mostlytechnic Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 By the way, its is the possessive form of it. It's only means "it is". I had to go back a couple of posts to find it, but you're right, I did use the wrong "its". Now I want to vote for myself because that sucks so bad. I am a cyborg grammar nazi; I do not make that sort of error. I even use semi-colons properly.
Dannylonglegs Posted September 9, 2015 Author Posted September 9, 2015 Vote Update: 5 votes for Claw (theLazychicken): CallmePie, Ranger of the Forest, Hinckley, Tariq j, Captain Nemo 1 vote for Harriet Stomper (Mediumsnowman): Bob 1 vote for Major Dave (Fhomess): Mediumsnowman 1 vote for Laura Starbucks (Tariq j): Dragonfire 1 vote for 4 of 2 (Mostlytechnic): Fhomess Nonvoting: theLazychicken, Lind Whisperer, TinyPiesRUs, Piratedate84, Lady K, Sir Stig, Mostlytechnic 9 votes required to lynch. Day ends in about 10 hours.
CMP Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Come on guys, we can't not have a lynch, that won't get us anywhere.
mediumsnowman Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 I could be persuaded to change my vote if it comes down to the wire and we need to get a lynch. For me, I still feel fhomess is more suspicious than Claw, and my vote will stay where it is for the time being.
Dragonfire Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 3. For meta gaming reasons I feel that you're scum, but then I'm also not 100% sure that you are, it's like a 50% of me feels that you're scum but the other 50% feels that you're town. Meta gaming reasons? So you think that Minga is playing like a certain scummy viking that Minga sometimes has dreams about... Don't deny it; like who doesn't have a side space-mistress? Does Rip think Minga and Claw are in some kind of relationship? Does Rip not know that inter-racial breeding is forbidden among the Fa'Anta Cera, upon pain of exile?? no that's totally not how Minga came to be here Well she was buddying up with the "strong", that's what Ender said. OK, so just because Ender is dead and town, you feel that you can just harp his accusations? Wow, man. Wow. Why would it make us more likely to sucessfully catch scum? Paranoid town --> everyone scum-reading and looking into everyone else --> scum being looked into --> more likely to find scum versus Overconfident town --> scum flying under the radar ---> scum are not looked into ---> scum win but the post I wrote disappeared Very convenient You have to read back on what I am replying to, and what that is based on. I was accused of not contributing. I don't think that's fair - snip Minga did not accuse Zipzup of not contributing, Minga accused Zipzup of asking Minga to do all the work while Zipzup just sat there and didn't bother to do it himself. If Zipzup wanted an analysis on the Clementine votes, why did Zipzup not do it himself? Did Zipzup only ask Minga to do an analysis just so he could accuse Minga and call her fishy? Minga hates being compared to a fish And I'm happy to report that it is Day Two and I have not received one single claim. So people are finally being sensible Good job everyone! It feels like you know more about our current situation than a townie ought to know. Minga has been having those dreams again... about a scummy viking dude who was so busy theorising in thread about the scum's activities and was trying so hard to appear active and helpful... that he slipped and accidentally revealed that he knew too much. He was lynched for it. He was totally scum. Minga recognises this same behaviour now. Minga has already expressed her suspicions of the Claw, across this game day and in her vote analysis, and in the interest of getting a lynch today she will: Unvote: Laura Starbucks (Tariq j) and Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken) Laura, I'm still watching you
Hinckley Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Laura, I'm still watching you Yes and Paul, too. Narry of the twa have answered to my point that their argument is incredibly similar and they both are brushing off a vote analysis that incriminates them. They've done a fine job posting about other things and ignoring the point. Paul has yet to even place a vote despite commenting on other things. 4 of 2 has had four hours to read over Claw's posts. Seamus wonders if he has come to a conclusion yet. Dab! Now I'm doing it. It's also odd that Nathan made such excellent points against Claw but hasn't actually cast a vote. Let's look more at Paul, shall we? He's been hovering for quite a while here and not voting: Vote analysis in general are a good way for scum to contribute, Eh? I forgot about the popular "vote analysis gambit" that Scum are always pulling. I think it takes a very intelligent player to fake a vote analysis. Not that Minga isn't intelligent, I don't think Scum generally try it as it's hard to pull of. Vote analysis a Scum tell? Is that really what you are trying to tell us? I'll admit to sheeping the vote. Paul admits to jumping on a bandwagon with no reason to vote for Doctor Wen. Wow. Long may your lum reek.
