

Apparently it actually DID pay off since no killers tried to kill her, probably assuming she'd BE protected.

Good assumption. Are you just bragging?

In regards to Minga's claim--is there even a second person breathing? That person very likely could be one of the seven dead peoples. Which would clearly make it harder for us to believe her, just from her singular statements.

This is hard to counter. because the probability of someone have been clared by someone that are not dead by now or vice versa is small. I do believe of the following reason that Minga may be the right person to claim to. (2nd or third viewing of page 2 post 28.

Maybe we can be so bold as to ask the Serial Killer to stay home tonight. And hopefully the vig will take a night off unless there's a really solid target to give us the time to catch up.

Why? Both are dependent on taking down scum. Their aim have been off target but I am narrowing down the list and will try to get somewhere before the day ends.

Do you think Clem would claim Universal-Backup as scum? It's too obscure a role and too ballsy a claim (it would take a lot of good lying to keep up the pretext). Anyway, Minga is pretty sure Clem is town.

Yes, it is ballsy, but so far it has worked, despite all odds. I Notice that Minga and Clemente is playing a tight game. (reached post 60#)

Basically nonsense from here out, but I did notice that the quarrel between Minga, Seamus and Clementine ended quite abruptly with Minga and Seamus crediting eachother as town because they were the ones arguing, and Clem following suit. I don't think all of these are town.

Both have a lot to answer to. Interesting....

Because I've been of and on? I've been trying to read up any time I had available, but I must admit I have also been checking the town forum. Is there anything else that is unclear that I have not answered through the comments above?

[mediumsnowman]

I'm here, I'm here. I came by twice today to send potato messages but otherwise was incapable of posting due to ... Pressing apples to make cider

Huh?

Now; i realize that my behaviour of yesterday was not-so-townish but I had little time to gather my thoughts so it all came up scrambled and was quite scummy.

Not-so-townish? It was downright scummy!

I was somewhat suspicious of Clem's claim as it was/ is an unusual claim and seemed like an easy claim for scum to make. I now know my suspicions to have been misplaced.

How do you know that? Clem hasn't been verified yet.

I also made some comments about Minga's analysis which were probably not the best thought out.

Also true. Still pinging

Now this being said, I don't want to be lynched and I have contacted Clem and Minga's to clear the air and I think we're in good standing now.

Who wants to get lynched? Until I hear it from them, I wouldn't say you are in good standing with anybody after your scumminess yesterday.

If anything, your post hasn't changed anything for me, it's pinging me more. Stating the obvious conclusions that everyone has already arrived at and failing to respond more than a sentence or two in your defense is strange, to say the least. When voting opens I know where I'm putting it.

[Hinckley]

I'm here, I'm here. I came by twice today to send potato messages but otherwise was incapable of posting due to ... Pressing apples to make cider

Now; i realize that my behaviour of yesterday was not-so-townish but I had little time to gather my thoughts so it all came up scrambled and was quite scummy.

I was somewhat suspicious of Clem's claim as it was/ is an unusual claim and seemed like an easy claim for scum to make. I now know my suspicions to have been misplaced.

I also made some comments about Minga's analysis which were probably not the best thought out.

Now this being said, I don't want to be lynched and I have contacted Clem and Minga's to clear the air and I think we're in good standing now.

Eh?

[Bob]

It's pointless. The person who was cleared last night only received the message from Minga and is not in contact with the investigator. Having them post just makes them a target for the scum; besides, they could just be a scum buddy of Minga's posting for convenience.

Minga posted because the investigator freakin' told Minga to reveal that she was investigated in-thread and ask for claims.

Why would a "confirmed townie" be a target for the scum? The scum already know who all the town are, they're the people not on their team. Killing this so-called confirmed townie would be no different to killing any other member of the town... Also, I still think it's scummy that you basically told all of the power roles to message you so you could form a town block. Then you're just saying that this investigator told you to go out into the thread and ask for claims? Does this investigator not know what a godfather is? Or a tailor?

I'm going to go for a theory that might seem outlandish, since that's what I specialize in, and might be totally wrong, because that's something else I specialize in. It's possible that the investigator is dead. Clem and Minga are both scum and since they know who the scum are, they were able to PM a townie today to say the investigator confirmed him. It's possible they tracked the investigator night one, killed him last night and Minga is now pretending there's an investigator out there to lure other PRs to her. Clem's claim of universal backup was viewed with suspicion yesterday, and if I'm honest, it's still suspicious to me. I viewed Clem's claim with suspicion yesterday, but still treated it as a legitimate claim when it happened. Here's some things that bother me a bit, all the way back to Clem's first hints of being the backup:

I'd rather not go into how I know for a bit longer, but we didn't kill the vig last night. He's still alive. Who he is, I have no idea. But he's alive.

