Blacktron Mafia: Day 3, Spaceship Soldiers

[Hinckley]

Hey, I don't know why the scum target certain people. I'm not one of them.

But now we need to find a new lynch target today and get some scum dead. so far Bock has the most votes, but not really a good case against him. I prefer Zipzop myself - lots of confusion, suspicion, and I did a vote analysis as to why he's a good choice. But we've gotta get something moving or we'll have a no-lynch on our hands.

I don't call Major Dave's thorough case against you fluff. I only want to lynch Zipzop so he'll stop posting confusing things. That's not a good reason. Although there are some Zipzop is Scum thoughts floating around my head. I can exactly pinpoint it but there's something suspicious about a n00b who is trying to seem like he's doing so much work.

But, you think Rip is Town, 4 of 2?

[CMP]

Rip or Bock seems good to me. Rip only really seems to be here when she's being accused.

[Bob]

Vote: 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo)

If it's between me or him, it's not logical to vote for myself. I made my views on him clear earlier. He's been bugging me since he went down extremely hard on Dr. Wen.

[Hinckley]

Who to lynch:

4 of 2 claimed vig

Bock Pathos – candidate! But why? I remember suspecting him but I don't remember any reason being as strong as some others...like 4 of 2.

Clementine Lister claimed backup

Diamond Dodd – no suspicions voiced by anyone

Hannah Ford – no suspicions voiced? Maybe 4 of 2...

Harriet Stomper – has arouse a lot of suspicion

Minga Gorgon claimed verified by vig

Nathan 'Maurice' Mallard – only I've mentioned any suspicions of him

Paul Harkonnenn Scum Watcher but we can't lynch him

'Rip' Sewer – candidate! I made a case for him. Others seem to agree.

Seamus Aaron – Quite a few people have mentioned me as suspicious

Zipzop Beetlejuice – for now, just to shut him up

OK, so I can see going with Bock, Rip or Harriet and am still leaning towards Rip...

[Ranger of the Forest]

I said some stuff about why I thought Bock was scummy earlier, but I'll reiterate some of that here. He's echoed a lot of what others have said, and was very adamant that Minga was likely to be scum, without really considering that her actually being townie was a possibility. It's hard to point to specific things that he's said that are super duper scummy, but he's been lurking around and blending into the background most of the time and just pinging my scumdar. That was earlier. Now, after he joined the bandwagon for 4 of 2, would not unvote him until 4 of 2 was forced to roleclaim, despite Minga's caution against having him lynched, and is still suspicious of Minga even though she hasn't given us reason yet to doubt that she's fairly ok. No, we don't know for sure she's town. But with all the work she's done behind the scenes, it seems more likely than not that she is townie. And your continued suspicion of her is worrisome, imo. It's ok to not be sure of her affiliation, of course, but you are so persistent about this, that it makes you look like you're trying to cover your own scummy behind. This isn't as well developed as a Minga analysis or anything, but something to consider.

I wouldn't mind lynching Rip, as I can see a case being made for him, but I just find Bock the scummiest person here today (who hasn't claimed )

[Sir Stig]

I don’t know anymore, I’ve done enough damage. I have to get in bed now, so I will have to trust that Mingas advice puts the town in a better position tomorrow.

Vote: Bock Pathos (Bob)

Also: Is it so hard to put your whole name in the signature, Bock Pathos? It is so much harder to find your posts. Somehow I struggle to find Rips posts also, even though he has his full name there?

[Hinckley]

Why do your posts always have all the markup in it?

I assume Bock will be lynched, so there's no point nagging him about his signature anyway.

[Hinckley]

Unofficial vote tally:

4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 3 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Captain Nemo, Piratedave84, )

Bock Pathos (Bob): 4 votes (RangeroftheForest, Dragonfire, Lind Whisperer, Sir Stig)

'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 2 votes (mediumsnowman, Bob)

Zipzop Beetlejuice (Sir Stig): 1 vote (mostlytechnic)

Non-voting: 1 (Hinckley, CallMePie)

[Bob]

I don’t know anymore, I’ve done enough damage. I have to get in bed now, so I will have to trust that Mingas advice puts the town in a better position tomorrow.

Vote: Bock Pathos (Bob)

Also: Is it so hard to put your whole name in the signature, Bock Pathos? It is so much harder to find your posts. Somehow I struggle to find Rips posts also, even though he has his full name there?

What is up with your posts?

So, you're voting for me for no reason other than "Minga said so!" and Minga also voted for me for no reason. Ergo, you're voting for me for no reason. Make sure you keep in mind all of the people trying to pile onto this bandwagon for no discernible reason when Rip Sewer is a much better candidate to be lynched.