Sir Stig Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Zipzop Beetlejuice has some interesting views of his own contributions. Here he asks Minga to do an analysis. Here he comments on all the work he has been doing. Proofreading? Logging posts? I look forward to this good info. Because what we saw when asked for clarification is basically a defense from a simple question that Hannah asked him about clarifying a strangely worded post (which I actually understand what he is saying but it's not my place to clarify for him. Well, I understand the part that Hannah says is more confusing. The part she seems to understand has me lost a bit). The post disappears and so apparently does the point he was going to make? I think... But Minga did analyze the Clementine vote. And nitpicking is what you do, you say. I'm not sure I've seen evidence of that. It wreaks of you making it sound like you're working harder than you are to appear helpful. See? More work... Loses spreadsheets and posts. Works hard but has poor organization and potentially some sort of Delete–Key Tourette Synrdrome. And while I highly approve of the word "bonkers" the Admin in me can't help but notice things like font and color closing brackets and a portion of a quote within a quote which makes me think you are practicing your post or editing somewhere else...like some sort of digital vacuum that eats posts and spreadsheets. This is my first time playing with you so maybe this is just your style but it strikes me as a bit bonkers. I forgot to connect some dots. If he's asking for Minga to do work, what is the result of all his own hard work and what kind of information is being compiled in the act of "proofreading and logging posts"? Sounds a wee fishy to this brain-blasted Scotsman! First off: The above is how a post looks when quoting. All the quotes you have from me is gone. I had to copy paste to set things into perspective. I will try to be short on these comments, because Seamus are 1: the man with the most objective approach I've seen so far. 2. because of point 1, the person I have the most problem getting an initial vibe from. Sir Stig, on 07 September 2015 - 09:44 PM, said: That was very interesting read. Could you do the same summary on the Clementine votes? I see a lot of information. Here he asks Minga to do an analysis. I found it very informative and good referance post for me to go through the voting posts, but also I already had suspicions about her, so I wanted to see if she just diverted focus away from herself. She put it forward in a way I felt was not objective and I wanted to look into both her way of seeing the Doc Wen votes. I also wanted a reference to go through the other votes. I am also learning mafia as I go, and want to get the most out of the experience, so seeing how experienced players go about to dig for info is a good source for learning quicker (although with my sceptical eye open. It is always open, so please aim another way, cause I've heard it hurts:P). Sir Stig, on 09 September 2015 - 04:00 AM, said: I've been reading forever. It is getting late, and I keep rereading posts to check facts. I will comment on some I multiquoted, but there is more I am working out, but I have to take some things right now before I lose my trains of thought. Here he comments on all the work he has been doing. Sir Stig, on 09 September 2015 - 04:00 AM, said: I kept an exxelfile logging all the posts until around voting day 1. I lost track trying to get everything that was going on. And I've been going back proofreading and trying to view posts with the mindset (based on their wording). It all takes time, but I am getting good info. Coming back to this one in some of the posts here: Proofreading? Logging posts? I look forward to this good info. Because what we saw when asked for clarification is basically a defense from a simple question that Hannah asked him about clarifying a strangely worded post (which I actually understand what he is saying but it's not my place to clarify for him. Well, I understand the part that Hannah says is more confusing. The part she seems to understand has me lost a bit). Sir Stig, on 09 September 2015 - 04:00 AM, said: but the post I wrote disappeared, and going over it one more time seems alright as to the bandwagoning suspicions, and there are a few suspicious votes. At least for the Dr.Wen votes. The post disappears and so apparently does the point he was going to make? I think... Sir Stig, on 09 September 2015 - 04:00 AM, said: I think it was the Clementine votes that had me wondering as to why there would not be scum there (especially because I have found you smelling a bit fishy, which I have already voiced. But I always double check my facts), and the two separate votes I felt had good enough reasoning at least for a day 1 vote. It was mentioned that it was statistically good odds of a town win with no lynch day 1, and this strengthens the separate votes.Well yeah, but you also a leading compilation of information. I may be nitpicking, but that's what I do. But Minga did analyze the Clementine vote. And nitpicking is what you do, you say. I'm not sure I've seen evidence of that. It wreaks of you making it sound like you're working harder than you are to appear helpful. Sir Stig, on 09 September 2015 - 04:00 AM, said: I use a lot of time reading, rereading, trying to see posts with others view to see if I have missed something, and finding weaknesses. See? More work... Sir Stig, on 09 September 2015 - 04:00 AM, said: I have voiced many concerns, while pointing out why they are concerns, not just pointing the finger to see if they put their hands up. The amount of information is a bit overwhelming though. I lost track on my exxelsheet by voting day 1, just to keep up with things. Loses spreadsheets and posts. Works hard but has poor organization and potentially some sort of Delete–Key Tourette Synrdrome. Sir Stig, on 09 September 2015 - 04:00 AM, said: ... suggest to do the same?! There is some inconsistency here that ticks with me.That is bonkers.