Blacktron Mafia: Day 3, Spaceship Soldiers

[MagPiesRUs]

Here's how I feel about Paul:

He admits to jumping on a bandwagon and having no good reason to vote for Dr. Wen yet when he votes, he says:

He says his mind was made a while back but! Ay, that's odd. He says he sheeped it. I can't emphasize this enough: he admits to joining a bandwagon for no reason. He sheeped the vote. That's what Scum do. Lynch a Townie, hide in the bandwagon. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa!

This part in particular sticks out the most to me. It's very strange that Paul would admit to sheeping the vote after being accused of jumping on the bandwagon with no thought. Even though on Day One, he seemed to be trying to give us the opposite impression, saying his mind was made up, which suggests that he thought Wen was scummy before the bandwagon formed. Paul, can you confirm whether your vote on Wen was actually based on your opinion, as you initially claimed, or just a mindless bandwagon vote?

First off, here is the Doctor Wen vote analysis from yesterday, updated to show people who died and flipped town:

It might be more interesting to look at who didn't vote for Dr. Wen, which has a smaller pool of survivors. I'm guessing the scum would want to spread their votes out a little, so I don't think they'd all vote for Wen.

6 votes for Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer): (Chromeknight, Sir Stig, Xenophobic Monoxide, Lazychicken, Lady K, Dragonfire)

1 vote for Vasquez Rodriguez (Lady K): (Lind Whisperer)

1 vote for Hannah Ford (Ranger of the Forest): (Mostlytechnic)

I'm getting fairly townie vibes off of Zipzop, Minga and Clem. Of the four, 4 of 2 strikes me as most likely to be scum. I'm still not sure what to make of his idea for PRs and vanillas to claim to Clem. I know he has since clarified that he didn't want anyone to claim to her, but why bring up this suggestion in the first place? It seems strange how much thought he put into this idea, even though he didn't agree with it in the first place.

[mostlytechnic]

Well I'm glad to see Clementine's whining about needing protection for herself paid off.

Apparently it actually DID pay off since no killers tried to kill her, probably assuming she'd BE protected.

I'm looking over the votes now. I didn't think that Major Dave contributed all that much, but he initially voted for and spent a lot of time arguing with 4 of 2 before switching his vote to Claw.

So, what are you trying to say about me? That I'm the vig? SK? Scum? Or are you just pointing vague fingers around?

Okay, you know what? We're losing townies left and right here; three more townies dead and the game could end right now. Minga proposes we put an end to this, and Minga has a solution.

The town investigator investigated Minga on Night One and received a result of Loyal.

Minga also has an easily verifiable role. She is the Loyal Wardrobe Designer and she is responsible for the clothes-switching (Seamus/Claw and Nathan/Diamond)

The investigator has advised Minga to claim in public, and would like others to claim their roles to Minga so that a Town block may be set up. We are already narrowing down the list of possible scum as we speak and we feel that others claiming to Minga in private is the right way to proceed if we want to catch those scum!

Hm. At this point we only have your own word that you're loyal. You could be scum trying to get the real investigator to out themselves - at this point (with 7 town dead) the scum would gladly trade a goon for the investigator.

So, investigator, I'd assume you've checked TWO people now with two nights. You need to have the second person ALSO out themselves as cleared and verify Minga's claim. Or if you found a scummo, we need to know that too.

[Captain Nemo]

Ooof. I was expecting Claw to turn up scum--but everyone turning up town...and that many dead?

*ping*

I need to go over yesterday to see what else he posted, but at least a portion of Paul's scummy-ness came from a suspiciously similar message - and the person with the other portion of the message turned up Loyal, suggesting Paul may be as well.

Also, someone analyze the last two bandwagons, and who were the primary drivers - that post of Seamus's feels a lot like scum trying to lead the town. Seamus's a good enough player that you'd think he wouldn't do something like that...but he knows we know he's such a good player that he wouldn't likely try that, so he might still try it. WIFOM, WIFOM, someone go over it, please.

Why are you changing quotes to make people seem more scummy? That's rather, well scummy behavior. And just from memory this doesn't sound like it's the first time that this has happened. Plus you then base your claims of suspicion off of your own falsified quotes?