What do you mean "we didn't kill the vig?" It's a safe bet that Dr. Wen wasn't the vig, since he hopefully would've known to claim after what happened in the last game. There were two kills on Night One, as we said, someone could have been blocked, protected, or the vig could have stayed home. Or the vig could have targeted the same person as one of the other killers. It's happened before. So, you say "we didn't kill the vig." By "we", it looks as though you're presumably indicating the town, but why would the vig (the town killer) want to kill himself? The only other people that could have killed the vig are the scum and the third killer from last night, who we can all assume is a serial killer. Analyzing the rest of it, she says "last night." As I pointed out, the vig wouldn't kill himself, and the only two other killers are the scum killer and the serial killer, so only hostile parties could have killed the vig Night One. Maybe I'm just overtly scrutinizing, but this is bothering me and I'll admit I missed it the first time I read through her early posts.

I (and the vig, to some extent, now) are the only people that know I'm not scum.

Uh, no? Why would the vig assume you're not scum? For all they know, you could just be lying about the role. The only thing they'd know is that they're still alive. It's really the perfect claim, quite frankly, because it wouldn't make sense for the vigilante to come out and announce "yes, I'm alive! She's totally not scum!" This sounds an awful lot like you're claiming to be the vig backup, which is what people initially thought, until you clarified that you're the "universal backup". But if that were the case, wouldn't all the town PR's "know that you're not scum?" That goes back to what I previously said. Why would they know this? Because they're still alive? Additionally, it wouldn't even matter if one of them died and you claimed that none of the PR's died because they wouldn't be able to counterclaim. Because they'd be dead.

For obvious reasons, I'm going to leave it ambiguous as to whether I I became Thanos a PR last night, or if I'm still just a boring back-up, but I can assure you that yes, our Investigator is still among us, alive and well.

How do you know this? You said earlier that it's first come first serve and you can't pick which PR you inherit. It's a bit outlandish to think that seven vanilla townies have died and not a single town PR has, isn't it? You're not going to say if you became a power role last night. Okay, I get it. That's all well and fine, but I don't know how that would make you any more or less of a target. You're still a threat to the scum as a "backup" because even if they kill a PR, you'll get that role. It wouldn't make you any more or less of a target.

The other investigations could have been scum, and the investigator hasn't shared that with Minga, or they could have been killed.

If the investigator found a scum, why wouldn't the investigator immediately tell Minga so we can get a lynch today? Then if Minga refuses to reveal this in public, then it's obvious that Minga is scum as well.

As I said, it's entirely possible that the investigator is dead and Clem and Minga are both scum. Clem can say in thread that the investigator is still alive, which is something that I think is hard to verify unless all seven dead are vanilla, and then Minga can use this to announce that she's been confirmed town by the "investigator", who is dead and therefore can't counterclaim this. Additionally, Clem isn't going to tell us what role she received or even if she inherited a role. She's not going to, and she knows that nobody will ask because they'd look extremely scummy. With Minga and Clem both in this new town block that they're presumably forming and Minga asking people to claim to her, they'll know who has which roles. If the investigator is dead and has been dead, what's stopping Clem from adopting that role? It'd be really easy for her to do so, considering she knows the allegiances of every player, except for the serial killer.

Minga insists that revealing this other confirmed townie will make them a target and that she wants to "keep the scum guessing" (which is total BS as I said since the scum know who the freaking town are and therefore don't need to guess who is a confirmed townie), I think this second confirmed member of the town should reveal themselves. However, the second part of Minga's post has equally bothered me. I'll post it again:

besides, they could just be a scum buddy of Minga's posting for convenience.

Does nobody else find this suspect? Yes, that's a complete and total possibility and it's one that they're likely trying to avoid to prevent three scum being outed if the whole thing blows up in their face as compared to only two.

Common mistake, it's "led".

Obviously I meant this:

[Hinckley]

I sent out a code at the end of day 2 to identify the tracker claimer and X (formerly known as the make up artist). I survived, so now is the time to bring up the subject.

The code plan obviously failed, since one of the persons getting a part of the main code died (Vasquez). I got a response from Seamus about the code saying Bock and 4 of 2 also recieved the code, but he did not mention the others that were informed of their parts. So Seamus, Bock and 4 of 2 are involved with eachother one way or the other.

