Blacktron Mafia: Day 2, Space Oddity

[Lind Whisperer]

You vote solely on your gut feelings, regardless of whether or not they will be any of use whatsoever in securing a lynch and by extension information we can use tomorrow?

I vote based on who I suspect to be scum. And I don't let myself be bullied into changing my vote simply because "Yay! We get another lynch, and...oopsie! Another townie! Our bad!

But hey, you know that guy that changed his vote at the last minute? We should totally lynch him today, 'cause changing your vote at the last minute is scummy!".

I decide whom most pings me as likely being scum. And then I vote for them.

[mostlytechnic]

Grammar rules and order are to be followed, however a break from them specifically to add emphasis is acceptable, provided breaks are only used for emphasis.

You are correct, Clementine. For that reason, I award you a Cyborgian Good Grammar medal, and I apologize to Seamus for objecting to his awarding of you.

[Hinckley]

I have no patience! Where is Zipzop's Star Wars play??

[Dragonfire]

I have no patience! Where is Zipzop's Star Wars play??

Let Minga guess, it's gonna look like this:

Darth Vader: Zipzup! I'd like to claim my role and alignment to you, if you want to hear it... and even if you don't

Zipzup: Um.... ok

Darth Vader: Zipzup.... I am your father.

Zipzup: Is that even a role?

Darth Vader: Of course! It's a neutral bomb who converts to vigilante on Night Four

[Hinckley]

He left.

[Dannylonglegs]

Vote Update:

8 votes for Claw (theLazychicken): CallmePie, Ranger of the Forest, Hinckley, Tariq j, Captain Nemo, Dragonfire, Fhomess, Mostlytechnic

1 vote for Harriet Stomper (Mediumsnowman): Bob

1 vote for Major Dave (Fhomess): Mediumsnowman

1 vote for Laura Starbucks (Tariq j): Lind Whisperer

Nonvoting: theLazychicken, TinyPiesRUs, Piratedate84, Lady K, Sir Stig

9 votes required to lynch. Day ends in about 6 hours.

Edited September 9, 2015 by Dannylonglegs

[Hinckley]

I PMed Zipzop and asked for him to come tell us his play.

If you don't have time before the end of the day Zipzop, I think it's important you tell the story to someone (names redacted for now, of course) via PM. Tell a couple of people. If someone is making crazy claims or there is a strange game mechanic at play, it's best that we all know about it, ISO.

[Sir Stig]

Okay. Here's Minga's vote analysis (just of the Wen bandwagon for now).

11 votes for Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide) (Mediumsnowman, Hinckley, Tariq, Bob, Captain Nemo, TinyPiesRUs, CallMePie, Fhomess, Piratedave84, Jluck, Ranger of the Forest)

First vote on Wen was Harriet. She had previously been extremely impatient for voting to start and had stated point blank that Dr. Wen was scum. Seamus soon followed, citing Wen's suspicious behaviour as his reason for voting; he had previously expressed his suspicion. Laura and Bock were next; both provided limited reasoning other than "his posts are suspicious". After two votes on Clementine, Rip then followed, in a similar fashion to the previous two votes. After a further two votes on Clementine, Nathan chimes in, pointing out some discrepancies in Wen's posts and using them as a basis for his vote. This is quickly followed by Diamond, who earlier called out Wen's contradictions. Major Dave placed the next vote, using Nathan's points as his basis for voting. And Paul votes as well, once again providing little reasoning or explanation other than "he's scummy". Ender (confirmed town) hammered the lynch. And then Hannah got her vote in, while saying that she wished she didn't have to.

Overall, Minga thinks that the majority of the Wen vote was comprised of bandwagon-y, sheepy votes which just stacked up and spelled Wen's doom. Only Diamond and Nathan actually made good cases against Wen, while Seamus was the first to call him out for his scummy posting. The votes which look the scummiest to Minga are Harriet, Laura, Rip and Paul's votes, simply because of the lack of reasoning and mindless bandwagoning.

I bet if Clementine had defended himself Laura would have said "Ping, you're SO scummy for defending yourself!" And I do think Clementine has a point about Rip, whether it was deflection or not.