Incidentally, do you have no more talk of the godfather? I asked you a series of questions yesterday (about half way though the day I believe) that were never answered. Questions like; why do you keep referring to the godfather in terms of, "If I was the godfather I would have killed him like this" and junk?--clearly scummy statements. But now, and not for a while, have you brought the godfather; which was previously your catchphrase (with Seamus included in said catchphrase). Are you getting more confident in a victory--that you don't need to pass of accusations?

Wow there are a lot of unvotes and crap. Maybe Minga can get in here and throw us together an awesome vote analysis again?

Noticeably nearly everyone who ended up voting Clementine on Day One is dead. I'm not really suggesting anything specific, but that's seriously weird. The only ones still living are Minga and Zipzop. Minga looks to townie. Zipzop I didn't see much of, but he seemed reasonably on the ball for a new player and apparently somebody claimed tracker to him?

I agree that this is weird. Especially considering that everyone who voted for Clementine on day one who has died has also been found town; we should emphasis that. Minga is apparently also town (assuming her claim is true). But what about Zipzop; is he town too? Or is he scum voting for another scum?

So, investigator, I'd assume you've checked TWO people now with two nights. You need to have the second person ALSO out themselves as cleared and verify Minga's claim. Or if you found a scummo, we need to know that too.

In regards to Minga's claim--is there even a second person breathing? That person very likely could be one of the seven dead peoples. Which would clearly make it harder for us to believe her, just from her singular statements.

[Dragonfire]

So, investigator, I'd assume you've checked TWO people now with two nights. You need to have the second person ALSO out themselves as cleared and verify Minga's claim. Or if you found a scummo, we need to know that too.

In regards to Minga's claim--is there even a second person breathing? That person very likely could be one of the seven dead peoples. Which would clearly make it harder for us to believe her, just from her singular statements.

Minga can confirm that the investigator is still alive. The person whom the investigator targeted last night turned up town, is still alive and has been notified that they turned up town. For safety reasons, it's better that they don't reveal themselves in public - we want to keep the scum guessing.

There's absolutely no point in asking the second cleared townie to out, since they don't know the investigator's identity anyway.

[Hinckley]

I suppose. But regardless of however scummy or fluffy the targets were, they were all town and now we're down by seven on Day Three.

Maybe we can be so bold as to ask the Serial Killer to stay home tonight. And hopefully the vig will take a night off unless there's a really solid target to give us the time to catch up.

I can't say he "lead" a lynch on Day One against Dr. Wen,

Common mistake, it's "led".

Rip Sewer was particularly harsh against him, which always bothered me a bit. Perhaps Rip is a townie that genuinely wanted him gone and didn't have sympathy for him, or he's scum and he figured he'd be able to make himself look pro-town by going down hard against Wen.

I noticed this about Rip too. He also encourage the "blocker [sic]" not to protect Clementine.

The second day was interesting. Seamus had been going on Claw for most of the day, before eventually quoting and using Maurice's reasons. Now today he's leading a charge against Paul, who was acting quite scummy yesterday I will admit.

The thing is, Laura and Paul were being equally scummy yesterday IMO and Laura flipped town... Minga still thinks Paul could be scum but Minga has literally no trust in her reads at this point.

I would say Paul was Scummier than Laura. Not much of my case against Paul relies on how Laura was acting. I'm not sure why people think her flipping Town has any bearing on Paul.

Okay, you know what? We're losing townies left and right here; three more townies dead and the game could end right now. Minga proposes we put an end to this, and Minga has a solution.

The town investigator investigated Minga on Night One and received a result of Loyal.

Minga also has an easily verifiable role. She is the Loyal Wardrobe Designer and she is responsible for the clothes-switching (Seamus/Claw and Nathan/Diamond)

The investigator has advised Minga to claim in public, and would like others to claim their roles to Minga so that a Town block may be set up. We are already narrowing down the list of possible scum as we speak and we feel that others claiming to Minga in private is the right way to proceed if we want to catch those scum!

Let's wait to make sure a counterclaim doesn't crop up. I hate the clothes–switching. I absolutely hate it. It reeks of bus driving. Switch targets and we're given an indication by the clothes being switched. You say it's an actual role?? I got an actual result so the host seems to think it is. You are a PR that does nothing but switch people's clothes?