[Bob]

Oh, somebody did end up making a case against me.

I said some stuff about why I thought Bock was scummy earlier, but I'll reiterate some of that here. He's echoed a lot of what others have said, and was very adamant that Minga was likely to be scum, without really considering that her actually being townie was a possibility. It's hard to point to specific things that he's said that are super duper scummy, but he's been lurking around and blending into the background most of the time and just pinging my scumdar.

I've not "echoed what others have said", the entire day I've been speaking. Have I considered Minga actually is town? Sure, of course. Does that excuse me from still being suspicious of her? Anyone can come and claim they were investigated as innocent if they want to. I stated exactly why I found her suspicious, which is more than you're doing. You're claiming that I'm saying "super duper scummy things" but at the same time, you're unable to find any examples. Right.

That was earlier. Now, after he joined the bandwagon for 4 of 2, would not unvote him until 4 of 2 was forced to roleclaim, despite Minga's caution against having him lynched, and is still suspicious of Minga even though she hasn't given us reason yet to doubt that she's fairly ok. No, we don't know for sure she's town. But with all the work she's done behind the scenes, it seems more likely than not that she is townie. And your continued suspicion of her is worrisome, imo. It's ok to not be sure of her affiliation, of course, but you are so persistent about this, that it makes you look like you're trying to cover your own scummy behind. This isn't as well developed as a Minga analysis or anything, but something to consider.

Nobody else did either. Do you think there's seven scum out there, or is it just me? You shouldn't stop being suspicious of someone even though they say they're investigated as loyal. You're supposed to be suspicious of everyone, it's how the game works.

And you're wrong, it is more developed than a Minga analysis, since she didn't give one.

[Ranger of the Forest]

Oh, somebody did end up making a case against me.

I've not "echoed what others have said", the entire day I've been speaking. Have I considered Minga actually is town? Sure, of course. Does that excuse me from still being suspicious of her? Anyone can come and claim they were investigated as innocent if they want to. I stated exactly why I found her suspicious, which is more than you're doing. You're claiming that I'm saying "super duper scummy things" but at the same time, you're unable to find any examples. Right.

Nobody else did either. Do you think there's seven scum out there, or is it just me? You shouldn't stop being suspicious of someone even though they say they're investigated as loyal. You're supposed to be suspicious of everyone, it's how the game works.

And you're wrong, it is more developed than a Minga analysis, since she didn't give one.

If you have considered the possibility that she’s town, then you haven’t said that in thread. And of course you can’t echo everything, you throw in some not very helpful stuff of your own, but you have been echoing a lot of people. You made your case for 4 of 2 before we found out about her claim, but you did that after several others had already started calling her scummy. I actually did mention some specific examples, after I said I didn’t have any earlier Maybe you just couldn’t understand what I was saying, in which case I apologize for not being clear enough. I meant you aren’t scummy looking in the obvious way that previous lynch candidates, such as Xen and Claw are. Instead you’re scummy in the sense that you come up every now and then to deliver an opinion that isn’t anything we haven’t heard from other middle of the road players. Maybe you think I’m included in that section, and while that may be true, at least I’m trying to come up with a few original ideas, instead of having my posts be half quotes with not very much thought. No, I take that back. You have put thought into your posts. Thought that makes you look just townie enough to stay on the radar but not noticeably scummy enough to get you lynched. Until possibly now.

You’re definitely not the only one I find suspicious, as I called out everyone who bandwagoned on 4 of 2. No, what I said is that you were the person I found most suspicious out of everyone. I never said you shouldn’t be suspicious of her either What I’m saying is that you only seemed to consider the negative when it came to Minga, even after it became rather clear that she seemed to be working for the good of the town, even if she isn’t 100% confirmed. I totally get why you find her doing that suspicious though. I mean trying to help the town is such a drag, amirite?

Your tunnel vision on Minga being scummy, until you then decided to vote for 4 of 2, did not help matters. I honestly think you’re scum more than I’ve thought that about any other player in the game so far. It’s true that part of this is gut feeling based, but your posts are the perfect example of scum hiding in the background, imo.

I meant Minga’s earlier posts, I’m sorry that wasn’t clear enough for you She has timezone differences working against her, as a lot of us do.

I actually really like the face, actually. Very snide and frustrated and sarcastic and to the point.

I am willing to vite for someone else to achieve a lynch, but I still think Bock is our best bet

Sorry if you don’t agree, Bock

Lemme know if I need to restate any of this for what feels like the umpteenth time

*vote

Also hosty, would you mind telling us how much time is left in the day? Pretty please?

