Hinckley Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 After all this talking of the dumb code today, after all the suspicions have been thrown around, this is your basis for voting? "One of these three people HAVE to be scum, end of discussion"?? I know scum do like to split their votes a lot, but this just seems...bizarre, particularly in light of all the other suspicions flying around today. Almost like he said on the Scum writeboard, "Hey guys, Scum always spread their votes around. Let's all jump on the same wagon." Didn't someone else try this argument earlier? Who else said "Scum like to spread their votes around"? I'm having deja vu again. All my deja vu revolves around 4 of 2. "And the white knight is talking backwards, And the Red Queen's lost her head"
mostlytechnic Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Look! The roulette wheel hasn't hit red for the last twenty hits! Bet it all on red! If we were playing roulette, you'd have a logical point. But we're not; the behavior of scum is not statistically random. It's people acting in ways they think are logical, so they they'll do similar things over and over. So then yes, betting based on past actions DOES make sense.
Dragonfire Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Okay. There's been a lot said about 4of2 today,. and so Minga decided to do a quick post analysis to see whether he is what he claims to be. Day One. 4of2 made an initial fluff/joke post about claiming to Seamus which Clem took the wrong way, and one thing led to another etc. His second post thanks Minga for calling Clementine out and includes some more fluff. In his third post, he refers to something he said back in Ragnarok 3 to prove his point. In that same post he says this: Now, I was tempted my the remaining shreds of my humanness to use rule 2 to promote you and I both being Federation. However, this dispute has not risen to the required level of viciousness for rule 2 to apply. Personally, if Minga was scum being called out for basically nothing on Day One by a persistent townie, Minga would be very quick to refute the accusations and say something like "We're both town, can't you see? Calm down." Because scum hate attention. Townies, on the other hand, would be more quick to argue and persist in proving their point. Maybe it's just playstyle here, but this is a slight ping. 4of2 is very quick to call both himself and Clem Town and end the discussion. Maybe as he was posting this he realised it might seem scummy and added in the last sentence. Fourth post is more fluff. 4of2 doesn't post again for four pages, over which time Wen makes his scummy comments, and voting opens. Then he checks back in. Bock here was referring to Clementine and her constant yammering. Considering how much Clem has said, yeah, complaining about other people being fluffy seems off. He backs up Bock, and calls Clem out for hypocrisy. While yes, Bock had a point, Minga's not sure whether 4of2 needed to reinforce that point. Seems like he's trying to subtly put suspicion on Clem. Then he says this, in the same post, about Harriet: Pingy....second post and just a bandwagony agreeing with other people's suspicions, AND inflating things. Saying Wen was strongly disagreeing, and pretty blantantly calling him scum. Just feels overplayed to me, but that could easily be noobishness. Again, he has a point, but at this point he's just calling out newbies for being newbies. Once again, the casting of suspicion is subtle, and "toned down" by the dismissal of it as noobishness at the end. Why call her out if you're just gonna say "it could easily be noobishness" This, 1000 times this. Harriet, I know this seems to contradict my last comment, but there's no good reason to hold back suspicions on day 1. The odds that you've actually figured out something enough to become a scum kill target is about zero (there's just not enough info out there yet to ACTUALLY deduce anything) "I need to know if you've figured something out or found scum, Harriet! Please reveal it!" Alternatively, this could be a supporting gesture to a newer teammate. As for my vote, I don't have one yet. I don't actually think that either Wen or clem are scum. Wen may be a bit of a distraction so far, but I've seen it happen on other planets before. He may come back and be a great help to the federation. Lynching him today gains us NO knowledge, since it'd be way too easy for the traitors to vote him without repercussions. And clem is too vocal to be Blacktron. Early distancing from what looks like the two main bandwagons of the day. Considering my view that no scum voted for Clem, this is quite telling. 4of2 was probably worried that most of his teammates had already voted for Wen and he didn't want to put all the scum in one basket (seeing as it screwed him over in Main Street Mafia). Note: at the time of this post, Harriet, Seamus, Bock, Laura (conf. town), Rip and Nathan had already voted for Wen. Guess who Minga's other suspects are? 4of2 votes in his sixth post. But first, he says he thinks Clem (and Wen) are town. Honestly, this is pinging my town-dar for Clem. She's legitimately trying to help the town and not voting for someone she thinks is town, even at the potential cost of her own life. There's still many hours left to decide, so she's got time to continue to persuade people. Similarly, I'm NOT going to be voting for either Clem or Wen today - both are still leaning townie to me. For now, I'm going to Vote: Hannah Ford (Ranger of the Forest) Because she's barely gotten out of bed during all of this. One solitary post, making all the usual noises (I'm busy, I've got suspicions that I'll talk more about later and doesn't ever do it, brief comments on the main characters of the day) but nothing of substance or importance. AKA sliding under the radar... scummo's favorite place to be. Aaaand he places a completely random vote on Hannah for lurking and flying under the radar. Not very helpful at all, and it distances him from the main wagons tomorrow. In his seventh and last post, he responds to Clem's agreement with his point about Hannah: But seriously Clem, even I know my vote on Hannah was a throwaway vote. I was just looking for someone I could justify a vote on since it's mandatory and I don't want to vote for you or Wen. But now I'm pinging a bit with how you jumped all over that weak suspicion... He's very quick to dismiss and distance himself from his vote on Hannah. Maybe he thought Clem would be the likely Day Two lynch and wanted to switch opinions early and rapidly to not make a future vote on Clem look weird? More will follow later when I analyse 4of2's contributions on Day Two.