I'm not asking Clementine to announce publicly if she's acquired a role. I imagine there haven't been 7 vanilla Townie deaths. But I imagine she might know if the investigator has been killed or not. If two PRs die in one night, does the host give the backup a choice between the two roles? I don't remember ever using a backup. I'm not sure what I would do. I guess I'd have a hierarchy of kills solely to determine first Town PR killed.

6 votes for Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer): (Chromeknight, Sir Stig, Xenophobic Monoxide, Lazychicken, Lady K, Dragonfire)

1 vote for Vasquez Rodriguez (Lady K): (Lind Whisperer)

1 vote for Hannah Ford (Ranger of the Forest): (Mostlytechnic)

Why is Clementine green?

So, investigator, I'd assume you've checked TWO people now with two nights. You need to have the second person ALSO out themselves as cleared and verify Minga's claim. Or if you found a scummo, we need to know that too.

I would hope Minga would've led with "so–and–so is Scum" if that was the case and I don't think we should be publicly announcing those cleared by investigation. If this turns out to be the real investigator, perhaps Minga can steer us away if that person is in danger of being lynched.

and has been notified that they turned up town.

By whom? I hope the investigator, him/herself isn't contacting them directly. It should be you in case of a Tailor or Godfather^TM.

[Dragonfire]

Let's wait to make sure a counterclaim doesn't crop up. I hate the clothes–switching. I absolutely hate it. It reeks of bus driving. Switch targets and we're given an indication by the clothes being switched. You say it's an actual role?? I got an actual result so the host seems to think it is. You are a PR that does nothing but switch people's clothes?

Do you remember in Main St. Mafia when Tammo requested to have a prank role that styled people's hair? That's what Minga did. She requested the host to have a prank role. Minga's role cannot be tracked, watched or blocked. It is purely for everyone's amusement

By whom? I hope the investigator, him/herself isn't contacting them directly. It should be you in case of a Tailor or Godfather^TM.

Yes, by Minga herself. Minga is doing all the behind the scenes communications and relaying all the messages back to the investigator.

[Lind Whisperer]

Let's wait to make sure a counterclaim doesn't crop up. I hate the clothes–switching. I absolutely hate it. It reeks of bus driving. Switch targets and we're given an indication by the clothes being switched. You say it's an actual role?? I got an actual result so the host seems to think it is. You are a PR that does nothing but switch people's clothes?

Dude, it's a joke thing. Read the day post - anyone can do it. Just I did last night with your skir- Oops, did I say that out loud?

If two PRs die in one night, does the host give the backup a choice between the two roles?

First come, only served.

[Hinckley]

Zipzop I didn't see much of, but he seemed reasonably on the ball for a new player and apparently somebody claimed tracker to him?

This. Someone mentioned the Claw and Dr. Wen would've done better than flailing noobs as their team would've advised them. Zipzop is a noob and has been pretty involved, even getting claims. Most of his contributions have been talking about how in–depth he is when reading the day threads.

I'm not sure what to think about Zipzop. I keep going back and forth. I have a conversation going with him by PM. He's only one of two conversations I've had, the other only being a couple of posts. Zipzop asked me for advice on what to do about the tracker claim. He was planning on telling two people the identity of the tracker in case he was killed. So, I told him to create a code that led to the tracker but give the code to one person and the key to another person so he wouldn't be revealing the identity yet and not need to if he wasn't killed. He gave me the code and along comes that other person I have a couple–post conversation going with: "Hey, Zipzop gave me the key to the code of who the tracker is in case he dies. So we need to connect it if he dies."

For one, why did Zipzop tell the other person who I was but not tell me who the other person was? I asked him about this and he said it sounded strange that the other person contacted me but hasn't responded to me since. Monitoring his personnel file, I see he's been online and read the PM since. He has also been online since the day started but not posted.

Dude, it's a joke thing. Read the day post - anyone can do it. Just I did last night with your skir- Oops, did I say that out loud?

But you bolded it in blue and gave it a name, not clarifying it was a joke thing, making it sound like it was your role.

Or whoever did, not you, Minga. I was posting, I didn't realize how many new posts had come up, the board software usually alerts me.

Oh, and I forgot to mention I found it odd that the other person, the code person, would PM me to seemingly say "Hey, look at me! Someone trusts me!" And I'm not really clear as to why ZipZop would trust this particular person.