[Dannylonglegs]

Ok, My Lords, ladies, and other sentients, here's an

Official vote tally:

4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 3 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Captain Nemo, Piratedave84, )

Bock Pathos (Bob): 4 votes (RangeroftheForest, Dragonfire, Lind Whisperer, Sir Stig)

'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 2 votes (mediumsnowman, Bob)

Zipzop Beetlejuice (Sir Stig): 1 vote (mostlytechnic)

Non-voting: 2 (Hinckley, CallMePie)

With 12 players, a majority of 7 is required to lynch. You have about 4.5 hours till the day ends.

[Bob]

Well, I can't really defend myself against a gut intuition can I? I can only recommend some aspirin to soothe it. I'm glad you're voting with your gut. It's worked out for other people so well before.

On an unrelated note, both Nathan and Rip have looked at the thread and left without posting or unvoting 4 of 2. Just an observation.

[mostlytechnic]

Since Rip has mostly flown under my radar, I'm doing a full ISO on him. It was pretty quick, since he's the least talkative of all the living players. Heck, there's 3 dead players who have made more total posts in the game than him. Not that talkative is a guarantee of town, but scum DO usually try not to be noticed. Anyway, here's what he's said:

Day 1

Fluff

Fluff

Fluff

Tried to make Wen jump (couldn't / didn't see the difference between people trying to encourage Xen vs lynching Wen)

And then made this awesomely thought-out vote:

Vote: Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide)

I think he's being a detriment to the town.

Note that he didn't even accuse Wen of being scummy.

Day 2

Said that the town shouldn't block Clem, when he obviously meant protect. that's pretty anti-town there. There's only 1 known role; that seems like the obvious person to protect.

A nit-picky attack on clem, picking at single words like complaining that Clem talked about a godfather rather than the godfather

Fluff

Questioned claw and threw some suspicion on Minga

More of the same

And then another powerfully justified vote:

Yesh there's a lot of votes across the board. Not that affects my vote on Claw, here which follows:

The Claw has been very wishy-washy in my opinion today--specifically starting with the poorly disguised claim that Minga was responsible for the death of Ender, because she feared his day one statements about her (or something). It's really not a clear suspicion anyways, and the Claw itself admits this later in the day--by claiming it was never actually suspicious and that it suddenly just trusts Minga; or that the whole thing never happened or something--everything is all over the place with these green guys. And then Claw just passed it off as a 'side suspicion'. I'm still looking for the reasoning in the actual change in heart on Minga; other than 'it just changed' basically. I doubt I'll get an answer on that. The suspicion was built on nothing other than paranoia mixed with the failed perception of helpfulness; and I'm sure the answer would be just as useless.

There's also the stuff with Claw's continual prodding of Seamus; which he completely admits was entirely based off meta gaming:

And even then, the Claw is wishy washy. Looking at it now, that's almost as ridiculous a statement as noting that one 'shouldn't claim to confirmed scum'. Genius!

Vote: Claw (theLazychicken)

So again, not even accusing Claw of being scummy, but going along with the bandwagon. He voted 5th both days; comfortably in the middle.

Day 3

Fluff with poking at clem for not answering all Rip's questions on day 2, and a minor poke at Zip based on day 1 vote analysis (actually, the same argument I made in much more detail later that there must be a scum on Clem's day 1 wagon, but he just briefly mentioned it)

A huge fluffy set of answers to Seamus' suspicions on him, plus saying he doesn't trust Clem and trying to get more town info to come out

He got voted on by Harriet without much reasoning

Then Rip defended Zip as being a confused townie and not scum at all, plus voted for me by just repeating Seamus' thoughts

And finally a brief appearance to tell Minga to make a case against Bock

Overall, I'm not getting a town vibe off of him. And we need a lynch, so I'm going to

Unvote: Zipzop (Sir Stig)

and

Vote: Rip Sewer (Captain Nemo)

I will be around the rest of the day to keep discussing and help achieve a lynch as needed.

[mediumsnowman]

On an unrelated note, both Nathan and Rip have looked at the thread and left without posting or unvoting 4 of 2. Just an observation.

Yet another good reason to lynch Rip today.

[Hinckley]

I mean trying to help the town is such a drag, amirite?

It's a joke!

but your posts are the perfect example of scum hiding in the background, imo.

That's the middle ground theory!

I actually really like the face, actually. Very snide and frustrated and sarcastic and to the point.

The more you play, it'll become and then and then and then, finally but never use because it's patented.

Sorry if you don’t agree, Bock

Joke!

Also hosty, would you mind telling us how much time is left in the day? Pretty please?