mostlytechnic Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 After all this talking of the dumb code today, after all the suspicions have been thrown around, this is your basis for voting? "One of these three people HAVE to be scum, end of discussion"?? I know scum do like to split their votes a lot, but this just seems...bizarre, particularly in light of all the other suspicions flying around today. No, I bought up NEW data to support a vote in addition to the previous discussion. I suppose to make you happy I should have quoted the entire rest of the day as support for my vote? And as for my flopping around that you made such a big deal of, isn't that what you'd expect townies to do? We don't know who's scum and town until they're dead. So yeah, I leave my options open like when I said maybe I'd vote Clem, maybe not. Depends on how the rest of the day went. And as discussions occurred, I changed my mind at times.
Captain Nemo Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Why are people not voting?? I thought everyone was just collectively waiting to slowly drive you mad? At least that's what I was doing! And by the latest Alice posts, I think it's working! -- Any who, it is nearing the time to vote (11 hours dropped quickly to 9.5 I might add, that was strange). I would have voted Paul today--who I quite frankly don't know much about. I hear more about Paul from others than from himself, and he was seeming very scummy because of it. But regardless, with him claiming to be a watcher (of some alignment), I cannot vote for him on a whim now. The whole Zipzop stuff is just ridiculous. I understand as much of it as everyone involved does--and that's not much. I don't however, take his horrible code setup to mean he's scummy necessarily. I tend to think that if he was scum--the code would have been somewhat understandable or readable. This situation just screams one confused townie to me--he was helpful but got over is head, and was paranoid about being night killed. Which I could sort of see being the reason for telling so many people--granted six is just too many. At this point, the chances must have been very good one of those contacted is a scum--considering he basically pulled names out of a hat and then gave them important information. Of those contacted, 4 of 2 is the most suspicious in my mind. I also don't care for Seamus, I want that noted. But 4 of 2, like a few people have noted, has just been a bit weird during this whole game--I feel very off about 4 of 2 . It seemed to take very middle-ground on all topics, and seems to avoid any suggestion that it leans one way or the other. However, 4 of 2's votes have been on outsiders, as if to not line itself with the wrong lynch. I do agree with Seamus on the coincidental notion of a Scum Watcher though. Bring that up days before--you'd have to pull that of mafiawiki too, I've never heard nor seen that on EB--and then the issues with Paul's watcher status bringing up the notion of a scum version. It's too coincidental when there's no initial reason to even mention it, or even know about in the first place quite frankly. I could easily see this being the one noticeable slip up for 4 of 2, who was taking all precautions to avoid leaning one way or another. Vote: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic)
Dannylonglegs Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Alright, My Lovelies, another update is at hand! Vote Update: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 4 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Bob, CallmePie, Captain Nemo) Bock Pathos (Bob): 1 vote (RangeroftheForest) 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (mediumsnowman) Zipzop Beetlejuice (Sir Stig): 1 vote (mostlytechnic) Non-voting: 5 (Lind Whisperer, Dragonfire, Piratedave84, Hinckley, Sir Stig) With 12 players, a majority of 7 is required to lynch. You have about 9.25 hours till the day ends. Make it count. Edited September 14, 2015 by Dannylonglegs
Dragonfire Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 What game was that? It was apparently so minor I forgot all about it! Mafia After Dark. You won it as the only living player ] And you know what that shows? The scum never all vote together! If there's more than 1 wagon, they're on both of them. Therefore, I conclude there are scum on the Clem wagon from our day 1. [/b] Yes, the scum never all vote together, great. But you know what, Minga agrees with you! But it turns out most of that was actually just laying out, many, MANY, times, why she thought Clementine's claim was reasonable despite the fact that she was acting very strangely. -snip- And then she states that she's not leaning scum, and then in the very same post says that maybe she'll vote for Clem. What? You don't vote for someone you're leaning town on. This as well. Keeping your options open, indeed? Probably because you don't care who's lynched, as long as it's a townie. Okay, she lays out some reasons to vote for Bock. But it's a wasted vote,.and is quickly unvoted. 