Blacktron Mafia: Day 3, Spaceship Soldiers

[CMP]

And do you feel sure enough to tell everyone to go claim to Minga?

Clementine would know if the real investigator is dead or not, yes? I'm not saying we all need to go and claim to her but I'm not willing to shun our investigator because his contact said something stupid.

[Hinckley]

No, you're not over-reacting, you're gently nudging the bandwagon along. What happened was that Minga made a n00b mistake, and I'm fairly certain you, in the role of the 'calm, wise, benevolent town leader,' are going to lead everyone into lynching her for it.

Bandwagon? There's no voting yet. Minga is not a n00b. And as of right now, I'm voting for Paul when voting opens. And I'm not the Town leader. Anyone following me is on auto–pilot. I haven't asked anyone to follow my lead. I didn't vote until late yesterday because I know I have the effect of people following my vote and it does appear things didn't get going until I voted. You know what? If people want to usher me out in front as leader, I'm not voting until all 11 other votes have been cast today. Think for yourselves, people. I'm not your megablocking leader. It's a team game, work.

Take the time to actually read posts, before you try and get a lynch mob going.

Hey, megablocks. Someone stole my pants both nights. You take the time to actually read.

...Verify it how, exactly? There's no difference between a vig kill, scum kill, and a serial kill.

There is a difference between a kill and...a non–killing action. Why would you be targeted killing someone?

Ping–a–ding–ding.

[Dannylonglegs]

Hosts, for my prank tonight I would like to repeatedly punch Minga in its face.

Proper form is to put this in your game pm, but noted.

[Hinckley]

Clementine would know if the real investigator is dead or not, yes? I'm not saying we all need to go and claim to her but I'm not willing to shun our investigator because his contact said something stupid.

That's what I've postulated but Clementine appears to think she'd be tracked killing. Not sure why. Again, with the focus on backing up the vig. And if two PRs were killed last night, would Clementine get a choice of which Action to inherit? I'm sure Clem can clarify that for us.

And if we're not getting an investigator counterclaim, there's no reason for us to not believe the investigator. But if the contact is a tailored–Scum or Godfather then we shouldn't be claiming to it.

And...is Clementine verified? No. Nathan seems to think so since he put her name in green, but I haven't received any evidence that Clem is who she says she is.

[Dragonfire]

I'm actively trying to prevent anyone from prematurely claiming to you because you're saying Scummy things.

The funny thing is, yesterday you were all "Let's lynch everyone who called out Minga's vote analysis because Minga is so towny! and now you're saying "Let's lynch Minga because she's so scummy!" It just reads to Minga as someone desperate to push a lynch on any random suspect.

I think you're overreacting to be honest. It seems like a dumb move to me but not a scummy one.

Yes, it was dumb of Minga to assume that Scum can't have prank roles.

[Hinckley]

Proper form is to put this in your game pm, but noted.

Until it bleeds. Thank you.

The funny thing is, yesterday you were all "Let's lynch everyone who called out Minga's vote analysis because Minga is so towny! and now you're saying "Let's lynch Minga because she's so scummy!" It just reads to Minga as someone desperate to push a lynch on any random suspect.

Quote where I say to lynch you, hyper–sensitive. Apparently, I'm only calling you stupid. I believe I've made it quite clear I'm voting for Paul. And you're not random. You specifically said something ludicrous, which I found Scummy but Diamond came in and defended you, so you're just stupid, apparently.

[CMP]

And if we're not getting an investigator counterclaim, there's no reason for us to not believe the investigator. But if the contact is a tailored–Scum or Godfather then we shouldn't be claiming to it.

If the contact is scum why isn't the investigator dead?

[Lind Whisperer]

Bandwagon? There's no voting yet. Minga is not a n00b.

Didn't say she was, I said she made a n00b post. Big difference.

And as of right now, I'm voting for Paul when voting opens. And I'm not the Town leader.

Effectively, you are. As a rule, people trust you. Whether or not they should is another question, but unfortunately, they do.

There is a difference between a kill and...a non–killing action. Why would you be targeted killing someone?

No, you take the time to read. If I pulled vig, there would be no difference in what I did. And if I pull any other role, then we get into the endless "ooh, what about if he's a Mafia __fill in the blank____?".