[/font][/color] And while I highly approve of the word "bonkers" the Admin in me can't help but notice things like font and color closing brackets and a portion of a quote within a quote which makes me think you are practicing your post or editing somewhere else...like some sort of digital vacuum that eats posts and spreadsheets. This is my first time playing with you so maybe this is just your style but it strikes me as a bit bonkers. I forgot to connect some dots. If he's asking for Minga to do work, what is the result of all his own hard work and what kind of information is being compiled in the act of "proofreading and logging posts"? Sounds a wee fishy to this brain-blasted Scotsman! These are all connected. A point does not become more valid by splitting it up into more parts. There are several reasons which I will explain in order: 1a) I just had to move to the old section of the facility for a while while the bureaucrat quarter is beeing rewiredless (I moved to my girlfriends grandmothers house IRL). The old section was in bad repair, so I had to fix impromptu solutions throughout, and had a leak of space radiation that had to be dealt with (Heavy rain, everything except 1 room on the ground floor is damaged). I have been ripping up the consoles (floors) in my dorm, so the leaks could be fixed and my nose is itching (I have astma and there is mold here from previous leaks). 1b) My whole family suddenly called for a hologram get together (My brothers and a lot of friends came to visit me for a surprise moving in party). This took a lot of my time, and I have had constant distractions after day 1. 2) I am struggling with reprograming after I recieved a memo that our filing system is incompatible with the new colony directive. (Although I have been a member in EB for a while, it is just the perhaps last half year I've been any active, mostly commenting on some awesome builds in the town forum and therefore I am new to this way of using the forum (quotes, etc, which I stated in the sign-ups (I believe)). I have a bad habit of overediting everything I write to make sure it conveys the right message. This is not agreeable with being dead tired. The small reply window at the bottom of the screen makes it hard to keep oriented while at the same time looking for the basis of your string of thought. I am also not an english native speaker, so I have to change the order of words and sentences for them to make sense. 3) Keeping up with the tempo of opinions, while going back an forth on opinions (based on what is beeing written as you speak/write) is making a mess out of everything. 4) I recieved a PM from someone I am highly suspicious of, with bold claims and suggestions that sound to naive(or cunning) to be true. This have had me preoccupied as well. 5) I have looked forward to starting my diplomatic mission on LI-420, to get away from my old life where I mostly read through fiction and cartoons of norse mythology. It is more of a transition than I ever imagined. I shall now provide an in depth analysis of the votes based on Mingas compilation of information, with comments. Please excuse me while I reread, rethinks and stall you further.
Hinckley Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 4) I recieved a PM from someone I am highly suspicious of, with bold claims and suggestions that sound to naive(or cunning) to be true. This have had me preoccupied as well. Intriguing.
Lind Whisperer Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Vote: for Laura Starbucks (Tariq j) For reasons I and Hinckley have already stated.
mostlytechnic Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Agreed - I'd love to get some more info on that, if it's appropriate to share your suspicions with the crowd. And Seamus, I didn't miss your reminder about me checking into Claw's posts. It's been a few hours, but those few hours have been busy with other things. My thoughts are still coming before the end of the day.
Hinckley Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Vote: for Laura Starbucks (Tariq j) For reasons I and Hinckley have already stated. Grammar award of the day! Midwesterners always get this wrong. American midwesterners, not Scottish midwesterners...or midwesterners from the planet Australia...
mostlytechnic Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 What, you think it's wrong to say "hinckley and I have already stated"? That's how I was taught to speak, putting the other person first...
Hinckley Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Agreed - I'd love to get some more info on that, if it's appropriate to share your suspicions with the crowd. And Seamus, I didn't miss your reminder about me checking into Claw's posts. It's been a few hours, but those few hours have been busy with other things. My thoughts are still coming before the end of the day. No life before Mafia! 4) I recieved a PM from someone I am highly suspicious of, with bold claims and suggestions that sound to naive(or cunning) to be true. This have had me preoccupied as well. Can you tell us the story omitting all names and clues to the person's identity so we might know what is going on? You strike me as an odd player for someone to be claiming to, no offense. What, you think it's wrong to say "hinckley and I have already stated"? That's how I was taught to speak, putting the other person first... No! Midwesterners would say "Me and Hinckley". Even they know to capitalize the first letter of someone's name. Besides, my God damn name is Seamus!