4of2 and Bock are looking more and more like scum buddies now... After all this talking of the dumb code today, after all the suspicions have been thrown around, this is your basis for voting? "One of these three people HAVE to be scum, end of discussion"?? I know scum do like to split their votes a lot, but this just seems...bizarre, particularly in light of all the other suspicions flying around today. 4of2 doesn't want to be today's lynch. So he tries to cast suspicion on a floundering newbie, and two members of the Town block. And on top of all this, there's the scum watcher hypothesis. Minga thinks that's more then enough to warrant a vote. Vote: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic) Unvote: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic). Gotta sort some things out behind scenes, sorry for the heel-face-turn unvote
Dannylonglegs Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Oh My! Look at how much this Democratic People's Republic of Tyranny cares about its constituents. Vote Update: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 5 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Bob, CallmePie, Captain Nemo, Dragonfire) Bock Pathos (Bob): 1 vote (RangeroftheForest) 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (mediumsnowman) Zipzop Beetlejuice (Sir Stig): 1 vote (mostlytechnic) Non-voting: 4 (Lind Whisperer, Piratedave84, Hinckley, Sir Stig) With 12 players, a majority of 7 is required to lynch. You have about 9 hours till the day ends. Make it count. Edited September 14, 2015 by Dannylonglegs
Dragonfire Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 5 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Bob, CallmePie, Captain Nemo, Dragonfire) Terribly sorry, but Minga unvoted. In other news, Minga's sorry if this looks like fishing, but it is imperative that those with town power roles who have not claimed to Minga do so now. Otherwise a few scum could be getting away with faking roles. Oh, and just in case Minga doesn't get back in time she's going to Vote: Bock (Bob). Haven't made a case on him yet, but Minga will in due time. Wait, did it wrong. Vote: Bock (Bob).
Dannylonglegs Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Terribly sorry, but Minga unvoted. In other news, Minga's sorry if this looks like fishing, but it is imperative that those with town power roles who have not claimed to Minga do so now. Otherwise a few scum could be getting away with faking roles. As you wish, My Lord. Vote Update: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 4 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Bob, CallmePie, Captain Nemo) Bock Pathos (Bob): 1 vote (RangeroftheForest) 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (mediumsnowman) Zipzop Beetlejuice (Sir Stig): 1 vote (mostlytechnic) Non-voting: 5 (Lind Whisperer, Piratedave84, Hinckley, Sir Stig, Dragonfire) With 12 players, a majority of 7 is required to lynch. You have about 9 hours till the day ends. Make it count. Edited September 14, 2015 by Dannylonglegs
Hinckley Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Agreed, most scum usually scatter all their votes around so they won't be seen voting together. Most of the times they are also middle range voters, not voting early but not voting late early. Claw says it. See? We're still finding him Scummy. OK, but seriously was this the seed that made the Scum decide not be in both bandwagons? I need to check the time of it. I'm not going through all of Day One again, searching for "vote". We use that word a lot. And one talkative player has it in their freaking signature. It's before voting even starts.
Captain Nemo Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Terribly sorry, but Minga unvoted. In other news, Minga's sorry if this looks like fishing, but it is imperative that those with town power roles who have not claimed to Minga do so now. Otherwise a few scum could be getting away with faking roles. Oh, and just in case Minga doesn't get back in time she's going to Vote: Bock (Bob). Haven't made a case on him yet, but Minga will in due time. Wait, did it wrong. Vote: Bock (Bob). If it's that imperative, you better make the case on Bock now. Since that seems to be who you are suggesting is faking a role. Why else would you state there's false claims and then suddenly change votes to Bock?