It ends 72 hours after the timestamp of the first post. Sheesh.

So, the people I find suspicious are voting for Rip but I was going to vote for Rip but now the people I was leaning Town on are voting for Bock...

Falling from my earlier ego–trip I realize the Scum like that people wait for my vote because I over–think everything and I'm usually connecting dots that don't need connecting and am therefore usually wrong and they probably like that my vote has influence. It's a long way to fall.

I'm still holding my vote until the end.

On an unrelated note, both Nathan and Rip have looked at the thread and left without posting or unvoting 4 of 2. Just an observation.

Paul's been hovering for a bit, too.

[Piratedave84]

Well... I was convinced Hinck was the vig after today ...

unvote: 4 of 2 (mostly)

I really think we need a lynch today, my first choice of not 4 of 2 would have been zip zop but we can't afford a no-lynch so I'll vote for the player with the most current vote in the hopes that Clem's gut feeling is a good one ...

vote: bock (Bob)

[Hinckley]

Unofficial vote tally:

4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 2 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Captain Nemo)

Bock Pathos (Bob): 5 votes (RangeroftheForest, Dragonfire, Lind Whisperer, Sir Stig, PirateDave84)

'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 3 votes (mediumsnowman, Bob, mostlytechnic)

Non-voting: 2 (Hinckley, CallMePie)

Shit, I'm putting myself in the position of deciding the day's outcome.

Well... I was convinced Hinck was the vig after today ...

Eh? Yar bum's oot the window!

[Piratedave84]

Paul's been hovering for a bit, too.

I was reading

Unofficial vote tally:

4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 2 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Captain Nemo)

Bock Pathos (Bob): 5 votes (RangeroftheForest, Dragonfire, Lind Whisperer, Sir Stig, PirateDave84)

'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 3 votes (mediumsnowman, Bob, mostlytechnic)

Non-voting: 2 (Hinckley, CallMePie)

Shit, I'm putting myself in the position of deciding the day's outcome.

Eh? Yar bum's oot the window!

So were several other people ... Well like 3 but still!

[Hinckley]

So were several other people ... Well like 3 but still!

Eh?

The more the Scummiest people claim roles, the more I suspect Nathan.

Nathan, quick, claim something.

[CMP]

I'll Vote: Rip Sewer (Captain Nemo). It seems like more or less everyone (except Bock and Rip, obviously) seem willing to go one way or the other. They both seem to be walking something of a middle road. I've voiced a few concerns about Rip previously (though admittedly mostly in private) and I have no issues with voting for her. If it comes down to it I'll switch my vote to secure a lynch, but I'd rather see Rip go.

At least Bock is better for conversation (I never thought I'd be saying that ). Rip is seriously only ever around to defend herself from what I've seen.

[MagPiesRUs]

Since no PR claims have been contested and since Clem apparently knows if any prs would have died last night, I'm inclined to believe them.

Rip and Bock have both pinged me, but Bock has been making some fairly impassioned posts today, which I usually see as his town tell. I will be back before the end of the day, but for now I will

unvote: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic)

Vote : Rip (captain nemo)

[mostlytechnic]

If my count is right, that now puts Bock and Rip at 5 votes each. Plus Rip still voting for me and Seamus not voting yet. Crap, that means a big risk of Rip showing up and switching to Bock, and Seamus voting Rip, and having a tie. Wonder if the scum like that plan or not...

[Piratedave84]

If my count is right, that now puts Bock and Rip at 5 votes each. Plus Rip still voting for me and Seamus not voting yet. Crap, that means a big risk of Rip showing up and switching to Bock, and Seamus voting Rip, and having a tie. Wonder if the scum like that plan or not...

What about us? Do you not think some townies are against a tie/no lynch?

Generally it's first to the gate so I don't think we can have a no-lynch if 2 players have 7 votes

Well that is if we were 14 ...

And you know what? I have no problem with lunching Rip seeing he contributed even less than me!

Here I'll sway the vote and let someone hammer him:

unvote: bock (Bob)

Vote : Rip (captain nemo)

[Hinckley]

This is certainly giving us some voting to analyze tomorrow...

Unofficial vote tally:

4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 1 vote (Captain Nemo)

Bock Pathos (Bob): 4 votes (RangeroftheForest, Dragonfire, Lind Whisperer, Sir Stig)

'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 6 votes (mediumsnowman, Bob, mostlytechnic, TinyPiesRUs, CallMePie, PirateDave84)

Non-voting: 1 (Hinckley)

So, to secure a lynch today I need to vote with the people I find Scummy against the people leading the Town block. I have a couple of hours to think about this...