[Hinckley]

And where do you get any indication that I thought you were Town yesterday? I said ZipZop was strange for asking you to do an analysis and then calling you Scummy for it and that Laura and Paul were Scummy for calling it fluff when it implicated them. Where did I say "Minga's so Towny!"?

[Dragonfire]

Hey, megablocks. Someone stole my pants both nights. You take the time to actually read.

Someone = Minga and Clementine

There is a difference between a kill and...a non–killing action. Why would you be targeted killing someone?

Clem was giving an example (of the vig role).

Proper form is to put this in your game pm, but noted.

And...is Clementine verified? No. Nathan seems to think so since he put her name in green, but I haven't received any evidence that Clem is who she says she is.

Do you think Clem would claim Universal-Backup as scum? It's too obscure a role and too ballsy a claim (it would take a lot of good lying to keep up the pretext). Anyway, Minga is pretty sure Clem is town.

[Hinckley]

If the contact is scum why isn't the investigator dead?

Don't start this shit. Any number of megablocking reasons. If Minga is Scum and was cleared because of a tailor, now they have the investigator's ear and a tailor and can target any player the investigator targets. Maybe they're keeping him/her alive for...starting a Town block, maybe? As Minga is trying to do. You know Scum keep PRs alive if they can manipulate them so why are you even trying to argue that?

And how are you sure the investigator is still alive?

I see no reason to put Clem or Minga in the verified column just yet.

[Dragonfire]

Quote where I say to lynch you, hyper–sensitive. Apparently, I'm only calling you stupid. I believe I've made it quite clear I'm voting for Paul. And you're not random. You specifically said something ludicrous, which I found Scummy but Diamond came in and defended you, so you're just stupid, apparently.

Generally when a player calls another player Scum, says their posts are Scummy and posts huge PINGs whenever they post, then they would like them lynched. Don't we all want someone lynched if we think they're Scum? And don't tell Minga you didn't think Minga was Scum 'cause you definitely did. You only clarified who you planned to vote for while I was making my last post.

If the contact is scum why isn't the investigator dead?

Exactly. Minga was the investigator's only contact through the whole of Day Two. Minga could have just killed the investigator and nobody would have been any the wiser (except for maybe Clem).

And where do you get any indication that I thought you were Town yesterday? I said ZipZop was strange for asking you to do an analysis and then calling you Scummy for it and that Laura and Paul were Scummy for calling it fluff when it implicated them. Where did I say "Minga's so Towny!"?

By calling other people Scummy for taking umbrage at things Minga said, by extension that means you thought Minga was Town. Why would a Scum do that to another Scum - it doesn't make sense.

[CMP]

Don't start this shit. Any number of megablocking reasons. If Minga is Scum and was cleared because of a tailor, now they have the investigator's ear and a tailor and can target any player the investigator targets. Maybe they're keeping him/her alive for...starting a Town block, maybe? As Minga is trying to do. You know Scum keep PRs alive if they can manipulate them so why are you even trying to argue that?

Then what do you suggest we do? The investigator is of no use to the town if we can't trust his contact.

[Hinckley]

Clem was giving an example (of the vig role).

But if we were to verify her through Actions, I would assume the tracker would have an idea who she planned to target and what role she claimed to have. I don't know how this would all work, that's for people in the Town block to figure out.

Do you think Clem would claim Universal-Backup as scum? It's too obscure a role and too ballsy a claim (it would take a lot of good lying to keep up the pretext). Anyway, Minga is pretty sure Clem is town.

I said yesterday I find it hard to believe a Scum would claim that role but it's not impossible.

Hey, if you two are Town and can verify people and get us moving in the right direction, great. But, and I know this from experience, you better damn well expect some scrutiny if you come out and claim to be verified and start asking for claims. Be more wary of the people who believe you too easily.

Generally when a player calls another player Scum, says their posts are Scummy and posts huge PINGs whenever they post, then they would like them lynched. Don't we all want someone lynched if we think they're Scum? And don't tell Minga you didn't think Minga was Scum 'cause you definitely did. You only clarified who you planned to vote for while I was making my last post.

My first post of the day:

Quit stealing my breeks! Though my bawbag feels right free in this skart!

If we were voting right now, I'd be dafty not to vote for Paul Harkonnen after his Scumminess yesterday.

And now for speculation on the night kills: I assume Scum killed Major Dave. It's up in the air who killed Laura and Vazquez as they both were under some scrutiny yesterday, no? At least we now have confirmation there are three killers among us.