Dannylonglegs Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 Wait, did it wrong. Vote: Bock (Bob). My Long Legs must have overstepped this... Or perhaps it was My loutish rapid-fire vote counting. Vote Update: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 4 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Bob, CallmePie, Captain Nemo) Bock Pathos (Bob): 2 votes (RangeroftheForest, Dragonfire) 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (mediumsnowman) Zipzop Beetlejuice (Sir Stig): 1 vote (mostlytechnic) Non-voting: 4 (Lind Whisperer, Piratedave84, Hinckley, Sir Stig) With 12 players, a majority of 7 is required to lynch. You have about 9 hours till the day ends. Make it count.
Hinckley Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 If it's that imperative, you better make the case on Bock now. Since that seems to be who you are suggesting is faking a role. Why else would you state there's false claims and then suddenly change votes to Bock? I agree with Scummy Rip. What the Bock is going on?
Piratedave84 Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I'm going to vote for the person whom I feel is the scummiest in the whole code business: vote: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic) I'm very busy today so I'll come back later tonight.
Lind Whisperer Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Yes, Paul claimed Scum Watcher. Are you even reading? *I know he didn't claim Scum Watcher but that's what is highly implicated by 4 of 2 postulating yesterday that the Scum Watcher would target Clem to find the protector...and Paul targeted Clem and found (I assume) the protector! Hello???? Yes you are. I've implicated you with him. You watched Clem and found someone targeting her. 4 of 2 postulated that the Scum Watcher would watch Clem to find the protector. That implicates you two together if you like it or not. You're implicated with him. You are. Implicated. With. 4 of 2. Mmmmm Hmmmmmmm. I see. So you randomly chose Scum Watcher because hosts try new things. Yet at the same time you say you weren't even aware that it would be different from the norm. I'm not saying it's an outlandish role. I'm saying it's an uncanny coincidence that there's never (or rarely) been one on EB and you randomly chose it to postulate what Clem could do with claiming her role. Then the Scummiest player in the game claimed Watcher and did what you said the Scum Watcher would do. It could be a Townie thing on his part...but it's just too specific to be likely.And yes, I've read the conclusions and so forth - but that doesn't mean I memorized every night action that has ever been used. Why would I assume that no scum team has ever had a watcher on EB when I haven't played in every game ever, haven't been scum very often, and it's explicitly normal according to mafiascum? It seems to me like a logical role to give the scum, so therefore something I didn't even think twice about mentioning. If we've had pill games and shape-shifters and so forth, why would me thinking that the scum might have a watcher be so inconceivable to you?It's whether it's inconceivable, it's your referencing a very specific role, and our "just happening" to have a case where that very specific role might be in play.Vote: 4 of 2(mostlytechnic)
Dannylonglegs Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 My Lovelies, I give you another... Vote Update: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 5 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Bob, CallmePie, Captain Nemo, Piratedave84) Bock Pathos (Bob): 2 votes (RangeroftheForest, Dragonfire) 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (mediumsnowman) Zipzop Beetlejuice (Sir Stig): 1 vote (mostlytechnic) Non-voting: 3 (Lind Whisperer, Hinckley, Sir Stig) With 12 players, a majority of 7 is required to lynch. You have about 8.5 hours till the day ends. Make it count.
Lind Whisperer Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 *It's not whether it's inconceivable or not,...
mostlytechnic Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I agree with Scummy Rip. What the Bock is going on? Ooooh, now you're implicated with Rip and Bock - you must all 3 be scumbuddies! Did I do that right?
Dannylonglegs Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 Vote: 4 of 2(mostlytechnic) My, my, my! Lo and behold, we have a ninja in our midst! Vote Update: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic): 6 votes (TinyPiesRUs, Bob, CallmePie, Captain Nemo, Piratedave84, Lind Whisperer) Bock Pathos (Bob): 2 votes (RangeroftheForest, Dragonfire) 'Rip' Sewer (Captain Nemo): 1 vote (mediumsnowman) Zipzop Beetlejuice (Sir Stig): 1 vote (mostlytechnic) Non-voting: 2 (Hinckley, Sir Stig) With 12 players, a majority of 7 is required to lynch. You have about 8.5 hours till the day ends. Make it count.
CMP Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I'm going to vote for the person whom I feel is the scummiest in the whole code business: vote: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic) I'm very busy today so I'll come back later tonight. Way to jump on the wagon.
Hinckley Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Make it count. Stop saying that! You're making me anxious.
Dannylonglegs Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 Stop saying that! You're making me anxious. It's just My loathsome habit of copying and pasting.
Hinckley Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 It's just My loathsome habit of copying and pasting. God complex...
Dannylonglegs Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 God complex... And that's my low level of consistency in regards to proper capitalization.
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