The whole Doc Wen case was so strange and the whole day was going in the direction that it was almost inevitable that Doc Wen got lynched because he had become a liability. That Harriet, Seamus, Laura and Bock provided limited reasoning are not strange. How do you even start recounting that days actions? The thing is that Laura and Bock had not been participating much, just briefly surfacing to vote. I agree with Rip that Wen was a liability to the town. That's a valid reason in itself after what went down that day. Nathan points out flaws in Doc Wens voting vs against someone he believed was town. Diamond follows up his own reasoning. Major Dave says his view of lynching to get rid of unhelpful space cadets got stronger because the points Nathan pointed out. Well, as long as others have pointed out reasons that make you suspicious it is nothing wrong with citing others, but repeating which parts you agree with would be helpful. Sometimes others just phrase it better. Paul provided little reasoning himself, except following up with wondering why Clementine did not vote for Wen when it could have saved his own bottoms. Hannah saying she wish she didn't have to had me alerted when she did it, but I think she meant it. The good Doctor Wen had a lot of us worried at the time. But also, distrustful.

I can, contrary to what my shrink says, admit when I am wrong. Your analysis is good, there are only minor discrepansies from what I see now, although at the time I did not.

Okay, here goes the Clementine wagon analysis:

6 votes for Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer): (Chromeknight, Sir Stig, Xenophobic Monoxide, Lazychicken, Lady K, Dragonfire)

After voting opened, Harriet, Seamus, Laura and Bock put down votes on Wen in succession. Clark (confirmed town) was the first to vote for Clem, breaking the pattern. His reasoning was based on Clem's odd comments about Seamus being the godfather. Half an hour later, Zipzup votes, citing Clark's post as his reasoning for the vote. Like Minga, he said that if Wen was scum it was very foul play indeed. After Rip's vote for Wen, Wen himself then votes Clementine. Not much can be gained from this as we know Wen was town and he was basically voting to save himself. About twenty minutes after Wen's vote, Claw votes for Clementine. His reasons are that she is suspecting too many people on Day One. and is trying to spread votes and cause a no lynch (He also agrees with Zipzup on the foul play theory). Then there's quite a long gap. Two more votes on Wen, a couple of people saying they think both lynchees are town, and then Clem's vote on Harriet. Vasquez makes her vote at this point. She cites multiple reasons, including Clem's calling people out for posting fluff, going after newbies, making scummy comments about Seamus being the godfather, and trying to look active and helpful. Three minutes later, Minga votes for Clementine too. Minga was last online before voting opened, and Minga was busy reading the thread and deciding who to vote for when Vasquez voted. Minga didn't see Vasquez's post until she herself had hit post. Minga voted for Clementine because of metagame reasons (read the voting post) and the reasons she had stated earlier in the day. This vote was the last vote on Clementine.

Honestly, in Minga's opinion if there is scum on the wagon, it is probably Claw. Vasquez brought up some solid points against Clementine; Zipzup made a good point advocating Wen's towniness, Clark and Wen have died and flipped town, and Minga knows she is town too. Claw's reasons don't make much sense. Calling four people out on Day One is good - it provides discussion and gets people talking. Besides, did Claw seriously think that Clementine could influence the entire town into spreading their votes? Furthermore, Claw was parroting others' theories. Not that I outright scumread him, but he is the likeliest scum on the Clementine wagon. I must say though, his vote was far townier than half of the Wen votes.

One more thing. Harriet, you were worried about getting killed at night if you posted your scum-list. Well, you didn't die. Care to post your list now? Keeping it hidden doesn't do anyone any good...

Clark votes, I apparently cite Clarks post, but like Minga said that if Wen was scum it was very foul play indeed...

Didn't you cast your vote and echoing my words after me? And I did not cite Clark, although I agreed with what he pointed out. (Nitpicking) This was what I was on the track about. Your fickle ways to hide yourself away from scrutiny.

Ok, let's continue. Wen, well, self preservation. On the day 1 vote I can see Claws reasoning and it would in fact, like someone said that statistics have shown no lynch day 1 often gives more town wins (contrary to the things many have pointed out today about Claw. I will decide and cast my vote after I've done this). It's the wording that worries me. Vasques make good points on the day 1 votes. Then your vote. Why do you emphasize so much that you didn't see Vasques post until you had posted your vote? I do not see the connection to why it would matter? Is there something I am not getting or are you defending something that has not been brought up yet (that you obviously worry about)?

Does Rip think Minga and Claw are in some kind of relationship? Does Rip not know that inter-racial breeding is forbidden among the Fa'Anta Cera, upon pain of exile?? no that's totally not how Minga came to be here

Sad that you noticed that as you wrote, I would have loved to neg you with that. But now you kinda are in exile, so who does a little inter-racial breeding hurt? What happens on LI-420 stays on LI-420.