And I've called a lot of people Scummy. That's how the game is played. We don't lynch every person who is called Scummy. You sure are acting like a n00b.

Exactly. Minga was the investigator's only contact through the whole of Day Two. Minga could have just killed the investigator and nobody would have been any the wiser (except for maybe Clem).

No. Not proof.

By calling other people Scummy for taking umbrage at things Minga said, by extension that means you thought Minga was Town. Why would a Scum do that to another Scum - it doesn't make sense.

Also, no, that does not mean I think you are Town. And Scum bus Scum all the time. Is this your first game??????

[Dragonfire]

Don't start this shit. Any number of megablocking reasons. If Minga is Scum and was cleared because of a tailor, now they have the investigator's ear and a tailor and can target any player the investigator targets. Maybe they're keeping him/her alive for...starting a Town block, maybe? As Minga is trying to do. You know Scum keep PRs alive if they can manipulate them so why are you even trying to argue that?

What even is a tailor and what does it do? As far as Minga knows, there's never been one in a Mafia game so far (except for Unrest, and in that game Bob never used his tailor ability).

that's for people in the Town block to figure out.

Which is what Minga is currently in. Our aim is to verify each other through Actions.

Hey, if you two are Town and can verify people and get us moving in the right direction, great. But, and I know this from experience, you better damn well expect some scrutiny if you come out and claim to be verified and start asking for claims. Be more wary of the people who believe you too easily.

Minga is prepared for scrutiny. Minga didn't really want to come out and do this, but was strongly advised to by the investigator. And yes, Minga knows who to be wary of. Certain people do seem to be awfully trusting of Minga and her claim.

[CMP]

What even is a tailor and what does it do? As far as Minga knows, there's never been one in a Mafia game so far (except for Unrest, and in that game Bob never used his tailor ability).

I believe it's a synonym for 'framer' (making the target appear as the opposite result on investigations).

[Dragonfire]

And I've called a lot of people Scummy. That's how the game is played. We don't lynch every person who is called Scummy. You sure are acting like a n00b.

That's Minga's whole point. Just because you made your first post suspecting Paul doesn't mean your opinions can't change.

And Scum bus Scum all the time. Is this your first game??????

Minga's aware that bussing is common. However, scum being unnecessarily defensive, OMGUS-y and aggressive when called out by a fellow scum is surely less common...?

I believe it's a synonym for 'framer' (making the target appear as the opposite result on investigations).

Oh. Surely framers only make townies appear scum ?

[Lind Whisperer]

But if we were to verify her through Actions, I would assume the tracker would have an idea who she planned to target and what role she claimed to have.

Except that none of the roles are verifiable, except possibly re-director.

I don't know how this would all work, that's for people in the Town block to figure out.

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Someone noticed my logic was bad, so I'm just going to mumble something about other people figuring out the kings, and move on

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This should ping people, if for nothing other than that Seamus is playing way below his game-grade.

I said yesterday I find it hard to believe a Scum would claim that role but it's not impossible.

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Hey, if you two are Town and can verify people

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Hey, if you two are Town, and can clarify for the scum team which would be the best for us to kill tonight, that'd be awesome, thanks.

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[CMP]

Oh. Surely framers only make townies appear scum ?

I believe they can make scum appear townie in investigations too. It's possible the actually are two separate roles and I'm muddling them together.

[Lind Whisperer]

*kinks, not 'kings'

[Hinckley]

What even is a tailor and what does it do? As far as Minga knows, there's never been one in a Mafia game so far (except for Unrest, and in that game Bob never used his tailor ability).

It's been used. Look it up on mafiawiki.

Which is what Minga is currently in. Our aim is to verify each other through Actions.

I hope that's true. I hope you get somewhere.

Minga is prepared for scrutiny. Minga didn't really want to come out and do this, but was strongly advised to by the investigator. And yes, Minga knows who to be wary of. Certain people do seem to be awfully trusting of Minga and her claim.

Then take the scrutiny. If you have nothing to hide, the more you post the more we will see it. And watch those certain people very closely.

And if there is someone out there who knows Minga is lying, please find someone you trust to bring the information to us.

Except that none of the roles are verifiable, except possibly re-director.

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This should ping people, if for nothing other than that Seamus is playing way below his game-grade.