However, as I go over this scenario in my head, while these things are suspicious, they could also be Town–motivated.

Aye, tatties o'er the side, I need a drink!

[Lind Whisperer]

Why are you changing quotes to make people seem more scummy? That's rather, well scummy behavior.

Because I was trying to emphasize my point. And said quotes were typically from right above the post, and were changed to the point where it was clearly obvious they'd been changed.

Plus you then base your claims of suspicion off of your own falsified quotes?

Waaaaa-?

Incidentally, do you have no more talk of the godfather? I asked you a series of questions yesterday (about half way though the day I believe) that were never answered. Questions like; why do you keep referring to the godfather in terms of, "If I was the godfather I would have killed him like this" and junk?--clearly scummy statements. But now, and not for a while, have you brought the godfather; which was previously your catchphrase (with Seamus included in said catchphrase).

I haven't talked about the godfather role because the topic hasn't come up. I talked like that because I try and lay all possible outcomes out on the table.

Are you getting more confident in a victory--that you don't need to pass of accusations?

The way you're attacking me in this post suggests that you're feeling more confident...

[Dragonfire]

This. Someone mentioned the Claw and Dr. Wen would've done better than flailing noobs as their team would've advised them. Zipzop is a noob and has been pretty involved, even getting claims. Most of his contributions have been talking about how in–depth he is when reading the day threads.

I'm not sure what to think about Zipzop. I keep going back and forth. I have a conversation going with him by PM. He's only one of two conversations I've had, the other only being a couple of posts. Zipzop asked me for advice on what to do about the tracker claim. He was planning on telling two people the identity of the tracker in case he was killed. So, I told him to create a code that led to the tracker but give the code to one person and the key to another person so he wouldn't be revealing the identity yet and not need to if he wasn't killed. He gave me the code and along comes that other person I have a couple–post conversation going with: "Hey, Zipzop gave me the key to the code of who the tracker is in case he dies. So we need to connect it if he dies."

For one, why did Zipzop tell the other person who I was but not tell me who the other person was? I asked him about this and he said it sounded strange that the other person contacted me but hasn't responded to me since. Monitoring his personnel file, I see he's been online and read the PM since. He has also been online since the day started but not posted.

That does seem odd....

But you bolded it in blue and gave it a name, not clarifying it was a joke thing, making it sound like it was your role.

Or whoever did, not you, Minga. I was posting, I didn't realize how many new posts had come up, the board software usually alerts me.

It is my role. I gave it to myself, but it is my role now. I don't know about Clementine's prank role thingy, but mine is my role.

[Hinckley]

I want to look more into these middle–ground players. It's a common space for Scum to hide and easy for them to shrug off suspicions. Nathan, aye not Nathan, why did I think Nathan? Because he's in this range too? No, Rip. I mean Rip. Rip starts the game with the bold call for Dr. Wen's head and if he's Scum he's borrowing a page from the Scubacarrot manual of Mafia–play: Act really bold and confident and people will mistake the confidence for Towniness.

Incidentally I cannot leave for but an hour without everything crazy going on. But I want to ask this question to Doctor Wen (with a forward of all due respect to his person--no one has not felt embarrassed by Mafia, and so you shouldn't leave Eurobricks over it; this site is supposed to be fun after all, although sometimes with Mafia it may not always seem like it), which has not been brought up:

Why should we, as a town, be talking him down from the ledge?

We don't know him people! I'm just flabbergasted at this whole situation. From my perspective, he is either a terrible townie, a terrible scum, or some type of disgusting neutral. And while I've yet to see anything that actually leans him in one direction of allegiance over another (that I can tell)--all directions thus far have pointed towards at him being a continual detriment to the town, regardless of his true allegiance. I'm becoming more and more confident in who I'm going to vote for, and unless I can find a reason to change it, I'll be rooting for Doctor Wen to jump.

Vote: Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide)

I think he's being a detriment to the town.