Dragonfire Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 I found it very informative and good referance post for me to go through the voting posts, but also I already had suspicions about her, so I wanted to see if she just diverted focus away from herself. Why would Minga need to divert focus away from herself? As a townie, Minga isn't afraid of suspicion, and it's not as if the entire town suspected Minga Only four people, including yourself, have expressed suspicions of Minga so far today, and all four of you are under scrutiny. Let's hypothetically say Minga is scum. The same principle applies. Do you honestly think scum-Minga would be afraid of four people, who are themselves under scrutiny, expressing suspicion of her? Minga's not a newbie, she's not that stupid! Scum only divert focus if a) they're newbies, or b) they're a top suspect and are in danger of being lynched. There is no reason for Minga to divert focus away from herself as either alignment. So your point makes no sense. 4) I recieved a PM from someone I am highly suspicious of, with bold claims and suggestions that sound to naive(or cunning) to be true. Well, Minga definitely hasn't PM'd you, and Minga is not sure whether you've expressed suspicion of anyone else today, so she has no idea who this might be. Vote: for Laura Starbucks (Tariq j) For reasons I and Hinckley have already stated. 1) it's Seamus 2) Maybe you should consider voting for Claw, seeing as currently there are no votes on Laura and her lynch looks unlikely. Don't get Minga wrong, Minga would prefer to lynch Laura than Claw, but a Claw lynch is more realistic at this point - only 3 votes away. Can you tell us the story omitting all names and clues to the person's identity so we might know what is going on? Yeah, how about you present it like a play (hint hint) ?? You could call the person who claimed to you "Darth Vader" and give any other people mentioned in the conversation Star-Warsy nicknames
mostlytechnic Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 No life before Mafia! Can you tell us the story omitting all names and clues to the person's identity so we might know what is going on? You strike me as an odd player for someone to be claiming to, no offense. No! Midwesterners would say "Me and Hinckley". Even they know to capitalize the first letter of someone's name. Besides, my God damn name is Seamus! 1. I've gotten my thoughts on day 1 together; looking at day 2 now. 2. Agreed - I wasn't poking for inappropriate info in my request. I too don't see why anyone would be claiming to a new guy. 3. Correction - SOME midwesterners speak wrongly, as do people of other areas. Midwesterners who paid attention in school would say Hinckley and I - or Seamus and I, as the case may be - and so therefore, you were not correct in praising Clem's grammar. She may have used I, but she still had the order wrong.
Hinckley Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 3. Correction - SOME midwesterners speak wrongly, as do people of other areas. Midwesterners who paid attention in school would say Hinckley and I - or Seamus and I, as the case may be - and so therefore, you were not correct in praising Clem's grammar. She may have used I, but she still had the order wrong. Does the order matter? And most midwesterners will mix it up on both ends. "Me and Hinckley went to the store." "She came to the store with Hinckley and I." Both annoyingly incorrect. Zipzop, I'm a horribly impatient person. Tell us the damn story. Yar always at the coo's tail!
mostlytechnic Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Does the order matter? And most midwesterners will mix it up on both ends. "Me and Hinckley went to the store." "She came to the store with Hinckley and I." Both annoyingly incorrect. According to the teachers I had back in my human days, yes, order matters. I also agree that both errors you provide are horribly annoying. It is good for people (not just midwesterners, since people everywhere do it) that I am a cyborg and not a terminator, or many of them would die.
Lind Whisperer Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 2) Maybe you should consider voting for Claw, seeing as currently there are no votes on Laura and her lynch looks unlikely. Don't get Minga wrong, Minga would prefer to lynch Laura than Claw, but a Claw lynch is more realistic at this point - only 3 votes away.I'm voting for Laura because Claw, to me, seems too disorganized to be a scum - it feels like a second Wen wagon. If she was privy to the mythical scum writeboard, you'd think they'd at least help her somewhat with her story.WIFOM, but that's what it feels like. 3. Correction - SOME midwesterners speak wrongly, as do people of other areas. Midwesterners who paid attention in school would say Hinckley and I - or Seamus and I, as the case may be - and so therefore, you were not correct in praising Clem's grammar. She may have used I, but she still had the order wrong. I specifically put I first in the noun order because of the fact that the vote was based off of my gut feeling, and followed it with Seamus because the feeling had been given additional support by his post, but it was still my internal feelings that were fueling it. According to the teachers I had back in my human days, yes, order matters. I also agree that both errors you provide are horribly annoying. It is good for people (not just midwesterners, since people everywhere do it) that I am a cyborg and not a terminator, or many of them would die. Grammar rules and order are to be followed, however a break from them specifically to add emphasis is acceptable, provided breaks are only used for emphasis.