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What is this? Are you again changing what other people have said?? Below my game–grade? What does that even mean? You don't like that I don't believe you or Minga so everything I say is a ping? And I'd like to see my actually quotes not your paraphrasing. I have no idea what you're doing but it looks bonkers.

Oh, you think because I'm not telling the tracker and investigator a plan to verify you, I'm playing below my game–grade? I'm not going to say specific things in public that the Scum can block or mess with. So, use your own brain.

[Lind Whisperer]

For obvious reasons, I'm going to leave it ambiguous as to whether I I became Thanos a PR last night, or if I'm still just a boring back-up, but I can assure you that yes, our Investigator is still among us, alive and well.

What is this? Are you again changing what other people have said??

Nope. I took a Third Option. I like those.

Below my game–grade? What does that even mean?

Well, let's see. "Below," as in below normal performance, "game-grade," as in normal Mafia skills, so I mean you're performing below your normal Mafia skills. Almost as if you're trying to quickly wrap up the game...

Oh, you think because I'm not telling the tracker and investigator a plan to verify you, I'm playing below my game–grade?

No, I think that your using bad logic and refusing to respond to my pointing out the problems with your suggestion is your playing below your game-grade.

[Dragonfire]

I believe they can make scum appear townie in investigations too. It's possible the actually are two separate roles and I'm muddling them together.

It's been used. Look it up on mafiawiki.

Minga looked it up. A Tailor is in fact a role which makes scum appear Town to the Cop. A Framer does the opposite. Tailor is a variant of Framer and is quite uncommon.

I hope that's true. I hope you get somewhere.

I hope so too.

Then take the scrutiny. If you have nothing to hide, the more you post the more we will see it. And watch those certain people very closely.

There's a reason Minga's been posting much more and in more depth than in Ragnarok 3. And yes, Minga will be vigilant (not vigilante )

And if there is someone out there who knows Minga is lying, please find someone you trust to bring the information to us.

Yes, please do, so that you can out yourself as scum in front of everyone

[Hinckley]

No, I think that your using bad logic and refusing to respond to my pointing out the problems with your suggestion is your playing below your game-grade.

What about what I'm saying do you not like?

Today is "Starship Troopers" by the way.

Minga looked it up. A Tailor is in fact a role which makes scum appear Town to the Cop. A Framer does the opposite. Tailor is a variant of Framer and is quite uncommon.

That doesn't mean it's never used. I've used it twice as a host. Albeit, one–shots. The other possibility is that someone is investigated and they're the...Clem's favorite word...Godfather. Once they're cleared, again, of course they'd want to try and get a Town block formed around them. A trusted Scum who has been investigated as Town can get away with a lot.

For obvious reasons, I'm going to leave it ambiguous as to whether I I became Thanos a PR last night, or if I'm still just a boring back-up, but I can assure you that yes, our Investigator is still among us, alive and well.

Thanks for this, if it is true.

No, I think that your using bad logic and refusing to respond to my pointing out the problems with your suggestion is your playing below your game-grade.

I think my logic is sound. You and Minga can both be lying and nothing you've said makes me 100% sure that you are Town. You can be verified targeting who you say you would or if you have inherited vig, it would be obvious if you killed who you said you would. Sorry that my logic seems sub–par to you, but I would say my logic is that I don't trust you or Minga 100% because I have no reason to. If there's no counterclaim, if there are other verifications of your claims, great. But the way it's being presented to us right now, calls for scrutiny. The Town PRs rushing to claim to a liar could possibly end the game tonight. If you don't like me questioning that, then go screw.

Nope. I took a Third Option. I like those.

And no, you quoted me saying something I did not say. You have to stop that. It's terrible form. Terrible Mafia etiquette.

[Lind Whisperer]

What about what I'm saying do you not like?

That's not what I said. It's what you're not saying, or rather, the question you're avoiding.

But if we were to verify (Clementine) through Actions, I would assume the tracker would have an idea who she planned to target and what role she claimed to have. I don't know how this would all work, that's for people in the Town block to figure out.

You said that it would be possible to 'verify me through actions'. I pointed out that that isn't possible - vig kills look like all others, an attempted conversion would look like a doctoring/investigating to a Tracker/Watcher. Suggesting that I could be verified that way, is bad logic. And you are too good of a player to not realize that, which makes your suggesting it look highly scummy.