Remember that opening statement too, I'll come back to it: "I can't leave for an hour without everything crazy going on..." He proposes that Dr. Wen is a detriment to the town no matter what his affiliation is. His "perspective" is that he's either Town, Scum or Neutral... That's some great sleuthing skills there. Maybe he's also a Mafia player? An EB member? An AFOL? And then his vote is carefully worded, "he's a detriment to the Town." This is basically saying "when he flips Town, I still said I just didn't want him here because he's a detriment to us no matter what he was." How dare a noob act like a noob and play like one on top of it? I voted for Dr. Wen as well but it's because I thought he was Scum. Lynching someone because they're a bad Townie doesn't seem to me to be a very Townie thing to do.

It's late (ironically because it's morning apparently), so I'm only going to drop a short comment on the matter at hand now, before I forget what I was going to say during my nap:

In regards to Clementine's claim--I utterly reject the call for our town blocker, whomever it may be, to spend effort protecting him. Clementine, aside from the fact that I think it was stupid to claim now, and more importantly publicly (with such an ability no less)--as it was entirely self interest (you just want a night bodyguard, and to save your own butt; I don't consider this action very town like, at least not with such an ability)--the town blocker should not defend you instead of another non-compromised person/PR. Your supposed ability is entirely passive, and rests solely on the fact that someone more important than you must die first for to work. Until that time, you are essentially vanilla. And so the town blocker must be protecting the more important assets. You are the back up, you shouldn't get first tier protection.

It's a risk for the blocker to protect you from here on out. There will be too much scrutiny and danger in protecting you, too high a chance of detection and a chance that an actual PR will be killed. Your barometer ability is passive; and in my opinion was supplied as a plan B for the town block--now everyone knows, and any potential PR save will be compromised, because after every death, the eyes will all be on you.

As for claiming in public, it would have been significantly more helpful to the town as a whole to have not done so. But we can't cry over spilled blue space milk at this point.

Again, he's making a Scuba–esque bold claim for the "blocker" not to protect Clementine. It's weird in and of itself as the protector could protect the backup as it's not only the only "role" the Town knows to protect, it's also possibly the only "role" the Scum know to kill. Why wouldn't the Scum want to take out a backup if they don't know the identity of any other role. But, let's see how Scum perspective effects this bold statement. He thinks the blocker protects. That's a weird mistake to make. Blockers probably...hmmmm...block? And the protection is given by....I think the protector. It struck me as odd at the time and I couldn't pinpoint why and today I thought of this. If the Scum don't have a protector, how do they protect themselves? Trying to block the vig or SK, that's how. Scum Perspective.

And again, that one started with "It's late so..." blah blah blah statement, remember that one too.

As for the backup (and my statement about it, in regards to protecting)--it is not nearly as important of a role now because it has lost almost all of it's potential later significance. It has been exposed. Clementine will now always be suspect to the scum, because they will have to assume that after any of their kills (or any death that occurs) Clementine holds to potential to be a PR. He cannot trap any scum later on either, by claiming the role after a scum-PR-claim. The backup is not nearly as important if every assumes he's got a PR after every death.

Scum Perspective: suspect to the Scum. The Town is looking for Scum suspects. For Rip to think of Scum as having suspects must be how he views his job as Scum.

, 4 of 2 was correct in its clarification.

Good thing 4 of 2 knew what he was thinking.

As for voting--I'm not ready yet. I don't trust Clementine honestly, and I didn't trust her yesterday either. But I also don't think it's in the best town interest to vote for her now, even if her claim is iffy in my eyes. I want to see that pan out a bit more (actually come to think of it, I'm still waiting for her to answer some of my concerns I posted many hours ago now...) so I avoid making a hasty decision. I'm going to re-read the past day(s); I have lots of gut feelings, and maybe on a second thorough read that gut feeling may turn into vote-able evidence.

This is a long way to explain why he's not voting for the person he went after all day. Then he says he'll go read the day threads and look for evidence.

So, I erased the best example and I'm running out of time for now but somewhere he says "You people type so fast!" That combined with the other statements I've asked you to remember (I'm so tired, I can't post much, everything went crazy while I was gone) are fun ways of saying "I'm online but I'm not reading the Scum writeboard, I'm slow and tired." Then he promises to find us some evidence and never comes back.