Paranoid town --> everyone scum-reading and looking into everyone else --> scum being looked into --> more likely to find scum

versus

Overconfident town --> scum flying under the radar ---> scum are not looked into ---> scum win

Everyone playing. Yeeees, then we are on the same note.

Minga did not accuse Zipzup of not contributing, Minga accused Zipzup of asking Minga to do all the work while Zipzup just sat there and didn't bother to do it himself. If Zipzup wanted an analysis on the Clementine votes, why did Zipzup not do it himself? Did Zipzup only ask Minga to do an analysis just so he could accuse Minga and call her fishy? Minga hates being compared to a fish

So people are finally being sensible Good job everyone!

I did do it myself.This is the only time I managed to finish it though. If it smells fish, it's probably fish, until proven female genitalia.... (sorry about that, I could not let it pass).

I thought I had posted a lot, but I realize I have in fact not. I have used a lot of time theorizing, and I don't add things until I think I have found things that are worth pointing out. I'll do it over and over again.

[Sir Stig]

Can you tell us the story omitting all names and clues to the person's identity so we might know what is going on? You strike me as an odd player for someone to be claiming to, no offense.

Surely, I agree with that it is odd to claim to me, since this is my first game and I would likely screw things up. Which I may be doing by blurting this out. It could also be an attempt to play the noobs. Sorry for taking so long, I was going through Mingas post and her voting analysis.

Here it is (with much bravado): The Tale!

In a world gone madde, an actor claims the throne, and wants his make up artist to join the court.

Actor 1: "Hi, I know I look like a black sheep but I have a role in this. I know stuff about the make up artist."

Actor 2 (looks with dismay and suspicion at actor 1) "You lookalikea man. Have I been bothering you and you want me to stop? Why me?"

Actor 1: "You bring up good advices and are good at spotting space worms. We should follow up on those sightings. It may save us from being devoured. Also in this void empty space of the unknown, you seem like the only one I can trust. Do you know any other actors? I would like to get in touch."

Actor 2: "No. I won't."

...

Actor 2: "None shall pass. Keep flattering me though".

Actor 1: "Yeah man I hear you. However I know this one thing about the make up artist".

Actor 2: "If you really are an actor, you should try a modeling agency and audition, and get a health check. They apparently need that every 30 days or sumfin."

The End.

All names are fictional, except Actor 2. That's my middle name.

[Hinckley]

What the hell is a makeup artist?

[TheLazyChicken]

What the hell is a makeup artist?

A role?

[Lind Whisperer]

What the hell is a makeup artist?

I think he's talking about the chap that swapped your clothes with The Confusing Chicken. Or possibly the disgraceful, misogynistic soul that positively drenched me in copious amounts of...fruit bits.

[Hinckley]

And that person is fishing for Power Roles?

[Lind Whisperer]

And that person is fishing for Power Roles?

Hey - clothes swapping is a very influential role. What if scum got a picture of you wearing my unmentionables? Or worse...if they caught me wearing your T-shirt!!!!!!! *oh2* *huh* :laugh: :laugh:

[Bob]

Unvote: Harriet Stomper (mediumsnowman)

We do need to have a lynch today, therefore I'll:

Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken)

I'm still watching Harriet quite closely though. I'm only unvoting her to secure a lynch today.

[TheLazyChicken]

Since I look like dead alien meat I'm going to post my other inside suspicions before I go to the place above.

I suggest taking a closer look at Paul.

You guys sure are a talkative bunch!!

My mind was made a while back and I'll vote: Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide)

I feel bad for voting for the new guy but your behaviour was just so ... Odd ... And scummy ... And, well, odd!

His vote for Dr. Wen yesterday was one of the scummiest ones out there. Only composed of fluff and no evidence to back up his vote except that his behavior was "odd" which isn't a good reason to vote for someone if there isn't any other reason out there.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him jump to the bandwagon for today.

He hasn't contributed either that much so my vote will go towards him:

Vote: Paul Harkonnenn (PirateDave84)

[Sir Stig]

The make up artist also contacted me.

I have to place my vote.

I have a problem with deciding if one or both of them are scum, but both plausible townies, and good as a town block base if confirmed. I am unsure of strategy here, so I will vote for someone I think is scum. I don't have time to write the full reasoning right now (but I will do it if asked), based on many posts it wrote throughout.

Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken).