CMP Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 I'm voting for Laura because Claw, to me, seems too disorganized to be a scum - it feels like a second Wen wagon. If she was privy to the mythical scum writeboard, you'd think they'd at least help her somewhat with her story. But your one vote doesn't mean a thing this late. We've got 7 hours left to get a lynch.
fhomess Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Clawra Megablocks! If you squint real weird, man, Claw and Laura combine into a hazy green monster. I can get behind a lynch of either. Unvote: 4 of 2 (mostlytechnic) Vote: Claw (LazyChicken) Harriet, is there something more behind your suspicions of me other than a relative lack of posts to this point? Me and myself thought it was interesting that Clark was killed after being the first vote on Tangerine yesterday. There were 6 votes for that crazed one, and Clark and Wen were two of them. The other four were Zipzop, Claw, Vasquez, and Minga. Zipzop has the odd PM claim he wants us to know about. Minga has, so far at least, not given me reason to suspect her over the others. Vasquez is middle ground, and Claw is on the chopping block for reasons stated. I think that of those 4, there are at most 2 Blacktron. Claw and Vasquez are the most likely of them, and in that order. As for Laura, she was the 3rd vote yesterday for Wen, and the 4th for Claw today. The vote today came right after Seamus nudged us all into action on Claw. Yesterday's vote was also right after Seamus, although that was right when the voting opened. In both cases, Laura seems to be coming up with her vote based on other's opinions.
Dragonfire Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Me and myself thought it was interesting that Clark was killed after being the first vote on Tangerine yesterday. There were 6 votes for that crazed one, and Clark and Wen were two of them. The other four were Zipzop, Claw, Vasquez, and Minga. Zipzop has the odd PM claim he wants us to know about. Minga has, so far at least, not given me reason to suspect her over the others. Vasquez is middle ground, and Claw is on the chopping block for reasons stated. I think that of those 4, there are at most 2 Blacktron. Claw and Vasquez are the most likely of them, and in that order. Why don't you suspect Zipzup? Is your suspicion of Vasquez solely based on her middle-ground nature?
Lind Whisperer Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 But your one vote doesn't mean a thing this late. We've got 7 hours left to get a lynch. I vote based solely on gut feeling, not because people want to hurry a bandwagon through.
CMP Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 I vote based solely on gut feeling, not because people want to hurry a bandwagon through. You vote solely on your gut feelings, regardless of whether or not they will be any of use whatsoever in securing a lynch and by extension information we can use tomorrow?
fhomess Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Why don't you suspect Zipzup? Is your suspicion of Vasquez solely based on her middle-ground nature? Just my interpretation of Zipzop's approach to his contributions at this point. I don't have any reason beyond that to not suspect him.
mostlytechnic Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Now, the moment you all (or at least Seamus) have been waiting for... my analysis of Claw. Claw spoke 13 times on day 1. They were: Fluff Fluff Fluff A gentle accusation of both Wen and Clem - funny how they became the focus of the day.... almost like Claw was part of a team pushing for them..... Fluff (x4) A vote for Clem, on the basis that Clem's lynch would provide more info than a lynch of a flailing noob. Some explanations to clem about various things. More fluff More fluff A strangely out of place defense of Vasquez to Clem On day 2, Claw has said: Speculation on Minga/Ender, almost like it was expecting discussion of them to take over day 2 the way Wen/Clem did day 1 A massive repeat of all Ender's posts, without really analyzing anything Criticizing Clem for her claim fluff Criticizing Clem again fluff vote analysis fluff fluff Talking about its gut fluff More gut talk fluff a bit of defense of itself, now that votes are building And then 6 more fluff posts rather than any defense or useful talk. Now, I'm not against some fluff. I'm not saying that every single post has to be in-depth research into other players' motivations. But Claw has managed to post a fair bit - actually the 3rd most prolific poster, after Seamus and Clementine - without saying much of anything at all. The only accusations have been of a proven townie and someone strongly suspected of being town. I will grant that I'm looking at Claw right now with particularly hostile eyes, since Claw has many votes and is a likely lynch. Claw's posts have been fluffy and information-less. Its suspicions of Wen/Clem and Minga could be legitimate townie scumhunting, but they also are never followed up on or given any real effort. While there is not a mountain of damning evidence, there's also not anything making me want to deliberately vote elsewhere like I did yesterday. Vote: Claw (TheLazyChicken)
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