Thinking back to the best examples I can remember of this type of middle–ground Scum play, the entire Scum team in Harriet Slutter and fhomess in Unrest in the Forest, the accused Scum always says something like "Well, I have been busy or tired or sad or grumpy and I do type really slow, is that so Scummy? Sorry I can't be as active as __(fill in the blank, usually me)__ do you expect me to be online all day? I've justified everything I've said and voted. How is that Scummy? I'm just trying to find Scum, sorry I'm not always right.

I'll look over the rest of these middle–ground posters, but Rip was the first that came to mind when I started looking at the lower contributors.

It is my role. I gave it to myself, but it is my role now. I don't know about Clementine's prank role thingy, but mine is my role.

It is not your role. Not enough to bold it and put it in blue and give it a name. You're announcing it like it verifies you further as Town (outside of supposedly being investigated as such). Town or Scum, giving your role a name, calling it loyal and bolding it in blue is inadmissible evidence as it's misleading.

[Dragonfire]

It is not your role. Not enough to bold it and put it in blue and give it a name. You're announcing it like it verifies you further as Town (outside of supposedly being investigated as such). Town or Scum, giving your role a name, calling it loyal and bolding it in blue is inadmissible evidence as it's misleading.

Okay, let's get to the bottom of this.

1) Minga requested from Hosty to have a role (this request was made before the game even started). In her request, she clearly stated that the role's name was Loyal Wardrobe Designer. Hosty approved Minga's request and granted her the role. Hosty initially said that it would work like a proper role.

2) At the beginning of Day Two, Hosty clarified that Minga's role would still work as Minga had described it, but Minga would not target the people whom she was pranking. This is presumably because someone else requested to have a prank role (ie. covering Clem with flowers). At the opening of Day Two, Hosty clarified that anyone could give themselves a prank role. Minga's request was before the game even started. It was because of Minga's request that Hosty published that.

3) Therefore, Minga was and still is under the assumption that prank roles which are shown in the pictures are not Scum roles and thus can be claimed to give oneself more verification. Minga does not view it as misleading.

[CMP]

Glad to see our investigator is still around and verifying people.

You raise some good points Seamus, and I'd like to see Rip respond to them.

3) Therefore, Minga was and still is under the assumption that prank roles which are shown in the pictures are not Scum roles and thus can be claimed to give oneself more verification. Minga does not view it as misleading.

I really doubt this is true.

Pranking people doesn't seem like it has anything to do with actual roles.

First rule of mafia, there are no clues in the pictures.

[Hinckley]

Okay, you know what? We're losing townies left and right here; three more townies dead and the game could end right now. Minga proposes we put an end to this, and Minga has a solution.

The town investigator investigated Minga on Night One and received a result of Loyal.

Minga also has an easily verifiable role. She is the Loyal Wardrobe Designer and she is responsible for the clothes-switching (Seamus/Claw and Nathan/Diamond)

The investigator has advised Minga to claim in public, and would like others to claim their roles to Minga so that a Town block may be set up. We are already narrowing down the list of possible scum as we speak and we feel that others claiming to Minga in private is the right way to proceed if we want to catch those scum!

Do you remember in Main St. Mafia when Tammo requested to have a prank role that styled people's hair? That's what Minga did. She requested the host to have a prank role. Minga's role cannot be tracked, watched or blocked. It is purely for everyone's amusement

Yes, by Minga herself. Minga is doing all the behind the scenes communications and relaying all the messages back to the investigator.

How is it easily verifiable if you can't be tracked, blocked, watched, etc? The host is letting people make jokes, anybody. You can tell us all you want who you're going to "target" and we'll see the results but that doesn't make you loyal. If there's no investigator counter–claim we'll believe you enough by that. I don't know why you have to tout being the clothes–switcher as proof that you're loyal. It really pings me.

Also, Clementine likes to hover around here and see what people are doing. I have to assume if she is what she says she is, she's inherited a role. And somebody knows a tracker...

[Lind Whisperer]

Okay, this prank role business is getting off track. They are separate from the game, people. Minga, it sounds like DLL was trying to be amenable to your wishes and enhance the fun, it's turning into something it wasn't meant to be. It doesn't prove or disprove anything about alignment.

[Hinckley]

3) Therefore, Minga was and still is under the assumption that prank roles which are shown in the pictures are not Scum roles and thus can be claimed to give oneself more verification. Minga does not view it as misleading.

Ping!