[Hinckley]

Why would the makeup artist, which you still haven't clarified if it's a role or that prankster we saw, be asking for other roles? The makeup artist has been verified to be outside of the game and just the host letting the players have a wee bit of fun.

When I first read the day thread, I assumed we were being shown the results of a redirector, but that would be a lot of information for everyone to given by the host.

[Lind Whisperer]

When I first read the day thread, I assumed we were being shown the results of a redirector, but that would be a lot of information for everyone to given by the host.

Rule 12, man, there are no clues in the pictures.

[fhomess]

I don't get this at all... people spent so much time telling others not to claim to Seamus that they're all claiming to Zipzop?

Who needs drugs?!?!?!

[Hinckley]

Rule 12, man, there are no clues in the pictures.

Eat me. The pictures show Ender being killed, right? Was that a joke? There aren't clues to affiliations in pictures but the fact that I was told by the host (and clarified to be a joke) that my clothes were switched with another player is more than a picture, so shove your nasty emoticon and your thumb up you bum and out your freaking eye socket!

[Piratedave84]

I apologize for my relative inaction today RL is kicking my megablocks.

I'm going to vote: Seamus(Hinck)

Because there is no way he should have defended Clem like he did ... Unless he knew his affiliation ... Which he almost certainly doesn't ... Or does because he is scum.

[Hinckley]

I apologize for my relative inaction today RL is kicking my megablocks.

I'm going to vote: Seamus(Hinck)

Because there is no way he should have defended Clem like he did ... Unless he knew his affiliation ... Which he almost certainly doesn't ... Or does because he is scum.

Oh......Kay. But ... where?

[Lind Whisperer]

Eat me. The pictures show Ender being killed, right? Was that a joke?

Wait, Ender died? I thought he went off, to live on a farm with other nice space Buggoid monstrosities! :cry_sad: :cry_sad: :cry_sad: :cry_sad:

There aren't clues to affiliations in pictures but the fact that I was told by the host

Told by the host. There's the difference.

(and clarified to be a joke) that my clothes were switched with another player is more than a picture,

Clarification - the clothes switching was just a visual joke, and isn't a role, or it is a role, but it's a joke role?

so shove your nasty emoticon and your thumb up you bum and out your freaking eye socket!

Mommy! The mean man is saying bad words!

I apologize for my relative inaction today RL is kicking my megablocks.

I'm going to vote: Seamus(Hinck)

Because there is no way he should have defended Clem like he did ...

[Citation Needed]

Unless you mean:

Defended:

1, verb., to, after a long debate, eventually grudgingly admit that someone "probably isn't scum," while still maintaining the opinion of their "being totally incompetent" at their revealing their Mafia role.

[Hinckley]

[Citation Needed]

Unless you mean:

Defended:

1, verb., to, after a long debate, eventually grudgingly admit that someone "probably isn't scum," while still maintaining the opinion of their "being totally incompetent" at their revealing their Mafia role.

Or he thinks that my picking apart the reasons he berated you for claiming your role is a defense.

Maybe this?

I disagree with the way Clem has handled her role too, but I think you're making it more dire than it actually is. This is all assuming Clem is on the level, of course. I don't think a backup vig without the Scum having prior knowledge would confuse the hell out of them. I think they'd say "Aw, nuts. A backup." And move on. This may have actually saved the vig's life if they role copped him/her on Night One. Because now they might need to reconfigure their tactics if they know the vig will just be replaced anyway and try to kill a less powerful role if they can figure one out. And the Town now has the information that we have a backup and the Town getting info, which is hard to come by in this game, is a way to strengthen the Town. I don't think everybody should claim publicly. No no no. But the more info we have to go forward on, the more confident we can be as a collective Town. We also know that the second highest vote–getter from yesterday should not be lynched today and we should take the time to let that claim play out and focus on other players' slip–ups. So, while I don't think Clem handled her (claimed) role the best way, I think you should stop berating her when it appears that you are only skimming what has been said anyway.

As someone else was craikin' earlier, Minga's vote analysis is the most substance we've seen all day. He took the time to check what everyone had said before voting started in order to separate those who appeared to put a lot of thought into their vote and those who seemed to just jump on the bandwagon. I wonder where Paul and Laura show up in that analysis, considering their opinion of it is eerily similar. Is the conversation you had about it on the writeboard spilling over into the day thread, Scummy Scummos?

Interesting. Yar looking like the wee hens who never layed away if you know what I mean.

Interesting that with all the accusing I did of Paul today, all he has to contribute is OMGUS...