This quote was inserted when I finally catched up at post #89. The ones having the code was intended to start the town block. The code was intended to dig deeper into someone that I acted in a way that was very scummy. Not that it would mean they were scum, but if they were not, they would be a good start of a town block. So they needed to be cleared. Unfortunately one of them were killed by scum, an overeager vig or a SK with bad antennas. The code should find out who the two persons I had PM'd with was, for further investigations and/or lynching. Now one of them has gone of to the great grassland with endless carrot fields, and the other one is Clementine. X is Clementine. Which brings me to those concerns. We were probably contacted by two different people both claiming to have a read on Clementine. I don't know what the claim about him from the other person was, but the tracker said he stayed home the first night. Although this does not clear him, and there is still a lot that bugs me, he is the only one that has a report that is at least not contradicting his claimed role (night 1 result). I had him at SK for quite a while, but the way he played if he was not protected or had a redirector(?) it was a dangerous move. But remember his option was most likely be to get lynched. I still think it is a better bet than claiming to Minga. I hope not to many have claimed

I hate responding to your posts on my phone.

4 of 2, you PMed me saying you and Bock had the other parts of the code. Zipzop says that's not true.

Zipzop, I told you 4 of 2 contacted me saying he and Bock had the other parts of the code. And you read that message twice. If 4 of 2 is lying why wouldn't you try to string him along in private to see if you could get anything out of him? Why reveal that publicly?

So, it appears 4 of 2 is a liar and Zipzop's behavior is just strange but Paul still has the gold medal for Scumminess. He basically just confessed. Jester maybe?? Not great Scum play otherwise.

[Piratedave84]

I hate responding to your posts on my phone.

4 of 2, you PMed me saying you and Bock had the other parts of the code. Zipzop says that's not true.

Zipzop, I told you 4 of 2 contacted me saying he and Bock had the other parts of the code. And you read that message twice. If 4 of 2 is lying why wouldn't you try to string him along in private to see if you could get anything out of him? Why reveal that publicly?

So, it appears 4 of 2 is a liar and Zipzop's behavior is just strange but Paul still has the gold medal for Scumminess. He basically just confessed. Jester maybe?? Not great Scum play otherwise.

Confessed what exactly?

[Sir Stig]

I hate responding to your posts on my phone.

4 of 2, you PMed me saying you and Bock had the other parts of the code. Zipzop says that's not true.

Zipzop, I told you 4 of 2 contacted me saying he and Bock had the other parts of the code. And you read that message twice. If 4 of 2 is lying why wouldn't you try to string him along in private to see if you could get anything out of him? Why reveal that publicly?

So, it appears 4 of 2 is a liar and Zipzop's behavior is just strange but Paul still has the gold medal for Scumminess. He basically just confessed. Jester maybe?? Not great Scum play otherwise.

I got a response from Seamus about the code saying Bock and 4 of 2 also recieved the code, but he did not mention the others that were informed of their parts. So Seamus, Bock and 4 of 2 are involved with eachother one way or the other.

Where did I say that the 4 of 2 did not get a part of the code? I asked you for advice on how to go about creating a code and you suggested giving one person one part of the code, and another one the other. How would that make sure it was being looked into when no one was confirmed or likely town? You, 4 of 2 and Bock are obviously close friends....

I thought maybe Bock was the most likely to be town, but this makes me wonder. Especially since all the dead so far are town.

[Hinckley]

You seemed to be suspicious of Bock yesterday. I have to wait until I'm home at my computer. What you're saying isn't making sense to me. You followed my advice and gave me part of a code. 4 of 2 wrote me and said he and Bock were given parts to. I reported that to you and you said it was odd. I have not talked with Bock via PM at all.

[Hinckley]

I'm going to post all the PMs paraphrased when I get to a computer. Here's what I'm confused about.

The code was my idea.

ZipZop gave me part of the code.

4 of 2 wrote me to say he had another part of the code and so did Bock.

I thought this was weird so I told ZipZop.

Today, ZipZop is saying that Vazquez had the third part and is implying that I'm "involved with" Bock and 4 of 2 which makes no sense. The only connection I have to Bock and 4 of 2 is 4 of 2 PMing me that ZipZop PMed them parts of this code.

Now Bock has PMed me asking questions he could be asking here.

What is going on???

[Sir Stig]

I listened to your advice Seamus, and appreciated it, but it had flaws. So I created my own version. It was brilliant at the time, but it did not work since Vasquez, who were also given a part of the code got killed. It did however work in a way that indicates that you and 4 of 2 are working together. Well, at least someone are.

The code does not matter anymore since I am alive and I've said who X is, and why he is the only reasonably verified person. I have been suspicious to everyone, much like you and everyone else.