[Dragonfire]

How is it easily verifiable if you can't be tracked, blocked, watched, etc? The host is letting people make jokes, anybody. You can tell us all you want who you're going to "target" and we'll see the results but that doesn't make you loyal. If there's no investigator counter–claim we'll believe you enough by that. I don't know why you have to tout being the clothes–switcher as proof that you're loyal. It really pings me.

Okay, okay, fine, Minga was wrong. For some stupid reason she assumed that prankster roles were only town roles. By "verifiable" Minga means that the fact that she's the Wardrobe Designer is easily proven.

Also, Clementine likes to hover around here and see what people are doing. I have to assume if she is what she says she is, she's inherited a role. And somebody knows a tracker...

Why do you assume she's inherited a role? Are you hinting that the investigator is dead and Minga is lying, or are you just fishing?

[Hinckley]

Nobody claim to Minga, even if there isn't an investigator counter–claim. Maybe I'm over–reacting but something smells super fishy about trying to make us believe she's Town because she's pranking us. Getting a prank role verifies us as Town??? Then why wouldn't all of us just ask for a prank role and whoever Danny and Jack don't give them to are Scum.

I'm so annoyed right now.

[Dragonfire]

Ping!

Make your pings as big and bold as you want, see if Minga cares

[Hinckley]

Okay, okay, fine, Minga was wrong. For some stupid reason she assumed that prankster roles were only town roles. By "verifiable" Minga means that the fact that she's the Wardrobe Designer is easily proven.

Stupid reason or Scummy???? It's really Scummy trying to convince us you're Town because you stole my pants.

Why do you assume she's inherited a role? Are you hinting that the investigator is dead and Minga is lying, or are you just fishing?

Because seven Townies are dead!

Make your pings as big and bold as you want, see if Minga cares

Minga made the ping.

[Dragonfire]

Nobody claim to Minga, even if there isn't an investigator counter–claim. Maybe I'm over–reacting but something smells super fishy about trying to make us believe she's Town because she's pranking us.

And now you're trying to actively prevent a town block being set up. Minga is doing this to protect the investigator's identity, for goodness' sake!

[Hinckley]

or are you just fishing?

Fishing?? I specifically said I'm not asking her to tell us. I'm saying we can verify her claim by tracking her, assuming she will have a role after 7 Townies have died.

And now you're trying to actively prevent a town block being set up. Minga is doing this to protect the investigator's identity, for goodness' sake!

I'm actively trying to prevent anyone from prematurely claiming to you because you're saying Scummy things.

[CMP]

Nobody claim to Minga, even if there isn't an investigator counter–claim. Maybe I'm over–reacting but something smells super fishy about trying to make us believe she's Town because she's pranking us. Getting a prank role verifies us as Town??? Then why wouldn't all of us just ask for a prank role and whoever Danny and Jack don't give them to are Scum.

I think you're overreacting to be honest. It seems like a dumb move to me but not a scummy one.

[Hinckley]

Hosts, for my prank tonight I would like to repeatedly punch Minga in its face. There, now I'm verified Town.

I think you're overreacting to be honest. It seems like a dumb move to me but not a scummy one.

But he's not exactly a noob. And it's pretty dumb.

And do you feel sure enough to tell everyone to go claim to Minga?

[Lind Whisperer]

I'm so annoyed right now.

As am I.

Maybe I'm over–reacting but something smells super fishy about trying to make us believe she's Town because she's pranking us.

No, you're not over-reacting, you're gently nudging the bandwagon along. What happened was that Minga made a n00b mistake, and I'm fairly certain you, in the role of the 'calm, wise, benevolent town leader,' are going to lead everyone into lynching her for it.

Stupid reason or Scummy???? It's really Scummy trying to convince us you're Town because you stole my pants.

Take the time to actually read posts, before you try and get a lynch mob going.

Just I did last night with your skir- Oops, did I say that out loud?

-t.

Fishing?? I specifically said I'm not asking her to tell us. I'm saying we can verify her claim by tracking her, assuming she will have a role after 7 Townies have died.

...Verify it how, exactly? There's no difference between a vig kill, scum kill, and a serial kill.

*ping* *ping* *ping*

(Vig being given as an example, the principle of it holds true for all other roles that I can think of at the moment.)